When do we really note it for Bitcoin ATH

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So I want to keep this really Brief but,

I was just reading some threads as I do often on the forum and I noticed a thread that talks about Bitcoin ATH and even so, recognizes that Bitcoin is still climbing. Of course it might be an ATH given that, it already broke the existing at the time. Even so, we know that it’s not going to be hooked there and price appreciation is still going to continue pushing for more.

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

We can only have a new ATH after price has crossed the previous one formed which is $73,000. In as much as price hasn't crossed it, the price still act with that as a resistance until it's breached, though we are speculating price to form a new ATH in this bull run. There is only one ATH for now, wether it holds for a long time or not once it sweeps it, a new ATH is formed.
We just need to watch how the market moves, probably after the halving we know the new ATH.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on April 24, 2024, 05:55:02 PM

The highest price is the ATH, so as long as bitcoin price continues to beat a new high then it is the ATH. Just like you it is better people don’t get to focus on the next all time but rather do your research to predict how high the market can go or if you can not do same research due to lack of knowledge, you might as well look at past history of the price of bitcoin and then accumulate. When it’s down to taking of profit, my advice is one should just set a price target that looks realistic for them and take profits there. Waiting for a certain high price could create a missed opportunity.

I will be confident to say most investors that took profit in the last bull run many of them didn’t take it at that $69k most would have taken their profits before then, which to me is still good rather than regretting not taking any at all due to waiting for ATH

We invest because of profits, so I think it's not bad to focus on the ATH. Also the research you are telling there, does not differ to it. Doing an overall research is good but if it's only about how high the market can go, that would be none-sense because there is no way to tell it.

Checking the price history is interesting. It can give us an idea about what BTC had achieved but again I won't use it like a pattern to tell the next move of BTC because I could be waiting in vain only. Apart from statistics, I think luck can also be applied here. If one is like that, their beliefs and solid patience can still get compensated which can also encourage them to do it again.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

After the Bull market has ended.

Historically 12 months approximately after the halving is when the Bull market has ended
and the Bear market begins, its has been part of Bitcoins 4 year cycle.

or when the market falls for a certain length of time. ATM we can refer to Bitcoins ATH as
~$73,000

If you want to know specifically when that happens - nobody is going to be able to
tell you that. There are only two certainties in life 'Death and Taxes'

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Quote from: adultcrypto on April 26, 2024, 10:17:21 AM

I view your question in two ways one being from the point of you not knowing what bitcoin ATH mean and the other being you wanting a clarification on how to know it before hand. For the first part, bitcoin ATH simply means the point bitcoins records a high it has not recorded before. For now the ATH of bitcoin is $73,738. On the aspect of knowing the ATH before it happens, I don't think there is anyone that can know that with accuracy. The best people do is to predict using past data and gauging the market momentum combined with the news and development within the bitcoin ecosystem. Even with all these tools, it is still impossible to know what the ATH will be before it happens.

To be fair, a situation where we end up with a "prediction" regarding all time high, is literally the speculation that we all make here. This is the forums speculation part, and when you say it will go up or down, you make a speculation, when you say it will be 100k in 2 years, you make a speculation, when anyone says "I believe we will break ATH price in 6 months" they are making a speculation.

You do not have to know it, nobody knows it, but just because we do not "know" it, does that mean we can't trade? Trading is literally turning the speculation into execution and that means we are going to end up with a greater return and that's the most important part. I think this is why we need to realize that things aren't always that easy and just have to go with the flow even if we don't know.

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Quote from: AnonBitCoiner on April 20, 2024, 08:48:07 PM

During every halving price of Bitcoin crossed previously created ATH and now halving has been initiated so there will be no sudden effects of halving but the market will dump and after which pumping will happen so don't think that if price has not surged yet then it will not increase anymore.

The previous ATH was 69k$ and before halving Bitcoin has already touched 73k$ so it is assumed that Bitcoin will increase further and will go higher than these two values. however it is still very difficult that when we will see another ATH and also we don't know about the value of new ATH but possibly it will be 100k$ or more than this.

As we all saw Bitcoin had already crossed its last all-time high and made a new all-time high before Halving.
Looking at Bitcoin's history, everyone is very optimistic that Bitcoin will touch $80K, $90K, or $100K very soon, but looking at the current movement of Bitcoin, it can be said that all this may take a long time.

For those who can hold BTC for a long time, this is still a suitable time to buy and save bitcoins, but for those who cannot hold their BTC for a long time under any circumstances, so this would not be a good time to buy Bitcoin for them because they will have to sell them back after some time and this might not be a profitable deal for them.

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Quote from: adultcrypto on April 26, 2024, 10:17:21 AM

I view your question in two ways one being from the point of you not knowing what bitcoin ATH mean and the other being you wanting a clarification on how to know it before hand. For the first part, bitcoin ATH simply means the point bitcoins records a high it has not recorded before. For now the ATH of bitcoin is $73,738. On the aspect of knowing the ATH before it happens, I don't think there is anyone that can know that with accuracy. The best people do is to predict using past data and gauging the market momentum combined with the news and development within the bitcoin ecosystem. Even with all these tools, it is still impossible to know what the ATH will be before it happens.

Simply put, every time Bitcoin records a price above the previous highest price, it will be called a new ATH. So when do we expect bitcoin to hit its new ATH? This is a question that is basically difficult to answer with certainty, of course because we never know the future.

A new ATH can be expected when bitcoin gains higher interest over time. The soaring demand for bitcoin makes the price even higher, but of course there is time you have to set aside to wait for the time to arrive. A bullrun can be expected after the halving, but prices do not rise as fast as imagined without the support of large investors and other positive things.

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I view your question in two ways one being from the point of you not knowing what bitcoin ATH mean and the other being you wanting a clarification on how to know it before hand. For the first part, bitcoin ATH simply means the point bitcoins records a high it has not recorded before. For now the ATH of bitcoin is $73,738. On the aspect of knowing the ATH before it happens, I don't think there is anyone that can know that with accuracy. The best people do is to predict using past data and gauging the market momentum combined with the news and development within the bitcoin ecosystem. Even with all these tools, it is still impossible to know what the ATH will be before it happens.

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My understanding of Bitcoin price ATH is anytime when price exceeds the highest price of Bitcoin, before it starts to dump, meaning that anytime price increases more than the previous ATH then we'll see a new ATH, the ATH will continue until price begins to dip. Ofcourse ATH normally happens during bull runs, that is when we see a price surge that can exceed the previous ATH, so I'm quite optimistic that we can see a price ATH of $100k in this year, then in the peak of the bull run next year, price can exceed $150k ATH, before dip will start to happen, this is my speculation.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?

Exactly? It is not a term we use here, the market is unpredictable.
We just knew it after. So these people are talking about ATH, they do not even know when it comes but just purely speculation based on the market history and previous ATH. But most of us believe it comes a few months after halving just like it happened last 2021.

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Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

We have already reached $71k, if there is no more pump beyond that price...that will be considered as the NEW ATH after surpassing the $69k in the last 2021. But I was not losing hope because as long as we are still the bull season, nothing is impossible knowing the fact that there are of factor that affect the price trend.

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Quote from: EL MOHA on April 24, 2024, 05:55:02 PM

The highest price is the ATH, so as long as bitcoin price continues to beat a new high then it is the ATH. Just like you it is better people don’t get to focus on the next all time but rather do your research to predict how high the market can go or if you can not do same research due to lack of knowledge, you might as well look at past history of the price of bitcoin and then accumulate. When it’s down to taking of profit, my advice is one should just set a price target that looks realistic for them and take profits there. Waiting for a certain high price could create a missed opportunity.

I just woke up because I was tired of following a few lessons left behind.
Thank You. Your specluation is good, but for you to use it yourself.

I understand what ATH is. I am not trading that forced me to have to do research to predict prices. I just want to enjoy every situation and market condition casually so that for now however the situation is not a problem for me.

If my goal is to benefit Bitcoin by trading, of course I will learn how to do the best for me. But I want the bitcoin that I have in my own way and I will not trade with Bitcoin.
You are not too smart in the field of reading when the best situation to take advantage. Other traders out there are also not always profitable in trading.

So, do not call buying when the price is low and hold before selling when the price is high to show someone is great in the field because I have often found the sentence statement in many opportunities that I have read.

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OP this is not rocket science and there is no need for you to try to bring in any extra meaning or anything of that sort, Bitcoin's highest ever price at a particular time is its all time high. If the price rises and breaks the previous ATH, a new one is set and so on, and we could prolly see an ATH as high as $100k this year, or even more.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on April 24, 2024, 04:32:27 AM

Whenever it comes, it won't be a problem for me at all because I'm still very relaxed with the way things are now and would be happy if I could experience a new ATH, whether it's $100k or more. I'm just thinking about how fees can return to normal so that all business can run smoothly.
I don't think it has any influence with some of the previous ATHs that have occurred. Once things happen, nothing will be able to stop them.

The highest price is the ATH, so as long as bitcoin price continues to beat a new high then it is the ATH. Just like you it is better people don’t get to focus on the next all time but rather do your research to predict how high the market can go or if you can not do same research due to lack of knowledge, you might as well look at past history of the price of bitcoin and then accumulate. When it’s down to taking of profit, my advice is one should just set a price target that looks realistic for them and take profits there. Waiting for a certain high price could create a missed opportunity.

I will be confident to say most investors that took profit in the last bull run many of them didn’t take it at that $69k most would have taken their profits before then, which to me is still good rather than regretting not taking any at all due to waiting for ATH

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Quote from: FinePoine0 on April 24, 2024, 12:55:27 AM

The price of Bitcoin is uncertain so it goes up and down all the time. The longer we stay in a bull market, the more bitcoin prices will continue to advance. But most bull runs only need to be recorded when bitcoin prices reach their highest levels, as the bull market season that follows each halving is when bitcoin prices hit their highest highs.

Bitcoin price volatility is a constant, with fluctuations occurring regularly. Extended periods of bullish market sentiment drive prices upwards. However, significant price surges are typically observed during peak levels, especially following halving events. These halving events, reducing miner rewards, often coincide with periods of peak market performance, leading to the highest recorded Bitcoin prices.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

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So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

ATH is not particularly about how long that the new highest price have stayed on the top for but the prove that it is actually summounted the existing or previous highest price. So if it is only for few hours so long it as been recorded that there is a new price that was just hit for the first time ever in the history and chart or graph of bitcoin price then that stands as the ATH. This is how it is known and not about the duration of time it lasted being the highest price. So you can have ATH today and tomorrow another ATH is achieved or reached.

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Quote from: Negotiation on April 24, 2024, 10:03:48 AM

Quote from: MiF on April 24, 2024, 01:46:21 AM

ATH means all time high so when the btc rise up above the past high price , we can considered it all time high we can monitor the price in so many exchange and there are also some price tracking apps, so there is no problem on tracking the current price the problem is we don't know when BTC will drop down drastically and we will end up losing if we don't have patience to hold.

It is true that bitcoin investment requires patience even if the price of bitcoin goes down those who can wait patiently will reap good profits. The stupidity of selling will rise again even if the price goes down. Bitcoin is reaching its all time high and creating incredible milestones for the cryptocurrency industry with bitcoin's new ATH.

Yeah being patient enough must be too hard for most investors, normally if it was something that goes up small by small, like for example gold does require a lot of time to go up a lot, you will have to spend a lot of time and that has to be the most important thing, and we should definitely consider the situation changing at all times. I personally believe that the best thing to do in this case would be basically arranging bitcoin to be straight forward if it was just patience.

However, the difference is that, while bitcoin may go up more than gold, it could also have a period where it crashes in the middle, meaning while you wait, you see it crash many times, and then you get richer, so it is a lot more emotionally damaging to keep holding it, and makes people scared.

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Quote from: MiF on April 24, 2024, 01:46:21 AM

Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So I want to keep this really Brief but,

I was just reading some threads as I do often on the forum and I noticed a thread that talks about Bitcoin ATH and even so, recognizes that Bitcoin is still climbing. Of course it might be an ATH given that, it already broke the existing at the time. Even so, we know that it’s not going to be hooked there and price appreciation is still going to continue pushing for more.

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

ATH means all time high so when the btc rise up above the past high price , we can considered it all time high we can monitor the price in so many exchange and there are also some price tracking apps, so there is no problem on tracking the current price the problem is we don't know when BTC will drop down drastically and we will end up losing if we don't have patience to hold.

It is true that bitcoin investment requires patience even if the price of bitcoin goes down those who can wait patiently will reap good profits. The stupidity of selling will rise again even if the price goes down. Bitcoin is reaching its all time high and creating incredible milestones for the cryptocurrency industry with bitcoin's new ATH.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

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So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

It doesn't matter even if the price only lasts 1 minute or less, if the latest price passes the previous ATH, then it can be considered a new ATH. For example, currently the price of Bitcoin is around 66k USD, and the previous ATH was 73k USD, if the price of Bitcoin tomorrow is 74k USD or more than that, then that can be considered a new ATH for Bitcoin - because what matters is not how long the price lasts , but how the latest price is more than the previous ATH.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

There is no right answer from me to declare a new ATH other than try to get more Bitcoin and hold until the all-time high price is reached.
People speculate that ATH will occur after the halving, but before the halving, to be precise, several months ago the previous ATH was solved and gave birth to a new ATH, even if only for a moment and now the price is below the previous ATH.

Whenever it comes, it won't be a problem for me at all because I'm still very relaxed with the way things are now and would be happy if I could experience a new ATH, whether it's $100k or more. I'm just thinking about how fees can return to normal so that all business can run smoothly.
I don't think it has any influence with some of the previous ATHs that have occurred. Once things happen, nothing will be able to stop them.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So I want to keep this really Brief but,

I was just reading some threads as I do often on the forum and I noticed a thread that talks about Bitcoin ATH and even so, recognizes that Bitcoin is still climbing. Of course it might be an ATH given that, it already broke the existing at the time. Even so, we know that it’s not going to be hooked there and price appreciation is still going to continue pushing for more.

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

ATH means all time high so when the btc rise up above the past high price , we can considered it all time high we can monitor the price in so many exchange and there are also some price tracking apps, so there is no problem on tracking the current price the problem is we don't know when BTC will drop down drastically and we will end up losing if we don't have patience to hold.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So I want to keep this really Brief but,

I was just reading some threads as I do often on the forum and I noticed a thread that talks about Bitcoin ATH and even so, recognizes that Bitcoin is still climbing. Of course it might be an ATH given that, it already broke the existing at the time. Even so, we know that it’s not going to be hooked there and price appreciation is still going to continue pushing for more.

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

The price of Bitcoin is uncertain so it goes up and down all the time. The longer we stay in a bull market, the more bitcoin prices will continue to advance. But most bull runs only need to be recorded when bitcoin prices reach their highest levels, as the bull market season that follows each halving is when bitcoin prices hit their highest highs.

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So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

Whenever bullish season is appearing in the market in a particular year, there will definitely be ATH where holders will take record as the highest price they have ever experienced from the year and it will be recorded for other investors to take note of such move in the future and to have hope in their holding to experience another ATH in the next bullish season. Now that the price is reducing again from the market, for those that sold their coins to get prepare for another bearish season before they can purchase coins from the market and hold for another bullish season that will make the price to be higher than the previous ATH before they can release their coins for sale. I think, the highest price investors have experienced from this year is $73,000, which there are some signs that the price will still touch $90,000 before the end of this year to record another ATH that will make many countries to begin to adopt Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in their countries.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 18, 2024, 09:38:18 AM

Each time the price record breaks and Bitcoins goes up, we mark that exact moment as ATH price. Yes it might break multiple times and we might see ATH price more often, but that is not the issue. If you meant the actual figure, then that will only be seen only during the bull run. The price will just go down and down, and at that moment we can note how high Bitcoins were during the rise. In this manner the final ATH price can be noted.

That is just the way it is, every single time bitcoin reaches a higher value it has not reached before, that is an ATH, however since there are many ATHs during a big movement, we often only give any attention the highest peak during the day those ATHs happened, and once the bull run is over the highest price that is reached becomes the benchmark to beat during the next bull market, the absolute ATH in the mind of most investors and the one that is remembered the most, while the previous ATHs that were reached get eventually forgotten.

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During every halving price of Bitcoin crossed previously created ATH and now halving has been initiated so there will be no sudden effects of halving but the market will dump and after which pumping will happen so don't think that if price has not surged yet then it will not increase anymore.

The previous ATH was 69k$ and before halving Bitcoin has already touched 73k$ so it is assumed that Bitcoin will increase further and will go higher than these two values. however it is still very difficult that when we will see another ATH and also we don't know about the value of new ATH but possibly it will be 100k$ or more than this.

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Quote from: JimboToronto on April 20, 2024, 01:06:20 AM

There's no such thing as an "all time" high, Laura.

As the man said it, it's going up forever.
All highs are just temporary.

We can't deny him thinking outside the box because since bitcoin is priced in fiat money, mainly USD, and bitcoin's inflation is lower than dollar's, there's only one outcome - bitcoin will continue to go up against the dollar for as long as they both exist. What we see as all time highs are just bumps along an infinite path and if you look at a daily charts you see them, but go to weekly, and they start to become blurry. Go to monthly and they start forming one long incline.

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Quote from: Sorryfor on April 20, 2024, 12:48:51 PM

Bitcoin halving has started now its current price is 64000$. The price of Bitcoin reached the above amount at the beginning of the halving this year. Now the halving will dump the price of Bitcoin within few days and it may be between 40000 to 50000$. That's my idea. After that the price of Bitcoin will pump again and reach its best value. Now let's see how much Bitcoin pumps up in the future.Earlier in 2021, Bitcoin ATH was $69,000. Currently, the price of Bitcoin at the start of the halving in 2024 stands at $64,000. Bitcoin may then leave its high of $100,000 within a few days

Now it may be more different from 2021, because with the price of Bitcoin still remaining at the level of more than $64K, it may not cause Bitcoin to fall to the price level you said. Because if you look at the current condition of Bitcoin buyers, I am more confident in the next price increase than the price decrease to a lower level even though that could also be possible for Bitcoin at this time. However, with price correction conditions that are not too large like now, of course the possibility of a deeper decline will not immediately occur for Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Sorryfor on April 20, 2024, 12:48:51 PM

Bitcoin halving has started now its current price is 64000$. The price of Bitcoin reached the above amount at the beginning of the halving this year. Now the halving will dump the price of Bitcoin within few days and it may be between 40000 to 50000$. That's my idea. After that the price of Bitcoin will pump again and reach its best value. Now let's see how much Bitcoin pumps up in the future.Earlier in 2021, Bitcoin ATH was $69,000. Currently, the price of Bitcoin at the start of the halving in 2024 stands at $64,000. Bitcoin may then leave its high of $100,000 within a few days

Yes, the price of bitcoin has slightly exceeded the previous price, that's just your speculation, even if it's true, of course many people will be happy to see that price. Price declines are commonplace, not only during halving, there are many factors that influence the issues out there. Don't we just see bitcoin prices increasing in the future? What we need is how much have you filled your bag with bitcoin? Actually, this is the right moment to increase our assets, as much as we can. If you really believe in this asset looking at its previous track record, expand your bag right now with Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin halving has started now its current price is 64000$. The price of Bitcoin reached the above amount at the beginning of the halving this year. Now the halving will dump the price of Bitcoin within few days and it may be between 40000 to 50000$. That's my idea. After that the price of Bitcoin will pump again and reach its best value. Now let's see how much Bitcoin pumps up in the future.Earlier in 2021, Bitcoin ATH was $69,000. Currently, the price of Bitcoin at the start of the halving in 2024 stands at $64,000. Bitcoin may then leave its high of $100,000 within a few days

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Quote from: JimboToronto on April 20, 2024, 01:06:20 AM

There's no such thing as an "all time" high, Laura.

I have been trying to make sense out of this statement since I saw it and every though I could relate with seems contradictory and doesn’t allow me to make a lot of sense out it.

Having to support that, there couldn’t be such a thing as an “All Time” High, given the fact that, there is a future term to that statement, we could also argue that, the statement can persist due to the fact that,
You really can’t assume discredit the existence of an event based on a time you don’t know to exists for sure. Perhaps we climb the next hour and the price doesn’t beat the previous, they all feature in the past and number below an existing high price.

So, an All Time High statement could go!

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There's no such thing as an "all time" high, Laura.

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If you mean the ATH in relation to the value of the dollar at that time, you will not get an accurate value, but you can get an approximate value. I read a topic a while ago on the forum that talks about this issue, and in this case the ATH will be different for each country compared to the inflation rate that has occurred since that time.

This means that in my country, the value of Bitcoin must be around 120-150K$ in order to obtain the previous ATH value compared to the rate of inflation that has occurred since that time, but for me it is okay. I will be happy if I sell Bitcoin at 100K$.

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Quote from: EluguHcman on April 19, 2024, 10:04:58 AM

Very interesting question and this is actually a common reasoning that most of us still feel confused about.
OP, just as entailed, ATH means "All Time High" which is to say whatever price Bitcoin surges that has never been counted in history is simply an ATH.

The record to be an ATH can occur in any season of Bitcoin but usually, Bitcoin enthusiasts expects Bitcoin ATH during the bull runs of every 4 years circles.

It's not on every season, all time high is achieved during the bull run cycle. And so we officially enter the bull run cycle after the halving, so in 5 years, we have the halving so it will commence that countdown to a new all time high year this year and 2025.

And so there are a lot of speculations as what the new all time high will be, but all agreed that at least a 6 digit price is on the horizon and this will be our top price for this bull run. It might take some time to get to that price though.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on April 18, 2024, 09:38:18 AM

Each time the price record breaks and Bitcoins goes up, we mark that exact moment as ATH price. Yes it might break multiple times and we might see ATH price more often, but that is not the issue. If you meant the actual figure, then that will only be seen only during the bull run. The price will just go down and down, and at that moment we can note how high Bitcoins were during the rise. In this manner the final ATH price can be noted.

In a bullish phase, the ATH record may be broken many times but often it will not last forever because a natural decline means it will signal a bearish season.
We will see the real ATH later anyone can declare it but for now only $73K as the new ATH and then broken in the next few months so that's what I think.
Nothing more but looking forward to what the record high will be.

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Quote from: Jating on April 19, 2024, 09:42:43 AM

We obviously declare ATH when we no longer see the price climbing up, and this is usually on the last quarter a year after the halving.

Any price which is the all time highest price in comparison to all previous prices is an ATH at the time. You only call the prices in hindsight when we are looking at the peaks and lowest of different cycles. ATHs are called at the time they are recorded.

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Meanwhile, some forum users might have done justice given their various opinions on the question you asked, All Time High (ATH) is is seen as the highest of price mark as per any asset, but now specifically on Bitcoin, ATH are bound to happen in every cycle before or after it's halving commencing, like currently we are closer to the halving and we already touched an All Time High of $73k, it isn't the climax yet, just after the halving it's definite that we must get a price mark higher than this, many already speculated a value above $100k. So, we declare an ATH as soon the price of Bitcoin at that particular spot has the highest price mark compared to the time of creation. The ATH of Bitcoin varies at every cycle, and it is bound to continue such way, we should expect another Bitcoin ATH not too long from now.

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Very interesting question and this is actually a common reasoning that most of us still feel confused about.
OP, just as entailed, ATH means "All Time High" which is to say whatever price Bitcoin surges that has never been counted in history is simply an ATH.

The record to be an ATH can occur in any season of Bitcoin but usually, Bitcoin enthusiasts expects Bitcoin ATH during the bull runs of every 4 years circles.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So I want to keep this really Brief but,

I was just reading some threads as I do often on the forum and I noticed a thread that talks about Bitcoin ATH and even so, recognizes that Bitcoin is still climbing. Of course it might be an ATH given that, it already broke the existing at the time. Even so, we know that it’s not going to be hooked there and price appreciation is still going to continue pushing for more.

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

We obviously declare ATH when we no longer see the price climbing up, and this is usually on the last quarter a year after the halving. So in this case if could be in 2025, maybe November or December to reach a new ATH and the price reaches it top. in 2017, it was December close to $20k, and in 2021, it was November, $69k.

So in the current bull run, it's a question what will be the ATH, conservative estimates is around $100k-$150k. But we will see, no one can see the future, what we are hearing are just pure speculation and wild educated guesses.

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There are two terms - ATH and peak of a cycle, and most people use them interchangeably, but it's wrong, because they are not the same. ATH is just the highest price up until the current moment. And peak of a cycle is the highest price of a market cycle, after which came the crash. For some time period after the crash these two terms refer to the same price point, but eventually the price recovers as it enters a new cycle, and then it becomes wrong to refer to the past price peaks as "ATH".

So, it's confusing to say "2013 ATH", "2017 ATH", "2021 ATH". Just say "peak".

Currently 72k is the ATH, but it's most likely not a peak of the bull cycle. You can call it a peak of the local bull trend, but that is only if you are analyzing very short term trends.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

From the word itself - All-Time-High - simply means the highest price of Bitcoin in the market, no matter how many times it breaks it, the highest recorded selling price will always be recorded as ATH. Does it concern you if Bitcoin has broken so many recorded ATH? It does not concern me because it is natural for a highly volatile market to record many ATH while it uptrends. Besides, Bitcoin is still in the process of adoption so it is to be observed that Bitcoin will increase its price as the number of people and institutions participating in the Bitcoin economy increase.

The only scenario where the market stops breaking its ATH is when it reaches its peak and can no longer grow in price.

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It's pretty easy, just get the highest one. And if it breaks, it's now the one that breaks it. There's nothing too much about it really, it's just that it reached a higher high. There's nothing else. There's only one current ATH and the previous one would be called "old ATH". It has been an ATH but not the current ATH. What's so hard to understand about that?

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

Every time you see the price broke its previous peak, then you can consider that as the new ATH but of course it can still pump above that.
We can only know the final peak once the bull trend is over, but right now there's still a big chance for another peak so it's hard to tell if we already reach the all time high because the bull trend is still here. Just try to analyze the price trend and the chart so you can know when to take profit and when to buy to avoid being trap at the peak price.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

How much do you want to declare about the new ATH, is it $100K? Wait if you want this is usually after 18 months+ halving, referring to Plan B.

The past ATH is no different, the record will definitely be different because the price continues to rise if the ATH is not too long, it is normal that as long as it is in a bullish phase, the price will still be high, so I don't think there is a problem when wanting ATH too far.

The fact is we only want to see $100K in the near future if this has been broken then the new target will be even higher.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So I want to keep this really Brief but,

I was just reading some threads as I do often on the forum and I noticed a thread that talks about Bitcoin ATH and even so, recognizes that Bitcoin is still climbing. Of course it might be an ATH given that, it already broke the existing at the time. Even so, we know that it’s not going to be hooked there and price appreciation is still going to continue pushing for more.

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

When the market enters the all-time high we consider that time as the new ATH. For example Bitcoin highest ATH in 2021 was 69 thousand dollars then from there market started dumping to 15000 dollars and then market slowly pumped and participated in 2024 peak high of $73000+ now question is if we consider $69k as new ATH. And if it reaches $73k in 2024 then we consider it to be all time high and new ATH. But the all-time high of $73k I think will break this record and set a new record in 2024.

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Thats an ancient saying quite true thousands of years, today we can apply it to the dollar FIAT value. Dollar 2021 is not the Dollar 2024, they are not the same value or interchangeable which one day that will matter everywhere but for BTC the ATH from 2021 should not be compared too closely to the ATH right now as their values only match so much.

The main thing to consider is volume, which relates to resistance. The people who traded BTC in 2021 want their dollars back, they have debt to repay and despite appearing we exceeded the old ATH price did we really do so in value terms. This could explain some of this disappointing languishing price action in BTC.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 18, 2024, 07:32:37 AM

There are many ways or channels in which we can know the all time high market of bitcoin, this can be done on exchanges, wallets or some other news related apps concerning bitcoin or crypto, like from the previous we had last month, bitcoin all time high is $73,800 and whenever we arrived at anything above this said range is another all time high, same applies as it continue to rise in same pattern for among the new ones until the market dumps.

That’s to say, it doesn’t matter if it stands or not,
Like every price that went up after the previous long lasting $69k price mark is an ATH in themselves as, that’s the idea am getting and it just doesn’t seem like what should be to me.

Now the Bitcoin price is back below the ATH again and if it is still possible for it to increase again this year or after the halving, I don't think we need to wait for next year to see a new ATH again on Bitcoin. Because even reaching $74K is already included in the new ATH of all time, especially if you can get past that range and get to $75K. Because buyers in the market can also hold influence in this case, it can cause a very small level of price correction in Bitcoin.

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Each time the price record breaks and Bitcoins goes up, we mark that exact moment as ATH price. Yes it might break multiple times and we might see ATH price more often, but that is not the issue. If you meant the actual figure, then that will only be seen only during the bull run. The price will just go down and down, and at that moment we can note how high Bitcoins were during the rise. In this manner the final ATH price can be noted.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on April 18, 2024, 07:32:37 AM

There are many ways or channels in which we can know the all time high market of bitcoin, this can be done on exchanges, wallets or some other news related apps concerning bitcoin or crypto, like from the previous we had last month, bitcoin all time high is $73,800 and whenever we arrived at anything above this said range is another all time high, same applies as it continue to rise in same pattern for among the new ones until the market dumps.

That’s to say, it doesn’t matter if it stands or not,
Like every price that went up after the previous long lasting $69k price mark is an ATH in themselves as, that’s the idea am getting and it just doesn’t seem like what should be to me.

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Quote from: JiiBs on April 18, 2024, 06:52:18 AM

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

There are many ways or channels in which we can know the all time high market of bitcoin, this can be done on exchanges, wallets or some other news related apps concerning bitcoin or crypto, like from the previous we had last month, bitcoin all time high is $73,800 and whenever we arrived at anything above this said range is another all time high, same applies as it continue to rise in same pattern for among the new ones until the market dumps.

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So I want to keep this really Brief but,

I was just reading some threads as I do often on the forum and I noticed a thread that talks about Bitcoin ATH and even so, recognizes that Bitcoin is still climbing. Of course it might be an ATH given that, it already broke the existing at the time. Even so, we know that it’s not going to be hooked there and price appreciation is still going to continue pushing for more.

So, exactly when can we have declare an ATH to be?
Is it really subjected to any price that just broke the previous ATH even when we know it ain’t going to hold for long? Because we just might have way too many ATH in the previous!

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