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Quote from: Rishblitz on March 11, 2015, 08:03:07 PM

Quote from: Buck Naked on March 10, 2015, 08:05:24 PM

And it's not an Onion headline.

It would be nice seeing Greece out of Euro zone, EU and Schengen, but it wouldn't be fair to let the people in the hands of despots like last time, hope they can get to an agreement.

It would be nice for the E.U to disappear and for European nations to be sovereign and not controlled by the elite.

No, it would be not!

Take the Greek example, a little less sovereignty would be great for them.

A government by an elite is way better than an incompetent despot.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on March 11, 2015, 07:13:25 AM

Quote from: Snail2 on March 11, 2015, 07:04:38 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on March 11, 2015, 06:41:27 AM

It's simple and pure rhetoric. People from Greece can already travel free inside Europe.
If Greece doesn't fix it problems, some of the people will go from there anywhere they can get a better living. And that will happen with or without more money from EU.

And the jihadis.. they can be recruited same easily all across Europe, I don't think that Greece can have really more than other countries. And they have to be trained somewhere, and I doubt that can happen in Greece.

Probably he referred immigrants outside of the EU and "authentic" jihadists from Syria and Iraq.

If they don't respect the EU borders protocol, then they will indeed have a big chance to get the well deserved (and wanted?) kick out from EU.

less dangerous than Americans wanting to impose gmos and fracking on Europe trough force and intimidation. they wouldn't want to be the only one in the deep shit, how to maintain the relative value of their papers? haaha. fuck them go Deutschland... remember that the usa changed once the took the best of the best of the 3 reich, and nurture them, feeded them, and let them expand. it's like Deutschland was a selectors, and the worst of the worst took control of the usa internally. it was so easy... pikers. and the trap worked. then those guys educated many (they had nothing against the jews, it was a pretext) and now we see their fruits... beautiful if you like horrors..

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Quote from: V for Varoufakis on March 12, 2015, 12:10:36 PM

LOL! I don't believe that EU has the guts to kick out Greece. They are chickens and they are afraid..!

Giving up on a land-grab when the Reich want to expand even further? You can't think that seriously.

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EU looks like a sissy now! They shit their pants! lol!

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Quote from: V for Varoufakis on March 13, 2015, 05:19:49 AM

It is not threat. It is self defence.

They just don't have the balls or individuality to leave the EU and are trying everything they can to appease their masters, it's really amazing how some people actively want to be treated like shit for the rest of their lives because they're too afraid of an uncertain future. I hope the Greek people grow some brains and realise these politicians aren't on their side, but these leaders don't elect themselves sadly.

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It is not threat. It is self defence.

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What a stupid thing to say. Roll Eyes

This is Sparta?

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Wow, If Greece did this they could be considered terrorists themselves. What a bunch of assholes. From the culture that brought us democracy (and a million other societal staples) they're going to spread terrorism around the continent.

They should be ashamed at this kind of threat. Greece needs to act like an adult...cut services to right size their income statement and if residents don't like it, they can leave or try to vote for an alternative.

It's not the EU's fault that Greece is going bankrupt.

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Quote from: ChicagoSchooler on March 10, 2015, 07:53:51 PM

Things have at least gone to extreme rhetoric:

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Greek Defense Minister Panos Kammenos warns Europe that if no bailout of its economic crisis is forthcoming, his nation will flood Europe with migrants and jihadists, providing them with papers to travel legally throughout the continent.

Kammenos said: “If Europe leaves us in the crisis, we will flood it with migrants, and it will be even worse for Berlin if in that wave of millions of economic migrants there will be some jihadists of the Islamic State, too.”

“If they strike us, we will strike them,” the official said. “We will give to migrants from everywhere the documents they need to travel in the Schengen area, so that the human wave could go straight to Berlin.” The Schengen area is passport-free.

I don't know, seems like a little bit far-fetched headline doesn't it? You should work in a newspaper or something.

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LOL! I don't believe that EU has the guts to kick out Greece. They are chickens and they are afraid..!

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on March 11, 2015, 06:41:27 AM

It's simple and pure rhetoric. People from Greece can already travel free inside Europe.
If Greece doesn't fix it problems, some of the people will go from there anywhere they can get a better living. And that will happen with or without more money from EU.

And the jihadis.. they can be recruited same easily all across Europe, I don't think that Greece can have really more than other countries. And they have to be trained somewhere, and I doubt that can happen in Greece.

This isn't rhetoric at all. Jihadists could apply for Greek citizenship as refugees, the Greek government could grant them a Greek passport which would unable them to travel freely anywhere in Europe.

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Quote from: Rishblitz on March 11, 2015, 08:03:07 PM

It would be nice for the E.U to disappear and for European nations to be sovereign and not controlled by the elite.

Do not be naive. European countries were controlled by the very same elite since ages, with the EU they are just joined forces and built an institution what represents their common interests.

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Quote from: Buck Naked on March 10, 2015, 08:05:24 PM

And it's not an Onion headline.

It would be nice seeing Greece out of Euro zone, EU and Schengen, but it wouldn't be fair to let the people in the hands of despots like last time, hope they can get to an agreement.

It would be nice for the E.U to disappear and for European nations to be sovereign and not controlled by the elite.

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sink one of these migrant boats in the med, they'll soon stop coming over

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 11, 2015, 07:04:38 AM

Quote from: NeuroticFish on March 11, 2015, 06:41:27 AM

It's simple and pure rhetoric. People from Greece can already travel free inside Europe.
If Greece doesn't fix it problems, some of the people will go from there anywhere they can get a better living. And that will happen with or without more money from EU.

And the jihadis.. they can be recruited same easily all across Europe, I don't think that Greece can have really more than other countries. And they have to be trained somewhere, and I doubt that can happen in Greece.

Probably he referred immigrants outside of the EU and "authentic" jihadists from Syria and Iraq.

If they don't respect the EU borders protocol, then they will indeed have a big chance to get the well deserved (and wanted?) kick out from EU.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on March 11, 2015, 06:41:27 AM

It's simple and pure rhetoric. People from Greece can already travel free inside Europe.
If Greece doesn't fix it problems, some of the people will go from there anywhere they can get a better living. And that will happen with or without more money from EU.

And the jihadis.. they can be recruited same easily all across Europe, I don't think that Greece can have really more than other countries. And they have to be trained somewhere, and I doubt that can happen in Greece.

Probably he referred immigrants outside of the EU and "authentic" jihadists from Syria and Iraq.

countryfree

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Your country may be your worst enemy

The EU was supposed to be a club where countries would be partners, and Greece's being such a poor and inefficient country, it needs friends! I guess the new Greek government wants the country kicked out of EU, but that it doesn't want the Greek people to think it's responsible for the exit.

That's the EU's problem. It should be a gentlemen's club, and it doesn't know how to handle rogue members such as Greece.

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It's simple and pure rhetoric. People from Greece can already travel free inside Europe.
If Greece doesn't fix it problems, some of the people will go from there anywhere they can get a better living. And that will happen with or without more money from EU.

And the jihadis.. they can be recruited same easily all across Europe, I don't think that Greece can have really more than other countries. And they have to be trained somewhere, and I doubt that can happen in Greece.

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Quote from: Panos Kammenos (Greek Defence Minister)

“If Europe leaves us in the crisis, we will flood it with migrants, and it will be even worse for Berlin if in that wave of millions of economic migrants there will be some jihadists of the Islamic State, too.”

I cannot imagine an government official said that! I had to find a second source, but this for real:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11459675/Greeces-defence-minister-threatens-to-send-migrants-including-jihadists-to-Western-Europe.html

Nikos Kotzias, the Greek foreign minister, said the same thing: "there will be tens of millions of immigrants and thousands of jihadists”. This is extortion! They did not manage their finances well and defaulted their loans. Now they make threats to export terrorists? They deserve to leave the EU.

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If it weren't for the Jihadists bit, that would actually be quite funny, that said, it shows you what dicks these mainstream politicians are, I don't understand how people keep electing them, oh wait a second, I do, it's because the voting blocks are a bunch of selfish assholes who will attack the less organised with the majority vote. They should show some balls and hurry up and leave the EU to make their own country, but I suspect these guys are looking for a nice and safe EU career where they don't have to worry about elections.

I most likely won't vote in the general election but i'll definitely be voting on the EU referendum, I think though just to spite the main parties I'll be donating money to the Liberty League, in Bitcoin of course.

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greece thinks theres a free ATM and they can draw free money whenever are in trouble, they got bailed out not once, but twice and now they want more and they probably need a fourth then a fifth bailout, well they got nothing to lose have they

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The European Union is a failure. Just accepet it. It is impossible to unite all these Southerners and Easterners with the Northerners and the Westerners. Time to disband the European union.

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Quote from: Zephir on March 11, 2015, 04:20:10 AM

Quote from: Snail2 on March 11, 2015, 03:04:28 AM

Silly decision, Greece is an island within the Schengen area (they have no common borders with any other country in the Schengen area) so it's easy to extend the border controls to planes and ships from Greece and reinforce border controls in Hungary and Austria (what is already a reinforced one because of the huge numbers of illegal immigrants from Kosovo in the last year).

I´m Austrian and there are no border controls reinforced because of immigrants or other things.
All borders from Austria except Swiss and Liechtenstein, are to other EU-countries.

This summer there are for a few weeks border controls, because in Bavaria/Germany is a summit conference of G-8 and in Tyrol/Austria is the Bilderberger meeting at around the same time.

Sorry my mistake, the "already reinforced" meant that the Hungarian border control have been reinforced recently on the southern Serbian border.
Also forgot Slovenia what is part of the Schengen zone.
So the let me correct myself: ...and reinforce border controls in Hungary and Slovenia...

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 11, 2015, 03:04:28 AM

Silly decision, Greece is an island within the Schengen area (they have no common borders with any other country in the Schengen area) so it's easy to extend the border controls to planes and ships from Greece and reinforce border controls in Hungary and Austria (what is already a reinforced one because of the huge numbers of illegal immigrants from Kosovo in the last year).

I´m Austrian and there are no border controls reinforced because of immigrants or other things.
All borders from Austria except Swiss and Liechtenstein, are to other EU-countries.

This summer there are for a few weeks border controls, because in Bavaria/Germany is a summit conference of G-8 and in Tyrol/Austria is the Bilderberger meeting at around the same time.

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Silly decision, Greece is an island within the Schengen area (they have no common borders with any other country in the Schengen area) so it's easy to extend the border controls to planes and ships from Greece and reinforce border controls in Hungary and Austria (what is already a reinforced one because of the huge numbers of illegal immigrants from Kosovo in the last year).

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How can any politician believe that this is the way to win friends and influence people to help their country? Such comments tap into the fears of many Europeans and is only likely to attract a negative response. I think people will still go there on holiday though, as it will be dirt cheap.

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Quote from: sickhouse on March 10, 2015, 08:01:09 PM

Wow... low blow. But wouldn't make that big of a difference? Many jihadists in Greece? Because we already got tons of them over here.. Go Greece I say, EU is already losing so much money either ways.

I'm kind of impressed that their is a defense minister anywhere in the world that said
It's ok if we invite jihadists to our country because they will leave here anyway and go bother people somewhere else, aka its not our problem lets let them into Greece.

Terror By Proxy
Facepalm the newest form of a diplomatic negotiation tool.

(Like the end of the article)
Only Britain would be spared the threat, if carried out, as it has retained its border controls.
Britain is like ha-ha
(I guess that is as good a reason as any to retain borders, not like they were connected to the mainland anyway with their island status ^^)

Anyways that said even in a debt crisis Greece representatives should not resort to desperate threats as a political tactic.

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He is trying real hard to get Greece kicked out of the EU.

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What he probably means is that they´ll flood them more. I´m sure it´s been quite the torrent already in the last years. Being on the dole in Berlin or Stockholm beats Athens by a mile.

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Quote from: ChicagoSchooler on March 10, 2015, 07:53:51 PM

Things have at least gone to extreme rhetoric:

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Greek Defense Minister Panos Kammenos warns Europe that if no bailout of its economic crisis is forthcoming, his nation will flood Europe with migrants and jihadists, providing them with papers to travel legally throughout the continent.

Kammenos said: “If Europe leaves us in the crisis, we will flood it with migrants, and it will be even worse for Berlin if in that wave of millions of economic migrants there will be some jihadists of the Islamic State, too.”

“If they strike us, we will strike them,” the official said. “We will give to migrants from everywhere the documents they need to travel in the Schengen area, so that the human wave could go straight to Berlin.” The Schengen area is passport-free.

I think the saying goes he has dug himself a hole, i mean damn what is he doing trying to blackmail Europe aha He had so much more chance just keeping his mouth shut now he may have screwed his innocent citizens because he could not keep it closed. There will be riots

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And it's not an Onion headline.

It would be nice seeing Greece out of Euro zone, EU and Schengen, but it wouldn't be fair to let the people in the hands of despots like last time, hope they can get to an agreement.

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Wow... low blow. But wouldn't make that big of a difference? Many jihadists in Greece? Because we already got tons of them over here.. Go Greece I say, EU is already losing so much money either ways.

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