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Timelord2067

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Activity: 3696

Merit: 2219

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Quote from: cabalism13 on August 20, 2020, 06:10:31 AM

Does it make any changes when I Distrust you or remove you from my list? I just don't trust your judgement on somethings and that's already enough for me to have you ~
Just like what I said you can always put me on your ~ list

P.S. Sorry for the off topic OP, anyways I do have enough sMerits to spend due to lack of activity on my Local, still thinking of a way to regain that again.

Your actions were being scrutinized, not being attacked. Your subsequent actions were therefore offensive, not defensive. You need to deescalate your hostility towards me for merely putting your actions up to scrutiny. You're wanting me to escalate my response towards you is not warranted as you appear to want to play the victim card.

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CryptopreneurBrainboss

legendary

Activity: 2380

Merit: 4265

eXch.cx - Automatic crypto Swap Exchange.

When I was appointment a source at first I didn't bother much about the user been merited. All I was after was hurting for useful post but with time (As I paid close attention) I easily identify those users only making that supposenly useful thread just to get the merit to enhance their payout with their spamming of the forum. I won't want to encourage that user therefore I abstain from meriting them.

At some point I was one of the highest meriter that have merited banned accounts in the last 120 days, wasn't that much of a worry since I knew the posts which were merited did deserved some highlighting. Recently though, that's slowing declining because this days I don't just send out merit with looking into the user account especially for those that aren't known to me to be quality contributors. Sometimes it's stressful but if I can be assumed I'm not encouraging some spammer then I'm ok with enduring the stress.

The Cryptovator

legendary

Activity: 2282

Merit: 2196

Signature space for rent

As a merit source, I pay attention if the post is useful somehow. Doesn't matter if the user is distributing his smerit or not. But yes, when I intend to send merit in a very old post then I check if the user is active. Usually, I do not send merit if the user is inactive for a long time. I have remembered a few posts where I was going to send merit, but I had doubts about plagiarism and eventually, I was right. For me, it's more priority to distribute merits among active contributors than inactive users. So of course I noticed the posting dates as well.

No matter if every merit source has different thoughts and strategies to distribute his/her merits.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2800

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

I'm a merit source, and I award merits to those people who I believe are contributing to the forum, and to posters in topics that I want to encourage. Sometimes I will give a block of merits to a guy to help him rank up, but only if he is a valuable contributor ( in my opinion ), and I don't think he is being rewarded. Of course I don't award merits to anyone I have placed on ignore.

The misunderstanding that merits are only there to help people achieve higher ranks seems to persist. This is not true, merits are there to encourage posters to contribute and help the forum. It is a method of providing peer approval for topics and posters, and should be dependent on rank. Obviously I don't "need" any merits, but I look on merits I receive as encouragement to post. If I don't receive any merits, then it discourages me from posting, as I feel that my comments are unwanted. If you want to keep this forum alive and beneficial, then encourage anyone you think is a useful contributor, and not just the guys who want to rank up to gain higher earnings from a forum that becomes a paid to post business.

cabalism13

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Activity: 1428

Merit: 1166

🤩Finally Married🤩

Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 20, 2020, 02:59:39 AM

Quote from: cabalism13 on August 19, 2020, 08:21:42 PM

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You're distrust of me is DT abuse, nothing more. Trying to put spin on it won't change what it is, or why you gave it to me.

Does it make any changes when I Distrust you or remove you from my list? I just don't trust your judgement on somethings and that's already enough for me to have you ~
Just like what I said you can always put me on your ~ list

P.S. Sorry for the off topic OP, anyways I do have enough sMerits to spend due to lack of activity on my Local, still thinking of a way to regain that again.

Timelord2067

legendary

Activity: 3696

Merit: 2219

💲🏎️💨🚓

Quote from: cabalism13 on August 19, 2020, 08:21:42 PM

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You're distrust of me is DT abuse, nothing more. Trying to put spin on it won't change what it is, or why you gave it to me.

Quote from: Upgrade00 on August 19, 2020, 03:42:48 PM

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There's actually 38.5 merits in the example you analise as at the point there are five merits, there is two plus an "invisible half" merit which doesn't flow down stream from that point.

In saying that at the point there is just one merit given, there is then a second "invisible half merit", so although that takes the tally back up to 39, it wasn't derived through the method you describe.

cabalism13

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Activity: 1428

Merit: 1166

🤩Finally Married🤩

Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 19, 2020, 02:15:15 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on August 19, 2020, 07:08:30 AM

and if you have specific suspicious you can either post it in Meta, or tell theymos directly.

I made an observation that @cabalism13 was part of a group that were meriting/DTing each other and he gave me DT distrust. The system is broken.

Just because of one person not trusting you, you say the system is broken? You also have issues Giving Merits to my fellow citizen, why is that? First of all I'm a source for a Local Board, secondly, I don't ask them to use their Merits on me, just look at our board now, I rarely give my sMerits due to lack of activity.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 19, 2020, 02:15:15 PM

theymos has never responded in the past (and there is no evidence action was taken on those PM's) so I have no faith that anything would happen if I again PM'ed him.

if the whole forum is complaining then the admin will try to fix it. but if there's only 1-10 user/s are complaining then there's nothing wrong about it

Lastly:
The List Below are the users who gave me Merits ( The Data was a bit old July 24) and you might not want to Count the one's like with suchmoon because it's a boost for me giving out sMerits back then.

Quote from: tranthidung on July 24, 2020, 12:47:23 PM

Code:

+----------------------------------------------------------+
   | username userid merit ntransactions |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
  1. | suchmoon 234771 57 3 |
  2. | theymos 35 47 2 |
  3. | TMAN 98986 46 9 |
  4. | GreatArkansas 1164368 24 18 |
  5. | sheenshane 1179651 22 20 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
  6. | CryptopreneurBrainboss 1052091 22 14 |
  7. | finaleshot2016 888099 19 15 |
  8. | Vod 30747 19 5 |
  9. | theyoungmillionaire 1180530 19 12 |
10. | LoyceV 459836 18 14 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
11. | DdmrDdmr 1582324 18 15 |
12. | cryptoaddictchie 1269701 18 11 |
13. | Bttzed03 1239188 16 8 |
14. | Mr. 553678 15 9 |
15. | squatz1 738419 15 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
16. | bL4nkcode 765632 14 12 |
17. | enhu 350984 13 1 |
18. | dbshck 153634 13 3 |
19. | Hhampuz 881377 12 11 |
20. | lionheart78 221727 11 3 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
21. | Jet 698159 11 2 |
22. | nutildah 317618 10 7 |
23. | tranthidung 1292764 10 10 |
24. | The 487418 9 3 |
25. | DarkStar_ 507936 9 3 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
26. | akirasendo17 1011538 8 5 |
27. | bisdak40 1634336 8 5 |
28. | asu 519783 8 8 |
29. | LogitechMouse 1143164 8 4 |
30. | xandry 382413 8 3 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
31. | Yatsan 857883 8 4 |
32. | philipma1957 64507 8 1 |
33. | joniboini 1275282 7 2 |
34. | julerz12 950662 7 3 |
35. | plvbob0070 2449551 7 4 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
36. | o_e_l_e_o 1188543 6 5 |
37. | Asuspawer09 1136961 6 6 |
38. | Quickseller 358020 6 3 |
39. | rhomelmabini 1255873 6 6 |
40. | Lafu 805820 6 3 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
41. | efrenbilantok 2132488 6 4 |
42. | crwth 914465 6 5 |
43. | Theb 898928 6 4 |
44. | 1miau 2143453 6 5 |
45. | Baofeng 984384 6 6 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
46. | YOSHIE 2363935 6 5 |
47. | harizen 458393 6 6 |
48. | marlboroza 787736 5 1 |
49. | malevolent 23092 5 1 |
50. | Coin_trader 807453 5 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
51. | Maus0728 1289002 5 3 |
52. | Dabs 54791 5 3 |
53. | Ryker1 1002349 5 3 |
54. | Nellayar 1287090 5 5 |
55. | AniviaBtc 1126232 5 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
56. | Hatuferu 676080 5 1 |
57. | zenrol28 1232224 5 5 |
58. | qwertyup23 1022860 4 4 |
59. | lobcmt2 1321036 4 2 |
60. | yazher 1069571 4 4 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
61. | rosezionjohn 1215093 4 4 |
62. | serjent05 230934 4 2 |
63. | target 581624 4 2 |
64. | bones261 452769 4 2 |
65. | vapourminer 33156 4 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
66. | Vaculin 720173 4 2 |
67. | Heisenberg_Hunter 1564795 4 2 |
68. | Debonaire217 2409302 3 3 |
69. | Halab 1053119 3 2 |
70. | Coin-1 1133335 3 3 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
71. | Tytanowy 1925869 3 2 |
72. | ice18 603397 3 2 |
73. | goaldigger 1181447 3 2 |
74. | xSkylarx 874537 3 2 |
75. | Lucius 533583 3 3 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
76. | maxreish 1933064 3 2 |
77. | mk4 886521 3 3 |
78. | yahoo62278 355846 3 1 |
79. | malikusama 879197 3 2 |
80. | LFC_Bitcoin 379487 3 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
81. | chaser15 523501 3 2 |
82. | hilariousetc 397737 3 2 |
83. | JayJuanGee 252510 3 3 |
84. | Lauda 101872 2 2 |
85. | tbct_mt2 1096237 2 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
86. | OgNasty 18321 2 2 |
87. | theymos_away 349090 2 1 |
88. | sujonali1819 961008 2 2 |
89. | condoras 740502 2 2 |
90. | DireWolfM14 2003859 2 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
91. | DevilSlayer 998116 2 1 |
92. | Scheede 1005083 2 2 |
93. | veilmoil 2709705 2 1 |
94. | r1s2g3 1446224 2 2 |
95. | S_Therapist 2423416 2 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
96. | yogg 140827 2 2 |
97. | Royse777 366632 2 1 |
98. | TheNewAnon135246 153656 2 2 |
99. | leea-1334 969088 2 1 |
100. | danherbias07 526910 2 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
101. | IconFirm 841288 2 1 |
102. | inthelongrun 950786 2 2 |
103. | bitsurfer2014 329708 2 1 |
104. | cryptovigi 1697068 2 2 |
105. | zentdex 1331637 2 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
106. | Japinat 816346 2 2 |
107. | gunhell16 1101424 2 2 |
108. | cleygaux 902035 2 1 |
109. | TheUltraElite 878630 2 1 |
110. | Polar91 947291 2 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
111. | Cyrus 78147 2 1 |
112. | ralle14 535215 2 1 |
113. | arwin100 755235 2 2 |
114. | giammangiato 889300 2 2 |
115. | tyz 153644 2 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
116. | Coolcryptovator 1980983 2 2 |
117. | lobat999 333091 2 1 |
118. | Janation 779714 2 1 |
119. | Darker45 901661 2 2 |
120. | kotajikikox 1066695 2 2 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
121. | roycilik 1051955 2 2 |
122. | Becky666 2526732 1 1 |
123. | Daboy_Lyle 1781008 1 1 |
124. | jademaxsuy 1788599 1 1 |
125. | mikeywith 2033515 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
126. | nydiacaskey01 140736 1 1 |
127. | nanna 1178098 1 1 |
128. | andulolika 223200 1 1 |
129. | NavI_027 1127008 1 1 |
130. | BitcoinPanther 861919 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
131. | CucakRowo 1932205 1 1 |
132. | paul00 965260 1 1 |
133. | Zeke_23 969898 1 1 |
134. | Gens09 970568 1 1 |
135. | pandukelana2712 1304130 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
136. | singlebit 1019324 1 1 |
137. | krogothmanhattan 1000199 1 1 |
138. | lemipawa 152856 1 1 |
139. | Nikisa 2154195 1 1 |
140. | jayce 335088 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
141. | ruthbabe 961283 1 1 |
142. | hyunee 1013131 1 1 |
143. | Taki 833802 1 1 |
144. | Upgrade00 2423488 1 1 |
145. | ryzaadit 961598 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
146. | crairezx20 539350 1 1 |
147. | ecnalubma 986072 1 1 |
148. | Creepings 923040 1 1 |
149. | xianbits 940730 1 1 |
150. | Gabz999 1065147 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
151. | taufik123 831523 1 1 |
152. | mocacinno 405464 1 1 |
153. | sabx01 963465 1 1 |
154. | TravelMug 954316 1 1 |
155. | terizla 2641576 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
156. | mrcastelo 998621 1 1 |
157. | creeps 1094167 1 1 |
158. | UserU 1452494 1 1 |
159. | RapTarX 2530429 1 1 |
160. | davis196 710218 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
161. | leonair 917822 1 1 |
162. | Csmiami 903175 1 1 |
163. | PETES 1050668 1 1 |
164. | mprep 51173 1 1 |
165. | carlfebz2 731699 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
166. | merchantofzeny 929358 1 1 |
167. | chenille 2038274 1 1 |
168. | BitcoinGirl.Club 662330 1 1 |
169. | Last 479624 1 1 |
170. | hosseinimr93 995810 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
171. | mrvuit 1437909 1 1 |
172. | YuginKadoya 542292 1 1 |
173. | Oasisman 819270 1 1 |
174. | ChuckBuck 207430 1 1 |
175. | Farma 567786 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
176. | 0 1 1 |
177. | Dayan1 1072213 1 1 |
178. | InvoKing 525058 1 1 |
179. | SiNeReiNZzz 251328 1 1 |
180. | wwzsocki 131333 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
181. | ETFbitcoin 359716 1 1 |
182. | mOgliE 107200 1 1 |
183. | bamboylee 687488 1 1 |
184. | kaicrypzen 864005 1 1 |
185. | deisik 156665 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
186. | Harkorede 2160117 1 1 |
187. | bill 370611 1 1 |
188. | ChiBitCTy 904524 1 1 |
189. | eternalgloom 163641 1 1 |
190. | Nestade 134226 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
191. | pixie85 930591 1 1 |
192. | LbtalkL 1113995 1 1 |
193. | criz2fer 890562 1 1 |
194. | fillippone 1852120 1 1 |
195. | koang 988415 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
196. | Botnake 827202 1 1 |
197. | dkbit98 1410401 1 1 |
198. | logfiles 1247226 1 1 |
199. | KualaBit 970896 1 1 |
200. | snipie 550315 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
201. | shone08 980844 1 1 |
202. | TalkStar 2136362 1 1 |
203. | Altero 1079518 1 1 |
204. | Silent26 1091163 1 1 |
205. | Yamifoud 793182 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
206. | Daniel91 334636 1 1 |
207. | Vinalians 785629 1 1 |
208. | Crypto-DesignService 2528593 1 1 |
209. | Teddybears 713671 1 1 |
210. | Termin4tor 438484 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
211. | krishnapramod 372359 1 1 |
212. | molsewid 663116 1 1 |
213. | akamit 782831 1 1 |
214. | SacriFries11 989450 1 1 |
215. | khaled0111 1012655 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
216. | jamirrah 1046490 1 1 |
217. | Lutpin 520313 1 1 |
218. | sapnu 968835 1 1 |
219. | alani123 121796 1 1 |
220. | hacker1001101001 1021758 1 1 |
   |----------------------------------------------------------|
221. | Text 807536 1 1 |
222. | Avirunes 175302 1 1 |
223. | mikfresh 1586971 1 1 |
224. | samcrypto 1218995 1 1 |
225. | Mevz 1180379 1 1 |
   +----------------------------------------------------------+

Just by Counting the transactions with 5+ I received 248 in total from my Local Users.

Upgrade00

legendary

Activity: 2114

Merit: 2248

Playgram - The Telegram Casino

Quote from: marlboroza on August 19, 2020, 03:06:51 PM

20 - 10 - 5 - 2 - 1 = 38 merits

If you take into account the 0.5 smerits generated for each 1 merit sent then;
...5 - 2(+0.5) - 1(+0.5) both half smerits would potentially generate another smerit totalling 39
To compare;

Quote from: marlboroza on August 19, 2020, 03:06:51 PM

2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 = 30 merits Grin

Each 1 merit sent generates 0.5 smerits = 10 × 0.5 = 5
As above ...5 - 2(+0.5) - 1(+0.5)
So, 30 + 5 + 2(+0.5) + 1(+0.5) = 39

Regardless of how you distribute merits it should generate same number of smerits, although splitting it more would mean it would need an extra merit to activate it by making it a whole 1

marlboroza

legendary

Activity: 1932

Merit: 2272

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

So now the question itself: Do you pay attention to those users who never send anything to anyone when sending them a merit or you don't care, the main thing is that the post is useful.

I send merit to post, not user. I don't pay attention to anything as long as post is good.

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

8 - 4 - 2 - 1 = 15 merits

Math is interesting thing, assuming that you have 20 merits:

20 - 10 - 5 - 2 - 1 = 38 merits

...but, if you decide to merit 10 posts with 2 merits:

2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 = 30 merits Grin

suchmoon

legendary

Activity: 3654

Merit: 8909

https://bpip.org

Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 19, 2020, 02:15:15 PM

theymos has never responded in the past (and there is no evidence action was taken on those PM's) so I have no faith that anything would happen if I again PM'ed him.

That's called a hint. Take it.

Timelord2067

legendary

Activity: 3696

Merit: 2219

💲🏎️💨🚓

Quote from: LoyceV on August 19, 2020, 07:08:30 AM

and if you have specific suspicious you can either post it in Meta, or tell theymos directly.

I made an observation that @cabalism13 was part of a group that were meriting/DTing each other and he gave me DT distrust. The system is broken.

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or tell theymos directly.

theymos has never responded in the past (and there is no evidence action was taken on those PM's) so I have no faith that anything would happen if I again PM'ed him.

cabalism13

legendary

Activity: 1428

Merit: 1166

🤩Finally Married🤩

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

So now the question itself: Do you pay attention to those users who never send anything to anyone when sending them a merit or you don't care, the main thing is that the post is useful.

I do, sometimes? especially when they already hit Hero or Legendary Ranks, I rarely give to the Legendaries except when it is really needed (means their posts are too worthy of an award)
Also when it comes to newbies and juniors I sometimes check on their Mert History / Post History,... I'm more focused on giving out my sMerits to our Local Board and to its users,...

I'm keeping DdmrDdmr's thread on my track so I could also help the users who only needs a few to rank up. (as of now our Local is back on its dark days, due to campaign restrictions,... an awful fact)...

erikoy

full member

Activity: 686

Merit: 125

Quote from: JeromeTash on August 18, 2020, 07:27:12 AM

I am not a merit source but whenever I am to send merit, i do try to check the user's merit history. If they are merit hoarders, I don't send anything, and also in most cases i send Merits to recent posts so it's very rare for me to send to inactive or previously banned profiles.

Meaning that you are doing well in the forum. Not all are given the chance to rank up and receive merits. Most likely criteria for receiving merits are constructive, useful and helpful to which only few users could do it. Average users like me will probably remain in this rank. Well, I have already use to it since I could not also think of so many way that I could be able to make a constructive and helpful posts. As long as I am earning few cents in the signature campaign I am promoting then I am okay with it. I will just be willing to help for the newbie and other users with low rank like me.

Lordhermes

sr. member

Activity: 1232

Merit: 379

Quote from: suchmoon on August 18, 2020, 07:33:10 AM

The purpose of the merit system is to award posts, not users.

This is all well said, I merit most importantly the good contributing and helpful posts not minding to keep the username in my medulla, sending merit to user is something racial and its depicts the forum rules.
Also, how could you know a users is being inactive or permaban for a very long time? cause my smerit is open for everyone, that would be time consuming for thorough investigation on such dead user. I don't just believe and never seen user that hoard merit anyhow in this forum, all of the merit given by merit source are for quality and distributed posts, keeping smerit is of no benefit at all.

If a recipient have earned merit from senders, there is nothing wrong with him keeping his/her smerit, its a reward earned by such user so its up to that respective user to what ever he want with it. Its not a big deal and shouldn't create forum attacks. Its as simple as that.

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 19, 2020, 06:34:54 AM

I feel handing out 50 merits in one lump is lazy and shouldn't be allowed to occur.

It depends on the post, which has to be really good for that amount. Or it depends on the user if someone needs 50 Merit to rank up, and has decent posts.
Both are okay with theymos:

Quote from: theymos on January 26, 2018, 02:06:49 PM

But undoubtedly some people got screwed by this, and if they have decent posts, by all means, give them the 250 or 500 merit that they need to rank-up.

Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 10:28:55 AM

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 19, 2020, 06:34:54 AM

I also feel merit sources should be audited and should be unable to hand merits out to other merit sources

I'm pretty sure theymos keeps an eye on Merit sources once in a while, and if you have specific suspicious you can either post it in Meta, or tell theymos directly.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 15, 2020, 01:57:49 PM

1. 6879 Merit received by theymos (#35) from 952 unique users in 2639 transactions
   2. 5783 Merit received by LoyceV (#459836) from 626 unique users in 3195 transactions
   3. 4616 Merit received by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) from 425 unique users in 2595 transactions
   4. 4430 Merit received by suchmoon (#234771) from 417 unique users in 2529 transactions
   5. 4048 Merit received by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) from 399 unique users in 2175 transactions
   6. 3901 Merit received by El duderino_ (#1067333) from 313 unique users in 2528 transactions
   7. 3815 Merit received by fillippone (#1852120) from 314 unique users in 2230 transactions
   8. 3461 Merit received by Last of the V8s (#479624) from 253 unique users in 2315 transactions
   9. 3171 Merit received by gmaxwell (#11425) from 179 unique users in 1005 transactions
   10. 2837 Merit received by mikeywith (#2033515) from 266 unique users in 1619 transactions

Even though I have no doubt that a large share of their Merit came from a small group, the above numbers show many different users value their posts. And it makes sense that the small group of users who has a lot of sMerit to give, also gives larger amounts.

Timelord2067

legendary

Activity: 3696

Merit: 2219

💲🏎️💨🚓

There's nothing that says you *have*to* pass merits on once you have received them. Theymos has stated that merits *may* decay over time (at a future date - presumably if the merits aren't forwarded on) I feel handing out 50 merits in one lump is lazy and shouldn't be allowed to occur. I also feel merit sources should be audited and should be unable to hand merits out to other merit sources, or to like-minded gang-members.

If you look at the higher end recipients of merits almost all of their merits are gifted to them in clumps from co-gang members.

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Quote from: ?? on ??

Where can I see a list of all merit sources on the forum? Is there such a list at all? I read somewhere that there are 97 or so.

The best list I've seen is made by Coin-1: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits. This list currently shows more than the official number of 97 Merit sources. Unless someone declares it, it can't be detected with certainty when a source gets removed.
There may also be false negatives in the list.

Upgrade00

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Activity: 2114

Merit: 2248

Playgram - The Telegram Casino

Quote from: ?? on ??

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Goes without saying. I was giving you the reason why there is no official list. I also stated that it could be deduced by checking their merit history. There has been several attempts at compiling the full list, theymos however declined on making it official, for privacy reasons.

Upgrade00

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Activity: 2114

Merit: 2248

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Quote from: ?? on ??

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For privacy reasons the official list of merit sources is not publicly available, we wouldn't want users bugging the sources for merits or scrutinizing their merit awarding. Most of them would however already be known due to their merit giving rate or having admitted to be.
For the number of merit sources and the total allocation, check out this link - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources
Full merit statistics - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

cryptoaddictchie

legendary

Activity: 2100

Merit: 1321

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Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

When evaluating posts, if I see that a user has been banned for a long time, I will not send him merit, because that makes no sense. He will no longer need him. Yes, and in the discussions when this issue was raised, all the same, most were inclined to the fact that it makes no sense for banned users to send merits.

Got a good point cause merits will stop in circulation. But there are merit sources that have replenishment of their smerits so it does not matter whether a certain user send a merit to a particular post that has been banned. I did not check some of the profile Im given merits cause what I do check is his/her content. If the user was already banned he will not be able to use his smerit but the knowledge imparted to other user by his post matter.

Like for example, this user is rarely post here but Ive reported his post on LoyceV for this one Make your own stakebox. Ultimate beginners guide how to compile any wallet on AA cause of the effort and quality. Regardless what is his status as long as he give some helpful contributions I believe we should spend it. There is a saying "spend wisely" well we invested by knowledge as we able to see post that are meritable.

Pffrt

sr. member

Activity: 1372

Merit: 322

I think regardless if any other factors, quality is the only thing which should be considered before giving merits and that's what the purpose of implementing the merit button. If you are considering any other factor, you are being biased in my opinion.

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Quote from: suchmoon on August 18, 2020, 01:20:37 PM

You can easily get on that list even if you never merit a banned user... they could get banned after you merit them.

I've been on there before, I'm more surprised I am no longer on there now!

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we don't really have an "official" way of finding out who's banned

Merit them, then check the list Cheesy

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it's kinda pointless to expect that merit sources would consider it.

It's not something to worry about if you just Merit good posts. It might be Merit abuse if someone mainly Merits users who get banned later, but users with good intentions shouldn't worry about it.

suchmoon

legendary

Activity: 3654

Merit: 8909

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 18, 2020, 12:35:19 PM

Good posts should be highlighted, even if the user was banned (even though there's a list of shame for Meriting banned users).

You can easily get on that list even if you never merit a banned user... they could get banned after you merit them. Not to mention that we don't really have an "official" way of finding out who's banned so it's kinda pointless to expect that merit sources would consider it.

Upgrade00

legendary

Activity: 2114

Merit: 2248

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If a post is accurate and would be helpful to those who come across it on the forum then it deserves to be merited whether or not the user is inactive or a hoarder. Merit sources are expected to make the effort to spend their smerits, regular users are advised to, but it's their prerogative to choose whether or not to. I'd rather have multiple hoarders posting quality content than regular merit distributors who do not post quality (I understand that there are users who do both).
The same applies to banned users in my opinion. Merit is not reward for good behavior but for quality content, if such content is still visible and still helpful, it is worthy of merits.

Secondary motives of merit creation (circling) shouldn't invalidate the primary objective (encouraging quality content). More merit sources can always be added along with their merit stash increased.

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

if I see that a user has been banned for a long time, I will not send him merit, because that makes no sense. He will no longer need him. Yes, and in the discussions when this issue was raised, all the same, most were inclined to the fact that it makes no sense for banned users to send merits.

I get what you mean from the perspective of a forum user who needs Merit. My perspective, coming from a Merit source who always has a hard time "unloading" all sMerit, is that Merit is deserved by posts, not users. Good posts should be highlighted, even if the user was banned (even though there's a list of shame for Meriting banned users).
I usually don't send Merit "so that they can distribute it themselves". That's just a side-effect of Meriting a post.

There's another reason for my stance: sMerit isn't scarce. Theymos can create as much of it as he wants.

Findingnemo

hero member

Activity: 2366

Merit: 793

Bitcoin = Financial freedom

Sending merits to a banned account is completely useless and I rarely see any banned account receiving merits once they banned. But it doesn't really matter to check the merit sending history while you are meriting, if they don't like to send their merits then its they choice and even theymos clearly mentioned holding sMerits has no real benefits.

Harlot

hero member

Activity: 1806

Merit: 672

I'm not a merit source as well but I have read dozens of merit related topics here in the meta to know that merit sources do some kind of background checks in the user before they send their merits. Some merit sources do read the post history of these members if they only find that only one post was helpful/useful and the rest are from bounty campaigns or spam threads they don't continue giving that person a merit. Some merit sources on the other hand check merit summaries of these people to see if there is a merit abuse going on but I have never read any merit source not giving merits just because they are hoarding merits.

o_e_l_e_o

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 18706

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 18, 2020, 10:26:07 AM

the total merit sent will be one less than the total source merit available

One less than double the total source merit available.

PrimeNumber7

copper member

Activity: 1624

Merit: 1899

Amazon Prime Member #7

During my time here, I have given out many hundreds of merits, more than some merit sources. It would be nice to be able to spend more merit, but that is a different matter.

When I send merit, I am highlighting the post, I am signaling to others that I believe you should read the post because it is useful, insightful, helpful, or there was a lot of effort put into it.

Assuming that all sMerit is sent every month, and assuming there is no sMerit at the beginning of the month, the total merit sent will be one less than double the total source merit available, if everyone receives an even number amount of merit. In practice less will be spent because not everyone spends all their sMerit and some people have an off number of merit.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 18, 2020, 10:29:58 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 18, 2020, 10:26:07 AM

the total merit sent will be one less than the total source merit available

One less than double the total source merit available.

Fixed. Thanks.

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

Activity: 3458

Merit: 6948

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 18, 2020, 07:33:10 AM

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

the main thing is that the post is useful.

This.

Though I mostly agree with this, I wouldn't merit any of satoshi's posts, and I don't think I've ever merited any of Theymos's. That isn't because of their post quality, but because I don't think the merits I would give them would be distributed in turn to other members who need them. Theymos does merit posts, but I think he's got far more sMerits than he can send at the moment.

As for typical members I send merit to, I don't check to see what they've done with their merits in the past. For one thing, it would be time-consuming to do that, and for another I just don't care all that much. So ultimately if I know for a fact that a member is completely inactive or a known merit hoarder, I might pass them over if I see a quality post made by them, but I don't have hard-and-fast rules as far as that goes.

Little Mouse

legendary

Activity: 2156

Merit: 2100

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Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

For example, when evaluating posts, if I see that a user has been banned for a long time, I will not send him merit, because that makes no sense.

I do not think anyone check a profile whether they are banned or not when sending merits. There has no tag of banned user in the forum. I doubt a lot of people use personalized script to check status.
If anyone takes such time to check user status, if they are banned or not, if they are active or not, no one would distribute all of their merits.
On top of that, merit should be given to quality post so that readers can identify the quality posts when they visit a thread. So, after all, I should give priority to quality rather than all other aspects.

o_e_l_e_o

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 18706

Half the time I don't even pay attention to the username I am meriting, let alone if they are a merit hoarder, inactive, banned, and so on. I've even merited a user that I have then reported a few minutes later because it turned out to be plagiarism.

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Quote from: tranthidung on August 18, 2020, 07:37:46 AM

8 smerits if distribute well will result in 8 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 0.5 = 15.5 smeris in total and only 15 smerit can be distributed.

The bottom line was that from 8 merites you can get 7 more, so I was not mistaken about anything, maybe the translation is not entirely clear.

Being completely pedantic, but actually you are both wrong. Given that sending any amount of merit results in exactly one half of that merit becoming available to the recipient as sendable merit, it is in essence an infinite series which converges on 1. Therefore, 8 merits when fully distributed (approaching infinity) result in 8 sMerits.

Daniel91

legendary

Activity: 3374

Merit: 1824

Since I'm from Croatia and I speak Croatian, my primary desire is to help with merits local Croatian members of this forum for posts in Croatian that others can't understand and reward with merits.
That’s why I decided to become a merit source and apply here.
In the Croatian part of the forum, I started a topic where local members can report their quality posts on this forum, in both Croatian and English.
If they meet the quality criteria, I reward them with a merit.
This means that only active local members can get merits.
Of course, I also reward the good posts of other members on this forum, especially in the beginners section, with the desire to help new members.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on August 18, 2020, 07:45:07 AM

< ... >

I have some of such data too. Till last Friday merit data dump, there are some stats (see below). Notice that there are 20161 users who only received merits (includes permanent banned users).

Quote from: tranthidung on August 14, 2020, 10:13:15 PM

Number of users who only earned at least 1 merit: 20161
Number of users who only sent at least 1 merit: 7576
Number of users who earned AND sent at least 1 merit: 15032
Number of users who earned OR sent at least 1 merit: 42569

Quote from: ?? on ??

AND? the essence of this has changed? I didn't count all the halves. The bottom line was that from 8 merites you can get 7 more, so I was not mistaken about anything, maybe the translation is not entirely clear.

Sorry. Your calculation is fine but you made a typo or write incorrect info, merit source only receive smerit from theymos. It is what I want to contribute and help you to correct it.

6-month restructure is only a plan of theymos. Just a plan.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

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I seldom pay attention to that fact, although recently I caught myself meriting a profile (that deserved it), but whom I spotted has barely sent any, despite receiving plenty. That’s his prerogative, and since the posts were contributive, I went ahead.

This is the list of those profiles that have sent less number of merits in relation to the amount of merits they have earned (some for obvious reasons), having earned at least 200 Merits:

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user_id   name                                    MeritReceived  MeritSent Ratio     url
3         satoshi                                 2329           0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3
143       laszlo                                  380            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143
2436      Hal                                     756            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2436
43526     ocminer                                 236            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43526
106374    deadsea33                               243            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106374
130792    sidehack                                585            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=130792
886352    RichDaniel                              283            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=886352
905442    TheBobyHunter                           244            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=905442
917021    fine99                                  250            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=917021
1432750   gallisiardi                             205            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432750
1533708   mgoz                                    210            0         0.0000    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1533708
37522     Tomatocage                              208            1         0.0048    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37522
364237    Kialara                                 256            2         0.0078    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=364237
19971     -ck                                     353            3         0.0084    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=19971
42880     Shawshank                               214            2         0.0093    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=42880
212012    nopara73                                274            3         0.0109    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=212012
26945     GameKyuubi                              555            10        0.0180    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26945
24792     Phinnaeus Gage                          558            13        0.0232    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24792
38894     SaltySpitoon                            1148           38        0.0331    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38894
980501    Artemis3                                954            37        0.0387    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=980501
1285294   TERA2                                   212            10        0.0471    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1285294
366233    wndsnb                                  257            13        0.0505    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366233
412662    tonych                                  363            20        0.0550    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=412662
1115697   realr0ach                               211            12        0.0568    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1115697
65269     likehiro                                252            17        0.0674    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65269
1701092   Husires                                 298            23        0.0771    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1701092
109482    jseverson                               228            19        0.0833    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109482
647331    PassThePopcorn                          206            19        0.0922    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=647331
1726270   Mamaecrypto                             215            20        0.0930    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1726270
338591    Thirdspace                              226            22        0.0973    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=338591
1730428   bakasabo                                216            22        0.1018    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1730428
324365    jstefanop                               251            26        0.1035    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=324365
1656984   thierry4wd                              217            23        0.1059    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1656984
2550169   Jean_Luc                                368            44        0.1195    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2550169
140582    gbianchi                                291            38        0.1305    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140582
381705    cellard                                 212            28        0.1320    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381705
1208052   frankbitcoin                            274            39        0.1423    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1208052
1056258   mithrim                                 309            44        0.1423    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1056258
1099535   dolphriends                             275            40        0.1454    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1099535
36044     kano                                    292            43        0.1472    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36044
1108331   explorder                               380            58        0.1526    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1108331
379920    dmwardjr                                264            42        0.1590    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379920
2578892   Jawhead999                              447            72        0.1610    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2578892
1273026   Bagiira                                 209            34        0.1626    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1273026
823344    Traxo                                   327            55        0.1681    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=823344
11425     gmaxwell                                3171           555       0.1750    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425
5797      grue                                    219            42        0.1917    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5797
1052653   ui_zakharchenko                         225            44        0.1955    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052653
316604    CryptoImperator                         203            41        0.2019    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=316604
879277    Coding Enthusiast                       1317           273       0.2072    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=879277
1003345   ChipMixer                               273            57        0.2087    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1003345
2538373   whotookmycrypto                         208            44        0.2115    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2538373
405464    mocacinno                               1470           313       0.2129    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=405464
1069508   aleksej996                              229            49        0.2139    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1069508
239328    jack0m                                  210            45        0.2142    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=239328
1002739   OneNattyLitecoin                        235            54        0.2297    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1002739
657456    Nomad88                                 218            51        0.2339    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=657456
1626490   safar1980                               363            85        0.2341    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1626490
2724574   FP91G                                   268            64        0.2388    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2724574
352429    BitcoinPenny                            716            172       0.2402    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=352429
374061    Kakmakr                                 477            115       0.2410    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=374061
1090672   Smart man                               506            122       0.2411    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1090672

Some of those listed are pretty helpful as far as I'm concerned. The profile I mentioned above is on the list, and now I recognize a few others. Nevertheless, if the posts are resourceful, I’d still give them merits (I might reconsider were my sendable merit balance low, taking into account other considerations).

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

As I understand it, when theymos created the merit system, he meant that after the merit sources received merit from him, they in turn distributed them to users. And users who received merit from the merit sources also distributed them to other users.

It is a role of merit source but not a mandatory task they have to finish each month. Being a merit source and distribute sMerit to others are kind of free task so that merit sources are free to handle all smerit allocated to their accounts.

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In total, a certain scheme turned out that 8 merites issued for merit sources turned into 15 merites in total, because the merites distributed were always divided by 2 and new smerites were obtained, which continued to spread to users.

8 - 4 - 2 - 1 = 15 merits

You are wrong. Merit sources only received smerit and they are not received a single merit for being merit sources. Your calculation, consequently, is wrong too. 8 smerits if distribute well will result in
8 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 0.5 = 15.5 smeris in total and only 15 smerit can be distributed.

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But some users break this scheme of distribution of merites, leaving them with themselves and without sending them to anyone else.

Last year, theymos restructured merit sources and he said he will recalculate things each 6 months.

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For example, when evaluating posts, if I see that a user has been banned for a long time, I will not send him merit, because that makes no sense.

Sometimes, you don't know that user is perma banned or not if he did not wear an avatar. If he wears an avatar, you can only guess if you don't dig deeply and investigate. Honestly, I don't think there are reasons to do such investigation before sending my smerit to others.

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So now the question itself: Do you pay attention to those users who never send anything to anyone when sending them a merit or you don't care, the main thing is that the post is useful.

satoshi, Hal, and some others have received many merit and they deserve that. No need to take their (in)activity into account.

sheenshane

legendary

Activity: 2366

Merit: 1206

Sorry for interfering with your topic even I'm not a merit source, allow me to share my idea.

If you want to hear my opinion, this would be my reason.
I will not choose who the users are, (if I'm a merit source) I will give merit those post that something contributed to the community and help a lot of people IF they deserve to have. I'm usually more interested in an open topic post that gives technical and fundamental advice related to crypto stuff. And, I will not merit old topics, more likely fresh topics much better.

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

But some users break this scheme of distribution of merites, leaving them with themselves and without sending them to anyone else. For what reasons they do not distribute them, it is not known, maybe they are just too lazy to do this, or maybe they are very demanding on the quality of posts and are looking for posts of the Satoshi level to evaluate.

Since they aren't merit source, probably they had a high standard of giving merit. If they got this merit because of worth it post, there's no problem. But it would be better if no one will not hoard merit(s). It's different with me, I usually spent out when I got merit. We have nothing to do about this, their merit, their right how to spend with it.

suchmoon

legendary

Activity: 3654

Merit: 8909

https://bpip.org

Quote from: Symmetrick on August 18, 2020, 07:14:28 AM

the main thing is that the post is useful.

This.

All that other stuff is a waste of time and makes merit sending too complicated. It doesn't matter what the recipient will or will not do with the merits/smerits. The purpose of the merit system is to award posts, not users.

The only thing that I occasionally check for is plagiarism - if I suspect that the user sounds unusually eloquent. But I'm sure I've merited some plagiarised posts over the years. Shit happens.

JeromeTash

legendary

Activity: 2282

Merit: 1252

Heisenberg

I am not a merit source but whenever I am to send merit, i do try to check the user's merit history. If they are merit hoarders, I don't send anything, and also in most cases i send Merits to recent posts so it's very rare for me to send to inactive or previously banned profiles.

Symmetrick

hero member

Activity: 520

Merit: 11957

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