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Quote from: panjul07 on October 13, 2018, 10:58:32 PM

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As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

Yeah, you are absolutely right!

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Quote from: Domicbora on October 16, 2018, 08:42:05 AM

Quote from: maydna on October 14, 2018, 02:42:48 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

I am sure that there is a way to prevent someone to do that thing especially if you are admin of the site. You will not have any problem to detect people who are trying to creating multiple accounts and abusing faucet. You can make some limitations for every user especially for people who are coming from the same IP, you can reduce the rewards of the faucet, or if someone caught abusing the faucet, then you can ban his IP. I am sure that you will find a good way to make sure your site secure from the abuse.

I think you are still making people punished for what the abusers are doing. Yes people who do not invest at all and do not deposit to it usually are not the type of people you want however back in the day when I first started gambling couple years ago I loved the faucets because there was a real chance that I grind that to withdrawal amount without depositing any single cent to it, that hooked me to the game, of course I have never managed to do that but whenever I lost I got closer to depositing and eventually deposited one day and ever since than I deposit and play with real money. Faucets was the one that got me hooked, if it was play money back in that day maybe I wouldn't be a gambler today.

You are right Domicbora, faucet really hooks people, let me explain for others why this happens: When you register and play with faucet, sometimes luckily you win, you can win so much to be able to withdraw but this happens very rarely. When you see that you won 0.002 bitcoin with 0.00001 bitcoin, you think that you are smart enough to win much from 0.01 right? Yeah, so when you won 0.002 btc. you decided to withdraw it. Then you begin playing with faicet again, seems you don't win so much to withdraw, so you deposit your 0.002 won. Then you lose it, then you deposit 0.02 in order to win 0.002 and grow your chances of prodit. Then you win or lose but finally you lose, that's all.

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Quote from: maydna on October 14, 2018, 02:42:48 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

I am sure that there is a way to prevent someone to do that thing especially if you are admin of the site. You will not have any problem to detect people who are trying to creating multiple accounts and abusing faucet. You can make some limitations for every user especially for people who are coming from the same IP, you can reduce the rewards of the faucet, or if someone caught abusing the faucet, then you can ban his IP. I am sure that you will find a good way to make sure your site secure from the abuse.

I think you are still making people punished for what the abusers are doing. Yes people who do not invest at all and do not deposit to it usually are not the type of people you want however back in the day when I first started gambling couple years ago I loved the faucets because there was a real chance that I grind that to withdrawal amount without depositing any single cent to it, that hooked me to the game, of course I have never managed to do that but whenever I lost I got closer to depositing and eventually deposited one day and ever since than I deposit and play with real money. Faucets was the one that got me hooked, if it was play money back in that day maybe I wouldn't be a gambler today.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on October 14, 2018, 12:37:42 AM

Quote from: panjul07 on October 13, 2018, 10:58:32 PM

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As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

When this system is applied on new gambling sites today even on older ones then it can really reduce abusers but i do still see some disadvantages where a possible site player will lose interest due he cant test out the site for free because of that initial deposit but these are only on small chances and its much better to get rid of these abusers and would really be helpful for gambling site owners. We are building on making profits not on building a charity so any type or abuse wont really be tolerated.

They said that they were adding PLAY MONEY for testing purposes. So, no interest will be lost on this account.

Faucet abuse is one of the biggest problems for gambling sites and it has been discussed in many threads here. I myself try to propose various ideas for solving it from time to time. Just today I thought about at least a partial solution. What if creating a database with verified gamblers can help? I mean, gamblers who were making deposits and were wagering high amounts on other sites should be trusted as human players (not bots), and thus should be allowed to use the faucet without any additional requirements. The advantage of this approach would be that a new site could immediately attract real gamblers to play on it, rather than attracting abusers as is often the case.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

I am sure that there is a way to prevent someone to do that thing especially if you are admin of the site. You will not have any problem to detect people who are trying to creating multiple accounts and abusing faucet. You can make some limitations for every user especially for people who are coming from the same IP, you can reduce the rewards of the faucet, or if someone caught abusing the faucet, then you can ban his IP. I am sure that you will find a good way to make sure your site secure from the abuse.

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Quote from: panjul07 on October 13, 2018, 10:58:32 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

When this system is applied on new gambling sites today even on older ones then it can really reduce abusers but i do still see some disadvantages where a possible site player will lose interest due he cant test out the site for free because of that initial deposit but these are only on small chances and its much better to get rid of these abusers and would really be helpful for gambling site owners. We are building on making profits not on building a charity so any type or abuse wont really be tolerated.

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As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

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Quote from: axicron on July 20, 2018, 07:22:19 AM

You can create your own currency which will be available on your site only so the faucet gives it. Or if you want it to be "real" you can limit some betting options such as win multiplier to avoid accident x1000 wins.

That won't change anything. Your currency will also be abused by farmers and you will have to make sure it's worth something or you will not only make the abusers quit farming but everyone else. It's very hard to keep things in balance. If you make the faucet to difficult to access with accounts and verification people won't be using it. Make it too easy to abuse and they will farm the shit out of it.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

You can't. There is absolutely no way to protect that aside from IP restriction. Which would actually help out because its harder to spoof your IP compared to just logging out and logging with another account. Even tho you can make it harder for them to abuse it, if you are giving out FREE money to people in the end there will always be people who will try to abuse that right.

However if you make the faucet small enough and the withdraw amount big enough just like primedice than it would be harder for them to withdraw and makes it useless. So, two things you can do to at least slow it down and make it tiny ; make it IP restricted and make it 100 times lower than the withdraw amount.

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You can create your own currency which will be available on your site only so the faucet gives it. Or if you want it to be "real" you can limit some betting options such as win multiplier to avoid accident x1000 wins.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Give the user a bonus even for such a low amount he's gone to such great lengths, now getting serious there's a simple solution get professional service, you could use ipqualityscore check all IP address and block people having same address, also yiu could use cron to do it, just set it up and it'll take care. It's a one time thing and should solve your problem.

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I'm really wondering what people are actually attempting to abuse these faucets. They could make much more money doing almost anything else.

I agree it's a shame but there will always be abusers, sometimes we just have to live with it.

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Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

If you this no one will play on your gambling site lol. Gamblers hate KYC and will leave your site if you apply that.

How about decrease the amount of faucet to 100 satoshi or 10 satoshi to make the abusers stop and once it stop, increase the faucet again to the normal. If it still happened, just block the ip everytime the abuser comeback. Or you can block the withdrawal if the player only play from faucet.

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You can create up to 5 accounts with one user, it will not be unprofitable for you i think.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Never thought that this is still a problem since there is a lot of sites now that counter that kind of abused. I still remember in the past where gamblers online usually abuse the faucets, it is the same in the way earning money on sites that you can refer people by just answering surveys.

I don't want KYC since gamblers love the anonymity the reason they are gambling online. I would keep their anonymity but in at the same case, I will be blocking users of VPN and Tor users. I also agree that KYC must only be used when the owner find something suspicious on a gambler's win.

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Quote from: JL421 on June 20, 2018, 02:30:36 PM

Quote from: TheUltraElite on June 20, 2018, 09:50:56 AM

Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

Do that and you wont have a single customer who would join your casino if you even become the owner of one.

1. IP scans wont be able to detect the users who are circumventing IP ban using VPNs. There have been a number of such cases on several casino sites and these abusers were tracked and whack-a-mole'd.
2. KYC goes against the original ideas of crypto. Crypto gives anonymity while KYC takes it away form them.

That irony 'kyc takes anonymity from the user' you do realize the site which is there in your signature also follows the same thing which you would wanna avoid. Funny part even though you are aware that kyc shouldn't be asked from customers you are still promoting such a site which makes it mandatory if someone makes a profit

Asking KYC for your customers is not that really necessary when it involves making profit and the owner should respect that too or else they won't have more customer to visit on their site. KYC is best only in casinos because they will see that person in their building but when talking about anonymity, you better erase that KYC thing.

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Quote from: jhongzjhong on June 22, 2018, 02:24:29 PM

In this case, implementing KYC is the best option to avoid that abusers on your gambling site, they must be filled up the form before joining from your site. I don't have experience on this but technically most of the site now was implementing KYC, i don't know if some people like this but if your site was profitable to them they keep coming. Another thing that you can avoid is higher the amount they can withdraw not like the same amount on the faucet.

Quote from: onnz423 on June 22, 2018, 01:55:38 PM

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1. Prevent sign ups from temporarily email domains
2. Block all VPNS/Tor/Sock5
3. Restrict accounts to 1 per IP address, but don't make this rule public knowledge otherwise it will be circumvented.

I would rather suggest the number 1 and 2.

But you won't attract new players if you have KYC. Most of crypto gamblers want is to stay anonymous and that factor also attract them. For me, KYC should only be applied if the owner find a suspicious win. Just limit the claim and lower it to 10sats maybe.

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Quote from: kurian on July 19, 2018, 02:47:27 PM

Restrict IP to one per household. Make some wagering requirements to start claiming from the faucet means, player should make at least one transaction.

That and pherhaps valid email as well / 2fa must have.
So you won't get a ghost town of fake Players everywhere.

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Restrict IP to one per household. Make some wagering requirements to start claiming from the faucet means, player should make at least one transaction.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Simple, which you should make ip restrictions where it could only claim certain times of faucet on a single day. Ive seen some sites do even give out 0.01- 0.025 mbtc per claim and it is on once per hour but do have max claim of 5x per day per account. Having these kind of limits will surely cut out that kind of abuse but expect it wont really get rid of those people who do make use of vpn for multiple registrations.

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In this case, implementing KYC is the best option to avoid that abusers on your gambling site, they must be filled up the form before joining from your site. I don't have experience on this but technically most of the site now was implementing KYC, i don't know if some people like this but if your site was profitable to them they keep coming. Another thing that you can avoid is higher the amount they can withdraw not like the same amount on the faucet.

Quote from: onnz423 on June 22, 2018, 01:55:38 PM

snip-
1. Prevent sign ups from temporarily email domains
2. Block all VPNS/Tor/Sock5
3. Restrict accounts to 1 per IP address, but don't make this rule public knowledge otherwise it will be circumvented.

I would rather suggest the number 1 and 2.

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Every website that offers free faucet has to deal with this issue, it's normally wise to implement security measures before launching a faucet so you don't have the headache later. But there are a few simple tricks you can do that make it harder;

1. Prevent sign ups from temporarily email domains
2. Block all VPNS/Tor/Sock5
3. Restrict accounts to 1 per IP address, but don't make this rule public knowledge otherwise it will be circumvented.

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If you really want to stop this, or avoid it, what you do is to establish a limit that can be claimed before you will be forced to do KYC or some other thing that came to my attention is that instead of allowing them withdraw to their wallet, all you need is that it would be accumulating in their account on the website and won't be available for withdrawal only when certain percentage has been wagered and some level of winnings made (if possible to effect that though).

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on June 20, 2018, 09:50:56 AM

Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

Do that and you wont have a single customer who would join your casino if you even become the owner of one.

1. IP scans wont be able to detect the users who are circumventing IP ban using VPNs. There have been a number of such cases on several casino sites and these abusers were tracked and whack-a-mole'd.
2. KYC goes against the original ideas of crypto. Crypto gives anonymity while KYC takes it away form them.

That irony 'kyc takes anonymity from the user' you do realize the site which is there in your signature also follows the same thing which you would wanna avoid. Funny part even though you are aware that kyc shouldn't be asked from customers you are still promoting such a site which makes it mandatory if someone makes a profit

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There are alot of ways but still there are pros and cons every move like kyc crypto gambler seems don't like the idea but it will reduce the multiple accounts created by one user. IP restriction what if there are different family members gambling on your site so it will also lessen the users. Faucet Claiming restriction per account connected to the ip address maybe this will work.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on June 20, 2018, 09:50:56 AM

Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

Do that and you wont have a single customer who would join your casino if you even become the owner of one.

1. IP scans wont be able to detect the users who are circumventing IP ban using VPNs. There have been a number of such cases on several casino sites and these abusers were tracked and whack-a-mole'd.
2. KYC goes against the original ideas of crypto. Crypto gives anonymity while KYC takes it away form them.

Most of the VPNs uses the repetitive IP address so we can restrict those abusers buy using IP scanner but it is impossible to stop them completely but you can reduce the scammer levels.If that site has KYC then the site may not have the customers keep interested so analyzing the each registration the IP address is the best way.

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Quote from: emberbekas on June 19, 2018, 02:49:33 AM

Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

The method will certainly help to reduce the number of faucet abusers or even the abuser can disappear altogether. But on the other hand, the number of people who will sign up to enter the site will be decreased and the site could lose the chance to get the potential gamblers. That is for sure not wanted by any gambling sites. Remove faucet and replace it with another good offer that could attract more people to come will be the better choice I guess.

This is worst scenario when someone is interested to join gambling or any faucet thing related to gambling. We have to show some wise and thin over the benefits and losses of that source. If that is more profitable for us, we must go for it without any delay. But in other case, just leave that thing. Use your mind and decide wisely what would be in favor for your future. Good luck.

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Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

Do that and you wont have a single customer who would join your casino if you even become the owner of one.

1. IP scans wont be able to detect the users who are circumventing IP ban using VPNs. There have been a number of such cases on several casino sites and these abusers were tracked and whack-a-mole'd.
2. KYC goes against the original ideas of crypto. Crypto gives anonymity while KYC takes it away form them.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Its always discouraging to see people exploiting legitimate means of advertisement in other to build the business to the point of acceptance by the community and the unwholesome part of it is that such individual won't use such faucets to play thereby totally defeat the very essence of why the faucets is launched in the first place. Its unfortunate that there is no way to stop it as every form of suggestions has a loophole that can be exploited for this selfish reason.

However, there is a potent way I would subscribe to in other to ensure the act is frustrating and that is by reducing the amount that can be claimed within the amount to the least unit of Satoshi with that, faucets abusers would be discouraged because it would mean investing much time to earn little which would make it available for newbies trying to earn and the sense of wagering to earn more, would make them visit the site to try their luck.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Your gambling site must have a system that will detect same IP registrations. I think it is being used by some gambling sites because I already experienced having banned for faucet or chat when I make a ticket to support and ask why I am banned, they checked my IP and they saw may users are attached on my IP. Although i just have 2 accounts (they allowed it) they says I have more than 2 accounts thats why they banned me.

I never use vpn by the way.

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Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

KYC wont be so good for bitcoin gambling industry. One of the main reasons why people gambling in bitcoin casino is because about the anonymity. Indeed it will be so effective to avoid abusers but it will also affect the numbers of real players as well.
I'm sure IP checking is more than enough to avoid abusers. Or simply remove the faucet for new users, give one time bonus only which is just small amount to try the site. Give more faucet to those are real wagering on the site.

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Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

The method will certainly help to reduce the number of faucet abusers or even the abuser can disappear altogether. But on the other hand, the number of people who will sign up to enter the site will be decreased and the site could lose the chance to get the potential gamblers. That is for sure not wanted by any gambling sites. Remove faucet and replace it with another good offer that could attract more people to come will be the better choice I guess.

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Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

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We decided to limit faucet three times a day and to receive it is necessary to confirm email address.

Arent you aware that you are necro-posting an old thread? Last reply was about 10 months ago but its still considered compared on making an another thread asking the same question all over again. Abuse is rampant for those gambling sites that do have faucets which isnt a new thing. Compared in the restrictions of gambling site on earlier years i would say they are more stricter nowadays compared on the past.They had learned on abusive ways and they do already get rid of it.

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We decided to limit faucet three times a day and to receive it is necessary to confirm email address.

Haha to be safer hand right. Faucets are once available like dumpyard to make 1000 satoshi and more for one free slot roll and we use to wait for 30 seconds to get the another time roll.
If the people create with the new email address again and again to make the money out of it means what will you do bro.
I advise you can reduce the faucet and number of usage limit per day.

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Quote from: michkima on July 28, 2017, 06:57:22 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Just ban their IPs and use strong ip checking security so the guys farming your faucet will be spammed with captcha and it will not be worth his time anymore.
Right now they are exploiting your website since it is profitable to faucet farm it. Block their way and you won't be bothered again for sure.

In case of dynamic IP he could ban regular users which are not farming faucets.
Raise withdrawal limit - that should help.
Or simply disable faucet.

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Now faucets pay very low amounts ,I think ,the work to create multiple accounts on faucets is not reliable.You can make a list with the best faucets andd use daily to earn few amounts of bitcoins

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Some recommendations for you:
Email registration only (fill in email addresses and send the login links)
Phone registration only (not recommended)
That's something I can think about.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Just ban their IPs and use strong ip checking security so the guys farming your faucet will be spammed with captcha and it will not be worth his time anymore.
Right now they are exploiting your website since it is profitable to faucet farm it. Block their way and you won't be bothered again for sure.

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Restore the faucet to its original goal as a way to test a site before players play with their own money. And if a site wants to reward their users, there are a lot of ways to do so. Not just with faucet! That's my thought.

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This is a very common problem that most casino sites which have a faucet feature for users to use are facing, tracking down every users IP and limiting to one account per IP is a good way to restrict the faucet abusers to do multiple claims with multiple accounts created, some sites does ban a user totally if the user are found out to be abusing the faucet.

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Quote from: Bitcoingiver on July 26, 2017, 09:39:24 AM

Most if not all faucets pay less than a penny and most guys who are poor try to make more claims by creating more accounts this in turn causes more trouble for the faucet owner, Anyway its not the fault of the faucet owner for paying less than a penny because that's what advertisement websites pay them also making faucet market a low price place. So to solve this problem is to make sure an IP address makes one claim and that your site can't be accessible through VPN, and faucet owners should try to pay their visitors well. This is just my point. Thanks

Your point ia valid since we do have the same thoughts too on which they should really restrict ip address specially to those who did use vpns because most abusers do reaally always using vpn or proxy srervice which they can able to execute abuse.Once you restrict it then it would be problem solved This thing is a common problem for most gambling site owners which are getting rid of those abusers.

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Implement this in your code:
- Limit the registration to one account per IP address.
- Require Google's captcha for registration.
- Block proxies.

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Most if not all faucets pay less than a penny and most guys who are poor try to make more claims by creating more accounts this in turn causes more trouble for the faucet owner, Anyway its not the fault of the faucet owner for paying less than a penny because that's what advertisement websites pay them also making faucet market a low price place. So to solve this problem is to make sure an IP address makes one claim and that your site can't be accessible through VPN, and faucet owners should try to pay their visitors well. This is just my point. Thanks

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Quote from: eternalgloom on July 25, 2017, 03:13:12 PM

Quote from: Soranith on July 25, 2017, 07:26:42 AM

Quote from: dunfida on July 24, 2017, 10:16:42 PM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Lower the faucet amount and at the same time put max claims per day and should not based on hourly limitations because it is really prone on abuse.Set max claims per IP so that those abusers would really have a hard time on abusing faucet this is not new anymore and you are not only whos experiencing such problem but most sites do experience this such abuse thats why strict limitations would really be needed.

I agree with you to lower down the faucet so that it won't attract those people who hunt from faucets. I have been in different kind of dice sites and see people who try their luck in faucets so its better to require the players to deposit minimum amount every week or monthly. And also keep track to people who logs in with the same IP.

If you'd lower the amount people could withdraw from the faucet, you would also inconvenience the people who are using the faucet legitimately.
It's just a bad solution to an easy problem to solve.

For example, Crypto-games has one of the highest faucet payouts, they just require you to level up to get to the highest payouts.
Requiring people to log in would even be better than just lowering the payouts.

There will be abuse, but not impossible to sort out manually if needed.

I think your suggestion of levelling is very good because this will make the user to use faucet daily and in proper way, because limiting the user to use one account per Ip is a must rule but if you keep leveling then they wont try to use multi account as they will be in fear that if they get caught then their all accounts will get ban and if some high level accounts are related it then the will lose all their hardwork.

So the best security option is limiting one user per IP address and give level of faucet claim per user, so they use faucet frequently and use only one account.

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Quote from: Soranith on July 25, 2017, 07:26:42 AM

Quote from: dunfida on July 24, 2017, 10:16:42 PM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Lower the faucet amount and at the same time put max claims per day and should not based on hourly limitations because it is really prone on abuse.Set max claims per IP so that those abusers would really have a hard time on abusing faucet this is not new anymore and you are not only whos experiencing such problem but most sites do experience this such abuse thats why strict limitations would really be needed.

I agree with you to lower down the faucet so that it won't attract those people who hunt from faucets. I have been in different kind of dice sites and see people who try their luck in faucets so its better to require the players to deposit minimum amount every week or monthly. And also keep track to people who logs in with the same IP.

If you'd lower the amount people could withdraw from the faucet, you would also inconvenience the people who are using the faucet legitimately.
It's just a bad solution to an easy problem to solve.

For example, Crypto-games has one of the highest faucet payouts, they just require you to level up to get to the highest payouts.
Requiring people to log in would even be better than just lowering the payouts.

There will be abuse, but not impossible to sort out manually if needed.

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Quote from: BitFinnese on June 04, 2017, 03:15:46 PM

Quote from: lite on June 04, 2017, 02:29:07 PM

You should make a rule like, one should deposit at least deposit 1 mBTC or has to wager 10 mBTC or more to claim from the faucet. also keep record of the IPs and if there are more than one account created increase the time of faucet claims by 10 times for each new account created/ban faucet!

A faucet asking for deposit before someone is able to withdraw can only give a negative impression to the site. The best thing is to have a a record of IP and have a script that check them and ban users that have multiple accounts on that same IP. You should be able to tell the IP of a VPN and block them. But to avoid this kind of work it is better to allow an account per IP as what the early post stated.

Agreed, it's not like how the faucet works. New players will leave for sure if that happen. Btw, i just read the OP remove the faucet from their site, it's a bad move i think, because if your site still new, it will be more harder to find a player to gamble on your site. Maybe you can reduce the amount and using hard captcha for the faucet.

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Quote from: janggernaut on July 25, 2017, 09:15:03 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

First thing, claimed faucet each in 3 hours is really suck. It really took so long time before we can claim for the second or third, wonder who are those guy who still want abusing this. There is a good way to how to eliminate them beside banning IP, VPN, or their alt account. The way is, just set high min withdraw and tip and you should be fine from those abuser. Just like Primedice doing now, they have increased min withdraw to 0.004 btc to prevent from faucet abuser.

The abusers wont care about the time limit of the faucet as they could claim it every minute if they create multiple accounts. The only thing that attract people to abuse the faucet is of course the amount of the faucet and their assumption that they can make a living from faucet.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

First thing, claimed faucet each in 3 hours is really suck. It really took so long time before we can claim for the second or third, wonder who are those guy who still want abusing this. There is a good way to how to eliminate them beside banning IP, VPN, or their alt account. The way is, just set high min withdraw and tip and you should be fine from those abuser. Just like Primedice doing now, they have increased min withdraw to 0.004 btc to prevent from faucet abuser.

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Quote from: dunfida on July 24, 2017, 10:16:42 PM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Lower the faucet amount and at the same time put max claims per day and should not based on hourly limitations because it is really prone on abuse.Set max claims per IP so that those abusers would really have a hard time on abusing faucet this is not new anymore and you are not only whos experiencing such problem but most sites do experience this such abuse thats why strict limitations would really be needed.

I agree with you to lower down the faucet so that it won't attract those people who hunt from faucets. I have been in different kind of dice sites and see people who try their luck in faucets so its better to require the players to deposit minimum amount every week or monthly. And also keep track to people who logs in with the same IP.

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Quote from: bajing on July 24, 2017, 10:33:13 PM

Sooner or later gambling sites will know you has been abusing their site maybe they will banned all your account and your IP. I think have one account is enough because in some site faucet depends of players level.

i am agree, i think maybe the sites can applied to record only one IP for one account so they can prevent from multiple account to abusing faucet because there are still many people is trying to create multiple account. beside that, i think if we make multiple account just for chasing rewards from the faucet, its just waste of time because the reward somehow its small and not worth it to use multiple account.

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Sooner or later gambling sites will know you has been abusing their site maybe they will banned all your account and your IP. I think have one account is enough because in some site faucet depends of players level.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Lower the faucet amount and at the same time put max claims per day and should not based on hourly limitations because it is really prone on abuse.Set max claims per IP so that those abusers would really have a hard time on abusing faucet this is not new anymore and you are not only whos experiencing such problem but most sites do experience this such abuse thats why strict limitations would really be needed.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

a classic problem for all people who try to build faucet or any paid site,i think abusing faucet can be perevented with ip configuration,our site must be can detected any ip address and validate it as first user,if detected same ip,block it permanently. and also you can block any user by bitcoin addresses,if you detected multiple bitcoin address.

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i think if you have free time or hire someone to focus in that part i think it wouldn't be a problem but calculate first how much you loss your money in faucet and how much you pay that people to do it. i think people in gambling site will only lose their faucet balance and the money back to you again

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You can check multiple accounts with same ip and block all thesr accounts to prevent further spam , you can even disable instant payment for few days and ban all these scammers and then enable instant payment , you can even hire a expert who will detect people using vpn

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Quote from: Kotone on July 24, 2017, 05:23:08 PM

Banned their ip's you can't please everybody to not use multiple account but you can control them by banning them on your websites maybe it is really hard to control it because you will manage to review all the logs people are really smart they will grow their money via faucet or simple remove your faucet and maybe those who high rank can only access your faucet reward./

I think the only way to control this is to ban them but how can you not pay little satoshis to run your faucet and are complaining about this , because I hardly doubt if he can collect any significant satoshis at the end of the day from your website unless you're paying a great deal from your website.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 24, 2017, 05:35:34 PM

Quote from: Kotone on July 24, 2017, 05:23:08 PM

Banned their ip's you can't please everybody to not use multiple account but you can control them by banning them on your websites maybe it is really hard to control it because you will manage to review all the logs people are really smart they will grow their money via faucet or simple remove your faucet and maybe those who high rank can only access your faucet reward./

Honestly it's hard to ban people basing on IP address only because there are a lot of applications now that could hide their real IP address, for example I can use VPN to change my location and IP address. In my understanding faucets were integrated in your site because you want to attract more people to visit and most gambling sites has that also, so I guess you focus on other things to improve your site so you'll be profitable in the end.

Monitoring ip could not help right now if you have an internet with static ip here in my country we have an internet here just reboot your ISP you new a legit ip every time you reboot the ISP or off and on your Internet modem you can get a new ip..
We don't have dynamic ip except for line internet here.. so without using any vpn here we can be still change our ip easy and legit..
The best thing that i think they need always check if the webrtc is enabled and cookies if they are not using cookies or saving cookies and they are disable webrtc expect that they are using tor or they are using tools like random spoofer and disable webrtc just to completely use of hiding their own ip with the vpn with scan protection..
So this very hard thing to do but you always need to collect the cookies.. but if they are not recording the cookies you can check if their webrtc is disable so that you can trace the real ip.. i am using https://whoer.net/ as a user just to check if i'm anonymous and can't trace my ip.

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Quote from: Kotone on July 24, 2017, 05:23:08 PM

Banned their ip's you can't please everybody to not use multiple account but you can control them by banning them on your websites maybe it is really hard to control it because you will manage to review all the logs people are really smart they will grow their money via faucet or simple remove your faucet and maybe those who high rank can only access your faucet reward./

Honestly it's hard to ban people basing on IP address only because there are a lot of applications now that could hide their real IP address, for example I can use VPN to change my location and IP address. In my understanding faucets were integrated in your site because you want to attract more people to visit and most gambling sites has that also, so I guess you focus on other things to improve your site so you'll be profitable in the end.

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Banned their ip's you can't please everybody to not use multiple account but you can control them by banning them on your websites maybe it is really hard to control it because you will manage to review all the logs people are really smart they will grow their money via faucet or simple remove your faucet and maybe those who high rank can only access your faucet reward./

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Banning TOR nodes and well known proxy/vpn IPs might solve your problem if he is using those.

Is he really getting away with the faucet money? Or is it simply lost anyway?

Another possibilty would be to track behaviour of the accounts and simply auto ban them if they fit the suspicious activity.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on July 24, 2017, 02:29:06 PM

Quote from: BitGame777 on July 24, 2017, 01:43:11 PM

We decided to remove faucet from our site! Thanks to all for valuable feedback!

If you could build a good back end then you could counter multiple accounts with ease and if you are not planning to do that then removing the faucet is the only option,but it might be a good option to build a good back end to monitor multiple accounts from the same IP and then you can ban people who are not depositing after registering for 3 months and so on,there are many options to get rid of leechers.

Basically after I had read those full stories here, the scenarion that happened here was really linked to chearing on faucets online.That's really a worst idea regarding faucets which could really affect the economy of bitcoin digital currency as well. Those are thise people who did something unpleasant, if I were to give my insighta about that serious matter. My impressions those people who did that kind of bad acts, is more like they're blood suckers of digital currency whose gonna waste our bitcoins in the future. I do hope this can be resolved by the admins of the site in sooner time and this leechers is gone.

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We decided to remove faucet from our site! Thanks to all for valuable feedback!

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Quote from: BitGame777 on July 24, 2017, 01:43:11 PM

We decided to remove faucet from our site! Thanks to all for valuable feedback!

If you could build a good back end then you could counter multiple accounts with ease and if you are not planning to do that then removing the faucet is the only option,but it might be a good option to build a good back end to monitor multiple accounts from the same IP and then you can ban people who are not depositing after registering for 3 months and so on,there are many options to get rid of leechers.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 05, 2017, 01:51:24 AM

Quote from: Papski on June 04, 2017, 03:28:56 PM

remove the faucet.

Faucet allows new users test our games before depositing, so removing is not the best option... Sad

What about going through a third party service like zapo, faucetbox, or something similar which will do the account checking itself? I noticed a lot of faucets going that route early on, but I'm not sure how economical that is for them now with the recent upsurge in fees. If there's a demand for the service, I am sure you can find one that will take your business and require very little effort on your part.

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Quote from: Ryan Dugan on June 06, 2017, 12:55:02 PM

Someone help me out here. Why do people do this to faucets ? They can't possibly make that much stealing can they ?
Are they losers? Stealing dust ? I mean bow much csn you even get. Faucets are learning tools not money making tools .
Sad when this happens.

they would have to combine other tools to make a real profit, some type of automation and that leads to dealing with captchas, i suppose that dropping a good $2000 as a one time cost to prepare would get you a couple months of solid abuse before the system is changed to deal with you, that is a pretty dedicated faucet killer, lol.

most likely they found the faucets and the BTC numbers were higher than other BTC methods they have tried and they got excited, followed by trying to cheat the system for more. They may not even realize that they have only stolen 50 cents or so.

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Someone help me out here. Why do people do this to faucets ? They can't possibly make that much stealing can they ?
Are they losers? Stealing dust ? I mean bow much csn you even get. Faucets are learning tools not money making tools .
Sad when this happens.

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You should really check fingerprint.js out:
https://github.com/Valve/fingerprintjs2

Browser fingerprinting is the new thing.

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In my opinion, it may use a system level, for beginner or newbie level for example just get around 0.001mbtc - 0.002mbtc. The reason, abuser faucet utilize a big reward. They have a principle, without a deposit can profit.

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There are multiple things you have to set;
1. Block access to your site from TOR browser or VPN networks
2. Block multiple account creation with same IP.
3. Add captcha on both registration and faucet page.
4. Set low reward for newbies and increase faucet reward with the level of players.

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there are many ways to fight faucet abuse,the most radical way is to remove it

but you said it was not an option
so if you do not want to abusers to drain your stash I suggest you decrease claim amount and/or number of claims per day
have tip limit increased,if a multiaccounter cannot tip his winning to the bank,he will probably lose it eventually
increase mininimum withdrawal limit to 400.000 satoshi,this will work together with min tip limit
these are basic measures that do not involve backend knowledge

if ths doesn't work and you are getting attacked -try to ban major exit Tor nodes and have a script installed that blocks known proxies and public VPN services

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Quote from: terrate on June 05, 2017, 04:51:44 PM

Quote from: cafucafucafu on June 05, 2017, 02:10:50 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

There are a number of things you can do:

1. Reduce the faucet amount, if you don't want to remove it altogether. It really doesn't make sense to me why someone would bother abusing0.007 mBTC faucet every 3 hours because honestly that's a very low amount.
2. Same IP detection, at least makes the life of the abuser harder.
3. A week long wait before a person can claim the faucet.
4. Some sort of 'level' program that increases the faucet as you gamble more funds. People who don't gamble get a very low amount.

Point no 4 i not agree. Lv things easy abused by banker.
Point 3 is usually use by most website, waiting time.

What do you mean level thing can be abused by banker? I believe this level program is the best setup to make sure faucet abuser will be gone. And there is no way faucet abuser want to wager on every account they have. This will take forever

And I do not agree on point 3 that you said. With this long waiting time, it will only make your site have lesser player, because they do want to try your site of course but they need to wait like a week just to claim the next one? Really annoying for me

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Reduce amount per claim to 100 satoshis and abusers will leave it.

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on June 05, 2017, 02:10:50 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

There are a number of things you can do:

1. Reduce the faucet amount, if you don't want to remove it altogether. It really doesn't make sense to me why someone would bother abusing0.007 mBTC faucet every 3 hours because honestly that's a very low amount.
2. Same IP detection, at least makes the life of the abuser harder.
3. A week long wait before a person can claim the faucet.
4. Some sort of 'level' program that increases the faucet as you gamble more funds. People who don't gamble get a very low amount.

Point no 4 i not agree. Lv things easy abused by banker.
Point 3 is usually use by most website, waiting time.

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Quote from: northstarh on June 05, 2017, 08:01:24 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

First, to prevent it, you need to check their IP address, which is the best way to prevent multiple accounts. But there are many applications hide the user's address, so, it is difficult to check.

Its not that difficult for a person who's running a website. He has to make a log of users with their IP addresses and then every time a user logs in, it has to be matched with the IP address or if someone logs in with different IPs every time then he can have some conditions set for that user.

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Quote from: Wandika on June 05, 2017, 08:08:23 AM

Aren't you getting any benefits for multiple accounts claiming in your faucet? All of them are solving captcha before they claim so i guess that you are being paid by ads. Can you explain to me further your problem.

I see that there is no problem in the situation that had happened, but managing that multiple accounts is really a struggle to do so. Having management of multiple accounts is not an honest ways of engaging yourself in earning money in an easy way. So if they paid you a good amount just for that job of solving captchas, well I must tell you should do your job well and maintain good and stable dedication to the work you have.

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Aren't you getting any benefits for multiple accounts claiming in your faucet? All of them are solving captcha before they claim so i guess that you are being paid by ads. Can you explain to me further your problem.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

First, to prevent it, you need to check their IP address, which is the best way to prevent multiple accounts. But there are many applications hide the user's address, so, it is difficult to check.

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Quote from: cafucafucafu on June 05, 2017, 02:10:50 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

There are a number of things you can do:

1. Reduce the faucet amount, if you don't want to remove it altogether. It really doesn't make sense to me why someone would bother abusing0.007 mBTC faucet every 3 hours because honestly that's a very low amount.
2. Same IP detection, at least makes the life of the abuser harder.
3. A week long wait before a person can claim the faucet.
4. Some sort of 'level' program that increases the faucet as you gamble more funds. People who don't gamble get a very low amount.

IP detection is a must these days because of all the smart abusers with bots. I would suggest a multilevel rank system which gives more rewards for higher level players.

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Op, in which way this faucet is being abused exactly? It is only possible to claim it when you have no balance and there should be minimum withdrawal limit placed.
So the bitcoins shouldn't be possible to claim easily. In case this is not enough just increase minimum withdrawal limit.

Or you can add additional rule: users who didn't deposit anything can't withdraw money at all, they need to deposit something and the withdrawal will be possible.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

There are a number of things you can do:

1. Reduce the faucet amount, if you don't want to remove it altogether. It really doesn't make sense to me why someone would bother abusing0.007 mBTC faucet every 3 hours because honestly that's a very low amount.
2. Same IP detection, at least makes the life of the abuser harder.
3. A week long wait before a person can claim the faucet.
4. Some sort of 'level' program that increases the faucet as you gamble more funds. People who don't gamble get a very low amount.

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Quote from: Papski on June 04, 2017, 03:28:56 PM

remove the faucet.

Faucet allows new users test our games before depositing, so removing is not the best option... Sad

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 05, 2017, 01:51:24 AM

Quote from: Papski on June 04, 2017, 03:28:56 PM

remove the faucet.

Faucet allows new users test our games before depositing, so removing is not the best option... Sad

Removing it is your best bet if you are aiming to destroy all faucet abuse from your site. A lot of good casinos actually don't have faucets at all, since they have a crowdfunded bankroll. For example, just-dice.

Lowering the amount would make it less worthwhile for the abusers as well.

But as i said above, require email verification. Maybe set a limit of how much gambled before you can claim faucet.

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Try to make the faucet only serve 1 IP per 24 hours. Ban Tor nodes, common VPNs and proxies. That may be able to help a bit.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

With the surge in bitcoin price this faucet abuse has become more and more common as i see people getting banned from sites and complaining about it on this forum, and only later do we realise that they're in the wrong here as faucet abusers.

The most obvious thing you can do here is to get a good captcha service. Make the registration more complicated, e.g. one must have a legitimate email to sign up and a confirmation code will be sent to that email(must be services outside of yopmail, etc.).

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Try to look at on your logs maybe you can detect those guys who have the same IP and blocked them to your site and also try to limit your faucet rewards so that abuser will not came to dig your faucet up.

And my last solution for this is to take out the faucet feature and try to implement a demo mode in your site and maybe by that implementation you can eliminate those guys who intent to rip off the faucet on every site.

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You can't control people who abuse your site, if you will ban them all then you'll lose potential players in the future, those faucet abusers are still your player. The best thing you can do is make your gambling site more popular in order to get whales that can play your site and get a lot of profit that can supply your faucet overtime.

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Quote from: milewilda on June 04, 2017, 08:10:48 PM

Quote from: HanSchultz on June 04, 2017, 01:43:54 PM

If you are the admin what is the difficulty in finding the IP address of the users and restrict the number of claims a specific IP could claim and so if they are using VPN or TOR you could restrict the number of claims and that is the best way to counter these sort of abuse.

This is the best suggestion so far on which if you are the admin/owner/developer of this gambling site then better to use IP restrictions and putting limitations on max claims per day on this thing they would really be hard thing for them to abuse faucet this problem do normally happen on most gambling sites.

Yes, I also think that using IP address one can restrict multiple claims. But what happens when the user uses good proxies on the same PC to claim with different accounts?

If someone really wants to abuse the system they may try with good proxies as well but in this case above method will fail by just restricting IP and usernames.

Quote from: chixka000 on June 04, 2017, 01:54:06 PM

I have managed a faucet before and usually this are my techniques i have to save the persons IP and the username so everytime theyd signed in their username must match to the ip when theyve registered and allow only one account per Ip.

We can't fix one IP per account also because some internet connection IP addresses dynamic each time when I switch off and on people will get different IP addresses. If you fix like that then slowly you will lose your site traffic. As long as one IP address and username restricted for one claim for every one hour should be fine.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

If you have enough balance to support their faucet, may be you should make level per tier that limit each player that can claim on each day. You might check bitsler or primedice as your reference. Or if you do not have enough balance may be the best thing is limit the by need to have minimal deposit to make sure that their id is an active one

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I dont really understand why people keep trying on abusing the faucet as I think it is not worth to do so because they are just wasting their time for nothing. The chance to win big (even to meet the minimum withdraw) from faucet is so low. If they thinks that they can win big from 700 sat, actually they can make a minimum deposit to make a better chance to win.
In order to avoid it, as suggested by other members already that IP detection is the simple way to deal with those abusers. Or make a faucet leveling system, give the smallest amount for new users so they will think that the amount is not worth to be abused.

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Quote from: HanSchultz on June 04, 2017, 01:43:54 PM

If you are the admin what is the difficulty in finding the IP address of the users and restrict the number of claims a specific IP could claim and so if they are using VPN or TOR you could restrict the number of claims and that is the best way to counter these sort of abuse.

This is the best suggestion so far on which if you are the admin/owner/developer of this gambling site then better to use IP restrictions and putting limitations on max claims per day on this thing they would really be hard thing for them to abuse faucet this problem do normally happen on most gambling sites.

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personally, i know you can put some scripts on the site to block out all exit nodes and double user /ip/acount/
make sure to advertise that double accounts will be forfeit of both or more accounts if found.
but, please make a list and publish it so every one else has a chance to use this info also!

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Basically like others have suggested. Either you remove the faucet and replace it was a "play/demo" money so users can test out your site before depositing anything or make it have sometype of min BTC deposit to be able to use the faucet.

Even if they withdraw their deposit without actually gambling at least it will defer some of them due to the high BTC miner fees of sending and receiving transactions.

Your website isn't the only one with this issue. With bitcoins growth its becoming exponetially a high abuse problem.

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IP detection is the best solution but not always 100% fair so you could possibly lost some fair customers. When I was doing faucets in past I used to fight with someone else having the same IP ( there was timelimit for IP claim, sometimes I've been able to claim, but then twotimes claimed by other person and blocked for me) it was annoing ... and the bad guys always finds the way.

As faucets should be used to try the game you could modify it to give some sort of game credits instead of real BTCs.

Other solution could be to require phone verification ... this will lower the abuse but also discourage plenty of users( including me, I want to stay as annonymous as possible when dealing with gamling )

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Can't you drop cookies on people's browser's and monitor user agents to effectively counter multiple accounts? Is this too advanced?

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1.) lower faucet reward to 100 satoshi and create leveling system - if user wagers x.xxx BTC than his faucet will raise for xxx satoshi.
2.) raise withdrawal limit
3.) simply disable faucet for non depositors.
4.) i've found this rule in bitsler - "14.1. Only for earnings from faucets, we reserve the right not to authorize withdrawals."

Quote from: chixka000 on June 04, 2017, 01:54:06 PM

I have managed a faucet before and usually this are my techniques i have to save the persons IP and the username so everytime theyd signed in their username must match to the ip when theyve registered and allow only one account per Ip.

What about dynamic IP, should he block whole country because of 1 scammer?

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Quote from: lite on June 04, 2017, 02:29:07 PM

You should make a rule like, one should deposit at least deposit 1 mBTC or has to wager 10 mBTC or more to claim from the faucet. also keep record of the IPs and if there are more than one account created increase the time of faucet claims by 10 times for each new account created/ban faucet!

A faucet asking for deposit before someone is able to withdraw can only give a negative impression to the site. The best thing is to have a a record of IP and have a script that check them and ban users that have multiple accounts on that same IP. You should be able to tell the IP of a VPN and block them. But to avoid this kind of work it is better to allow an account per IP as what the early post stated.

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You should make a rule like, one should deposit at least deposit 1 mBTC or has to wager 10 mBTC or more to claim from the faucet. also keep record of the IPs and if there are more than one account created increase the time of faucet claims by 10 times for each new account created/ban faucet!

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I have managed a faucet before and usually this are my techniques i have to save the persons IP and the username so everytime theyd signed in their username must match to the ip when theyve registered and allow only one account per Ip.

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If you are the admin what is the difficulty in finding the IP address of the users and restrict the number of claims a specific IP could claim and so if they are using VPN or TOR you could restrict the number of claims and that is the best way to counter these sort of abuse.

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