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Topic: 1 to 2 BTC Loan needed. iOS apps as Collateral offered. (Read 222 times)

legendary
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Merit: 1019
What OP fails to understand is the meaning of collateral.

1. Collateral is something that the lender can easily sell to recoup his loss in case that you default - your app can't be easily sold for the amount you're asking.
2. Collateral is something that you will no longer have during the loan period - you still have the app code so you have no incentive to pay back the loan.
3. Collateral is something that can't be recovered by you by any means - you can recover it by social engeneering.

What you are offering is nowhere near considered as collateral.


If you understand this, please offer something valid as collateral. If you don't have a valid collateral than please lock your thread.

If you continue to push this, then the only logical explanation is that you are trying to scam.

Thank you so much for explaining this so clearly.  Kiss

I understand now that my app/s can't be considered collateral since it isn't that easy to sell them (it is possible though!) even if they're worth more than the loan amount.

As for the app code, I can give that too to the lender alongwith a signed NDA and Non-compete clause in it. But I understand that it still can't be considered 100% "non-recoverable".

BTW, what is "social engineering"?!


Off-topic question: Why isn't USDT (Tether) or TrueUSD considered as collateral by the community?... They too are 'quasi-crypto' coins and can be liquidated if loan is defaulted on, then why isn't anyone on this lender topic offering them as collateral? ... Are they banned as collateral?


Even if it is possible to sell the app, this can't be done in a timely manner. This is essential for the lender, because in the event that BTC start to rise, you have to top up the collateral to maintain the agreed margin. If you fail to do this, the lender must quickly sell your collateral to avoid a loss. This is the reason that most altcoins used as collateral are keept on exchanges with a stop loss order.

A signed NDA and Non-compete clause have absolutely no value here. This is because in the event of a misunderstanding between you and the lender, he must take you to court to resolve the issues. Absolutely no one here will go with this.

Social engineering means a form of hacking that doesn't have anything with coding, but uses people instead. For example, I can call a company and pretend to be the owner of an account. If I manage to trick them to give me access to the account, than this is called social engineering.

In your case, you really are the true owner of the apps, and even if you transfer them to someone else, you can call them and state that your computer was hacked. This is much more frequently than you think so this is the reason that most online account are not considered collateral.

For the off-topic question, I don't know why.
newbie
Activity: 86
Merit: 0
What OP fails to understand is the meaning of collateral.

1. Collateral is something that the lender can easily sell to recoup his loss in case that you default - your app can't be easily sold for the amount you're asking.
2. Collateral is something that you will no longer have during the loan period - you still have the app code so you have no incentive to pay back the loan.
3. Collateral is something that can't be recovered by you by any means - you can recover it by social engeneering.

What you are offering is nowhere near considered as collateral.


If you understand this, please offer something valid as collateral. If you don't have a valid collateral than please lock your thread.

If you continue to push this, then the only logical explanation is that you are trying to scam.

Thank you so much for explaining this so clearly.  Kiss

I understand now that my app/s can't be considered collateral since it isn't that easy to sell them (it is possible though!) even if they're worth more than the loan amount.

As for the app code, I can give that too to the lender alongwith a signed NDA and Non-compete clause in it. But I understand that it still can't be considered 100% "non-recoverable".

BTW, what is "social engineering"?!


Off-topic question: Why isn't USDT (Tether) or TrueUSD considered as collateral by the community?... They too are 'quasi-crypto' coins and can be liquidated if loan is defaulted on, then why isn't anyone on this lender topic offering them as collateral? ... Are they banned as collateral?
legendary
Activity: 1397
Merit: 1019
What OP fails to understand is the meaning of collateral.

1. Collateral is something that the lender can easily sell to recoup his loss in case that you default - your app can't be easily sold for the amount you're asking.
2. Collateral is something that you will no longer have during the loan period - you still have the app code so you have no incentive to pay back the loan.
3. Collateral is something that can't be recovered by you by any means - you can recover it by social engeneering.

What you are offering is nowhere near considered as collateral.


If you understand this, please offer something valid as collateral. If you don't have a valid collateral than please lock your thread.

If you continue to push this, then the only logical explanation is that you are trying to scam.
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1253
So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
You can't tell me what to do and what not to do! ... Not everyone, apart from you, is here to "scam" people!   Roll Eyes
Anybody can scam another person in future. Trust in this community is subjective and you are trying to extrapolate things you dont have any idea about.

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Please don't generalize and speak on behalf of the entire crypto-community just because you don't understand something!
Nobody is generalizing anything. We have seen too many scams happen and people to fall for them. Whenever the terms are not clear its just fun fact that the loan ends up being defaulted? Talk about coincidence? I call it scam.

Back on topic : Can you explain how the lender is secured after these apps are collateralized from social engineering and not recovered by the original owner during the loan term?
sr. member
Activity: 1344
Merit: 307
Can you explain why an app isn't valid collateral?
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No explaination needed. Its the decision of the person who is lending you to decide whether it is a valid collateral or not.

Much better answer!

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I plan on paying off the long-term loan, but just in case I don't/can't, the app will already be in your developer account, so you would continue to earn monthly passive income from it for months/years to come!

FYI, the app has income potential of 10x of the loan amount, since it has already created sales of around 7x the loan amount till now!
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Dont offer it as collateral then or go to some other place to scam people.

You can't tell me what to do and what not to do! ... Not everyone, apart from you, is here to "scam" people!   Roll Eyes

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Banks (and the people who run them) are too dumb and technologically backward to understand apps and how they make money, that's why I am approaching the Crypto-community for help.

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Yes and we as dumb as banks.
Roll Eyes

Please don't generalize and speak on behalf of the entire crypto-community just because you don't understand something!

Then you dont understand that people here as well as companies (including banks) know how to make money from apps. The problem is that future income isnt valid collateral and its also not a promising source of income because the app only charges a one time fee, which is very low and there wont be any ROI and your other app doesnt look to even have people using it. Two, youre asking for $7k+ for an app that dont even worth more than a couple of dollars and if you default the lender is SOL because for one they are likely not going to be able to get people to buy something that they can get for free, and on top of that, they dont have access to the source to make modifications to it and even if they did, its not a secured collateral because you still have access to the source as well. So they would be out $7k+ as well as the fee that you have to pay to apple if anyone buys or purchase withing.

In my opinion, I feel youre trying to sell the apps because you know they arent making money and youre just trying to find someone who is dumb enough to lend you anything.
newbie
Activity: 86
Merit: 0
Can you explain why an app isn't valid collateral?
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No explaination needed. Its the decision of the person who is lending you to decide whether it is a valid collateral or not.

Much better answer!

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I plan on paying off the long-term loan, but just in case I don't/can't, the app will already be in your developer account, so you would continue to earn monthly passive income from it for months/years to come!

FYI, the app has income potential of 10x of the loan amount, since it has already created sales of around 7x the loan amount till now!
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Dont offer it as collateral then or go to some other place to scam people.

You can't tell me what to do and what not to do! ... Not everyone, apart from you, is here to "scam" people!   Roll Eyes

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Banks (and the people who run them) are too dumb and technologically backward to understand apps and how they make money, that's why I am approaching the Crypto-community for help.

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Yes and we as dumb as banks.
Roll Eyes

Please don't generalize and speak on behalf of the entire crypto-community just because you don't understand something!
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1253
So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
Can you explain why an app isn't valid collateral?
No explaination needed. Its the decision of the person who is lending you to decide whether it is a valid collateral or not.

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I plan on paying off the long-term loan, but just in case I don't/can't, the app will already be in your developer account, so you would continue to earn monthly passive income from it for months/years to come!

FYI, the app has income potential of 10x of the loan amount, since it has already created sales of around 7x the loan amount till now!
Dont offer it as collateral then or go to some other place to scam people.

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Banks (and the people who run them) are too dumb and technologically backward to understand apps and how they make money, that's why I am approaching the Crypto-community for help.
Yes and we as dumb as banks. Roll Eyes
newbie
Activity: 86
Merit: 0
Hi, would you accept an iOS app (8+ years on the App Store) as collateral? .... I need a Loan of around 1 to 2 BTC to expand my app business and create new apps. I already have two apps on the App Store. Details are mentioned below:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/winmail-file-viewer/id379500151
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xmas-slots-santa-casino/id1172707186?mt=8
https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/hiren-bhatt/id379500154?mt=8

It would work like this:
1. I either transfer my apps to your iOS app developer account for the term of the loan. Once loan is repaid, you return my apps back to my iOS account.
2. Loan is a medium-term loan for 6 months.
3. Interest will be paid monthly at whatever rate you decide.

I tried approaching Banks for a loan but had a very hard time making even the freaking Manager understand what apps are and how I make money from them!  Lips sealed

No. An app isnt valid collateral.

Can you explain why an app isn't valid collateral?

I plan on paying off the long-term loan, but just in case I don't/can't, the app will already be in your developer account, so you would continue to earn monthly passive income from it for months/years to come!

FYI, the app has income potential of 10x of the loan amount, since it has already created sales of around 7x the loan amount till now!

Banks (and the people who run them) are too dumb and technologically backward to understand apps and how they make money, that's why I am approaching the Crypto-community for help.
sr. member
Activity: 1344
Merit: 307
Hi, would you accept an iOS app (8+ years on the App Store) as collateral? .... I need a Loan of around 1 to 2 BTC to expand my app business and create new apps. I already have two apps on the App Store. Details are mentioned below:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/winmail-file-viewer/id379500151
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xmas-slots-santa-casino/id1172707186?mt=8
https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/hiren-bhatt/id379500154?mt=8

It would work like this:
1. I either transfer my apps to your iOS app developer account for the term of the loan. Once loan is repaid, you return my apps back to my iOS account.
2. Loan is a medium-term loan for 6 months.
3. Interest will be paid monthly at whatever rate you decide.

I tried approaching Banks for a loan but had a very hard time making even the freaking Manager understand what apps are and how I make money from them!  Lips sealed

No. An app isnt valid collateral.
newbie
Activity: 86
Merit: 0
Hi, would you accept an iOS app (8+ years on the App Store) as collateral? .... I need a Loan of around 1 to 2 BTC to expand my app business and create new apps. I already have two apps on the App Store. Details are mentioned below:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/winmail-file-viewer/id379500151
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xmas-slots-santa-casino/id1172707186?mt=8
https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/hiren-bhatt/id379500154?mt=8

It would work like this:
1. I either transfer my apps to your iOS app developer account for the term of the loan. Once loan is repaid, you return my apps back to my iOS account.
2. Loan is a medium-term loan for 6 months.
3. Interest will be paid monthly at whatever rate you decide.

I tried approaching Banks for a loan but had a very hard time making even the freaking Manager understand what apps are and how I make money from them!  Lips sealed
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