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Quote from: KingsDen on July 04, 2021, 05:03:54 PM

Quote from: worldofcoins on July 04, 2021, 03:02:32 PM

Thanks for explanation.
Bumping is a great feature then. How can I bump a post? Any rule as of how old a post will be and cannot be bumped again?
I have read somewhere in the rule where it is said to not Bump more than 3 posts or so within 24hrs, but I haven't read where it is stated for how old a post will be and will not be fit to be bumped again.
Or is it the purpose for this thread?

let's go one more time.
When you open a topic, you use BUMP post just to raise the visibility. You can do it once per 24h. it's pointless for me to do a bump for a topic that someone else started, although there are situations when that also happens.
If you started more than one topic, you can bump it each but still only once per day.
You should need to delete all previous bumps and leave only the last ^{in each topic if you have more than one}.

any other situation is considered spam and your surplus posts will be reported and deleted.

To the OP, you always leave the last bump post and don’t report it, because in the end it is still allowed to do it once.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on July 04, 2021, 03:02:32 PM

Thanks for explanation.
Bumping is a great feature then. How can I bump a post? Any rule as of how old a post will be and cannot be bumped again?
I have read somewhere in the rule where it is said to not Bump more than 3 posts or so within 24hrs, but I haven't read where it is stated for how old a post will be and will not be fit to be bumped again.
Or is it the purpose for this thread?

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Quote from: KingsDen on July 04, 2021, 12:58:43 PM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 02, 2021, 05:09:45 AM

Please sir, what is a Bump as being used in this Forum?
Maybe after your answer, I can decipher when a bump is said to be old.
Incase I may not, you can assist me also by saying when a bump is old.

Bump is a "Post" done by the original poster of the thread to Rank up the thread to the 1st page of the Board if it's on 2,3,4, etc Pages of the Board.
For this very reason, most people look at the active threads that are on the 1st page and maybe the 2nd or 3rd but not dead topics that are present on other pages of the board.

Look at this thread for example - The moment before I made this post quoting yours the thread was on the 2nd line of the page (Excluding pinned posts) "http://prntscr.com/18koz12"

And after I made this post - The thread came to 1st line on the board (Excluding pinned posts) "http://prntscr.com/18kpo4b"

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 02, 2021, 05:09:45 AM

Please sir, what is a Bump as being used in this Forum?
Maybe after your answer, I can decipher when a bump is said to be old.
Incase I may not, you can assist me also by saying when a bump is old.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 02, 2021, 05:09:45 AM

sometimes they just don't care enough to do it and figure a mod will take care of the problem (if they even give it a second thought). I don't know how big of a problem this is overall, but I wouldn't worry too much about it, OP. Just keep reporting any violations and you've done your part.

Mistakes or lapse of concentration also happen. I know I've forgotten to delete old bumps, and have gone back to do it after either remembering or seeing it again. So, while old bumps aren't necessarily a massive deal, its just general etiquette as it keeps the forum clean, and therefore easier to read.

Obviously, there can be more malicious ways to use a bump, but its often just carelessness or forgetfulness when it comes to old bumps.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 12, 2021, 07:29:50 AM

It would be logical that only the last bump was left after the reports, but in this particular case the moderator may have made a mistake or simply left one bump post regardless of the date.

That's what it sounds like the mod did, and who knows what was going on in their mind? Being a moderator on a forum like this, where there's so much crap to delete and so many reports to process has got to be an almost overwhelming job--and I give bitcointalk mods a lot of credit for the work they do. They're paid to do the job, but my understanding is that it's not exactly a job that would make someone wealthy. Be glad they deleted all the old bumps they did, and if you see any subsequent bumps accumulating, report those too.

I'd wager that a lot of members haven't really read through the rules here and aren't aware that they need to delete old bumps--and even if members have read the rules, sometimes they just don't care enough to do it and figure a mod will take care of the problem (if they even give it a second thought). I don't know how big of a problem this is overall, but I wouldn't worry too much about it, OP. Just keep reporting any violations and you've done your part.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2021, 10:39:25 AM

Yes: rule 13. And if I were a mod, this would take priority against rule 21, because it unfairly bumps the thread to the top, so I would delete the newest bump first. Then the old bump may no longer break rule 21. But again, that's just my interpretation.

Generally speaking, I think most moderators in this instance would delete the newest bump, as that's the one that's infringing the rules at the time. The old bump will likely be deleted later on once the discussion has continued or there's been new bumps which are 24 hours after the previous bump.

I'd recommend to anyone reporting bumps to follow the following guidance:

Bump post under 24 hours after the previous: Report the post which infringes the rule

Reporting multiple old bumps: Report only one of the posts that are bumping the thread, usually either the earliest one possible or the latest one in the thread that is a old bump, and indicate that there are more that need to be deleted in the thread.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2021, 10:39:25 AM

And if I were a mod, this would take priority against rule 21, because it unfairly bumps the thread to the top, so I would delete the newest bump first. Then the old bump may no longer break rule 21. But again, that's just my interpretation.

If there's no other post between those bumps and they have been made in less than 24 hours, I would report the newest post for breaking rule number 32 (making multiple posts in a row). If so, there's a high probability that moderators delete the last post.

Quote from: Little Mouse on June 12, 2021, 11:37:42 AM

I really don't see the rule to be applied now a days as activity alone can't make someone higher rank. Nack in the day, when merit wasn’t introduced, the rule was applied so that people stop spamming to rank up their id.

The rule in question is still being applied.
People don't bump the topics to increase their activity number and rank up. They bump the topics to bring them to top of the boards.

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May be little off-topic.
I really don't see the rule to be applied now a days as activity alone can't make someone higher rank. Nack in the day, when merit wasn’t introduced, the rule was applied so that people stop spamming to rank up their id.

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In general, as I understand it, even the freshest bump can be reported if the time between the last bump and the previous one is less than 24 hours?

Yes: rule 13. And if I were a mod, this would take priority against rule 21, because it unfairly bumps the thread to the top, so I would delete the newest bump first. Then the old bump may no longer break rule 21. But again, that's just my interpretation.

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Maybe, but then this is bad, because at the time of sending the reports there were violations, and the reporter cannot see how someone else had already sent a report about this violation earlier. If such a system worked throughout the forum, then in my statistics there were thousands of 10 000 bad reports. Cheesy

Again, there is no reason to worry about your bad reports unless you have like 50% of them. You report violations as you see them, moderators might prioritize reports or otherwise interpret them differently, no big deal.

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I never send such huge poems for moderators, I always indicate the point of violation of the rules and that's it. in this case, for bumps throughout the forum, I always have a single format for sending a report:

Code:

old bump

This might be a bit of a problem, especially if there is a change - e.g. some posts no longer exist, been edited, moved, etc - by the time moderator looks at them. If you want to make it easier for mods and/or improve your reporting accuracy you can give some context, provide a link to LoyceV's or TryNinja's archive. Maybe you'd get "unhandled" instead of "bad" if mods can see that you reported correctly but circumstances changed.

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I've just reported one of the bumps in the middle of a long row of bumps: "Many forgotten bumps, please check the topic".

Quote from: suchmoon on June 12, 2021, 07:25:27 AM

For example, maybe the last two posts were removed because they were posted within less than 24 hours.

That would be my guess indeed.

Quote from: tranthidung on June 12, 2021, 08:46:11 AM

Those bump posts can be not in-a-row and probably are burried by other non-bump posts.

That's not the case here, see loyce.club/archive/topics/533/5330964.html.
He often bumps the topic 2 or 3 times per day.

Even if a bump is burried in a topic, just report it with: "forgotten bump".

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Those bump posts can be not in-a-row and probably are burried by other non-bump posts. Hence, moderators who handle reports on those bumps can not see chronological orders of those bumps.

Not all moderators will spend time to look at a whole topic in which reports come from. They handle specific reports they received.

It can be a mistake as well but it is not a big one. Old bumps do not have effects today even they are not handled in the way you want with your report.

I don't know what you wrote for your reports. I'd prefer to make my report like that (if there are same posts in a specific topic)

Code:

This bump breaks the rule 24h/ bump post. There are more similar bump posts in this topic. Please check them all.

I think a note will help moderators and save my time as well. I don't have to report all bumps in that topic.

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It would be logical that only the last bump was left after the reports, but in this particular case the moderator may have made a mistake or simply left one bump post regardless of the date. I don't see any doubt as to how things should be moderated about those who break the rule - except that those who keep repeating it are sanctioned with a temporary ban, because that's the only way for them to understand that there is a delete button and that there is a rule of 24 hours between bumps.

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Quote from: Symmetrick on June 12, 2021, 06:13:41 AM

I honestly don't understand what the logic is. Remove the most recent bumps, but keep the bump 2 days old. How can a bump published on June 11 be considered old, but published on June 9 is not? Can someone explain to me the principle of defining old bumps Huh

You're too focused on your version on things but mods don't always see the same thing.

For example, maybe the last two posts were removed because they were posted within less than 24 hours. Could have been reported by someone else and/or removed by a different mod. Then your report of post #5 was no longer valid.

If ALL your reports turned out "bad", that might be something to be concerned about, but now... stop worrying about it and move on.

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