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First of all this is an internet forum, nobody here has the authority to "inspect" one's behaviour past and present and judge if they have "changed", please wake up, you are not in a position to pass judgment on people's character as an authority, as if you are high above and  others are low below, this is a place we socialize, experiment and learn, please forget about "he hasn't changed, not showing any change to deserve ...... something.

What you all are doing, you think you have the rights and power to qualify or disqualify others from living, this is embarrassing.

I'm just a human being with my rights to express my opinions, share my ideas and ideals, socialize, observe, learn and discuss.
I consider this forum as an experiment in my life, none of you provide my safety,  health and food, I don't need your approval or disapproval, I'm a social profiler  trying to understand people and compare my self with different people.
So please stop acting as high and mighty, wake up.

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We have 2 scenarios,
1- I trust you, you trust me and we are friends, if you see me keep doing something wrong, would you abandon me and break up our friendship or keep being my friend no matter what?

2- we trust each other and have a professional relationship, I keep doing things wrong, you tell me over and over but I don't listen, will you keep trusting me or end our relationship?

More specifically I want to know where do you draw a red line, if you tell JG for example that you don't agree with what he is doing and consider his actions unjustified (would he care about your opinion?) If not then why do you keep him around? Because he has done so much good to wash his wrong doings clean and on top of that he is a friend?

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I'm not worried about my "income from a signature campaign" God has always provided for me from unimaginable places/ sources. I just can't stand injustice, bullying, tyranny and mockery, I don't like it when people think I'm an idiot, so as long as I'm allowed to post here, I will stay the same even so with improving my moral standards.

Please stop trying to justify/ rationalize each other's motives/ actions. It's a simple yes or no, whether doing X is wrong or right, no body needs to vouch for me, btw I'm not addressing anyone in particular. These are general questions, of course you "don't have" to answer.

Guys, gals, believe me when I tell you that I'm a changed man, I had 5 years to think about my wrong doings of the past, which finally I realized what I was doing wrong.

Allow me to tell a short story about this revelation,

"After I was shunned casted out, excommunicated from this community, I went to my fortress of solitude on top of a mountain where I spent 5 years alone self reflecting and thinking about my shameful past, it was there and then I realized my mistake, I realized for almost 15 years I was doing it wrong, I discovered if I use my left hand every 2, 3 times apart, I can experience a whole new world of pleasure, IKR?"  Lol worthy?

So as you now see I have really changed, this is called learning from past mistakes. 🤣

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If you keep talking about "change" as if I'm the guilty one, I will share more discoveries with profanity. I really missed doing this, fighting for my right and for justice is my destiny.😉

So these DT1 members included her on their trust list? Hope this data is up to date.
jeremypwr
stompix
examplens
nutildah
yahoo62278
LFC_Bitcoin
TwitchySeal
Igebotz
KTChampions
icopress
logfiles
tvplus006
witcher_sense
The Cryptovator
1miau
FatFork
decodx

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This brings us to this point, whether these members agree with all JG's sent negative feedback or they disagree with some and consider many as good.
Ok, since "scam busting?" "cheater/alt busting" is the soft spot for many and they really love such members, we say alright, lets appreciate what she has done for the community by including her in our trust list.

But what if she misuses this status and make us look bad?  Well we could express our disagreement about such cases, this way it won't be on us anymore.

Fine, let her be there, but here is a case about someone's reputation, you care about other people's reputation, right?

I have seen some of you replying on other threads where another DT member was involved, but I'm not DT, is that why none of you cared to comment, because there is no danger of retaliation from my side?

Though you could simply comment your opinions so everyone can know your judgments, then we see how your beloved JG will react.

Whether you reply here or not, in both cases it's your reputations on the line, I just want to know some of your opinions.😉

For the lack of any other analogy which could fit best here, I will have no choice other than using this analogy to deliver my point.

So in your opinion, if someone does something bad, goes to prison do his time and is then released free after lets say 5 years, now he is walking in a park talking with his friends, should a "police officer" seeing this person puts handcuffs on him and take him back to prison for the same "crime" he already did time for?

Interesting mindset, and this is why a decentralized trust system turns into a joke. Everyone will follow their own sets of rules.

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Well, this is the same with bitcoin and all  the garbage forks, theymos' version/vision of trust system could be considered the original idea/bitcoin, the rest will change the rules and do whatever they want.

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Let me simulate a conversation with an imaginary random member:

- well I think it depends digiran, if that criminal shows signs of violent behaviour and shows no signs of "change" means they haven't learned their lesson, so yes any police officer should arrest him on sight. digiran nobody trusts you here, go away.

- digaran : Alright, I think I ended up in  one of the UK's court houses. 😅 I hope you never read my post about UK's judges.

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Edit: I have already said enough, I said what was needed, read this post and tell the answers to yourself. I already know what they are gonna be. I just wanted others to see you for what you are "most trustworthy members of bitcointalk"

And lastly:



"Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning)."

Holy Qura'n, 7:179.


"Whomever Allah guides is rightly guided, and whomever He leads astray—you will never for find them any guardians besides Him. On the Day of Resurrection, We shall muster them [scrambling] on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf. Their refuge shall be hell. Whenever it subsides, We shall intensify the blaze for them"


17:97.

I don't trust you.


I still don't trust you.


But the thing is, I don't think he (and other DTs who left you a neutral/negative tags) are wrong. At least not in your case. That doesn't make him my "friend".


I don't believe you're an idiot. In fact, I think you're quite intelligent, above average even. And, unless you are breaking the forum rules, you should be allowed to post wherever you want.
But I still don't trust you.


I'm not trying to justify or rationalize my actions. You invited me to respond here.

Why would anyone explain their trust list to you?
When we are talking about the JG case, you are not the first to ask that question, so most of the users on this list have already left their direct or indirect explanations. If you are really curious, try to research.

If I may ask, suchmoon is also on my trust list. I saw some of his red tags on your trust page. Can you direct me to the link to the discussion you opened because of that negative feedback?
I would have to look at such a discussion in addition to this one in order to make a proper judgment.


We have yet to see changes in you, your praise of yourself does not mean much. However, from this discussion, we can see your habits from the past, which are not very promising.

Good for you.

No one knows but people change when time pass. Holding into the past is not natural.

I think you got those people who he trust but I don't think there will be much change. JollyGood only add people who added him. He is one of a prime example of backscratchers. I will bring you a link shortly.

Ah I see! The OP has been inactive for almost five years and only recently got a new negative. I missed that fact.
Well, I wasn't around back then, and I do not know what the "climate" was like at that time, so I will leave this case for you seniors to discuss. I do not have an opinion on the OP either, and I do not recall ever interacting with them, so I cannot say whether he has changed or not.

Because in some boards like Bitcoin Discussion, Bitcoin Technical Support etc. User trust ratings for any member posting there are hidden so the same applies to that red banner as viewed by guest users

It is not clear to me if this is addressed to me, and although I would say no, and that it is more directed to those who have tagged you, I want to clarify that I do not know you very well from the forum, because I think we do not coincide much for the same boards, and as I said before I think that our manager will have had his good reasons to hire you. I have simply tried to make an analysis of the situation from an impartial point of view.


Thank you for the explanation. The only thing that is not clear to me is why, as I said before, the banner appears in some threads and not in others.

My motive is probably... to spend some time on my free time here and learn more about bitcoin and crypto,  but who knows? Maybe I cannot be trusted either.
Don't forget that life is about having fun and be happy, not the opposite. I feel that you almost have forget about that, it's seems that it is alot of negativity around you.  




But it seems that almost 99% of the forum trust you, so you must doing something right here.  
I agree it's a bit unnecessary to use feedback this much, but I guess it also pointless to open threads about it and complain, a bit confusing everything, but sometimes funny to read, hehe.

Considering the number of accounts registered in the forum, I would probably increase the number to +99.99% because the volume is too great. Trusting someone from the forum is not easy, trust has to be earned.

For example, this BabyBandit account was created last month, already posting in Reputation and Lending boards. Clearly it is not his first account here and we have no idea (apart from probably one day wanting to join a signature campaign) what his motive is therefore when adding these types of accounts to the list, the percentage of distrust increases.

I don't trust 99% of the forum, but it's pointless to share that with everyone.

You can check his trust list where there are 57 users trust him

AFAIK being on DT1 need at least 10 users trust you and few other requirements, but even he's not on DT1, he's still on DT2 because there are many DT1 trust him.

Of course users who trust him are responsible for his actions because he left many more accurate feedback than the controversial or somewhat unnecessary one.

To answer your question. That red banner you see is from the old trust system. When Theymos introduced the trust flag system on June 12, 2019. He removed the concept of trust scores, but he didn't want to make the past trust feedback completely useless. So if a member received more negative feedback from DT members than positive. The red banner will appear for guest/newbie users. This only applies to feedback that was sent before the trust flags were introduced.

In case you don't understand, it's because JollyGood deliberately wanted to offend the OP, wanted some more attention.

DaveF left a neutral, I don't know if that was really necessary but I don't think DaveF had any other motive. But the motive of JollyGood is very clear.
A person can have a past, for that they may not be proud but that does not mean they can not change. I have no opinion for OP but after 5 years why it's necessary to leave another negative feedback? Offend a member.

Read the response for Stalker22, you may understand the reason now.

The reason for all these topics are summarized on my last post.
Additionally, I just realized the inspiration for all these unnecessary conducts by JollyGood could be [1.] His obsession to see himself as a the top feedback sender [2.] His obsession to make his distrust list a long as possible.

Just look at the number of people he distrust and number of feedback he left so far.

That's the mark of fame and a sign of respect from administration, this way everyone would immediately sign in to check my profile trust page, then they will have a laugh and understand what a joke a semi-decentralized trust system is.
For your information, I was invited to join this campaign. I would never embarrass myself by asking to join.

Anyone by reading colored pixels on the screen saying someone is a scammer and they believe it, well I wanted to say sheeple, but my own family are like that, they believe whatever, CNN, BBC, News networks, social medias say.
Then I have to spend half an hour convincing them otherwise.

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I'm actually happy, because this happened after I joined a campaign, this means after 5 years their butts still hurt, also it shows what a lowlifes  they are.
But why? Just to show how miserable you are? , so burn till the day you die if you can't stand me.

This might be a bit off-topic but I think not too much because it is related to the OP's trust profile. I don't quite understand why there is a warning flag on this thread for unregistered forum visitors (and I guess newbies too):




But if I go to his trust profile, no flag appears, and even less an active one.




I have also seen that in other threads initiated by him the warning appears on some of them and not on others. For example, on this mining altcoins thread it does appear:

What is FPGA miner?

But in Development & Technical Discussion it does not appear, as for example on this one:

Is it possible to find out which X coordinate is -N ?


I think so too.


I think he has proven that he is a very good campaign manager so he must have had good reasons to hire digaran. As for the advertisers I guess if I were one of them I would be worried that the threads opened by one of the forum members I pay would appear with a big warning sign, as at least some of digaran's threads do. After all, red tags are not shown to unregistered visitors to the forum but these types of flag warnings are very conspicuous.

You are currently on DT 2

I think he is given such members spots on a case by case basis, otherwise they would have flooded those high paying campaigns like they did with 1xbit  

As for digaran I don't know what to make of the statements he made back then. Whether he actually meant it or it was a case of sarcasm gone bad.

Well digaran didn't get a neutral from JG, he got a big fat red one right on the lips.

What puzzles me is why he's so concerned about JG's negative since he's got ones from a few years ago by members who (I think) are still on DT, like suchmoon, actmyname, and marlboroza.  The forum's trust system went off my radar completely shortly after Theymos made the DT list a rotating one, so I don't know what's what.  I don't even know if I'm on DT anymore and frankly don't care anymore.

Royse777 probably has a lot of sympathy toward red-trusted members since he's had his own reputational issues in the past year.  I don't know if the projects he's managing campaigns for care if shady members advertise for them or not, but said members better hope Royse777 keeps managing campaigns and remains sympathetic.  But I'll tell ya, once you open that door to accepting red-trusted members, they're all going to be knocking on your door looking for a spot. 

Of all the negatives on your profile, it is only JG that bothers you?


So, you also lied about this?

And there I was thinking digaran was a changed man with those references he made regarding forgiveness  

Personally (just to mention forgiveness in the context of the OP), I think it should be absolute and not be withheld however maybe his forgiveness is in limited supply. It could be he singled me out for special forgiveness.

I just checked https://loyce.club/trust/2023-09-23_Sat_05.07h/131361.html he still distrusts me, so that spirit of forgiveness is just a swig out of the bottle not an emptying down the drain of the whole bottle.

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Thank you for forgiving me for the negative tag I placed on your account. Since you are in the forgiving mood, I hope you have forgiven ALL the other members that left you both negative and neutral trust and wonder if you will create threads in the Reputation board about them too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=806776

Side by side with the "boo hoo - I got a neutral trust feedback" board.

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