Topic: Do You Believe, "Passive Investors Make More Than Active Investors?" (Read 778 times)

I dont quite agree with that type of lifestyle or habits. If you are having time at work you could do something productive and possibly pursue another hobby or a side hustle. Trading is not necessarily a hustle, it might for some and this might work out for them but not everybody.

Many times people are working in some sector but are studying for a higher degree or position and hence for them the rest of the day is pretty much focused on studying, more so if they are single.

Of course no major earning can be obtained through trading but often we can get small chunks and once a while a big chunk of money.

If you are single or doesnt have a family to raise on then i would say that trading is really something that you could really be able to deal up with on which you could really make use of those extra time on something which could bring out that opportunity that you could make money which is way more than potentially on what you are earning now with your current job. The good thing when you are single is that you could really be able to
deal up with things freely and since there's nothing that could bother you then you could have that kind of flexibility when it comes to your time. It is really just that on how you would really be able to make use of it.
Some wont really be that bothering because they arent seeing that future perspective or doesnt have that actual plan on how to deal up with things. They do rather just simply stick into the things
on what they do currently have and doesnt matter about those future endeaours or future building kind of mindset.

I'd also say that passive investors make more money. Because in my experience of being a passive investor, I've made more money than with my trades. It's a real thing that you make more money through passive investing as long as you've been accumulating and adding more to your portfolio. And to become a passive investor, it doesn't mean that you have to be passive at all, you can also be actively adding more and recurring more of your stash like if you're holding Bitcoin.

That is quite true, but if you are single then I do not agree with that statement. If you are single, you could trade anytime you have free time. Think about it, lets say you get out of work at 5 pm, at home at 6pm, and you relax and eat and watch something until 8 pm, you still have like 3-4 hours, either you can watch something or play games or read something basically do whatever you want, OR you could just end up with a trading habit as well.

I would say that trading is much more profitable, or at least has the potential to be. This is why we should be careful about it, and I am guessing that we are not going to get anything major out of it neither. We should consider the possibility that people can't really realize how wonderful it can be.

The word active does not necessarily mean watching every development. In bitcoin new things come once every few years or so. The term is more applicable in the lines of day trading and thus with altcoins>bitcoin.

I never advocate people to do day trading. I feel it ruins your physical and mental health as well as your family commitments. If you have a job, dont even think about it.

On the other hand, passive would mean long term holding, which specifically in the case of bitcoin has shown wonderful results over the years.

I agree with the opinion you say, of course they hold for different time periods so they will also be different in obtaining profits for them and for those who have never been active in trading and investing but they have a dream of being able to make a profit of course they must be able to learn about investment and trading so that they can try investing or trading to realize the profits they dream of.

Those who set long-term targets certainly have a good understanding of the type of assets they hold and they are also very confident about the profits they will get and this is very easy for anyone to do.
However, for those who are active, of course they have to see the development of the assets they hold every day and will take advantage if the assets they have obtained have made a profit.

The income between passive investors and active investors is clearly very different because they basically hold for very different durations to get the profits they want. But I think both can also be very good because they can both get profits even though the amounts are different, because the worst are people who are not at all active in terms of investing and trading in any way but still have dreams of making a profit.

Meanwhile, for passive investors, they usually set long-term targets by not touching the amount of investment they already have except just continuing to increase the amount of investment gradually. And for active investors, they have to be more accustomed to doing many things to balance their time with the profits they seek all the time.

If you ask me that question then I will also say that yes passive investor make more profit then active investor . Passive invested means long term investor or we can say long term holder. Now if we look back to 10 years back then those trader who are holding Bitcoin for 10 years now their current holding fund is like a booms so this is a is example for that passive investor make more from active investor. That doesn't mean that active in the store have lower income but active investor has to do a lot with analysis etc .

The safety net, indeed I encourage members to consolidate the safety of their own job first before investing or trading. With a job successfully at hand their mental state is stable and they can  budget their spending including their investments. Without the job a lot of this is not possible.

Day trading mostly has the max stress and risk associated, which can be avoided by limiting yourself to long term trading only. Bitcoin is built for long term trading in my opinion and altcoins are for day trading except a few of the top 10.

So its not whether one makes better than another, it is also the state they can be healthy and consistent in.

I am a bit cautious when it comes to YouTube videos about profitable day traders. It always feels a bit like the guys are looking more for earning through their videos and advertising than through actual trading. Warren Buffet is one of the old school value investors that believes in longterm growth and will only buy into companies where he gets a decent return on his money. Dividends are a big part of it and he wouldn't engage in any trading. Also Warren Buffet is a completely different position than the average trader. His company is massive and when invested in a company it's going to very big positions that he acquires. It's not going to be one trade that will fill his order and there are also many people that follow his investments and would immediately buy the same position. The same problems he has when getting out of trade, all the other investors would probably want to get out as well. So, day trading is not suitable for Warren Buffet, which doesn't mean it's not working. There are enough traders that make money with it, also long as you don't over trade and accumulate a lot of transaction costs.

Passive Investors do make more money. But they don’t more money from investment. As this is just the side investment, hence they make more money from other sources I would say. It’s good to invest passively. Do a primary job to fulfil the daily demands and pay the bills and passively invest some money on cryptos. A professional trader on the other hand has huge responsibilities. He has to take more risk and stress while trading. Hence for this reason, passive traders make more money.

Yes of course, the CEO of Binance who is currently in court said, you won't be rich if you are not a hodler. yes, that's what I believed until now, and I experienced that. Apart from that, if you are a passive investor, you won't open your cellphone every minute to see price movements of the coin asset you are investing in, lol. Apart from that, especially for me, long term investment saves my mind from the very high crypto volatility, being a long term investment makes us not really care about the volatility.

leave it alone, baby boomers are like that, they criticize, but secretly buy too lol.

In long term investment, we are investing in a coin with proper research about their team and investors. Long term investment gives good profit but it takes time.
In short term investment coin, we are doing day trading for making profit. It is also a good technique for making money. But in this way, we take small profits. But we takes multiple takes to earn good profit.

I can't believe the results will favor passive investors because some traders did a good job and made a huge profit as well. Maybe if we think about safety, that would be investing but the question is which one earns more? We can't point out which one because that also depends on us. Like if choose investing, it means that we know this is what we are good at, and the same thing if we choose trading. Well, taking the two will help us determine which one is more profitable but I don't think it is necessary instead, make it straight to which line we prefer.

Whether it was not the most profitable at least we know we can make it. It was not all about earning a lot but at least, we earn some.

And that is because the understanding each one of those traders have of the markets is different so it is natural that they obtain different results as well, this also explains why those that are trying to rely on the knowledge of other traders or even copy their strategies rarely do well, because the way that trader understands the market is different from their own understanding, and it is really difficult for them to make that adjustment and comprehend all the nuances of a strategy that is not their own.

He is an experienced businessman and probably knows more about specific crafts than most of us, however, that doesn't necessarily mean what he says should apply to every single entity or individual because you can't copy someone else's business or investment strategies and expect to have the same results as them and the results can greatly vary based on several factors and metrics such as investment time, market conditions, understanding of the craft, and much more.

So, the amount of profit one might earn doesn't always depend on the type of investment or the time of it and there are many things one needs to consider before they make their financial decisions. You need to make sure that you understand the investment type that you are choosing to maximize higher profit probabilities.

Trading is not investing and traders are not investors.

Invest means you must proactively invest your money by doing due diligent research. It is what I call as proactively investment. I have no idea what are passive investors and active investors. Maybe you implied about proactive investors as active investors that I can agree with you. But I totally disagree with you on passive investors. You invest and get passive income but you are not passive investor.

Each era will have different people who are considered as icons and legends. Warren Buffet simply does not belong to cryptocurrency and blockchain era.

Yes, this is actually the main issue I want to talk about. Unfortunately, a trader who actively trades cannot know how much profit or loss he/she will make each month until the end of the month because there is no fixed return from actively trading. For this reason, I made a hypothetical example by thinking about possibilities and probabilities. I would like to point out that I completely agree with the example you gave because it is very unlikely that two or more traders will earn exactly the same or similar amounts of profit.

At this point, the following method may be preferred to compare both income methods;

For example, the average annual earnings of a trader with 10 different active income traders and a trader with 10 different passive income traders can be calculated. In this way we can specifically compare the average annual income of active traders whose net earnings are never known and the income of passive traders whose earnings are almost constant. Of course, this will not be a complete generalization because the calculations and comparison will only depend on annual income.

Being a day trader is somewhat a difficult thing to do but if done correctly gives daily profits. No matter how little daily profits are, the good part of it is that it accumulates and become something huge. Day trading as you have said is a skill that needs to be learnt extensively. If you are a successful day trader, you must have had some stories to tell from your newbie days. I am not sure there's a successful trader who had not made some mistakes at one point or the other during their learning period. Unless someone who learnt under serious mentorship.

One thing about day trading is that each and everyone of us must have tried it at a time before giving up. We had all thought it is the easiest and simplest way to be rich in the cryptocurrency industry. I stopped trading for three reasons;

• I am just an average or below average trader
• My emotion fluctuates when I enter a trade
• I do not consider day trading as a passive way of earning as it requires my time and eyes always on screen.

But in all, many people are successful day traders, especially those who came from the background of Forex.

Active trader "may" earn more, or may end up losing more, there is really no way to know and each trade makes different amounts of money. You can gather 100 traders to a room, and ask them how they did in the past six months and you will find that 90%+ of them did quite different from each other, only a few would have similar results. This is why it would make sense if you could end up with something that would benefit you, it should be a lot better to have a return that would not be all that easy.

I hope that we could reach to a point where we could make some good return, and it should not be all that simple for people to say traders make more than holders or make less than them, it's all different person to person in the end.

If I need to comment based on the amount of earnings, I can easily state that the answer will vary depending on the capital of two people who have passive and active income but if I need to comment in terms of percentage, the size of the situation will change. In fact, I can both claim that people with active income earn more and equally claim that people with passive income earn more across different scenarios. For example, let's say there is a house worth 500,000 euros that generates passive rental income. Of course, the rental income of this house will vary depending on the size, location, country, innovation and style of the house but it will not yield more than a few thousand euros per month. If a trader who actively trades earns more than this amount, even with a lower capital, we can easily claim that active income provides more profit. Of course, in this example, it is important to remember that passive income is a guarantee of continuity but active income isn't a guarantee of continuity. In summary, I can state that the answer to this question may vary depending on capital, preferred income method and continuity.

You think all those videos you watch on YouTube are real, well I know that some investors make passive income from their short term investment but you can't use it to compare what long term investors will achieve when their time come, which will be more massive than short term investors. I will advice you to embrace long term trading if you have the knowledge, because is profitable to those that exercise patience with their trading to wait for the right time to come before they can trade to make some reasonable incomes from the market. If you concentrate on this forum very well than YouTube, I believe you will get more impact since you are looking for impart of cryptocurrency trading because there are many experts traders here who can train you to become a potential traders in the future.

basically holding as long as the coin itself got potential its already obvious win if we invest at good price, when it literally dumps to the bottom, even better if it surpass all time low then we are already in the winning position.
thats the thing with holding, we don't lose even if the market dumps if we don't sell, we can jsut continue holding and wait until the price climbs up then thats when we are winning big time.
its that easy but many people are get distracted once they've reached certain price point wanting to sell for some small profit but true holder know to always keep up until it hits all time high.
just like how many people are holding solana when it was at the very bottom and sell it at all time low basically made 10x profit with that alone.
at the end of the day it could also means that passive investors make much more money because they are faithful and also not easily shaken, active investors are usually always watching the chart 24/7.

I agree some others here, "active" is a dubious term that is not really covering everyone. I get that it looks and sounds like it would be, but its not, because not everyone as good at being active as others. SO passive is better. Its really an easy thing, it doesn't really hurt you or do anything to harm you, as long as you can keep it holding then you should be fine and nothing will change. You should just simply end up with something that will benefit you, and that means we are going to end up with something that will benefit everyone if you hold. Obviously its hard emotional when you see it lower but we should not cause concern with those since the bull is right around the corner.

That's right - I'm not like him, meaning I tend to prefer being a passive investor rather than an active trader. It doesn't matter why we are different - it just shows that each user's goals in the market are different. The size of the profits generated from passive investments does not affect my interest in changing plans – but trading is not a bad choice if they are experienced enough.

If a trader can make 2% profit every week - that means they can make 8% profit every month. In a year this trader can make 96% profits from trading - but passive investors may be able to make lower or higher percentage profits than that without spending much time on the market in the same period.

In my opinion, this will depend on each individual's ability to optimize all opportunities for passive investment or active trading). And this is also most likely related to how much assets you hold for the long term. Because, however, when we only have assets with a fairly small amount, when we decide to invest in the long term, we should be able to calculate the size of the increase. which we will get from our capital funds later. So this will make us understand whether it is worth it or not. And this also depends on our opportunity and ability to survive.

Apart from that, if capital is too small or not large enough, some people also prefer to choose active investors or in this case carry out large investments in spot or other trading. Indeed, some people actually have the ability to get extra profits from this trading activity, as long as they are willing to continue learning and working hard. It won't be easy, believe me, trading is very risky and not easy. So it really takes more seriousness and understanding to get results that meet expectations. If not, then it is impossible to be successful.

Just need to adjust which one is more suitable to apply. Day trading may look easy, but it can't be done by those who don't understand market analysis and reading. I prefer to make short or long term investments for potential coins or become a Holder of Bitcoin because it will be profitable in the future. Becoming a trader is not easy, it requires fairly good trading knowledge and mastering all kinds of tools and indicators that will be used. traders not only sell and buy, but there will be strict analysis carried out.

I believe that passive investors can make more money in some circumstances. For instance, a passive earner might have the opportunity to earn from 5 different sources since they are not spare heading anyone. This will not be possible for an active investor to multi task and still maintain efficiency. This is where I rate passive investment over an active investment. Anyone who can earn passively from upto 3 sources should be somewhat comfortable.

I think you are just contracting the whole thing
There's trading;
There's short term investment;
There's long term investment.

• Someone who takes advantage of the daily price fluctuations to make money is a day trader 
• Someone who buys a coin and in the next month or 2 observes that the coin has given 12% and decided to sell is a short term investor
• Someone who bought a coin and hold for 6months and above to 2, 3, 5yrs is a long term investor 

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If there's something I'm missing, please let me know.

When we say investment, it's not only limited to money but also time, effort and etc... that you put in. Doesn't matter if you are passive or active investor but as long as you do those, your earnings are going to be high. Your cousin is lucky. I don't think it can be achieved on a normal investment but he might have invested on a ponzi, shitcoin, or something? He need to be wise though if it's his first time.

Since, the money can be returned and we can even lose more if we will let our greed to control us. Investments are usually passive but maybe the active ones is when use a DCA strategy for example and we buy per week or shorter periods of time. 

Not every member of the forum, in contrast to you, can stay away from trading. There are especially many such traders among beginners who want to earn a lot in a short time. Such traders cannot remain without a deal and if there are free funds in their wallet, they will definitely use them to open new orders.

It would be better to choose between passive investment and active investment which can also be done together, considering that passive investment does not seem to require thought and activities that take up time and energy. Indeed, both have different levels of risk, but as long as we can manage it, the risk seems to be a friend that we can minimize. What is certain is that we here don't just imagine that this is a place where it's easy and fast to get money

Warren Buffet is a boomer after all. I don't think how he became successful would work at this time now.. or it might work but it's gonna take decades like how he did.
so if you want some quick success then go with passive investment. or if you have enough patience then go with Active investments.
Both have their risks so be careful about that.

They show people what they are favorite to watch. Profit, massive profit, they shown in in their videos but it is similar to gambling. The bottom line is what is your net result, not short term result after some trades or some bets. In fact, with some trades or bets, profit can be gained but in long run, it's hard to achieve positive net-result.

Youtubers simply don't show their long history of trading or gambling, only a snapshot to show they get profit.

He is too old to adapt to new technology and evolution but he is smart and experienced to stay away from what he thinks too risky. With very huge capital managed by Berkshire Hathaway, he does not need to chase for high ROIs like small investors who are finding life-changing investment assets.

Most of the youtube videos you watches out there doesn't have any quality to show that they are really making cool cash via day trading, you think day trading is that easily and so cheap as you may have think?

Well, if you must know YouTube influencers are the worst sets of people who lure beginners to feels like trading is so common without the knowledge to know that before one must involved himself into trading he must first go for knowledge and that doesn't just come with immediate effects after joining someone who knows more about it.

Boiling down to Warren Buffet, I don't know how knowledgeable he is towards bitcoin but I understood from him is that the volatility of Bitcoin doesn't allow him to freely have the final decision to invest in bitcoin since he thought that his investment could worth zero or even lose about 50 percent of his investment.

To me I know he knowledgeable hence should understand the principle and mechanism behind bitcoin.

It's mixing things, you can't generalize, you even mention WB, so, like comparing a billionaire investor with someone who invests Thousands of dollars.

A trader needs money to eat, pay a bills, so, they invest " $1000" and puts it to production, they cannot expect "$1000" to become 2x,3x, etc., ah!  what period of time: 1 week, 1 month, 1 year. So it does both.

When it comes to cryptocurrency, passive investors will definitely make more money than an active investor. This is because there is a high tendency that traders will run at loss during their trading period. Also it is doesn't give you that rest of man when trading compare to a hodler, who just kept his bitcoin in his wallet and wait for a very long period of time before he will think of taking profit. The most benefiting side for a passive investor is the compounding profit that his bitcoin portfolio will generate for him, because from bitcoin price history, it shows that bitcoin price keeps increasing with timeline. I prefer to be a hodler, because your money is working for you all you need is to be patient with your long term investment. Traders stress themselves out reading charts, following signals, which will not still save them from acquiring losses.

Passive investing gives me more profit than active trading...My experience tells me something I was not good at trading but rather be good at investing. However, this never means that even if we are a passive investor but didn't make it the right way, it is not profitable anymore. Maybe my experience is the same as others and can be the opposite as well.

Whether it is right or wrong, the one that can answer this is ourselves. We can assess ourselves where are good at because some people showcase more impressive trading results than investing. Because I already know where I can make more money.

It is indeed that passive investing offers a lesser stress but make sure you are investing on a blue chips stocks or with the top coins and make sure to still monitor it so you can know if there's a big movement on your holdings especially if its a negative news. There's a theory saying that passive investing makes more money as they are preserving their money and not spending that much on the fees, also the active investors/traders are losing money actively and that's the risk they are willing to take for actively trading in the market. Both can actually be profitable, its just a matter of time and your strategy as well.

Day trading is risky, I am not sure there's anyone who always makes a profit with day trading. People win & lose money so it can be very stressful in the long run. And there are no guarantees that you will end up with some profit, I experienced that when I thought I could day-trade. I made a profit here and there, but I had too many losses and bad calls, so day trading is not for me and I realized that not everyone can do it.


I guess it's what passive investing is. You choose what you think it's good and you just hodl no matter what! In the end, it can pay off big time if you choose the right project to invest in. And Bitcoin is for sure one of the best-performing assets. I had more luck and I made more profit with some of my long-term investments.

Everyone has their own thinking and everyone wants to make their own analysis, whether they are businessmen, whether they are service professionals, but they make their own analysis of what Bitcoin is and Future besides what is the role of cryptocurrency but in my opinion cryptocurrency is not gambling I often see that it is both loss and gain. Even if you open a business, a real business that exists, you will still have to face both the benefits and the losses take example if person open a petrol pump as a business he take petrol in the price of 1 dollar per liter and the government decrease the price of petrol per liter .90 dollars then what will your situation in this case. You will have to bear the loss because this is the decision of the government.

Similarly, if you buy bitcoin at high prices and there is bad news, which is against bitcoin, it is obvious that Bitcoin price will dump if you are patient, you will get its reward, if you are not patient, you will have to come out of it and sell it, so we cannot say that bitcoin or crypto currency is gambling. The both profit and loss are available in crypto currency. But make sure to wait long can make your future in crypto currency.

If we are talking about generalities, yes. I understand that some traders can make a lot of money but the percentage of them is very low. On the other hand, passive investors, who buy good financial assets and hold them for a long time, make a huge percentage of their money. And the longer they hold, the more they earn. Somewhere I heard that the most profitable portfolios in the USA belonged to people who had died and for many years their heirs did not know that the deceased had this portfolio. Simply by compounding interest over many years, the profitability ends up rising exponentially.

How much money you can earn depends on your investment. If you invest a large amount of Bitcoin and are successful enough to invest, your earnings will increase. Usually the amount of money I earn will depend on my investments. You can earn as much as you succeed in investing. A cousin of mine became an overnight owner of a lot of money when he caught on to passive investing. But I have not done passive investing. I think passive investors are much less stressful than active investors. If we want to be stress free then of course we can invest passively.

Day trading can give you more profits compared to only holding your investment for the long term but there are always more risks for you to face on day trading. More profit will always be tempting but if you don't have good analysis you will make your hard work money become lost in vain. Warren Buffet already missed the train so no wonder he will be against to Bitcoin,  those who can't accept the development of the world will only complain that new technology is a scam, gambling, useless invention, etc. 

First and foremost, let us distinguish between "active investors" and "passive investors." It is possible that others will believe they are interchangeable when they are not; let us investigate.

Active investors can invest in individual equities as well as commodities. Even in terms of investment strategy, they are actively researching. Passive investors can focus less on purchasing and selling. And they always entail reduced risk due to what is known as diversity.

Reference: https://www.investopedia.com/news/active-vs-passive-investing

I really believe that passive investors make more profits than active investors, passive investors tend to evaluate more details about the project they are going to invest in, look for lots of information about the project, understand the product, vision and mission, they read more seriously, if they are worth it, they will invest their money, while active investors are more towards trading who often look at indicators and concise information

This means the level of difficulty to become a trader is way higher, and this must be taken into account by anyone that wants to earn money this way, after all becoming an investor is relatively easy and as long as you pick a good asset and you can hold it for a very long time you will do well, but traders need to do way more than that to obtain profits, and if they are incapable of doing them correctly they will waste both their time and their money.

The point is that, when you buy and hold then everyone will profit, it doesn't really separate good or bad because we all do the same thing, it doesn't really give people any different result at all. However, if we are talking about trading then the result is not the same, there are good traders and there are bad traders and depending on which one you are, you will either make some money or won't make any money.

Obviously we are going to end up with holding bitcoin for a greater return, and that should be the most important thing, it will give you some good return and will make sure that you make a profit. I am not really after higher than that, because it would mean I would have to put a lot more at risk if I want to make that kind of money.

Buffet is just one of the oldest investor that dominate stock and feel like he can say anything he like but he doesn't know that he knows nothing about bitcoin. This men control most of the stock markets and because they didn't have the opportunity to hold Bitcoin the way they control other stock, they think they can trash Bitcoin the way they like but Bitcoin creators know of their existence and didn't give them that chance and that's why they are quick pain anytime Bitcoin is making progress.

He might be right about not making good money in short term investment but you can't compare his world of stock to Bitcoin. In crypto, 4 years is like 10 years in another investment. If you can use your time well with Bitcoin, under this 4 years of bitcoin cycle, you can make what will take stock 10 years to profit and if you chose good altcoins, you will can get more than that amount under what he described as 4 years.

The next time he want to look for a topic of discussion about bitcoin, he should do away with this intrinsic cap he repeat all the time. If he doesn't know what bitcoin stand for by now, he can move to another thing to talk on Podcast, it mustn't be about Bitcoin all the time.

Not all but the majority who choose trading fails than those who just buy, hold, and sell (common investor). Yes, if we compare the results, investing is quite true to profit realization than trading. Aside from that investing doesn't give you pressure, as long as you choose profitable coins, you never feel any worries of it dumps or dying. Unlike trading, stressful and risky which is sometimes we can't sleep well thinking about the mistakes and losses we made.

Well, it is an individual choice in where we think it suits us. Whether it is trading or just simply investing, it still incurs losses if mismanaged.

This is the most simple yet correct explanation on the subject matter. Just additional thoughts since you didn’t mention it. Paper loss is usually being neglected by newbie traders yet it’s the most crucial part on trading that makes holders better than active trader in terms of profit.

Crypto is too much volatile so there’s a high chance that a trade will go south with this unprecedented volatile market. This makes trading will give you more lose in case the market is always against your position while on the other hand holders will just experience paper loss that soon will be negligible once the price recovers and turns to profit.

Somehow he is right since the profit you can only get for short trading is low and there's a chance that you provably lose all your capital in single trade if you miscalculate your move. That's why its really good to make your investment as passive especially if you invest it in bitcoin since this coin is known to get a big pump when long years past. So those investors doing a hodl would surely get a lot of benefits from that movement if that scenario will came.

We can always see that base on bitcoin movement for past years that's why many people believe that is to hodl is more better choice and people don't need to get thru a lot of stress before they can earn since by holding their bitcoin they can earn from it if certain like bull run event will come.

You will find many videos on YouTube that can really impress you but that doesn't mean they are the real picture because it could be that the person making the video has another agenda such as looking for referrals or people who want to join their channel which is about signals and will slowly start paying for it get the signal.

Because he is a very successful investor, his words can be trusted because he has proven it, whereas what he says about Bitcoin is something else and it is up to us to agree or disagree because everyone has different experiences with Bitcoin.
And based on my experience as an investor, it will indeed be more profitable than trading and you can also check that people who bought Bitcoin a decade ago and are still holding it are currently enjoying profits, maybe they will also still make a profit if they trade it every day but the amount may not be the same because daily trading sometimes puts traders under pressure to always make quick profits which makes them take wrong actions and end up in loss.

Depending on each individual's strategy, whether short term or long term, we cannot make it general for everyone. Each has different strategies and applications, even Warren Buffet and Michael J Saylor have different views regarding Bitcoin.

In fact, the right strategy can make someone rich faster even with not too much money. Until now and perhaps beyond, investors who continue to actively monitor the market and trade VS passive investors who might be called HODLER, each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Just adjust it to your type.

Maybe he is rich because he is a YouTuber ...he has created content that is so interesting that someone is interested in seeing it. Don't focus on how interesting the content is, but pay attention to the content of the content being delivered. In the current era, more and more video editors have succeeded in making ordinary things visually extraordinarily attractive.

They are quite impressive and compelling indeed but not all of them are real, many are manipulated to attract people to trade.
Have these people become rich already because of trading?
They can be both profitable passive and active investors because they have their strategies as well. But for some instances, passive investment gives more yet, it will take a longer time to wait before we can harvest rewards like Real Estate where it takes years to develop.

Well, we could also consider the passion of the investor and the way they manage their investments. They can be long-term or short-term but what matters the most is choosing the right investment even in the crypto space - Bitcoin or altcoins.

im quite active in trading i think i have made plenty this few days alone and I think this statement kinda holds truth, i've missed several opportunities of getting that massive 3-4x gain just because i traded actively i remember i traded sui and sei at really low price and right now it has made 2-3 of its prices back then when we are still early in bullrun though i've made good profit out of it but certainly if i were passive investors i would have gained much more profit in the long run, indeed the saying holder always win at the end are sometime just true despite might sound ridiculous i mean to be real holder in the first place we need to be faithful and small amount of distrust toward the coin already cause us panic selling.
i think its best to be both passive and active investors to be honest, to not miss out any opportunity.

Warren buffet is accustomed to business and investment with unusual capital, and now he judges bitcoin to have no instrinsic value or thinks it is just a hoax or other dirty words. But if he wants to try bitcoin more often he should know that bitcoin can provide opportunities for both new investors. How not, bitcoin can even with 5-10$ can trade daily and can also start investment trading as easily as in the hand in hodl.

Many still think that when the rich question, how can a person from a weak economic background become an investor with enough money to support his or her life outside of large savings. And it's not just warren, it's their right even though they have a view because they don't feel the convenience in bitcoin. I don't care about these people, they are busy branding themselves. Whereas bitcoin is qualified finance and everyone can invest whenever and however much they want, even with the few sats they get over time it can become savings.

There should be no doubt that passive investors earn more profit than those who actively trade. In any case, they did not lose their money, like most who, without the necessary knowledge and experience, tried to trade, but simply lost their money as a result. So, getting a profit from day trading fate is not for many.

The aim of some of the creators of those videos is for them to make money from your views and not to really pass knowledge or share their secrets, and also some of their methods are either not applicable somehow, or more theoretical than practical.
what do you think, do you think he will always be right because he is a billionaire with a big name? that he can never be wrong about bitcoins?. If you think he cannot be wrong, I am sorry to say but you are not far from being a potato that cannot have thoughts on their own.

My opinion is that both investors can do well in their own positions, if they have enough knowledge of what they are actually doing. Many people make big profits from day trading. If you are influenced by their videos and jump into day trading without any trading experience, then you will not be able to survive in this market.

Passive investment can give an investor a huge return that even that investor does not expect, but investing in the right place at the right time also becomes important and this also requires considerable knowledge. And those who have invested in Bitcoin for the long term have seen huge returns that few retail investors have been able to sustain for so long. But passive investors know very well how the market works, and because they have enough money, they wait patiently for their desired target to be achieved. And day traders take trades from one to another throughout the day so that they are under a lot of stress. So in my opinion, if you can be an expert, you can get good results everywhere.

Warren Buffet always took his stance against bitcoin because as per his understanding Bitcoin has no intrinsic value.

But let's talk about the context, in theory, a day trader can make any amount as profit, let's say one can double his capital in just one or two trades but how long it is possible to maintain the streak not more than once more often that means day trading is highly profitable but at the same time you can lose the capital in no time too that makes day trading to be less profitable in the net value in long term.

While HODLers, simply buy bitcoin and do nothing but still in a cycle we can at least expect 2x profits.

There are.

Most of the experience you'll hear will always be tandemed with negative experience like the stories of failures and losses.

You can navigate to this section and you will see a lot of trading discussions and from there, you'll see almost everyone sharing their trading expeirence. So, all you have to do is to look to the other threads.

Don't be taken in completely by what those YouTube traders say. Most of them are just good hype men, nothing more. If you've to follow any of them to monitor what they do, follow those who teach their strategies and not those who display supposed piles of cash they say they make. A good number of those YouTubers trade on demo and that's the result they display to unsuspecting public. They open two trading positions and pick the one that's favourable to deceive noob traders.

As for passive investments being more profitable than active investments? I don't think so. It's like leaving your money in a fixed deposit in a bank vs withdrawing that cash and using it for your day to day business transactions. Of course, the one in a bank won't yield much. And if you think it's safe leaving it in the bank, you kid yourself. Anything can happen there too. Bank can go bankrupt.

Probably. Some works with other people who just keep buying and holding and visiting their portfolio afterwards and cant believe on what they earned is totally huge and big profits. Day trader is hard as you need to monitor your potential profit or worse loss. Its not comparable since some orefer trading than investing. Maybe medium term users can make their comparison I mean also uses day trading plus also have bags.

Are there any active traders among the people reading this topic? It is very interesting whether it is possible to really make money on this, or if there is a negative experience. They write a lot of things here, but no one shares their trading experience.

In my opinion passive investors make more profit but it doesn't come so easy especially when dealing with crypto, the choice of the investor matters a lot and with the right choice knowing when to buy and knowning the coin will definitely bring profit, the reason why I said it depends if the investor will make profit or not cause they're a lot of passive investors who still don't know the right strategy find it hard to make profit.
I believe active investors are always smart in nature cause it's difficult to get involved in buying and selling of crypto that's highly volatility in nature, just know the kind of coin you're dealing with.

By just watching YouTube videos, trading is an easy activity and can make a lot of money.  But in reality, trading is a very dangerous activity for beginners.  Trading requires people who are truly mentally prepared to act.  Trading is not so easy like in video, it really requires a high commitment to learning and trying.  but it not have possibility to trying it.  you may be now are a beginner, and all traders are beginners at some times.  time and jurney are make the people what they are today and someday in the future. May be you can create a demo account for learning and practicing what you see on youtube.

That's possible but they're always like in a battle and they need to be active and make within their timeframes. Whilst the passive investors, there's effortless and yet profit is coming in to them.

Definitely we'd choose to be passive investors and let our money work for us, that's how it goes but going on that point will also take a lot of effort, money and sacrifices.

So I think, it's like becoming an active investor first and then going to being passive.

Traders can in theory make more money than investors, because if their strategy is effective then they can outperform the market and obtain more profits this way, something that is not possible for investors which can only take what the market gives them, however as you may imagine very few traders can achieve this, and even if there are many profitable traders they cannot beat the markets, so with all things considered your average investor should do better than your average trader.

When we do speak about those those typical billionaires who do become that rich because of those traditional investment and other traditional markets too then it wouldnt really be shocking that they would really be always loving on targeting and discriminating or making those negative insights towards Bitcoin but we do know that some of those bearish or critics are really that secretly buying Bitcoin behind those curtains and behind with those negative words on which do know that this is something that we must really be that wise and really that wary on how these big players do really tend to manipulate or decieving people or the community
just for them to have those kind of advantages.

Speaking about passive or active or short term invest, it doesnt really matter much because if you are someone whose really that making money
on whatever method or things you are involving with, then better stick to it rather than on forcing yourself on doing things which you arent even sure on how to do it.
So better stick on your own method and ways.

I can't really say if this is true or not since I do not have a data that backs this up, and whatever anyone can provide, I am not sure if they have ALL the data. But, to be fair I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, passive investors just waits, and eventually crypto goes up, so we make money, whereas traders could make more than us, but could also make less than us.

In a situation, where I buy at 20k and sell at 60k, I made 40k dollars, but that's about it, even if I hold and it gets back to 60k, I still have only 40k profit. Whereas, trader is not the same, they can buy at 20k and sell at 60k and then buy 3 at 20k this time and sell at 60k again and have 180k instead, so they did 9x profit while I made 3x, and yet they may also buy at 60k and sell at 20k and lose two thirds of their money too. It is all possible.

Passive investors make more because they leave it for long term and in last decade Bitcoin has been in favour of long term while the active investors/traders they look for quick profit and end up with lesser profit as they cash out when the market seems to be crashing but long term/passive investors don't bother and image a day trader's profit since 2018 till now we will see long term investors will be in better situation with more profit. But this doesn't mean active traders don't ear they do earn and sometimes even more than long term or passive investors but they put all their investments into trading and don't know to preserve the profits.

I don't know Warren Buffet very well, nor know him personally, and even not a big fan of what he says, so why would I care about his statements, In crypto you have to trust yourself and your guts, and never take other's statements as for sure, he really says BTC is a gambling token that's would be due to many of the reasons, and one is Buffet's have his own question paper to solve with some helps. Meaning, that he has his own life with the opportunities and sources that many don't have.

So, people who don't have the facilities, and pleasures of what Warren Buffet has, they should not care about him, they should only make there own minds, and if your mind or heart is telling you that BTC has some potential then you should go for it. If I have to say something on this then I will say we can't become rich in short-term investing, even if I don't consider it an investment in the first place.

Because investment and trading are two aspects of using money to make a profit, one in which you are looking for day-to-day profits is known as trading, and one that makes you profit or loss year to year known as Investment. So, before investing or making your mind that you can make hell lot of money in one day or in one week, then I have to say, Buffet is right in this context as you will be gambling, but if you are taking precautions, and moving with analysis and knowledge then it is not gambling.

Yes if he's not a trader, no if he's a trader, how can someone claimed if he's a trader when he not making money by trading?

If you want to discuss about Bitcoin, you need to take off Warren Buffet's opinions because he will always criticize Bitcoin regardless any improvement and acceptance towards Bitcoin.

What the difference between a passive investor and an active investor - OP should get this straight in their head.

As per investopedia's explanation, I do not see the use of Fund managers in bitcoin investments, so keeping that aside, a passive investor aka a long term holder invests for the long term and that is the safer approach in this sector, the other being active investor where short term trading is the main thing.

So lets just boil down to long term and short term - simpler less ambiguous terms. Let people say what they want, when it comes to crypto, from my experience long term is the king. Short term losses are way more and the market is indeed unpredictable during volatile times, like the current ETF situation.

I advise you to be careful of what you see online, they might look near-perfect but they are not in reality. Even those who are pretending to trade at best are not actually trading at best but are just merely trying their luck in the market, while most of them are losing in real life. But what they do is to capture the best moments in trading, it could take them a month or months to achieve it, but when it is achieved, they will be displaying it online as if that is how they regularly trade and win but are just cajoling you guys. So, be very careful.

And yes, Warren Buffet might not be entirely right as some short-term earners through their short-term trading activities are in the market, but the shorter the trading time, the riskier it is. This is what I believe that Warren Buffet is referring to. He forgot that he has big money which will encourage long-term trading, patience and effective management. But many others don't, which is why they resolve into the riskier option for more and almost immediate earnings.

Again, he is right in a way but not entirely. As an investor of the old ways, he believes that an asset or shares must be attached to something, but Bitcoin failed that if we are sincere, there is no extrinsic value for it. Nonetheless, people's money is enough to make Bitcoin valuable which he fails to acknowledge.

You are comparing 2 different people.

The first one is those influencers that you are watching on YouTube. Of course they will only tell you the most impressive ones that they have, but they will not tell you the struggles that they faced because that would cause them many subscribers. They are only showing the positive so people like you will get attracted, subscribe on their channel and follow them. You see their videos impressive and compelling? I see them as a trap. Trap to lure those newbies like you to follow them.

The other one is an established investor who is investing decades ago already. Warren Buffet is a known long-term investor, and I still can't forget the time when he bought Coca-cola decades ago, and fast forward to now, the amount of capital that he used to buy the shares of that company is now the amount of dividends that he's getting annually. I mean just imagine how convenient that is. Since he's a known long-term investor, of course he will say negative things about short-term investing, but it's true.

BTC has no intrinsic value? Cryptocurrency is just gambling? Well he can just say what they want to say about crypto. He's a well-known investor, so huge respect to him. After all, I always watch his videos, and follow his advices except for anything that's related to crypto.

This is all true, but the main problem for the investor arises with the choice of such a project, which later in years will bring profit, not losses. And as practice shows, not only Bitcoin brought investors a big profit, but also other altcoins. But still, this is only a small part of the large number of coins that are present on the market.

I believe that passive investors have more income than active investors, passive investors generally already have enough money so that the money they invest will work automatically for themselves, let's say a passive investor joins a project, say aptos, we see how much profit he gets just by joining the private sale of Aptos, while active investors will choose projects that run quickly, such as participating in public sale projects, in terms of price and capital, they are very different

Buffet comment is correct because day trading exposed you to more risk even though you have a chance to earn more. The profit on day trading is just a chance and not guaranteed while we human that is prone to human error so the chances are we will frequently lose than win.

That’s why long term holding is beneficial because you are not exposed on realized loss since you never sold your holdings. Your investment will be as is in quantity of stocks or token no matter what is the price which will give more income once the price pump unlike day trading which you will ended up in less in case you trade wrong.

My understanding is that both investors act and have different goals, clearly when it comes to income generating different values ​​in trading/buying and selling crypto assets, Both tend to have different understandings, of course income regarding the opinions of passive investors and active investors cannot be the same.

Talking about excess assets in trading is certain, passive investors are smaller than active investors, for the reasons: [1] They are often passive in the long term, This depends on price movements in a certain time, for example what we often see in Bitcoin, they only produce once when the ATH occurs in a certain amount, and even then if the Bitcoin price can reach as desired, otherwise the risk of big profits disappears.
[2] The reason for active investors is that this can be said to make multiple profits, rather than being passive, for example: currently you have 3 Bitcoins to trade, of course Bitcoin movement can occur in one week 2-3 times the base price.
For example: you buy Bitcoin at a price of $40k in the next few days, it rises to $45k, of course you will have pocketed a profit of $15k/week, keep doing it like that and monitor the price of Bitcoin every day, if the price movement happens in one month 4 times the price changes of course 4X15=$60 k, it's already in the bagyou, times one year and so on.

In such cases, it is clear that active investors have more profits than passive investors.

Passive investments should be more profitable than active investments because your passive investment is working for you without you putting in any physical labor and it won't disturb your day job or any other activities. If an investor has enough capital and is able to invest in reputable assets like Bitcoin, gold and real estate, he can even go on early retirement and leave on his ROI, because these assets will keep increasing in value. Meanwhile active investors like crypto traders are always active monitoring the market and facing the challenges of profit and lose, although there's nothing stopping an investor to merge passive and active investments.

As for billionaires like Warren Buffett, and Jamie Dimon, they're entitled to their opinions about Bitcoin, and it doesn't affect the increasing in value and adoption of Bitcoin.

Passive investors buy and hold where they only save and buy at prices that tend to be low. In contrast to active investors, because active trading is buying and selling, the buying price also increases over time. Because it is impossible for him to buy the asset at the lowest price like before if the asset price continues to rise. Let's say Bitcoin, which from its inception has always gone up and up and never returned to its initial low price. Therefore, investors with investment targets get more profits compared to traders (active investors).

Strange to read this from someone who is considered smart. Bitcoin and not any other shitcoin provides an infrastructure to transact internationally without centralized power. The value this provides during the time of localized legislations against the consumer’s individual rights is astonishing and sort of obvious. Yes it’s volatile but the risk can be well managed with some simple tools. Buffet is out of touch or just too conservative for his own good. Either way its a new world out there where next buffet is already making gains

It's not 100% absolute, but I tend to agree with that.

Passive investors know they're better to earn money by working instead of beating the market because market is very unpredictable. Since they're can make money regularly from their jobs, they can accumulate more assets.

While traders, they don't have any other source to make money except by trading.

Everybody is subjected to their own opinion, and everybody have their say on what they feel about bitcoin which will surely not be everybody's point of view.
If Warren Buffet consider BTC as something with no intrinsic value or he consider cryptocurrency as gambling, he is saying his mind on what he feels about bitcoin and cryptocurrency and not what general public thinks about bitcoin and cryptocurrency.
If you did not know anything about bitcoin, try and learn and ask questions here, by doing that, you can analyze what he said by yourself to know if he is saying the truth or just his opinion based on selfish interest.

Yes passive investors do more money than active. Any type of retirement account out there is pretty much passive and the way the stock market has been running the past 20 years or so has made it very difficult to beat active trading.

There are some firms that make more money but most retail investors don’t. Especially in the long time frame. It’s just much easier to buy some index fund and wait rather than jump in and out of positions.

It sounds confusing to think trading is investing and investing includes what is called as short term investing.

Investment must be long term to be matched with its correct definition. When you call it is a short term investment, it is no longer investment but speculation. Day trading is different than speculation and let me explain.

Trading has nothing to do with expectation that price will rise more, the project will grow up more. You can trade with long or short, sell high buy low and enjoy short term price bounce.

Speculation has something relates to price growth, project growth but you don't plan to hold a coin too long, just speculate it is time to have the coin because you see price will rise soon. It is still different than investment that relates to strong belief that the project will grow up in long term.

bing rich and has millions of dollars, this does not mean that you will become as rich as him and thus be affected by his life. If his suggestion was not to buy a car or a house for tens of thousands of dollars, but rather buy for millions of dollars, would you think that this is good advice for you?
No one doubts Warren Buffet's success, but his success should not affect your life. Each of you is completely different, and his stock market advice should not be what motivates you to invest in Bitcoin.
Take the general rules from investors and build your personal experience. One of the general rules is diversification and investing with money you do not need for the next two years.

Sometimes it's just buying the right asset at the right time.

I mean look at people who bought Bitcoin over a decade ago, some even probably thought it would over go this high but some of them now have BTC still in their addresses worth millions of dollars. At the same time, some passive investors who engaged trading didn't make that much after all those years. On the flip side, I have also seen some passive investors make a fortune overnight but just investing in an asset at the most perfect time. So I think there is also some luck in there.

I don't like the idea of following the principles of people who got rich from a different generation and era. The world keeps changing. For example, how many people have watched Warren Buffett's documentaries, followed the same script and become rich like him?

If it's a passive investor I think they can make more money since they know where to invest and make a profit I'm sure they would invest a huge amount investing has less risk if you know where to invest compared to trading.

Since crypto is not as stable as local currency there is a huge risk in trading with crypto but to those who already know when to trade with Crypto if a trader can invest more in trading, he can also able to make more profit compared to investors.

I think it depends on who makes the most money. As passive investors, they invest in something, like bitcoin, but passively, meaning even though they don't do interaction, they earn passively without doing anything. But the thing is, their income will depend on what they are investing in. For example, if an investor lets someone trade for him, that's a passive income, but it would depend on the pilot on how much the investor will earn. While active investors focus more on interacting with the market and doing the work to earn, they are the ones who will decide and take action; their income will depend on their own doings. The only difference is that passive investors have more time to themselves and less stress, while active investors will face the hardships of investing in this field. They both can earn the same amount, but they have different ways of doing it.

As for passive investors if they're making more money, for me it's possible and if I'm comparing myself as a trader then I'll probably make less than just simply holding because it's stress free and I like more being passive than active because it's likely that you'll get to lose more and that's proven.

He's always been negative about Bitcoin. We all salute him for being a good investor and one of the wealthiest people alive but if we're going to see him right now, he's just an old man that doesn't like new concepts in investing because he's born on different era.

I've been watching many YouTube videos on how to make lots of money through day trading.
Those videos are quite impressive and compelling.

However, I've read what Warren Buffet (an American businessman and philanthropist, widely considered the most successful investor of the 20th century) thinks about short-term investing, which is quite negative.
By the way, he also thinks BTC has no intrinsic value and cryptocurrency is just gambling.

https://www.investors.com/news/warren-buffett-bashes-bitcoin-as-gambling-token-bitcoin-price-hovers-near-30000/#:~:text=%22Something%20like%20bitcoin%2C%20it%20is,intrinsic%20value%2C%22%20Buffett%20said.