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That's what I was thinking about when he wanted to release this topic that they did. I just don't know if I'm thinking about this topic correctly, Op. Maybe what he wants to release is that the owners of the mixers can move into the gambling business here in the crypto industry.

But I'm not sure if this is what he meant to convey in this section. Then another thing is that gambling in the mixer is not the same; the difference between them is, to be honest, very large. So, it should not be compared to gambling, in my opinion.

But, how did you know that they are not gamblers? It's possible that a user isn't picky, and there is an opening in the mixer campaign, so they joined it. Or the pay rate for it, and other conditions are much better, so they switch on it. If you are on a gambling campaign, like it or not, you will be making some gambling posts. It was only a few posts anyway, and most of the posts are still going to be spread in many areas of the forum.

Mixers and casinos are different services. So even if there is a new casino that will spawn, right after the banning date, I am sure it has no relation to the mixer. And even if let say a mixing service will create a casino with a mixing feature, they won't still be allowed here.

There's no space to be filled in the first place. The usual advertisement of gambling-related projects and services here will just be on usual. The same with other projects and services at different boards. I don't know why we should put a connection between the mixer case and casino.

Maybe let's just allow the campaign manager to address this. In the first place, they are the one who knows who will be fit on the campaign they managed. I don't see casino owners will take advantage of the case with mixers here. They have their own competition directly at the gambling industry.

Aside from that, the service that gambling companies should improved is about their platform itself, not the way they are promoting their brand here.

I don't know what ops stands to gain from this discussion a and just like I made my point clear in the first comment,  there is no basis for both casino and mixer to get any form of comparison and for sure we have to look out for some of the possibilities that can make a gambling site misunderstood for being a tool for money mixing but also we should know that,  for as long as casinos have the wagering requirements for each deposits,  same goes with the risk that those that may seek to take casino as a mixing tool.

This is why most of them don't take casinos for money laundering because there is a high possibility of losing some or all the deposits and so long as it is included in the terms of service,  the gambler may not have any case against them and at some point be seen as a noon mixing avenue.

I think the forum was already in the race in that for years but I don't think a casino would pay like what the mixers did to their participants. They already established their market and that's already fine to the masses and just like other businesses they want some discounts if they wanted too especially in advertising.

You will notice something else that makes this board much different from any other board on this forum. But I'll let you figure that out for yourself. 

Let me know if you need any clues.

that's a good marketing strategy for the mixer.

but wouldn't the authorities target your casino instead? they will look into this cheap casino that possibly has no license and just a bunch of games either roulette and dice and then the ad spaces are all mixers banners. this would put the casino and the owner into trouble as authorities would be going after you, identifying you, and going to the company server.

here's what mixers can do. they could just buy adspace from known crypto new sites if possible. and the race  is creating blogs and youtube videos where we could be advertising mixers hardcoded into the videos.

There's no race here, and I can't see the point in the headline "new strategies for casinos". As always, campaign managers are choosing participants, casinos have nothing to do with that. Now they will have a wider choice of participants, and that's it... I don't see some race here among casinos, maybe there will be a race between us who wish to be a part of some campaign, but that's nothing new. There have always been more members who want to earn than spots in the signature campaigns advertised here on the forum.

Campaign owners need quality posters to get the attention of other users (public), but will it be good for their business if quality posters are not relevant? of course not right? They pay to at least be seen, therefore they're more attracted to the posters that are often on gambling boards.

Then, the payout in the gambling campaign isn't as big as the mixer campaign, which is probably one of the considerations for those quality posters. I agree that the payout in gambling campaigns are increased so that they attract the interest of quality posters.

I don’t know how common decentralized casinos are that do not require a KYC, maybe the scheme “introduced cryptocurrency into a crypto casino, played hoping that the amount would not change much - withdrew using other addresses at the expense of the casino.” But I am sure that ordinary crypto casinos with KYC will easily give out all the information about you to the federal services and police.
Therefore, in general, I consider this whole scheme of laundering crypto finance through casinos to be a fiction. Mixers still exist, just not on BTT.

Mixers website will still exist and just their ANN thread here will be removed which means their service existence is still there for their customer that need to mix their coin. Casino business is still very popular even before. Mixer just get the popularity recently due to the take down of Chipmixer since they want to share for the customers of CM but casino business is still the same strong as you can see on the number of active campaigns here that run long term.

I think this topic is more on service discussion thread since we are talking about campaign here and not casino itself.

I glanced at the thread title like a casino strategy for a game, eh know it's different from my thoughts. LOL

Why not discuss in this thread? I think it's more relevant there than the gambling discussion board. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0

Well as many said above many high quality posters avoid gambling posts, whereas in the gambling campaign rules there should be at least a gambling board even though there is no specific rule for gambling, but indirectly we know in the gambling campaign is the majority who like to gamble.

Also you should really be wary that not all gambling wearing fellas are gamblers and this is why it isnt really that just right to be conclusive that those mixer signature participants doesnt really know gambling. The only thing that i do agree is that both are different industries, now that mixers are banned and also into its signature or marketing which it isnt really just that connected that
casino or gambling business would really be trying out raise or open some slots for them? I dont think so that it would happening because it would really be that entirely
depending on the campaign manager. If there would really be some removal then its his choice but i dont see for it to likely happen yet it would be something a hassle thing
plus we know that to those current participants on gambling related signatures arent that bad either.I do feel on trying out to push someone just because they are entitled?

There shouldn't be a need for racing because mixers and casinos are different. Let things run their course.
Maybe there will be something behind this that we can't guess, especially since many forums are outside this forum. Maybe some of the mixers are still operating outside this forum, but we also don't know what the mixers that are still operating will do.
Indeed, this forum may still be the alpha among all other crypto forums because Satoshi started from here. But we also know that there are still other forums that also talk about crypto. This may be the beginning of crypto's increasing popularity.
So it's better to follow the flow and wait for what will happen while enjoying the journey.

Does it mean mixers' operators will close their businesses and open fresh brand new online crypto casinos in replacement? Well, it doesn't make sense at all.

First, because mixers won't cease, rather they will continue existing and operating in the shadows of internet (and it will remain as a profitable business for owners).

Second, if they really wished to start an online casino to launder money, it wouldn't be that efficient, since KYC is still mandatory for this category of business, so they would have to follow all the regulations like every other crypto casino around, what isn't interesting for them.

And third, brand new casinos always have a hard time competing against the consolidated ones which are present on this industry for several years already. And considering how saturated of services this niche is, it would be a very risky investment to start...

Knowledge of gambling is a prerequisite for you to be in a gambling campaign and there are already a lot of quality posters about gambling in the campaigns, the managers have a scoring system for every participant like they do in our campaign here in Stake, other managers are doing the same, we cannot compare a mixing business to gambling industry they are worlds apart, because mixers have a limited platform to promote their business, while casinos have a lot of platforms that cater for their business.


I don't know where you get the idea that casino promotions are not doing well here or do you know something that we don't know like casinos will not be tolerated here, casinos are very much welcome here and the forum Administrator is in support of the Crypto casino industry, Bitcointalk is still the best place to promote all the other platforms are secondary for casinos.

For sure it will happen since campaign managers will always do what's best for their campaign also to the company they are promoting since if they hired quality poster which always hit their target goals then for sure this will give them more result. Unlike if they just hired a pure spammer for sure many people will ignore their post then maybe with that they cannot get a good result for the campaign they've done since the people they hired is not actually engaging on the community but rather just post because they only want to hit their quotas. Also we don't need to worry about casino since as long as they have license that mean they are legal to operate and allowed to do some good business people who would like to gamble on their casino.

Any casino who does why you are predicting will be thoroughly investigated for being a funnel for money laundering. There are more traffics to mixers than online casinos. Casinos have a low to medium budget that is why at some point during a signature campaign, some participants are removed because if budget cuts. Mixers on the other hand have a lot of money to throw around.

Every business will have to consider its financial base as well as its profits before considering how much to spend on advertising. I might be wrong but I think Mixers make more money than casinos. Casinos have to also pay for licenses and hire more staff than mixers. Mixers don't have to be licensed to operate so they don't incur this cost, which could increase their profit margin.

Regarding the strategy to attract the best posters to casino campaigns, I will use the economic principle of supply which states that the higher the supply the lesser the price. These quality posters will be forced to accept low pay when many of them are out of campaign. They will have to choose between staying without campaigns and accepting a low pay rate. The demand for campaign might soon be higher than the supply and many members will gratefully accept a low pay rate. But we expect more casinos, exchanges and other crypto-related services to come to the forum to make campaigns more competitive,

Many campaigns have proposed moving to other platforms to continue business. It will definitely bring traffic to these platforms since some members will move to these alternatives. But we just have to watch to see how this will play out.

All I know Stake.com has the best posters of the week and so are the other casino-based platforms, if you are knowledgeable about sports and casino you will likely get hired than if you're good on mining topics only because participants need to post 5 to 10 times or even more in the gambling section, you will read in every campaign rules that if you're not active in gambling section do not apply on this campaign

They are still doing great here, there is no announcement coming from Theymos that they will not allow casinos only mixers, so they will still prefer Bitcointalk as their main forum to promote their platform, until there are no announcements this is one of the forums worth promoting for casinos.

That is expected now that there are plenty of forum users that soon will have an open space for their siggy. However, as to payment, as long as it's reasonable it will be okay. I'd say I am an active gambler but in terms of quality posters qualification, I'd give that judgement to the campaign manager.

Yeah, let's start the race, I'm expecting that sooner or later there will be new casino campaigns that will pop up and as there's lots of supply (campaigner's) here. Supply and demand are going to be witness again, with this huge forum, I believe there are only few campaigners compared to the number of potential casinos that would like their brand to be popular.

Well there is no doubt that we are actually losing them because many of them aren't comfortable with gambling post and I have witnessed lot of posters going into another forum to build themselves to get ready for the launch of mixers over that forum, it is actually saddened to see that a day will come where the forum will entire ban mixer though it was actually for a betterment of the forum to remain safe.

The competition in quest may or may not be necessary because most of the casino or gambling to be launched might plan for long time campaign hence will not increase their pay rate to attract quality poster, gambling site aren't to be compared as mixers because they are highly competitive in order to remain the top paying campaign in the forum but guess what? There are other campaign that has refused to compete with mixers but yet they are still active and running while mixers in no time will have place here that's why isn't good to compete with upcoming projects because would know their time projections.

It is not a business competition between mixers and casinos, so to suggest closing up the space for mixers because they are leaving the forum makes no points. Whether they are here or not didn't stop any other signature campaign to advertise their business on the service board. Therefore, no relationship, connection or deprivation for any signature campaign with or without mixers.

However, you have made a valid point whether they would survive elsewhere and that is a strong point. This forum is the most active and popular crypto forum because of the use of bitcoin. So if they want to succeed elsewhere, they should introduce btc payment system for the signature campaign and not usdt or other stable coins.

Another point that they need to survive is to put value on payrate for the participants whether in btc or other coins. If they increase payrate, that would encourage good work on their publicity.

That's very correct mate, I think the manager also makes it clear on the application of their gambling signature campaign "if you are not a regular poster in the gambling board please don't apply" so I don't think because mixers are gone they will now be a wave of reshuffling in casino campaign to hire the so called reputable posters who tend to avoid promoting casino campaigns.

The casino campaign have been doing well even with the mixers around and now that's they are gone I don't anything would be different as the people promoting the services now are still the ones promoting even with the mixers around.

If the current gambling casinos here on the forum should ditch their current promoters to hire users who they think are quality posters, what then happen to their rules which state that participants must be active in the gambling board?
Maybe some other casinos don't explicitly include this rule in the signature campaign ann thread, but I know that Stake has this rule making it mandatory that every user wanting to apply to join their campaign must have been an active poster in the gambling board, and like we all know, the so called quality posters aren't active on this board, and neither are they even gamblers.

I personally do not think this is a suggestion that will work, except some managers are going to bend the rules of their campaign.

Explain to me what is the point of raising payments for the remaining campaigns in conditions when the number of signature campaigns is sharply decreasing and this leads to increasing competition among those who want to participate in signature campaigns? If we think from the point of view of how the market works, then the average payment should fall rather than rise.

But regarding the situation that happened, I had other ideas: mixers (and those who stand behind them) are interested in making their business work. It is quite possible that new casinos/bookmakers with the most favorable odds will soon appear, the purpose of which will only be to accept your clean crypto, mix it within themselves and issue it already mixed. To get their market share, these new “gambling” projects will conduct advertising campaigns and they will probably pay a lot - at the level of the outgoing mixers. I don’t know how all this will end - maybe they will be banned over time, since again some state official will declare them a criminal business and the forum will ban their advertising. Or, by analogy with mixers, all casinos (which can also be used for laundering) will be banned. It will be interesting to see all this.

As for Satoshi and his legacy, I would not overestimate his importance - yes, he is a historical figure and this is a historical forum, but those who are interested in communication (especially free communication) can easily communicate on forums where this historical heritage does not exist, since the purpose of communication is the exchange of relevant information rather than “reverence” for history.

I bet it's not just casino platforms that will come knocking in this forum for support and advertisements. Maybe new projects that have something to do with cryptocurrencies will come out. Some of them are in the bounty section but maybe it's time to step up their method of getting more support. The forum is wide and many members are lurking everywhere, not just the altcoins.
Perhaps, they could try to target the gamblers too if they want investors and prioritize gambling posts so that it could be seen here.
Something else will come up, I can feel it. It's not a casino or a sports bookie but another project that will run for years here in our lovely forum. I just don't know it yet. Well, Bitcoin was not known before but here we are. Gambling sites are also not that big before, but here they are. I am optimistic that this forum has always been the best platform to be advertised widely especially if it's about cryptocurrencies.

Casino campaign participants are required to post a specific number in the gambling section to qualify for payment and you must have a good knowledge of gambling and sports betting because you are promoting a gambling platform and you are targetting casino players, and many of the posters here are players of casinos or they have an account on casinos so they know the in and out of casinos.
As long as the forum allows the promotion of casinos here I don't think there is a need to transfer to another forum, and casinos are a big industry that is compliant to the government compared to mixers.

A psychological scientific fact by who and from whom exactly?  As far as I know, there's a huge difference between employing the right person for the wrong job  and employing the wrong person for the right job and also employing the right person for the right job.
Giving the job of a gambling advertising service to a non-gambler, specially someone that is disinterested in gambling activities the way they will engage and discuss in gambling discussions such as sports and other casino games the in-depth analysis in the conversation can't be compared to someone that has a great interest in gambling. However, I leave that to campaign managers to decide for themselves.

I don't understand. How is this relevant to the gambling board, and where is the correlation between mixers and casinos? I don't see a space to "fill" like you mentioned; if you're talking about signature campaigns, then that's a different story. The forum was never limited to mixer promotion; if there are not available campaigns now, I'm sure that a new service will eventually come up to enroll said users. Even if some services migrate to other forums, they'll soon realize that the competitive forums receive nowhere near the traffic we're receiving, which is the main reason why some services that are being advertised are paying peanuts compared to their budget on Bitcointalk.

There is no need to race. There is no need to compete who has biggest payment, or which campaign has best posters. We are here on the forum not to post for reward after all. After mixers leave this forum, the niche will not remain empty. Those who were in mixers signature campaigns will find other service to promote, and definitely they wont leave forum and continue posting.

Casinos feel themselves here very well. We still have more casinos presented here, than the amount of casinos who run signature campaign promotion. Even without promotion, they continue to get attraction of gamblers. And it is not that casinos should hire active members, but current signature participants should improve posting quality, and managers should become more strict.

I think it is not necessary because casinos still operate in their own way. The loss of a part of an already existing field can cause debate, but it has also been clearly stated about it. The decisions of the forum moderators and we members should respect them. And the collaboration, as the OP mentioned I think it is also an idea but it will be more straightforward that it will not be accepted, and as I expressed before, the casinos that appeared before also do not need additional that service or if they want, they must also be bound by the regulations.

And now by the time mixers are banned from the forum I think they've had enough time to come up with solutions that can continue to work for those who seek them out, and we also No need to think too much about it.

Ops there is nothing to worry about and for that member who is currently enrolled in the mixer signature campaign or even the mixers as companies,  there will always be a way around it and for sure it may have temporary effects on businesses but since individuals can still use mixers as a service I believe the companies will fine there way around how to promote their services and where acceptable,  most times I don't want to mix up discussion about mixer and casino because both a different service within the same cryptocurrency ecosystem and for sure none need to compete with each since both can co-exist,  so if you feel there be any need for casinos to upts their games to meet up with a demand that mixer exists from the forum cause is totally out of proportion for me,  let just focus on the best and most effective ways to discover good services that will enhance our privacy with any security issues and look forward for the best in the coming days and months ahead.

I am sure not only casino hires or make promotions here in the forum,  aside from mixer,  we have exchanges carrying out their promotions here in the forum and even also other cryptocurrency-related projects,  so there is no need for any casino both new and old being under pressure to perform in any particular ways.

I think our mixer problem is clear that it will be banned in January and we also know there is a reason why it is banned, it has even been explained by this forum mod @theymos, of course it must be differentiated from casinos because the best posters between mixers and casinos are definitely different too, mostly Casino posters post only around gambling, never outside of it, unlike mixer campaigns, they are free to post anywhere.

Talking about marketing strategies, of course casinos have their own marketing team so they know what they have to do and don't need you to give them advice, although we have seen recently that new casinos have arrived on this forum to hold campaigns, of course they have their own rules for getting posters. their best in their own way. any competition, any race, depends on the budget and usually casinos with a limited budget prefer to choose the best poster in their own way.gv 

       -   Most people here on the forum already know that mixer campaigns only run until December 31st and that January 1st, 2024, will be banned in the forum platform here. And it is also possible that the owners of the mixer campaigns will shift to the casino business here in the crypto space. But this is just my assessment; I'm not sure yet; it may or may not happen.

I did read something in the campaign held by @julerz12 that I'm not sure if the coinomize campaign owner intends to continue their project on another platform, and I think I read it in their bounty section on the altcointalk forum that they want to continue.

No. If gambling sites come to this forum, it is just as usual as it was before. Casinos or other gambling sites are not the same or similar to mixers, they are also still gambling sites. If the sites are not gambling site and see this forum signature campaign to be profitable for them, that is different and that is when what your said is valid.

There will be no void to fill unless the money launderers decide to use KYCed casino for their laundering service just because mixers are banned from the forum and I don't see the relation as well between casino and mixer. But about the competition for the spot, it will be right on that may be a good thing which doesn't mean new casinos will emerge just to recruit the quality posters of bitcointalk.

Why it sounds like people who did that are wrong?

Yeah they can start become a gambler, they can start to learn about gambling and it's completely fine. You're agree to promote the project, so you should try to learn about the project you're promoting. Of course the casino or manager can ask them to reduce nor delete the minimum requirement in gambling boards, but that's their choice right?

The last sentence, you're definitely correct.

I was thinking I'm gonna see any strategy that will enable me fill my pocket this festive season but ended up seeing the counsel of a prophet 

We wait for January to see the shape of things in the forum following the exit of mixers. I don't expect launching of many new casinos because the industry already have good ones and the competition is mainly based on quality delivery.

They'll learn to post here and I'm sure they'll quickly adjust because most of them are really good at posting so no problem there. Casino campaigns will be something that we have to look out for or maybe even have the existing campaigns beef up their funds to accommodate other users or do what Bitvest does, having tiers so they can recruit more at a lower pay. Hopefully we get to see more casinos doing signature campaigns but that's not for me to decide to happen, if they don't see doing a campaign helping them then so be it.

I don't think with mixer case and casino is connected.

It's a different business and sector, I don't think we have a new casino just because the mixer closed. I also agree with @Apocollapse, some of people who are using signature from mixer are avoiding (gambling signature) due is bad habit.

I also don't think, manager are gonna to accept as well non-gambling poster user for gambling sector.

Many of those top quality posters who joined mixer campaign aren't gamblers, so the drawback they might not post in gambling board.

I'm not sure if we will see a new casinos campaign very soon after the mixer ban begin, but the current casinos can volunteer hiring them, just like some top users are wearing Duelbits signature.

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