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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

I think the most common reason a casino ban someone's account (because they have more than one account) is because he is trying to get the welcome bonus again. The welcome bonus can only be claimed once, so trying to get the bonus again is considered as cheating.
It could probably also be banned by trying to cheat the odds system with not allowed betting, but to be honest, I don't know exactly how it works.

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Back when I was playing at YoloDice, the reason why ethan has done multiple ban wave is that there are many users who created a shitload of account to abuse the "Free" crypto claims whenever the wallet balance of that particular account has been reduced to 0.

They usually transfer the balance to their alt accounts until the free claim has run out. And yeah, they're doing it multiple times with multiple account in just a day! Incidents like these are the reason why gambling sites doesn't allow their users to have multiple account -- to at least give limitation for people whose hungry for money..

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Quote from: zanezane on October 04, 2021, 01:26:17 AM

I don't know exactly the reason of those sites but one thing that I am sure of as to why they ban multi accounts is because they don't like to encourage exploitation especially with rewards and at the same time deter those exploiters.

They just don't want for a gambler to abuse the system because if you have multiple accounts, there's a higher chance that you abuse their platform especially the referral program. They are just protecting their own reputation and they can't let any player to abuse it. There's no need for them to explain every rules, we just need to follow it and if you think the rules is not ok, you can just leave the site simple as that.

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The fact that a person creates more account is already a suspicious act. Perhaps, that's a form of a deliberate abuse.
I don't even see any reasonable explanation why would someone creates multiple accounts on a gambling website, except the lost accounts.

Just like everyone said, the online casino doesn't want to give free bonuses to the same person twice. They might want a fair share for everyone who uses their service.
Plain and simple, the main reason why online casinos doesn't allow multiple "active" accounts is because it will eliminate the fairness of the casino.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

The reason is they just want to combat those exploiters that just wantk to milk the casino over multi-accounting. For sure if you have a firm that you own you'd be never be happy as well if someone wants to abuse it because if in the long run it will be the same scenario then it will be bad for a business.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

There is nothing magical that you don't know. The reason behind that is simple: Casino has to verify the account you gamble with and they'll ask to submit KYC. One person = one account. The reason why they ban multiple accounts is because of the abuse potential. You may sit on a 3 person poker table with two of your account and use it as an advantage to win over another person. With two account, you can cheat well. Not only this but you can also abuse promotions. Check websites like freebitco, Bitsler, Fortunejack and check their promotions, the structure of their promotions looks like it won't be fair for the rest of honest players if someone plays with multiple accounts.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on October 04, 2021, 05:36:22 AM

if they will allow multiple accounts? then there are maybe millions or billions of players and will joining their freebies for that particular law.

gambling site has many places to give funds for events.

The main reason for the ban is abuse, I think it's alright to create multiple accounts if it's not used to take advantage of anything. Most casinos offered anonymous gambling, then it should not be a problem for them if you have multiple accounts as you can dispose one of your accounts and create a new one.

I have multiple accounts on some of the gambling sites but I don't face any problem, maybe there are some that restrict it but we should be aware of the TOS and just abide by the rules to avoid problems.

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if they will allow multiple accounts? then there are maybe millions or billions of players and will joining their freebies for that particular law.

gambling site has many places to give funds for events.

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If we put aside all the bonuses for new players. Are multiple accounts real reasons for bans?

I've seen people on twitch stream their poker games. Sometimes streamer play on 4-8 tables simultaneously. Why this is not allowed? Chances of him loosing money is 3-7 times more, compared if he would play only on one table. This is allowed.

While playing blackjack offline, I can put more than one bet. This will be two my bets against dealer. Isnt is a multiple account usage in IRL ? This is fully allowed.

Right now I have opened two chrome pages Dice and Plinko from a single account. I can play both games simultaneously. But I can not play Dice from one account and Plinko from other. I cant find logical explanation of that.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on October 02, 2021, 03:55:10 PM

Well, I think not all of them ^{[I saw casinos that allow multiple accounts]}--in this case, you must open to them is if you are allowed to create another account. Perhaps the possible reason is prone to abuse, running two accounts in one casino is everywhere restricted and that is always on their TOS. However, in scam accusation has a different story, but usually, cases are users did not read the TOS and without knowing them they already prohibit the law which is very risky, the most punishments is blocking your account. If you deactivated one and then create another one, there is no problem but I think always read the TOS will not put you in danger and it is best if you have one account.

Having more than one account is really prone to abuse.
This is the major reason why most casinos are not allowing such practice.
For those scam allegations, most of them haven't read the ToS of the site before creating their other accounts.
So it is not the fault of the site, but the player himself.
And if you are a gambler, what do you think is your main reason of creating another account?
Though some just want to separate their activities but a lot are after for some referral bonus or other things that the site deemed as abuse.

This topic should be moved to gambling discussion board - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0.

The reason of separating activities is too weird already, why not put it all on one account? as having multiple accounts is already suspicious and the reason mostly behind making multiple accounts is to abuse the system, the freebies, the referral bonuses, if Casinos let users get away with this then that's just poor management and security overall, unfair and abusive, even if it's not the Casino's fault and the player not reading the ToS, the toll would still be on the Casino itself because they've let users spam and abuse this kind of system.

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Quote from: MrcMrc on October 04, 2021, 12:00:34 AM

Sometimes, the creation of multiple accounts is legal why other instances it’s illegal and the gambling site can close your accounts with no warning or refund of your deposits, truly this situation has caused all the crises as gambling sites are always accused of scams arising from such incidents. One of the major reasons is the abuse of the bonus system. This is said to be the creation of multiple accounts with the intent to repeatedly claim bonuses on them.

That still cheats the casino because they only want to claim more bonuses without thinking about getting banned from the casino. I think that is happening in many casinos and we see many cases of banning or blocking many users' accounts in that casino without refunding the deposits money. That will be the user's mistake because they are trying to have multiple accounts but if the casino allows that, maybe the casino needs to explain why they ban the user account.

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Quote from: zanezane on October 04, 2021, 01:26:17 AM

I don't know exactly the reason of those sites but one thing that I am sure of as to why they ban multi accounts is because they don't like to encourage exploitation especially with rewards and at the same time deter those exploiters.

but not all that open more than one account in a gambling site has an evil plan like that but some open more than one account because of some reasons like they believe that they could be lucky in their other accounts if they loss in the first account .
we know that sounds silly but thats what they believe and they believe on it because it already happen to them . i knew several gamblers that play like this before .

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I don't know exactly the reason of those sites but one thing that I am sure of as to why they ban multi accounts is because they don't like to encourage exploitation especially with rewards and at the same time deter those exploiters.

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Sometimes, the creation of multiple accounts is legal why other instances it’s illegal and the gambling site can close your accounts with no warning or refund of your deposits, truly this situation has caused all the crises as gambling sites are always accused of scams arising from such incidents. One of the major reasons is the abuse of the bonus system. This is said to be the creation of multiple accounts with the intent to repeatedly claim bonuses on them.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on October 02, 2021, 07:13:53 PM

One might wonder why anyone would ever need to open more than one account at an online casino? After all, it's not very practical for a single user, right?
In my opinion, creating more than one account at an online casino is usually used to take advantage of promotions and bonuses, so it is understandable why casinos don't allow it.

While I agree to what you have said, but there still a brain to detect why user may have multiple accounts. So for example I’d ban those who have connected accounts and withdraw bonuses from tips / bonuses / faucets /... Etc (which are usually exterme small amounts) , but shouldn’t ban the user that have deposited thousands of dollars and wagared just because he is connected with XXXX and XXXX and XXXX. So the idea is W.T.F. they have earned or spammed with these accounts? In addition I don’t know what are the promotions that gives free money now.

Anyway, my point was : If TOS says no multi account. Why does it say so?
- So it says that to prevent spammers from abusing the bonuses and free money systems.

It has nothing to do with a user that deposits and withdraw even if have 100 accounts. In addition if he is a regular user, they should see activity on the other accounts as well. It could be a lost account and many more possibilities. Some users even say they don’t have connection with these accounts which extreme weird to me. - WTF the value of these accounts to cause the casino ban it? Did they earn million of dollars through spamming the bonuses ? -

It doesn't matter if one account deposit hundred of dollars and one thousand dollars the fact that he breaks the rule of having
multiple accounts, it's not the obligation of the gambling operator of cleaning up your mess or picking the right account, if you lose your account you can always recover it by getting the help of support when it comes to investing or putting money in any project you have to follow what the developers implementing, they want to be fair to all users, they don't want anyone posting that he has multiple accounts and violating the rules and getting away with it.

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The point about the poker is a good one or any other multiple player game would be enough reason. Also there are often referrals to consider and tipping allows transfers between players also which can be some way to get around other rules designed to only allow one bonus per player and so on. If its in the rules I wouldn't want to risk such a rule break lightly, sometimes its possible to ask their old account is cancelled.

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One of the others... it is a referral system that is often provided by the casino site, but it's just that it is forbidden to chat in chat rooms using more than one account, usually this happens for sites that provide rain on chat. It's actually impossible to harm their site because many other gamblers make deposits and betting, but this will trigger other users to have the same initiation so that more and more users do not make deposits ever, only using free crypto from the chat room, which gives a bad impact for that site. And in a long time will make the site quiet from the people who make deposits and interest to gamble for a long time in it.

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For gambling operators, it's hard to manage big numbers of users when the majority of these are fake or multiple accounts so in case you want to give a bonus if you have a big event you will check who among users are multiple accounts, so it's better to implement this rule right away when a user is signing up, for a user assume that majority of casinos do not accept multiple accounts because of this obvious reason so don't try to cheat.

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Mostly to avoid the rewards and bonuses to any particular person with multiple accounts this is being done. Beyond this there are platforms were it is very transparent to see people having multiple accounts and benefitting good out of it. Also no actions were taken just because they're high rollers. I saw an user who has the names with the number 1,2,3 added at the end. Also two of this accounts were on the top during a race. Everyone knew it is multiple account, but they secured good position on the race and were rewarded.

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The answer is simple, there are users that abuse the offers the casino provides and if you are caught cheating their system they have the system in place to catch them. I am playing in multiple casinos for years and i never had any issues with any of the casinos because i do not take advantage of their system nor interested in taking their freebies if i use another account to gamble.

Majority of the casino system only flags you if you are taking advantage of their system and then win big amounts and if that is the case they will flag your account and may not allow you to withdraw the coins.

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You are wrong, casinos are offering free money in the form of referral rewards, and some casinos have faucets for free money so they can try the games, you should not question casino rules on why they implement only one account, the two features are prone to abuse, faucet and referrals rewards if you want the casino to treat you right then don't cheat and it will be fair to you.

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I always thought it's because a lot of casinos give bonuses to their players, whether it's first deposit bonuses or others, and if someone can open multiple accounts they can abuse it and get bonuses on each one, and casinos have limits on the amount you can bet with but with multiple accounts people can abuse that as well and use a maximum bet on 2 or more different accounts on the same thing, maybe these are some of the reasons.

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Quote from: livingfree on October 03, 2021, 04:03:50 PM

But the thing is that not all gamblers are going through the TOS of the casino they sign up so they miss that part. No one wants to allocate that much time reading all of those clauses and long reads.

they could try and only read what they deemed important. I mean, that is what I do whenever I try a new gambling site that I find or is being advertised here in the forum.

Quote from: livingfree on October 03, 2021, 04:03:50 PM

Although it's quite long, it's very important to understand every rule that the casino implements where you're playing like the title that has been brought by op.

exactly it is important reading the ToS will only benefit them in the long run. I've seen scam accusation here in the forum where the accuser has no Idea that VPN, multi-account, etc..., is not allowed or the gambler is in a restricted country.

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 03, 2021, 01:39:27 AM

Try sitting on a poker table where two of the players knew each of their cards. You don't even have to be among them to know this is not gonna end up good for other players.

But I'm not sure how they can cheat with two-three accounts in playing luck games. If the casino however does not allow multiple accounts, why should you try having more accounts? Clearly, you have something in mind that they don't like which you also like. Cheesy

That's the same question I ask myself! Why would you want to own more than one account one account on the same casino? Not like they are giving out bonuses on accounts opened according to OP. Well, it could be at that time but then, these bonuses do come around at times, maybe in times of anniversary or some promotions of some sort and by owning 2 accounts, you get them both. These are the sort of thing I think the casino companies are hoping to avoid. Not immediate but a feature ocvurance and it seems okay.
To think of it, not many persons or users have the time to read T&C but, its usually helpful if you could, it would save you a lot of trouble!

From what I have seen and observed, most players with more than one account have ill intentions why they are doing that. So it is just right for the casino to limit the account or to ban multi-accounts to prevent abuse of its usage. If you have no other intentions, one account is more than enough to enjoy your games inside the site. If not, you can always go to other casinos and open a new account but not another account to the same casino.

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 03, 2021, 01:39:27 AM

Try sitting on a poker table where two of the players knew each of their cards. You don't even have to be among them to know this is not gonna end up good for other players.

But I'm not sure how they can cheat with two-three accounts in playing luck games. If the casino however does not allow multiple accounts, why should you try having more accounts? Clearly, you have something in mind that they don't like which you also like. Cheesy

That's the same question I ask myself! Why would you want to own more than one account one account on the same casino? Not like they are giving out bonuses on accounts opened according to OP. Well, it could be at that time but then, these bonuses do come around at times, maybe in times of anniversary or some promotions of some sort and by owning 2 accounts, you get them both. These are the sort of thing I think the casino companies are hoping to avoid. Not immediate but a feature ocvurance and it seems okay.
To think of it, not many persons or users have the time to read T&C but, its usually helpful if you could, it would save you a lot of trouble!

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Quote from: Hamphser on October 03, 2021, 02:48:19 PM

So as a gambler then you should be aware on how it works and what are the common terms and conditions of a certain casino.

But the thing is that not all gamblers are going through the TOS of the casino they sign up so they miss that part. No one wants to allocate that much time reading all of those clauses and long reads.

Although it's quite long, it's very important to understand every rule that the casino implements where you're playing like the title that has been brought by op.

Well that is the problem --even spending time at least 20-30 mins reading the term of use is the most important.
On my part, I always read TOS as always because you don't know that there is a part that you can violate it has a risk in your account that you will never know, not unless you are already there and being punished. Upon creating a second account, you should tell the casino about your purpose in creating another account. Because for them, you may abuse the promos if you have more than one account so it is better you can avoid it.

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Quote from: Hamphser on October 03, 2021, 02:48:19 PM

So as a gambler then you should be aware on how it works and what are the common terms and conditions of a certain casino.

But the thing is that not all gamblers are going through the TOS of the casino they sign up so they miss that part. No one wants to allocate that much time reading all of those clauses and long reads.

Although it's quite long, it's very important to understand every rule that the casino implements where you're playing like the title that has been brought by op.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

That is mainly because there are promotions, nothing more. If it was purely just "let's play dice on 10 different accounts and lose all of our money" then they would definitely allow you to do that. However there are affiliate breaches, there are promotions breaches, there are boost breaches.

Basically something that only one person should get from casino as a reward or a marketing thing ends up getting into multiple accounts of that one same person. That part is the one that they do not allow. Believe me if there were a 100% bonus up to $100 and you did that with 10 accounts it is not same as "they have house edge anyway" issue for them, they lose money on that and that is why they are against it.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

Ban evasion for multiple account is necessary. Because they provide several types of bonus who are active on bets as well as they provide bonus for the active users on the chat section (maximum site but not all). So, if you have multiple account and claim bonus for all of your account then that is not fair. Is it fair???

Im seeing this to be a reason most of the time where multi-accounts is prohibited specially when claiming a bonus or would be abusing that promotion because it isnt really fair in the first place.

Some gambling sites doesnt really ban out multi account as long you dont do anything something stupid or shady but they arent blind that you do have lots thats why you shouldnt do anything stupid.

So as a gambler then you should be aware on how it works and what are the common terms and conditions of a certain casino.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on October 03, 2021, 03:37:52 AM

I don't think there's a valid reason to have multiple accounts on a gambling website, unless there's a malicious reason behind it. If it's stated on their TOS, there's no use trying to make another account, since it could lead to a possible account suspension. Another thought would be due to some gambling websites having a faucet integrated, having multiple accounts cashing out on the faucet is a no-go.

It is due to the program and giveaways that sometimes happen in the casino,in my country when there is a malicious account transfer from casino to bank sometimes there are questions asked or KYC from bank on where themoney comes due to money laundering issues. If some casino do need KYC now then they might also being required from their government if they are casino registered in a country with strict implementation of such law.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

Ban evasion for multiple account is necessary. Because they provide several types of bonus who are active on bets as well as they provide bonus for the active users on the chat section (maximum site but not all). So, if you have multiple account and claim bonus for all of your account then that is not fair. Is it fair???

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

It should be pretty obvious why casinos don't want people to have more than one account - there is no good reason that you should ever need one. The historical reason that people have tried to create multiple accounts is to take advantage of special offers or promotions that are specifically intended to be one per person. The casinos have worked out their budget for these incentives carefully and they want to draw in as many people as possible with their offers, if one person is taking the amount intended to create many other customers then they lose a lot of money. The odds the house calculate are also based on a single player, you would be increasing your win rate on certain games if they allowed this.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

It is not difficult to know why, casinos give bonuses to new accounts in order to attract new customers, if the same person opens an account in the same casino then they are taking advantage of a promotion that was not meant for them anymore, basically they are cheating the casino by violating their rules, and as such casinos are within their rights to block those people, to me this is complete common sense and I do not see why this is some kind of mystery.

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The issue of prohibiting multiple accounts stem from preventing abuses of giveaways and freebies given by these online casinos. In addition, having multiple accounts have the risk of playing against each other- which would disrupt the ecosystem of the website due to potential abuse.

Then again, always read the TOS of the gambling website before anything else. Anything that is mentioned to be prohibited should be avoided or else you would have to suffer the consequences of your actions. In addition, there may be instances where these online websites would lock some accounts for preventive measures- though they may release statements and reasons behind such action.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on October 03, 2021, 09:20:55 AM

Casinos only ban accounts when duplicate accounts are being used to exploit Bonuses or to farm rain or if you use those accounts to circumvent "bans" in chat channels for some or other transgression. Some people use duplicate accounts to launder money, but they are quickly flagged ..because the casino use very good technology to detect that. Wink

So, if you try to exploit a casino or some feature they offer.... (eg Bonus drops etc.) ...they will detect that and they will ban or lock both accounts. Just do not do that.... and you will be fine.... there are not a lot of reasons to legitimately use more than one account. Roll Eyes

Depends on the terms and conditions, there are some casinos with strict rules about multi accounts. This kind of casinos will ban your accounts even though you are not abusing bonuses. From player side (real player), I also cant see any benefit of creating multi accounts. Maybe some people believe that they can get better result or better luck with different account.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

If you are an operator of an investment kind of project like gambling casinos or exchange you don't want your users to have multiple accounts in case there is a giveaway, bonus, or free perks it will be a source of abuse you want to implement fairness on your site and it will not happen if your users have multiple accounts that are all that I can't think, gambling operators should manage their project with fairness and equality.

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Casinos only ban accounts when duplicate accounts are being used to exploit Bonuses or to farm rain or if you use those accounts to circumvent "bans" in chat channels for some or other transgression. Some people use duplicate accounts to launder money, but they are quickly flagged ..because the casino use very good technology to detect that. Wink

So, if you try to exploit a casino or some feature they offer.... (eg Bonus drops etc.) ...they will detect that and they will ban or lock both accounts. Just do not do that.... and you will be fine.... there are not a lot of reasons to legitimately use more than one account. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

The use of multiple accounts when playing at an online casino is prohibited. This is no coincidence.

Very often online casinos provide bonuses to new players. Players registering for the first time on the platform have certain advantages. This is for advertising purposes. A person who has two or more accounts can receive two (or more) times as many different bonuses at an online casino.

In addition, a player with multiple accounts can imitate some of the game's actions. This can give him an edge in some gambling.

Thus, the ban on opening more than one account is justified.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I am not sure which casinos you are playing, but from what i know, most of the casino would give you huge first deposit money and other offers for new users and some offer faucets and if they allow multiple accounts they will be abused and many casinos have that bad experience and so is the reason they are specific on catching users who are trying to cheat them.

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I think the reason is because of greed to win more money from the casino. They think that if they have multiple accounts and use bots to playing gambling, that will give them more chances to win. If they read on the TOS, I think many gambling games site does not allow members have multiple accounts so if their members caught by having multiple accounts, the casino can ban their account without takes too long. So it is better not to try to do that, especially if you like to stay at that casino.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

The casinos do promotions occasionally and those who have multiple accounts can abuse those promotions easily. I can't see any other reason to be honest. Maybe using multiple accounts make the tracking harder for the casino because they are logging the IP's of each player and if the guy uses multiple accounts and and different internet lines, it might create some legal problems for the casino.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 03, 2021, 05:07:16 AM

It's all in the TOS, if you use more accounts to abuse the "free money" or their promotion, then you should expect that your account will be ban soon. Casinos are not giving free money actually, this is a promotion that is governed by rules, and in order for it not to be abuse, they will protect their interest by banning accounts that are cheating or suspected of cheating.

actually even if you are not joining their free money event yet they are not allowing anyone to have multiple account unless being informed by them in cases like forgetting our password or emails etc.

Quote from: Alisha-k on October 03, 2021, 03:55:07 AM

I think this isn't a general issues not all casinos ban users with multiple accounts but most times the try to ensure the bonus for new account aren't a abused because most users seems to take advantage of that to create new account to benefit from the bonus and once it vanishes the suspend the account and move on to creating new ones. This should just be a way to ensure their system isn't abused

they will not banned you as long as you are not winning big, but once you try withdrawing big amount then your problem will start and you must know that because your Signature site has tons of that same issue.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

The casino thinks there could be some fund abuse from alt account as there are lot of promotional events in which they distribute free money and if organize some skill based contest and if you have those skills you could probably win it from more than one account which is not fair for other players.But I don't understand why anyone wants to have alt account because in gambling you can win or lose from both the accounts as two accounts don't increase your chance of winning.If found guilty both accounts will be freezed so better obey the terms.

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It's all in the TOS, if you use more accounts to abuse the "free money" or their promotion, then you should expect that your account will be ban soon. Casinos are not giving free money actually, this is a promotion that is governed by rules, and in order for it not to be abuse, they will protect their interest by banning accounts that are cheating or suspected of cheating.

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Some casinos are giving free money in the form of faucets and they don't want that faucet to be abuse, and some casinos are giving bonuses after their successful events and some casinos are compliant and they ask for KYC they do not want multiple accounts from their database just like in exchange, there's always abuse and cheating when you have multiple accounts in casinos, there is no reason why would you have multiple accounts unless you lose access to your account, you can request to create another account if they allowed it you can proceed.

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I think this isn't a general issues not all casinos ban users with multiple accounts but most times the try to ensure the bonus for new account aren't a abused because most users seems to take advantage of that to create new account to benefit from the bonus and once it vanishes the suspend the account and move on to creating new ones. This should just be a way to ensure their system isn't abused

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 03, 2021, 01:39:27 AM

Try sitting on a poker table where two of the players knew each of their cards. You don't even have to be among them to know this is not gonna end up good for other players.

But I'm not sure how they can cheat with two-three accounts in playing luck games. If the casino however does not allow multiple accounts, why should you try having more accounts? Clearly, you have something in mind that they don't like which you also like. Cheesy

Collusion in poker happens, and some poker sites fight against it, and some look like they are not interested in dealing with that, at least in crypto poker casinos! Fiat poker casinos are another story!

Miltiacounting is not allowed because people can/will abuse all promotions and free money! I think we have all seen how people try to spam the chat for those free drops, how claiming free money can be raised to another level... and in the worst case can you imagine some whale wagering a few bitcoins on one account and then he move money to other account and he does the same, he literary can take all prizes from any promotion! Both types can create multi accounts just to be their own referrals...

So why do most (if not all) casinos ban users’ accounts if have more than one? Simply it's not fair to the others...

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I don't think there's a valid reason to have multiple accounts on a gambling website, unless there's a malicious reason behind it. If it's stated on their TOS, there's no use trying to make another account, since it could lead to a possible account suspension. Another thought would be due to some gambling websites having a faucet integrated, having multiple accounts cashing out on the faucet is a no-go.

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If there's bonus and giveaways it will be abused by those with multiple accounts, casinos want fairness on the distribution of bonus and giveaways the casinos operators wants to show visitors and users the right that, they cannot do that if they have a user who uses multiple accounts simultaneously using different browsers.
There are gambling casinos that allow multiple accounts so it's better to read the rules and TOS first before joining a gambling casino and always check if they change the rule about multiple accounts.

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The one where you can cheat the most with more than one account is in poker tournaments,you are playing with two pair of cards let's say if you have to accounts but you can have three or more making your chances to win rather big.From this perspective I can understand why gambling casinos are so harsh towards people who use multi accounts,that is the way it should be one account only for a casino but there have been a lot of cases where people have bypassed these restrictions by using VPN-s and cheating and this is why also VPN-s are being banned from reputable casinos.

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 03, 2021, 01:39:27 AM

Try sitting on a poker table where two of the players knew each of their cards. You don't even have to be among them to know this is not gonna end up good for other players.

But I'm not sure how they can cheat with two-three accounts in playing luck games. If the casino however does not allow multiple accounts, why should you try having more accounts? Clearly, you have something in mind that they don't like which you also like. Cheesy

This didn't really come on my mind, yes that's true if the game is player vs player, the one with the most card wins however I think it's still fair in my perspective since every account he has need to place a bet and if the other player wins he will lose 2 bets so he will only have a higher chance of winning but x2 in losing I'm not sure if you get my point but it's like playing blackjack and you have 2 spots vs 1 banker.

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In the first place why would you have a second account in the first place? To enjoy unlimited promotion and participate on multiple contest? I think that could be some of the reason why they strict users to only have one account though some gambling sites allow having more than account and you can actually link them together, like the other accounts is like a bank or storage.

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Normally it's not polite for a gambler to have more than one accounts cause it might affect there analysis of the number of gamblers that is betting in there site making the system looks shaking with so many fake account creation. Cheating can occur when there are so many accounts owned by a single person with so many dormant accounts all over there system.

If you have a single account, the same money you will split to gamble on other of your accounts is the same you will use on the single account, so why the unnecessary accounts.

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When there are bonuses and promos done by a casino, it's been seen that they can be abused and that's why they have to act on it through having that rule of having one account only.
In scam accusations of those users that they've not been paid, I've seen devs telling them that they've abused the casino and that's why they're not eligible for it.

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Try sitting on a poker table where two of the players knew each of their cards. You don't even have to be among them to know this is not gonna end up good for other players.

But I'm not sure how they can cheat with two-three accounts in playing luck games. If the casino however does not allow multiple accounts, why should you try having more accounts? Clearly, you have something in mind that they don't like which you also like. Cheesy

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There's a lot of reason, maybe I don't know all but here's most of the reason. First is to avoid abuse in their promotion some promotions are really good and some people wanted to abuse it by making a lot of accounts that's why the account need to be ban, the second thing in my mind is because of the money laundering having multiple accounts is prohibited in order to track down where the money came and track down the transactions.

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Why casinos don't allow multiple accounts:
Reason 1:Exploiting casino bonuses.Already mentioned by most forum members.
Reason2:Many casinos have affiliate programs,where the affiliates get paid a commission,if a user signs up via their affiliate link and deposits money.Sometimes the commission can be bigger than the initial deposit.
Casino affiliate programs are well known for being quite generous and offering big commissions.
Some of those affiliate programs might get abused by the affiliates creating multiple accounts.That's why the casinos don't allow multiple accounts created by one user.

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It's common knowledge among gambling circles, sometimes certain gambling sites don't care about it, as long as they don't violate the rules of the gambling sites that have been set.

There are several possibilities of people registering multiple accounts and playing on gambling sites.
• to seek wins and profits with account B if account A is unsuccessful.
• they will try to bet different ways and different accounts, to get rid of boredom and different perceptions.

It can not be denied that someone who is addicted to gambling there are thousands of ways they want to do the bottom line: to win, it has happened a long time ago it's not something that can be prevented anymore in the world of gambling, if you forbid them, they will automatically look for other gambling sites that are better for them.

most gambling sites don't want to lose customers on the grounds that they registered an account or two, addicts are sensitive, if they have lost a lot.

For that most gambling sites often ignore it, but keep it under control, as long as they don't blame the rules, the site doesn't care about it.

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It has nothing to do with a user that deposits and withdraw even if have 100 accounts. In addition if he is a regular user, they should see activity on the other accounts as well. It could be a lost account and many more possibilities. Some users even say they don’t have connection with these accounts which extreme weird to me. - WTF the value of these accounts to cause the casino ban it? Did they earn million of dollars through spamming the bonuses ? -

That's because some users tend to use VPN while visiting the site and some sites probably have a tool where they'll auto flag users that have certain connections or link with another user. Spamming bonuses won't earn them millions but it's one way to make profits and reduce the house edge while playing. On top of that there are people willing to scrape every bonus they can find as long as they could profit from it. I know the rewards on most bonuses aren't that big but when you look at the perspective of the casinos it could cost them thousands of their profits.

In a casino that doesn't have any promotions like bustadice for example you're free to create several accounts and do anything you want.

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Online casinos are just trying to get rid of people with multiple accounts that abuse their platform as well as the promos and bonuses that they offer. They just want fairness and equality for their players. I also don't see any sense of having multiple accounts but a purpose to abuse the site. One casino account is enough if our purpose is just to play and gamble.

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I personally see no reason why you should have multiple accounts with one casino, it is okay to have with multiple accounts with different casinos, provided you can keep up properly, but not multiple accounts with one casino. Some users know that when you open up a new account with some casino's, they allocate and give user's some sign up bonuses. Some users see it as a means to make or milk the casino's of some money, so they go ahead to open multiple accounts, so as to get multiple bonuses. This is wrong as it increases the expenses of these casino's and a detriment to their business.

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Quote from: vinca BK. on October 02, 2021, 03:23:05 PM

As title says,

Since casinos are not giving any kind of free money and they have a house edge that guarantee the win for them in a long run no matter where do you bet or from which account, i.e. They aren’t either losers or winners. It’s usually used to prevent spamming by bots. The idea is that why would a bot use dual account while they can change seeds and do everything from one account?!

I’M afraid there is a something we don’t know about this Grin

If you ever visit scam accusations section, you should have seen atleast one problem from this kind from a very trusted known casinos which looks weird for me.

Do you really need to ask this when the TOS/TOC already tells you about this?

Gambling site are preventing multiple accounts because mostly this is being used as advantage in their events ,freebies or some games that may be abused in some ways.

and also let me ask you this "What is the need for Another account"? if you already has one?

actually gambling site allows us to have another account if we will contact them asking permission first , if chance that you missed the account and cannot access again.

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If the casino allows their member to have more than one account to play gambling, maybe people will create another account and use it to gamble.
But many gamblers will not do that since it is difficult to manage the other account.
If the casino has affiliate programs that can attract people to create another account under their affiliate, no matter how much they wager, that member will get some they can use for gamble.
So it is no surprise if the casino finally blocks the account and not releases their money who have more than one account because they abuse the rules.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on October 02, 2021, 07:13:53 PM

One might wonder why anyone would ever need to open more than one account at an online casino? After all, it's not very practical for a single user, right?
In my opinion, creating more than one account at an online casino is usually used to take advantage of promotions and bonuses, so it is understandable why casinos don't allow it.

While I agree to what you have said, but there still a brain to detect why user may have multiple accounts. So for example I’d ban those who have connected accounts and withdraw bonuses from tips / bonuses / faucets /... Etc (which are usually exterme small amounts) , but shouldn’t ban the user that have deposited thousands of dollars and wagared just because he is connected with XXXX and XXXX and XXXX. So the idea is W.T.F. they have earned or spammed with these accounts? In addition I don’t know what are the promotions that gives free money now.

Anyway, my point was : If TOS says no multi account. Why does it say so?
- So it says that to prevent spammers from abusing the bonuses and free money systems.

It has nothing to do with a user that deposits and withdraw even if have 100 accounts. In addition if he is a regular user, they should see activity on the other accounts as well. It could be a lost account and many more possibilities. Some users even say they don’t have connection with these accounts which extreme weird to me. - WTF the value of these accounts to cause the casino ban it? Did they earn million of dollars through spamming the bonuses ? -

If casinos say multiple accounts aren't allowed, gamblers have to agree with their terms or quit. It's like when you go to someone else's house and they say something is forbidden to be done there and you think that rule is ridiculous, because you would do that at home without any problems, but you still have to follow the rule, because you aren't at your place.
Furthermore, casinos really give free money sometimes. Just look at Stake promotions. Have you heard of safe bets at some sports' matches? The house indicates an athlete as probable winning, if he loses the fight, you receive your money back. Just imagine people with dozens of accounts joining such promotions simultaneously (including people who might deposit thousands of dollars in their accounts).

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As far as I can remember, casino's restrict users to just have one account because

1. they've abused those freebies from casinos before (bonus harvesting)
2. they can collude with each other

So online casino's are very strict, just double edge though, IMHO. If those two accounts are losing big money, it's ok for the casino. But the again, if just one wins big, you are going to be flag with suspicious activity and then probably lock both accounts for good without you withdrawing your money.

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The casinos have licenses that acquire some country... they also need to be aware of the money laundering issue and with that they put in the TOS that in any suspicious activity the casino will have to ask the customer to make the KYC, so it makes more sense that people only have one account, and I didn't talk about bonus abuse because others have already talked about it. I particularly don't see why someone needs to have 2 accounts, one account is enough

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It's probably an issue of something else then? It's either a miscommunication or the IP of the banned person was traced somewhere gambling or the site wasn't allowed to actually provide it's services, hence the ban. I'd think it's rather easy to fix issues of misplaced accusations with regards to multi-accounting, not to mention that most other casinos provide KYC no? I don't think it's much of an issue for rich people since they'd perform KYC since otherwise, they'd be quite limited. Multi accounts are simply there to avoid users taking advantage of the system that's pretty much it.

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One might wonder why anyone would ever need to open more than one account at an online casino? After all, it's not very practical for a single user, right?
In my opinion, creating more than one account at an online casino is usually used to take advantage of promotions and bonuses, so it is understandable why casinos don't allow it.

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Having more account is really suspicious, and this is not allowed on may gambling site for their own protection against abuse especially the referral program. If you really want to gamble with more accounts do it on different gambling sites, don't put everything in one site since its not that safe. Don't try doing this or regret later on if you get caught. Scam allegations are normal if you are was blocked, they must be a good reason for that so better to ask the support first or read their ToS.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on October 02, 2021, 03:55:10 PM

Well, I think not all of them ^{[I saw casinos that allow multiple accounts]}--in this case, you must open to them is if you are allowed to create another account. Perhaps the possible reason is prone to abuse, running two accounts in one casino is everywhere restricted and that is always on their TOS. However, in scam accusation has a different story, but usually, cases are users did not read the TOS and without knowing them they already prohibit the law which is very risky, the most punishments is blocking your account. If you deactivated one and then create another one, there is no problem but I think always read the TOS will not put you in danger and it is best if you have one account.

Having more than one account is really prone to abuse.
This is the major reason why most casinos are not allowing such practice.
For those scam allegations, most of them haven't read the ToS of the site before creating their other accounts.
So it is not the fault of the site, but the player himself.
And if you are a gambler, what do you think is your main reason of creating another account?
Though some just want to separate their activities but a lot are after for some referral bonus or other things that the site deemed as abuse.

This topic should be moved to gambling discussion board - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0.

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Well, I think not all of them ^{[I saw casinos that allow multiple accounts]}--in this case, you must open to them is if you are allowed to create another account. Perhaps the possible reason is prone to abuse, running two accounts in one casino is everywhere restricted and that is always on their TOS. However, in scam accusation has a different story, but usually, cases are users did not read the TOS and without knowing them they already prohibit the law which is very risky, the most punishments is blocking your account. If you deactivated one and then create another one, there is no problem but I think always read the TOS will not put you in danger and it is best if you have one account.

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