Topic: 100 watt or less miner.. With 16nm Chips.. (Read 2556 times)

Dont get me wrong Sidehack. It was not a complain at all. You are doing a super job. Got myself a newpac. Now have 2 first generation, 1 second and the newpac. All working super well on the hub. 

Let me know if I can do anything to help you business

And I wish NewPacs sold worth a darn and coin was still around $7k. What you want would be a lot easier to accomplish.

I am also looking for a 100-200 watt machine. Not easy to find one. Will check the ltc one for sure but I which Sidehack would di a small pod with around 100-200 w 

The fun is to get involved in BTC mining, learn about how it works.
Setting up a miner and searching for a pool, realizing that you only earn dust, maybe renting hash for a payout or trying another more frequent pool, trying your luck at solo mining and watching the share heights....
Being part of the decentralized BTC economy. BTC is more than just a way to make money.

We need more people that are interested in BTC and not the dollars that they get with BTC.

How can you trust a currency if you do not really know how it works. I bet the most people that got in BTC since end of 2017 do not even understand what a mining pool is or a share...

And not only for the people that are new to BTC, also for the people that are a long time in BTC and never mined.
A solo mining option integrated is also interesting for people that want to gamble.
Also for heating purpose, like i said. 100watt keeps a room warm here in europe.
The Prospero x1 was, silent, nice looking and solid.
Imagine such device with good technology in end of 2017 when there was a great demand and interest.
You could have sold this rigs to supermarkets  
Its all about timing. The product was nice but the timing not good so the company got broke.

But without earnings, what is the point of BTC mining as a hobby?
Unlike the good 'ol pre-ASIC days once a miner is setup it is very much a hands-off operation with virtually no user interaction at all. Sure ya can watch the blinking lights but that is not particularly exciting...

The only current incentive for mining is the block rewards and unless a miner is fast enough to earn more than dust where is the fun? That is unless the miner is pointed at a Lottery pool and your horse comes in, then, CHACHING! BTCBTCBTC

Hi, and thanks for the info so far.
But its not really what i search for, i am actually looking for a sha256 device like the Prospero X1 but with newer chip technology .

I think if mining gets less income in future more people will mine as a hobby and there will be a demand for small low energy devices.
Even now there is a demand in places where electricity costs more than 30cents per kWh. So you do not look what your income is, you look that your hobby is not too expensive.  

Right now (literally right now) I'm working on getting a single chip talking. Once that's done, it won't be difficult to make two, ten or a hundred work together. The R808 failed mostly because of manufacturing issues but it also wasn't that good because of chip efficiency.

If I build anything larger than an improved Terminus, it'll be new boards for an S1/3/5 chassis. With improved heatsinking (like some S3 had) and adjustable voltage and clocking, they should be able to run pretty quietly.

your new sticks are pretty good.  dont use  a lot of power and are stable.

jstefanop's apollo should show up at my house in the next few days.  it should be the most efficient ltc miner on the market.

I am hoping you build  a 200-400 watt quiet 256 miner with new chips.

I have 3x S7-LN to spare.
Great space heater
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtscanada-garage-sale-s7-ln-d3-r4-moonlander-2-4896790

Super cheap.

Talking about jstefanop's Apollo? I've been meaning to follow up with that guy for a while. He does good work.

Stickminers are all I got right now, and I'm just about the only one in the world still building them. In the last year or so I've seen two other outfits come out with stickminers, but they were both Chinese clones of my designs.

My Terminus R808 from the first part of this year was the first sub-100W miner in a long time but it wasn't very good so was discontinued. I'm currently working with Bitmain's BM1387 on the stickminer but that chip is EOL so something new must be had for a close-to-viable updated design. But I'll let you know, it's already in the works.

sent you  a pm with links

Is it possible to build a 100w miner? Sure. Just use only a few chips -- like the stick miners do. Will have near useless speed and be good only for Lottery mining (and being a small heater) though.

I see the demand in near future. 

Do you think it is not possible to build a device in that power range?
Because of your real world physics? 

And I'd like to fly and spit diamonds -- don't see that happening either.
Ain't it a bitch when real-world physics get in the way?  

manufacturer, product name?


But not for 50-200watt and you have to run a extra system.  

I really wonder why there is no manufacturer to invest in producing a small device that people can run in solo mode without paying huge amounts of electricity. Mining should be more decentralized. Every BTC user should be able to afford running a node and a small miner with a low energy consumption. I think that this really was the vision for BTC.

well  there is a ltc miner  that works it is very efficient  but costly.

Sidehacks new sticks are decent.

but there is no  miner for sha256 in the 100 watt area I know of

Something new here maybe with 7nm chips?
The only rig with 100watt is the old Prospero x1 with 100ghs and 1watt/ghs...
I want to heat a room and not a house...
Stickminer are not worth it and the antrouter with sha256 is too expensive and also not what i need.
Is there really no market for a low energy sha256miner around 100watt  

Super excited to by USB or Pod miners .

nice just found the thread .

Can not wait to get some.

It won't be round. CPU heatsinks sounds most interesting but I specifically said I won't be making it CPU heatsink compatible so it doesn't really matter. It'll run in the same power range as a U3 and hook up similarly, but get a buttload more hashrate.

The TypeZero will run in the same power range as the S1, stock probably hotter than S1 but less than S5. Should be better for a home miner than something that draws 1400W wall.

So something similar in design to the Antminer U3?  CPU heatsinks sounds most interesting- maybe i'll finally have a use for those old intel cpu coolers.
TypeZero sounds great so far, even if it draws 200w per board, still sounds fine assuming the chips are okay. Sounds like you guys are doing some hard work- we might have another source to buy miners from besides bitmain, which is even better Good luck, i'll be buying into a few of these this time around just to support you guys.

Well like I said, I had samples from 2 manufacturers. One of them, the one I had first and already have a hardware prototype capable of hashing, won't be selling more chips so those few prototypes are all that will exist.

The other sent me a bunch more samples (enough to test a stick and a pod) and good datasheets, and they've been proactive and supportive so far. The project is split into three parts (hardware, firmware, driver) with "vh" coding the driver and novak back at the wheel for controls. I've already sent a sans-microcontroller layout to Novak to finish up. My goal is to be shipping sticks by Christmas, which will depend heavily on chip supplies and where the money comes from, which gives us about five weeks to iron out a manufacturable design in time to get a bulk batch of PCBs ordered.

I'm also already working on a pod miner layout that I expect to pull about 80W at the top end. It'll be designed for 12VDC, and take in power from either a barrel jack or a PCIe 6-pin. USB connection with the controls based on the stickminer (which will integrate software voltage control and a temp sensor) probably plus fan control. I will not, as I intended with BM1384 pods, make it compatible with CPU heatsinks as I wasted a heck of a lot of board space providing for various mounting frames and stuff. The current layout, if I can keep it, will be 3x4 inches and use an 80mm fan.

The controls for that will pipe directly into the TypeZero project, which is to say the S1/3/5 chassis-compatible boards. Instead of 80W we're looking more like 200W peak per board.

I'm more excited about it now than I have been in a long time. Just depends on the chip source staying cooperative.

it's not completely over yet, I bet there will be more small 16nm sub-100 watt devices in the future. If larger companies realize that there's actually a large demand for them we might see a product elsewhere. I'm still hyped for something to come out from sidehack, the dream is still alive hopefully you guys get a good chip provider and things next time around, I still believe in you guys ^^

, sad news.

That's a shame. Well I hope I win one in the auctions 

Good news about the progress on the 16nm stick. Fingers crossed they keep selling the chips 

So I mentioned earlier that the software guy is working on a test stick around a 14nm ASIC. I just found out the chip supplier won't be selling more chips, so it looks like the few I can build with sample chips will be the only ones to ever exist.

The software guy is gonna keep working on a driver because the hardware is pretty well working already.

The payment arrangement with him was a percentage of sales. But it looks an awful lot like that's not gonna happen, so I plan to auction off the few functional sticks I can build with sample chips in order to get him paid and cover some of the other dev costs.

I'll probably put up some other failed prototypes (A3218 and BM1385 based) and maybe some pod tests and such.

Not sure yet when that'll happen.

On a "good news" front, I did just send a rough hardware layout to Novak, who will be working on the controls for the new 16nm stick in progress. The control setup should port over pretty readily to pods and full-scale miners with the same chip. Hopefully this time the supplier doesn't fall through. So, our hopes for having a 100W or less miner with 16nm chips is still alive.

Depends on the software guy. He's actually already integrated BM1384 Compac into the Icarus driver, shouldn't be an issue being able to compile new stuff alongside that.

I am also super excited. Hopefully stuff works.

I am super excited for this pod & usb miner.

Would the old usb run along side the new one? Like could I just plug it in and it will start mining?  I assume separate software?

There is no relation between a pod miner and any S1/S3/S5 hardware.

Anything mounting to S1/S3/S5 chassis will not be a pod.

I've taken a look at a few pictures of an s1 and it looks like the same basic construction of the s3. Two end plates that attach to the heatsinks on the hashboard. It's that how the pod miner will fit? I've got two end plates (where the fans attach) from an old s3 and was going to throw them out, but won't if they are useful.

This is a awesome news! I will be more than happy to provide support for Canada.

 Let me know!

Looks like my little aluminium rig to house my atx breakout board, 12v converter, raspi and usb hubs and three gekkos wont go to waste after all then 

A new Compac may be forthcoming depending on chip sources and the software guy currently working on a test stick.

I got some other sample chips and just got datasheets for them yesterday, and have already started scheming with software guys about what we want to do for a 1-chip stick and probably a 10-chip pod (estimate in the 80W peak power range) whose concepts will transfer pretty readily to a full S1 refit board. I won't set a tentative ETA because there are entirely too many variables, but I would really really like to be selling stick miners and maybe have some pods by Christmas.

The mods likes to move "What miner should i get." in speculation. They dont read the actual posts. As such i've gotten neg'd by a mod after i reported a thread. The mod just looked at the title and maybe a few words, not the posts contained.

Perhaps a rough ETA ?!?!?!!?  Like 6 months or 3 years kind of rough lol? If not no worries.

Move this back to Hardware, it is not speculation related at all.  It's hardware related. 

You are my hero!! I want one so badly!! lol. Alas.. just one or two of the pods but hey I still want them!!

Ive got my sidehack'd S7LN running 445m and drawing 440watt at the wall and getting a shade over 2Th. So if you underclock it even more then you could well be below your 400watt limit and still be +1Th range which is more efficient than the R-boxes.

You can always buy an S7-LN, undervolt and throw out the other blade and you'll have a 200W miner.

And everyone else helping out. To be fair, I'm just the project hub and nothing would get done if there weren't three or four other people pitching in on different parts of it.

REALLY looking forward to this....

Keep up the great work, @Sidehack!!!

I cannot announce anything official, but let it be known I am working on both ~100W pod and new sticks with 14/16nm chips.

Subject.. these 800+ watt miners are just to much power draw.. It is expensive for a hobby.  100watts and under is almost unnoticeable on a power bill.. Anyone heard of any news by chance of a 100 watt or less miner.

Still running the "new r-box" and 4 side hack USB's I am(I really like the usb miners, random side request anyone have a youtube link of setting it up on a raspi start to finish?).  I will not use over 400 watts for mining and like to keep it under 150.