Topic: OTC options trading for BTC/USD (Read 7781 times)
Curious to know..what distribution of returns are you consider for your premium calculation?
Is anyone interested now?
You can buy BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 250 USD if you pay 23/36/46 USD now.
You can sell BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 200 USD if you pay 25/36/45 USD now.
You can sell BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 200 USD if you pay 25/36/45 USD now.
You can buy BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 250 USD if you pay 29/42/52 USD now.
You can sell BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 200 USD if you pay 25/36/45 USD now.
You can sell BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 200 USD if you pay 25/36/45 USD now.
You can buy BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 250 USD if you pay 27/39/49 USD now.
You can sell BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 200 USD if you pay 27/38/49 USD now.
You can sell BTC on Jun/Jul/Aug 1st for 200 USD if you pay 27/38/49 USD now.
SELL 1 CALL MAY 300 @ 12 DAY
SELL 1 CALL MAY 250 @ 23 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 200 @ 22 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 150 @ 6 DAY
SELL 1 CALL MAY 250 @ 23 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 200 @ 22 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 150 @ 6 DAY
SELL 1 CALL MAY 350 @ 16 DAY
SELL 1 CALL MAY 300 @ 26 DAY
SELL 1 CALL MAY 250 @ 42 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 200 @ 22 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 150 @ 6 DAY
SELL 1 CALL MAY 300 @ 26 DAY
SELL 1 CALL MAY 250 @ 42 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 200 @ 22 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 150 @ 6 DAY
It's OTC...
Give me strike price, expiration, call or put and I will give you bid/offer.
Price if for 1 contract. I contract = 1 BTC. If you need several contracts - price will be different.
Read first post in this thread - it has explanations.
200 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 14 = You can buy option to sell 1 BTC at 2015/05/31 for 200 USD. This option will cost you 14 USD
Give me strike price, expiration, call or put and I will give you bid/offer.
Price if for 1 contract. I contract = 1 BTC. If you need several contracts - price will be different.
Read first post in this thread - it has explanations.
200 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 14 = You can buy option to sell 1 BTC at 2015/05/31 for 200 USD. This option will cost you 14 USD
250 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 34
200 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 14
150 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 3
Do you offer CALL options to and what is the price mentioned, for example in "200 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 14" is the 14 price 14 btc for the right to sell 100 btc @200$/btc or is that 14 usd per option to sell 1 btc @200$/btc or something else ? 200 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 14
150 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 3
250 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 34
200 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 14
150 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 3
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EDIT:
SELL 1 PUT MAY 250 @ 34 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 200 @ 14 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 150 @ 3 DAY
200 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 14
150 PUT 2015/05/31 @ 3
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EDIT:
SELL 1 PUT MAY 250 @ 34 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 200 @ 14 DAY
SELL 1 PUT MAY 150 @ 3 DAY
Any interest now?
Ideal trust no one. But Theymos has been involved in more than one scam and has abused his power. No one will but n00bs will trust this/him.
I'm new here. May I ask what he's done?
5 JUN
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 1.4 2.9
90 2.3 4.8
95 3.5 7.4
5.2 10.8 100 5.1 10.7
3.8 8.0 105
2.8 5.8 110
2.0 4.1 115
1.4 2.9 120
1.0 2.0 125
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 1.4 2.9
90 2.3 4.8
95 3.5 7.4
5.2 10.8 100 5.1 10.7
3.8 8.0 105
2.8 5.8 110
2.0 4.1 115
1.4 2.9 120
1.0 2.0 125
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 4.6 9.5
90 6.0 12.4
95 7.5 15.6
9.5 19.7 100 9.3 19.3
8.2 17.0 105
7.0 14.6 110
6.0 12.5 115
5.1 10.7 120
4.4 9.1 125
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 4.6 9.5
90 6.0 12.4
95 7.5 15.6
9.5 19.7 100 9.3 19.3
8.2 17.0 105
7.0 14.6 110
6.0 12.5 115
5.1 10.7 120
4.4 9.1 125
5 JUN
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 1.2 2.5
90 1.9 4.0
95 2.9 6.1
100 4.1 8.6
7.5 15.6 105 5.6 11.7
6.0 12.5 110
4.8 9.9 115
3.7 7.8 120
2.9 6.0 125
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 1.2 2.5
90 1.9 4.0
95 2.9 6.1
100 4.1 8.6
7.5 15.6 105 5.6 11.7
6.0 12.5 110
4.8 9.9 115
3.7 7.8 120
2.9 6.0 125
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 3.6 8.3
90 4.6 10.8
95 5.9 13.7
100 7.3 17.0
10.7 25.0 105 8.9 20.7
9.4 22.0 110
8.3 19.3 115
7.3 16.9 120
6.3 14.8 125
Bid Ask Bid Ask
85 3.6 8.3
90 4.6 10.8
95 5.9 13.7
100 7.3 17.0
10.7 25.0 105 8.9 20.7
9.4 22.0 110
8.3 19.3 115
7.3 16.9 120
6.3 14.8 125
Ideal trust no one. But Theymos has been involved in more than one scam and has abused his power. No one will but n00bs will trust this/him.
And I remember you were one of pirate's biggest proponents.
But but but! He's taken like a few months off and everything! How could you not have forgotten that?
Well, at least you've forgotten all about his imaginary mining op in which he sold shares but never managed to post a pic thereof or anything. You have forgotten, right?
Ideal trust no one. But Theymos has been involved in more than one scam and has abused his power. No one will but n00bs will trust this/him.
And I remember you were one of pirate's biggest proponents.
JUN 5
JUL 5
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
75 1.6 3.2
80 2.5 5.2
85 3.7 7.7
90 5.2 10.9
5.2 10.8 95 7.0 14.6
4.0 8.3 100
3.1 6.3 105
2.3 4.8 110
1.7 3.6 115
Bid Ask Bid Ask
75 1.6 3.2
80 2.5 5.2
85 3.7 7.7
90 5.2 10.9
5.2 10.8 95 7.0 14.6
4.0 8.3 100
3.1 6.3 105
2.3 4.8 110
1.7 3.6 115
JUL 5
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
75 3.7 8.6
80 4.9 11.4
85 6.3 14.6
90 7.8 18.3
8.0 18.6 95 9.6 22.3
6.9 16.1 100
5.9 13.8 105
5.1 11.9 110
4.4 10.2 115
Bid Ask Bid Ask
75 3.7 8.6
80 4.9 11.4
85 6.3 14.6
90 7.8 18.3
8.0 18.6 95 9.6 22.3
6.9 16.1 100
5.9 13.8 105
5.1 11.9 110
4.4 10.2 115
5 JUN
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 2.6 5.4
105 3.6 7.4
110 4.8 10.0
115 6.2 12.9
8.7 18.0 120 7.9 16.3
7.3 15.1 125
6.0 12.5 130
5.0 10.4 135
4.1 8.6 140
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 2.6 5.4
105 3.6 7.4
110 4.8 10.0
115 6.2 12.9
8.7 18.0 120 7.9 16.3
7.3 15.1 125
6.0 12.5 130
5.0 10.4 135
4.1 8.6 140
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 5.3 12.3
105 6.5 15.1
110 7.9 18.3
115 9.4 21.8
11.9 27.7 120 11.0 25.6
10.6 24.8 125
9.5 22.2 130
8.5 19.9 135
7.6 17.7 140
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 5.3 12.3
105 6.5 15.1
110 7.9 18.3
115 9.4 21.8
11.9 27.7 120 11.0 25.6
10.6 24.8 125
9.5 22.2 130
8.5 19.9 135
7.6 17.7 140
I wanted to assume a price of 280 for the last friday of July and estimate what this particular call option at strike 140 would be worth.
You can't assume it because number of reasons... one of them - I'm not interested in buying any JUN options with such strike. If you want to buy it - you must get quote on it..
Below is a simulation comparing your pricing with mpex.co arbitrarily on a particular call option July 140 using a price of 280 for the expiration.
PS. Not sure what you mean by "price of 280 for the expiration", I did not post my quotes for 280 strike...
I wanted to assume a price of 280 for the last friday of July and estimate what this particular call option at strike 140 would be worth.
5 JUN
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 2.7 5.7
105 3.8 7.8
110 5.0 10.4
115 6.4 13.4
8.8 18.2 120 8.1 16.8
7.4 15.4 125
6.2 12.8 130
5.1 10.7 135
4.3 8.8 140
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 2.7 5.7
105 3.8 7.8
110 5.0 10.4
115 6.4 13.4
8.8 18.2 120 8.1 16.8
7.4 15.4 125
6.2 12.8 130
5.1 10.7 135
4.3 8.8 140
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 5.4 12.5
105 6.6 15.4
110 8.0 18.6
115 9.5 22.2
11.9 27.9 120 11.1 26.0
10.7 25.0 125
9.6 22.4 130
8.6 20.0 135
7.7 17.9 140
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 5.4 12.5
105 6.6 15.4
110 8.0 18.6
115 9.5 22.2
11.9 27.9 120 11.1 26.0
10.7 25.0 125
9.6 22.4 130
8.6 20.0 135
7.7 17.9 140
Below is a simulation comparing your pricing with mpex.co arbitrarily on a particular call option July 140 using a price of 280 for the expiration.
I really don't know how to calculate MPEX prices in USD but according to my calculations is
JUL CALL 140
8.2 19.1 <- my price
6.05 68.97 <- his price
PS. Not sure what you mean by "price of 280 for the expiration", I did not post my quotes for 280 strike...
Depth will be there... right now it's in price discovery mode... I still don't know how volatility skew will look like...
BTW it's very strange nobody interested in trading options, even MPEX has no trades...
Sorry for my typo above.
Below is a simulation comparing your pricing with mpex.co arbitrarily on a particular call option July 140 using a price of 280 for the expiration.
Is it correct?
The depth however is quite significant on MPEX.
I gather that all transactions with you can be done in BTC.
Below is a simulation comparing your pricing with mpex.co arbitrarily on a particular call option July 140 using a price of 280 for the expiration.
Is it correct?
The depth however is quite significant on MPEX.
I gather that all transactions with you can be done in BTC.
Code:
USD/BTC= 121
Andrew
Call July 140
19.1USD = 0.15785124 BTC
Mpex.co
Call 140 July
O.USD.C140N
0.47648084BTC
For the exercise price used at expiration: 280
280-140=140
140/280=0.5BTC
Andrew
(0.5-0.15785124)/0.15785124=2.1675
Mpex.co
(0.5-0.47648084)/0.4764808=0.049360142
Andrew
Call July 140
19.1USD = 0.15785124 BTC
Mpex.co
Call 140 July
O.USD.C140N
0.47648084BTC
For the exercise price used at expiration: 280
280-140=140
140/280=0.5BTC
Andrew
(0.5-0.15785124)/0.15785124=2.1675
Mpex.co
(0.5-0.47648084)/0.4764808=0.049360142
I think it's great that you are offering this service.
As soon as I am able to, I will take a closer look and may well buy some contracts
As soon as I am able to, I will take a closer look and may well buy some contracts
5 JUN
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 2.7 5.6
105 3.7 7.6
110 4.9 10.1
115 6.3 13.0
120 7.9 16.4
8.0 16.7 125 9.7 20.1
6.8 14.1 130
5.7 11.8 135
4.8 9.9 140
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 2.7 5.6
105 3.7 7.6
110 4.9 10.1
115 6.3 13.0
120 7.9 16.4
8.0 16.7 125 9.7 20.1
6.8 14.1 130
5.7 11.8 135
4.8 9.9 140
5 JUL
Code:
CALL PUT
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 5.3 12.3
105 6.5 15.1
110 7.8 18.2
115 9.3 21.7
120 10.9 25.4
11.3 26.4 125 12.6 29.5
10.2 23.7 130
9.1 21.3 135
8.2 19.1 140
Bid Ask Bid Ask
100 5.3 12.3
105 6.5 15.1
110 7.8 18.2
115 9.3 21.7
120 10.9 25.4
11.3 26.4 125 12.6 29.5
10.2 23.7 130
9.1 21.3 135
8.2 19.1 140
CALL JUN
| Price | Bid | Ask |
| 115 | 10.63 | 17.71 |
| 120 | 8.98 | 14.96 |
| 125 | 7.54 | 12.57 |
| 130 | 6.31 | 10.51 |
| 135 | 5.25 | 8.74 |
| 140 | 4.35 | 7.24 |
| 145 | 3.59 | 5.98 |
SELL 5 PUT JUN 115 @ 12
I was going to reply but I see you use Ripple.
If I trust somebody I can use Ripple with him.
BUY 10 CALL JUL 200
You should state price if you want to buy... If you want just to get prices don't put BUY word
$10/$30 - $10 if you want sell it to me, $30 - if you want to buy it from me.
PS. It's total price for 10 contracts
I was going to reply but I see you use Ripple.
BUY 10 CALL JUL 200
okay, once you get going, ill keep you in mind. thanks
10 btc is not really worth the effort for me.
10 btc is not really worth the effort for me.
It will depend on my exposure, I can scale up to 100 contracts time to time... Just watch the thread for updates. I will post my orders here.
Well, i might be interested if you do find someone who can be trusted.
Make proposition who suites you...
I am highly interested in 6 month to 1 year put options around $100 BTC. Maybe 1,000 or more BTC per option. Can you do this volume? Can you put cash in escrow?
No... it's too much for me right now... Come later when I will have enough investors. Right now I can handle up to 10 BTC contracts
Okay, say I want calls struck at 130 USD/BTC with expiry on June 28. What's the price?
Price is for 1 BTC contract $6.16/$10.26. Price is valid for 2 minutes.
Okay, say I want calls struck at 130 USD/BTC with expiry on June 28. What's the price?
BTW, MPEx allows you to market make, thus solving the third party problem. Likewise, Bitfunder offers possibility to write options on FIAT.* assets. But no, you had to chose a boy that seems already freaked out from having too much responsibility over forum's donations....
There is no price list... it OTC (over the counter) - means you tell me what do you want to trade and I tell you bid/ask for it. After it you either take it or leave it.
Alternately, you can put you option position and price you willing to get/pay and I will take it or leave it.
BTW, MPEx allows you to market make, thus solving the third party problem. Likewise, Bitfunder offers possibility to write options on FIAT.* assets. But no, you had to chose a boy that seems already freaked out from having too much responsibility over forum's donations....
Nice! Is the pricelist public?
There is no price list... it OTC (over the counter) - means you tell me what do you want to trade and I tell you bid/ask for it. After it you either take it or leave it.
Alternately, you can put you option position and price you willing to get/pay and I will take it or leave it.
Ideal trust no one. But Theymos has been involved in more than one scam and has abused his power. No one will but n00bs will trust this/him.
I think I missed a lot during last year... But I'm sure I will be able to find decent person to be third party
3. Theymos will be the third party arbiter if any disputes arise.
Why not use someone who is trusted?
If Theymos is not trusted member than I don't know who is... Anyway, who are the candidates in your eyes?
Nice! Is the pricelist public?
There is no price list... it OTC (over the counter) - means you tell me what do you want to trade and I tell you bid/ask for it. After it you either take it or leave it.
Alternately, you can put you option position and price you willing to get/pay and I will take it or leave it.
Why not use someone who is trusted?
Nice! Is the pricelist public?
My name is Andrew Vorobyov (LinkedIn#1 and LinkedIn#2 and Bitrated)
I'm offering OTC (over the counter) options trading for BTC/USD.
Why trade options:
1. Hedge your BTC positions - you can buy PUTs (insurance) from price declines or you can buy CALLs to protect your loaned BTC from sudden rally.
2. You can trade up, down and sideways - did you know you can earn money if BTC does not move.
3. Risk is limited - you can create strategies where your maximum risk is predefined.
4. Capital effectiveness - you don't need to pay full price of bitcoin to enjoy upside potential.
5. Dividends income - by selling covered CALLs you will make Bitcoin to pay dividends for you, did you know it?
Why trade with me:
1. Complex structures as one trade - you don't have to buy each leg separately for butterflies or iron condors anymore.
2. Best prices available - go to MPEX.co and see how much he is charging then come back to me.
3. Theymos will be the third party arbiter if any disputes arise.
If you are not sure what strategy to take or don't know about options a lot - just post your thoughts here so I and other forum members can help you with it.
You can also start by reading basics at http://www.optionseducation.org/strategies_advanced_concepts/strategies/getting_started.html
If you want to be real ace in options trading go http://www.optionabc.com - it has all you need to become pro options trader
How it works?
According to the convention:
Getting quotes - Just write 5 CALL JUN 130 ( means 5 BTC contract expiring June of this year with $130 strike price ) and I will reply with bid/ask, 6.16/10.26
Sending orders - All orders are limit orders
Structured orders - All orders are limit orders
Rules:
Let me know if you have any questions about it
Andrew
I'm offering OTC (over the counter) options trading for BTC/USD.
Why trade options:
1. Hedge your BTC positions - you can buy PUTs (insurance) from price declines or you can buy CALLs to protect your loaned BTC from sudden rally.
2. You can trade up, down and sideways - did you know you can earn money if BTC does not move.
3. Risk is limited - you can create strategies where your maximum risk is predefined.
4. Capital effectiveness - you don't need to pay full price of bitcoin to enjoy upside potential.
5. Dividends income - by selling covered CALLs you will make Bitcoin to pay dividends for you, did you know it?
Why trade with me:
1. Complex structures as one trade - you don't have to buy each leg separately for butterflies or iron condors anymore.
2. Best prices available - go to MPEX.co and see how much he is charging then come back to me.
3. Theymos will be the third party arbiter if any disputes arise.
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If you are not sure what strategy to take or don't know about options a lot - just post your thoughts here so I and other forum members can help you with it.
You can also start by reading basics at http://www.optionseducation.org/strategies_advanced_concepts/strategies/getting_started.html
If you want to be real ace in options trading go http://www.optionabc.com - it has all you need to become pro options trader
How it works?
According to the convention:
Getting quotes - Just write 5 CALL JUN 130 ( means 5 BTC contract expiring June of this year with $130 strike price ) and I will reply with bid/ask, 6.16/10.26
Sending orders - All orders are limit orders
Code:
BUY 5 CALL JUN 130 @ 9.54 DAY - means I want to buy 5 CALL contracts expiring June with $130 strike price at $9.54 each and order is valid till midnight
SELL 10 STRADDLE JUN 120 @ 24 HOUR 2 - means I want to SELL 10 CALLs and 10 PUTs contracts expiring June with $120 strike price at $24 each and order is valid for 2 hours
CANCEL 5 CALL JUN 130 @ 9.54 DAY - means I want to cancel my existing order
SELL 10 STRADDLE JUN 120 @ 24 HOUR 2 - means I want to SELL 10 CALLs and 10 PUTs contracts expiring June with $120 strike price at $24 each and order is valid for 2 hours
CANCEL 5 CALL JUN 130 @ 9.54 DAY - means I want to cancel my existing order
Structured orders - All orders are limit orders
Code:
BUY 5 CALL 120/130 @ 4.15 HOUR - means I want to buy 5 contracts of 120/130 CALL spread expiring June for $4.15 per contract
SELL 5 CONDOR 100/105/135/140 @ 2 DAY - means I want to sell 5 contracts of condor for $2 per contract and order is valid till midnight
BUY 1 BUTTERFLY 120/125/135 @ -0.5 - means I want to buy 1 contract of broken wing butterfly for $0.5 credit
SELL 5 CONDOR 100/105/135/140 @ 2 DAY - means I want to sell 5 contracts of condor for $2 per contract and order is valid till midnight
BUY 1 BUTTERFLY 120/125/135 @ -0.5 - means I want to buy 1 contract of broken wing butterfly for $0.5 credit
Rules:
- All orders are limit orders
- Expiration price is weighted average price during the day at Friday to Saturday midnight of the last Friday of the month on the exchange that had the biggest volume during the week
- Settlement is made during next 3 banking days
- Options can be cash settled (any payment method) by mutual agreement of both parties
- If no order expiration is specified order is considered expired at midnight
- If Iron condor is possible it will be used instead of regular condor
Let me know if you have any questions about it
Andrew
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