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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on March 27, 2024, 11:43:18 AM

This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another.

Of course, I just don't understand what he wants. If he and his friend trust each other, they can make transactions between them, but the transactions he proposes to make are a bit strange. Using an intermediary, which would have to be a trusted escrow, otherwise there is a risk of losing the money, is usually when there is not enough trust between the two parties.

You are right if two people have a good relationship and there is trust, their relationship will not be destroyed if they transact. Therefore, in terms of relationship, transactions must be done very carefully so that their relationship is not damaged due to this transaction. From that point of view, he can trade, but before trading, he needs to have enough knowledge about Bitcoin so that he does not trade in the wrong place, since the transaction will be done on borrowed money, so he has to make the right decision. If he invests in a wrong place, he may face losses, so he should invest carefully.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

Edit: To clarify: "the partner" is just a person I met on the internet, there is no trust relationship between the two uf us. It is in both our interests that this sequence of transaction will take place as described.

Thanks a lot for your inputs!

There has to be a reason for these transactions IMO before any reputable person here is going to help. Going just by the scenario you described it would look just like trust farming, which will end up not looking so good for you or your "partner".

Quote from: peter0425 on March 29, 2024, 12:58:45 AM

The intermediary you have to look for also needs to be trustworthy. It should be someone that has a legal background preferably instead of just someone that both you and your partner knows like a friend because it would be very easy for one to bribe the other.

There are lots of escrows in the internet. It is preferably that it is a complete stranger to the both of you with credibility and expertise because of the reason I previously stated.

You should probably not comment unless you have a clue of how a situation works. Plenty of people on this forum have held a lot more then $900. Whether they held it for an escrow deal, a signature campaign, or just because someone asked them to, they did it without any issues. If you want to spam, go spam gambling discussion.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

Edit: To clarify: "the partner" is just a person I met on the internet, there is no trust relationship between the two uf us. It is in both our interests that this sequence of transaction will take place as described.

Thanks a lot for your inputs!

If you want to do escrow then of course there are many trusted people in this forum through whom you can complete the transaction. @yahoo62278, @icopress, @hugeblack etc person stream you can complete the transaction. They always work faithfully and selflessly in the forum

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The intermediary you have to look for also needs to be trustworthy. It should be someone that has a legal background preferably instead of just someone that both you and your partner knows like a friend because it would be very easy for one to bribe the other.

There are lots of escrows in the internet. It is preferably that it is a complete stranger to the both of you with credibility and expertise because of the reason I previously stated.

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An input sequence or nSequence in Bitcoin has to do with a field of a Bitcoin transaction input , which was initially wanting to make payment channels almost the same as the Lightening network .

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 28, 2024, 03:19:56 AM

Quote from: franky1 on March 27, 2024, 01:47:14 PM

just use a multisig

both sides send a public address to each other
use those addresses to create a 2 of 2 multisig
(if you want 2 multisig addresses(escrows) both sides create 2 public addresses each and share them to create 2 multisigs)

fund the multisig and then when its funded you both have to decide on the destination(s) and amount of the fund(s) which you then both sign for

no middle man needed. just each other being co-signers to make sure it only leaves the multisig when both sides are happy with destination and amount and time to let it be spent

in short you both become your own escrow

That sounds interesting.
But unsure if I understand.
So you use multisig to release the escrow?
Can you use multisig to create two transactions at once?
, but I don't understand how you solve the problem that one deposit is released by one party, and the other is not

Sometimes the issue is not about knowing bitcoin, but about having basic financial experience, but we want to do things when we don't even know the traditional.

In traditional banking there is what is known as joint signatures, let's say that three people open an account and of those three, two people authorize the payment with their signature, that is, 3 out of 2, then, what you are mentioning is resolved.

Since 2 out of 2, there is that possibility, one does not agree and the transfer or check is not approved, the same happens with bitcoin, the big difference is that to solve that in bitcoin there is only trust.

They have given you several solutions, I just used common sense, or some life experience, street, this is not rocket science, don't get complicated with something so simple.

Trust is a priority in bitcoin for P2P, if it does not exist, channel common sense and use the tools mentioned.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 28, 2024, 03:50:11 AM

yes we're not friends, and we have a history. and there will be processing between the two transactions. i just didn't mention it because I thought it was not relevant to the question.

This is something I'm always cautious about – in general, you don't want to send money to someone you don't fully trust. The same goes for Bitcoin transactions.

If using a trusted escrow service isn't an option for both of you, then maybe you can try a smaller, incremental approach. For instance, you could send $50 worth of Bitcoin first, and then they could send $100 back. It might mean a few more transaction fees, but at least in the worst-case scenario, neither of you would be risking a big amount.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on March 27, 2024, 11:43:18 AM

This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another.

Of course, I just don't understand what he wants. If he and his friend trust each other, they can make transactions between them, but the transactions he proposes to make are a bit strange. Using an intermediary, which would have to be a trusted escrow, otherwise there is a risk of losing the money, is usually when there is not enough trust between the two parties.

And adding a escrow also costs money, as he will charge for the service.

Maybe they aren't friends?

Maybe there is also more to the service that the OP has yet to explain. As it's stated on the last part, "an account they can send $900" into which they will get back after the completion of the transaction, could they be dealing in some kind of business that they don't want to share details about?

I don't get why someone can just decide to send transactions to one another for no reason, wasting the fees that it will cost them for each transaction.

yes we're not friends, and we have a history. and there will be processing between the two transactions. i just didn't mention it because I thought it was not relevant to the question.

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Welcome to bitcointalk platform. I will commend you for taking this bold steps coming here and also presenting or having such offer here. Be rest assured that you are on the right track. I believe you must have heard about this platform elsewhere to have come here with such a deal.

As you can see for yourself, members already proffered solutions and ideas to you and you can choose from them any that suits your requirement and I would also advise you clearly state your requirements or you check out for the requirements of the escrows if you can be able to meet up with their conditions.

Here's a link to some notable and reputable escrow services with track records as initially provided by members.
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Quote from: franky1 on March 27, 2024, 01:47:14 PM

just use a multisig

both sides send a public address to each other
use those addresses to create a 2 of 2 multisig
(if you want 2 multisig addresses(escrows) both sides create 2 public addresses each and share them to create 2 multisigs)

fund the multisig and then when its funded you both have to decide on the destination(s) and amount of the fund(s) which you then both sign for

no middle man needed. just each other being co-signers to make sure it only leaves the multisig when both sides are happy with destination and amount and time to let it be spent

in short you both become your own escrow

That sounds interesting.
But unsure if I understand.
So you use multisig to release the escrow?
Can you use multisig to create two transactions at once?
, but I don't understand how you solve the problem that one deposit is released by one party, and the other is not

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Quote from: pooya87 on March 28, 2024, 02:39:43 AM

If I understood your question correctly, you don't need to use an escrow at all.
You both want to send some coins to a destination, right? Lets say you want to send 1BTC and your partner wants to send 2BTC. So you can easily create a transaction that has an output with the total 3BTC, then include your own input(s) in it with the total being 1BTC and sign each input using the ANYONECANPAY sighash. Then the other party can also sign it using the same sighash while adding their own input(s) with the total being 2BTC.

Keep in mind that the transaction itself remains invalid until the sum of all inputs surpasses the total of 3BTC.

Other details may be needed like what the destination is (one or more addresses) or its type (like using 2-of-2 multisig) and stuff like that which depends on what it is you are trying to do.

Sounds interesting, but I don't quite understand. We don't want to send our coin to the same address, but to each other's address

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on March 27, 2024, 11:43:18 AM

This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another.

Of course, I just don't understand what he wants. If he and his friend trust each other, they can make transactions between them, but the transactions he proposes to make are a bit strange. Using an intermediary, which would have to be a trusted escrow, otherwise there is a risk of losing the money, is usually when there is not enough trust between the two parties.

This has a history, but there's no trust. But we need these transactions to be made. The problem is my partner won't trust a person he doesn't know with $1800. Are the escrow wallets setup as multisig?

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If I understood your question correctly, you don't need to use an escrow at all.
You both want to send some coins to a destination, right? Lets say you want to send 1BTC and your partner wants to send 2BTC. So you can easily create a transaction that has an output with the total 3BTC, then include your own input(s) in it with the total being 1BTC and sign each input using the ANYONECANPAY sighash. Then the other party can also sign it using the same sighash while adding their own input(s) with the total being 2BTC.

Keep in mind that the transaction itself remains invalid until the sum of all inputs surpasses the total of 3BTC.

Other details may be needed like what the destination is (one or more addresses) or its type (like using 2-of-2 multisig) and stuff like that which depends on what it is you are trying to do.

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Quote from: franky1 on March 27, 2024, 01:47:14 PM

just use a multisig

both sides send a public address to each other
use those addresses to create a 2 of 2 multisig
(if you want 2 multisig addresses(escrows) both sides create 2 public addresses each and share them to create 2 multisigs)

fund the multisig and then when its funded you both have to decide on the destination(s) and amount of the fund(s) which you then both sign for

no middle man needed. just each other being co-signers to make sure it only leaves the multisig when both sides are happy with destination and amount and time to let it be spent

in short you both become your own escrow

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:41:44 AM

There are several trusted escrows in the forum that you could use, what I see unnecessary is to make both transactions and also use the escrow. You could specify what you want to send him $400 for and then get back $900. Normally payments are made in exchange for a good or service, not back and forth like playing games.

Yes of course this situation has a history that I didn't explain here. Also before the second transaction happens, the receiving party has to initiate a conversion process. But because it is not relevant for what we have to do, I didn't mention.

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Quote from: franky1 on March 27, 2024, 01:47:14 PM

no middle man needed. just each other being co-signers to make sure it only leaves the multisig when both sides are happy with destination and amount and time to let it be spent

in short you both become your own escrow

It's only work if both of them don't have any problem, but if one of them is a scammer, the other ones will become a victim because he has no way to get back his coins. Unlike having third party intermediary who can evaluate and judge which one is wrong and right.

Quote from: seoincorporation on March 27, 2024, 12:12:43 PM

But i don't get the point at all about what are you trying to do, if this process is for building trust then you don't need the escrow because that breaks the idea about building trust between your partner and you.

As big as you can trust someone, trust no one. This is about money, probably you think $400-$900 is not much i.e. you can afford to lose, but in many countries it's worth like 6 months salary.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

Edit: To clarify: "the partner" is just a person I met on the internet, there is no trust relationship between the two uf us. It is in both our interests that this sequence of transaction will take place as described.

What is purpose of the trade with value at $900 to deposit it to an exchange account, yours or your friend's account?

You sends $400 and where it goes to? You didn't write destination of the $400.
Your partner sends $900 to you.

And at the end, there is a sending transaction at $900 to an exchange account. I am confusing here. Who will be a person to send $900 to that account, you or your friend?

I assume the deal is you and your partner will contribute $400 and $500, and the net $900 will be sent to that exchange account, is it like that?

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on March 27, 2024, 11:43:18 AM

This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another.

No he's not a friend. There is no mutual trust. I clarified in the original post.

Of course, I just don't understand what he wants. If he and his friend trust each other, they can make transactions between them, but the transactions he proposes to make are a bit strange. Using an intermediary, which would have to be a trusted escrow, otherwise there is a risk of losing the money, is usually when there is not enough trust between the two parties.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC.
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That offer in itself sounds too good to be true, so you have to ask yourself, what's the catch? Are there any other actions or requirements between these transactions? Or do you really expect someone to send you $900 in return for your $400?

As others have already suggested, your best option is to use trusted escrow.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions. How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

If you have BTC knowledge, then you do not need a 'trusted intermediary' or an escrow. You can set up your own 2 of 2 multisig wallet, of which either of you will hold a key to this wallet, whenever a tx is created, and it is fine by the both of you, then you both sign the tx and broadcast it to the network, sending it to the destination address. Take note that you should know what you are doing when setting up a multisig wallet, so you don't make a costly mistake.

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just use a multisig

both sides send a public address to each other
use those addresses to create a 2 of 2 multisig
(if you want 2 multisig addresses(escrows) both sides create 2 public addresses each and share them to create 2 multisigs)

fund the multisig and then when its funded you both have to decide on the destination(s) and amount of the fund(s) which you then both sign for

no middle man needed. just each other being co-signers to make sure it only leaves the multisig when both sides are happy with destination and amount and time to let it be spent

in short you both become your own escrow

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Quote from: bitmover on March 27, 2024, 11:54:08 AM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on March 27, 2024, 11:43:18 AM

This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another.

Of course, I just don't understand what he wants. If he and his friend trust each other, they can make transactions between them, but the transactions he proposes to make are a bit strange. Using an intermediary, which would have to be a trusted escrow, otherwise there is a risk of losing the money, is usually when there is not enough trust between the two parties.

And adding a escrow also costs money, as he will charge for the service.

Maybe they aren't friends?

Maybe there is also more to the service that the OP has yet to explain. As it's stated on the last part, "an account they can send $900" into which they will get back after the completion of the transaction, could they be dealing in some kind of business that they don't want to share details about?

I don't get why someone can just decide to send transactions to one another for no reason, wasting the fees that it will cost them for each transaction.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

So far no way to do this, except using/paying reputable escrow service

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

You have some ways to solve this problem, like finding a suitable agent that you both can trust and placing your funds into his account and once the requirements are met the funds will be returned. If you don't trust that dude then set up a multi-signature wallet with each other I hope you already know how it works (if you set 2 keys then to make a TX you need both of them, one will be yours and the other will be your partners) the risk in here is if any of the both lost the key or won't cooperate then things will become bumpy for both of you.

3rd way is if you don't want to do this with each other then use multi sig option with a suitable agent in this way none of the three (you, your partner, and the agent) can fly away with the money. Another way is to use some platforms like LocalBitcoins which I heard has there own built-in escrow service and Paxful too. You can use these or the best option is to prefer an agent from this forum, but check their trusts before making a trade, and fees as well.

Bitcointalk Escrows - Trade Safely! this thread might help you.

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Better to explain this in private to the escrow you will choose on the threads mentioned below. I'm sure the chosen escrow can think what's the best things to do. You can direct PM them if who are currently available.

Quote from: Findingnemo on March 27, 2024, 12:02:13 PM

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

What you need is an escrow service. With that you can send the BTC to a 3rd party who both of you trust and he should send the $900 back.

But i don't get the point at all about what are you trying to do, if this process is for building trust then you don't need the escrow because that breaks the idea about building trust between your partner and you.

Another option is to share a signed transaction as collateral, in the scenario where someone decides to not send the coins back then you can take them by broadcasting the transaction. But it still a double-edged sword.

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Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

Using a trusted third party as an intermediary is just going to add extra cost to the value of your transaction which is a loss that can be saved if you can make a trustworthy trade partner and engage in dealing with him.

If you still need escrows then here are some threads

1.Recommended bitcointalk escrow services
2.Few Trusted Escrow Providers

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Quote from: bitmover on March 27, 2024, 11:54:08 AM

And adding a escrow also costs money, as he will charge for the service.

Maybe they aren't friends?

Yes, it also costs money, so maybe as he says 'partner' instead of 'friend' there is not enough trust between them and that's why he is raising this. But he's online, he could clarify a little bit and not leave us speculating here.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on March 27, 2024, 11:43:18 AM

This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another.

Of course, I just don't understand what he wants. If he and his friend trust each other, they can make transactions between them, but the transactions he proposes to make are a bit strange. Using an intermediary, which would have to be a trusted escrow, otherwise there is a risk of losing the money, is usually when there is not enough trust between the two parties.

And adding a escrow also costs money, as he will charge for the service.

Maybe they aren't friends?

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Quote from: Frankolala on March 27, 2024, 11:43:18 AM

This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another.

Of course, I just don't understand what he wants. If he and his friend trust each other, they can make transactions between them, but the transactions he proposes to make are a bit strange. Using an intermediary, which would have to be a trusted escrow, otherwise there is a risk of losing the money, is usually when there is not enough trust between the two parties.

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This is funny. Since you trust your friend, why not send directly to his wallet and he also send directly to your wallet and after that you guys can send it back to one another. There are trusted Escrow in this forum but you must pay for the service.

If you and your friend is not buying or paying for any goods or services, then it is better that you keep your bitcoin in your wallets and wait till you want to use it to pay for goods and services. This is because there will be a transaction fee you would pay for every transfer that you and your friend make.

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You can make use of any reputable escrow service providers on this forum.

Quote from: Gatinueta on March 27, 2024, 11:39:03 AM

To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.

There is nothing like trust in life. Do not be fooled by it. Always do it like business.

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 27, 2024, 11:41:44 AM

There are several trusted escrows in the forum that you could use, what I see unnecessary is to make both transactions and also use the escrow. You could specify what you want to send him $400 for and then refund $900. Normally payments are made in exchange for a good or service, not back and forth like playing games.

These are the trusted escrow service providers on this forum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/few-trusted-escrow-providers-5047302

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There are several trusted escrows in the forum that you could use, what I see unnecessary is to make both transactions and also use the escrow. You could specify what you want to send him $400 for and then get back $900. Normally payments are made in exchange for a good or service, not back and forth like playing games.

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Me and my partner want to engage in a sequence of Bitcoin transactions. The first transaction involves me sending $400 in BTC, and the second transaction involves my partner sending me $900 in BTC. To establish trust, both of us are willing to deposit $900 in BTC into an account, which will be returned to us after the completion of the transactions.
How should we proceed? How do we find a trusted intermediary?

Edit: To clarify: "the partner" is just a person I met on the internet, there is no trust relationship between the two uf us. It is in both our interests that this sequence of transaction will take place as described.

Thanks a lot for your inputs!

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