11 Planes were taken by rebels in Libya, potentiel terrorist attacks incoming

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lol.. what they'll do with the planes?

Almost every single country in the European continent possess advanced surface to air missiles (SAM). These planes will be shot down even before they get a chance to cross the Mediterranean Sea.

Hmm... if they are targeting some shitty Sub-Saharan African nation.... well, then there might be a chance. Niger or Chad (to the South of Libya) seems to be somewhat safe targets. Grin

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Quote from: DhaniBoy on August 25, 2014, 06:33:06 PM

there are so many airplane hijacking in the world, such as MH370 malaysia airplane, but there is no progress about it, who is the hijacker (terrorist or the other) we do not know, about 11 planes were taken by rebels in libya, we don't know about it's a terrorist action or not, maybe another country has involved to this terrorist action, hopefully this is just a local crime ...

Do you know something the rest of don't are you just guessing like CNN with it's 1001 hypotheses?

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there are so many airplane hijacking in the world, such as MH370 malaysia airplane, but there is no progress about it, who is the hijacker (terrorist or the other) we do not know, about 11 planes were taken by rebels in libya, we don't know about it's a terrorist action or not, maybe another country has involved to this terrorist action, hopefully this is just a local crime ...

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Quote from: crazy-pilot on August 22, 2014, 08:23:47 PM

Quote from: DrG on August 22, 2014, 12:06:19 AM

Quote from: Watoshi-Dimobuto on August 20, 2014, 04:01:42 AM

Quote from: kuroman on August 20, 2014, 02:41:30 AM

Quote from: Hamuki on August 18, 2014, 03:47:16 AM

Quote from: CoinBoerse.com on August 18, 2014, 03:30:27 AM

This planes will be guarded and will having hard time getting near on advance countries unless they have good pilot that knows how to evade the radars.

Fly low to get under the radar..

But still possible to see them and report them..
It is so sad, scary and annoying to see rebels take planes like this.. Because you never know if they are going to use them for transport purpases or to ram something like 9/11.

No matter what I am sure that they will be shot down if they are found and they come too close to any large pupulated area.

depending of the type of planes this may or may not work, but I assume that most of the planes are the average jetliner like Boeing 737 or Airbus 320 and co, I doubt flying it low will work, and I think the best solution is to disguise it as a commercial trip, but again from what I read from the article, the planes has not only to identify to civil aviation but also to military before and when they enter the air space of those countries

They can shadow other commercial flights. This needs very professional pilots because they need to came very close to other commercial airplane and also they need to turn off the plane transponder. Making the two planes as one as seen on the radar.

That level of flying is beyond what any rebel pilot may be capable of. Getting withing 100 ft of a commercial jet without the wake killing your airstream is hard enough, getting within 5 feet to mask the signature and keeping that formation is something most fighter pilots could not do. Only Hollywood has ideas like that.

The plane don't have be that near to shadow another aircraft. The basic resolution angle formula for a radar is 1.22*wavelength/diameter = angular resolution in radians (circular antenna). For long range Air Traffic Control, typical wavelength is 0.15m, diameter of aerial is 14m. So at 60nm this gives a distance resolution of about 3/4 of a mile. Real antenna have various physical and electronic devices to improve this, so in practice staying at less than 1/10 of this, say 150m, usually means no detection. 150m is the standard FAA specification for its long range radars. We used to use about 75m since we liked to stay "numbers disguised' till about 30nm range.

My aviation experience is limited to rotary rather than fixed wing but I am aware that military radar 2 sequence registration is able to have a far more granular detail than 75m. I guess it depends on the airspace. Flying into Tunisia masked may not be an issue. Flying into Los Angeles or NYC would be damn near impossible, especially given that on approach the altitude decreases and the angular profile increases.

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Quote from: DrG on August 22, 2014, 12:06:19 AM

Quote from: Watoshi-Dimobuto on August 20, 2014, 04:01:42 AM

Quote from: kuroman on August 20, 2014, 02:41:30 AM

Quote from: Hamuki on August 18, 2014, 03:47:16 AM

Quote from: CoinBoerse.com on August 18, 2014, 03:30:27 AM

This planes will be guarded and will having hard time getting near on advance countries unless they have good pilot that knows how to evade the radars.

Fly low to get under the radar..

But still possible to see them and report them..
It is so sad, scary and annoying to see rebels take planes like this.. Because you never know if they are going to use them for transport purpases or to ram something like 9/11.

No matter what I am sure that they will be shot down if they are found and they come too close to any large pupulated area.

depending of the type of planes this may or may not work, but I assume that most of the planes are the average jetliner like Boeing 737 or Airbus 320 and co, I doubt flying it low will work, and I think the best solution is to disguise it as a commercial trip, but again from what I read from the article, the planes has not only to identify to civil aviation but also to military before and when they enter the air space of those countries

They can shadow other commercial flights. This needs very professional pilots because they need to came very close to other commercial airplane and also they need to turn off the plane transponder. Making the two planes as one as seen on the radar.

That level of flying is beyond what any rebel pilot may be capable of. Getting withing 100 ft of a commercial jet without the wake killing your airstream is hard enough, getting within 5 feet to mask the signature and keeping that formation is something most fighter pilots could not do. Only Hollywood has ideas like that.

The plane don't have be that near to shadow another aircraft. The basic resolution angle formula for a radar is 1.22*wavelength/diameter = angular resolution in radians (circular antenna). For long range Air Traffic Control, typical wavelength is 0.15m, diameter of aerial is 14m. So at 60nm this gives a distance resolution of about 3/4 of a mile. Real antenna have various physical and electronic devices to improve this, so in practice staying at less than 1/10 of this, say 150m, usually means no detection. 150m is the standard FAA specification for its long range radars. We used to use about 75m since we liked to stay "numbers disguised' till about 30nm range.

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Quote from: Watoshi-Dimobuto on August 20, 2014, 04:01:42 AM

Quote from: kuroman on August 20, 2014, 02:41:30 AM

Quote from: Hamuki on August 18, 2014, 03:47:16 AM

Quote from: CoinBoerse.com on August 18, 2014, 03:30:27 AM

This planes will be guarded and will having hard time getting near on advance countries unless they have good pilot that knows how to evade the radars.

Fly low to get under the radar..

But still possible to see them and report them..
It is so sad, scary and annoying to see rebels take planes like this.. Because you never know if they are going to use them for transport purpases or to ram something like 9/11.

No matter what I am sure that they will be shot down if they are found and they come too close to any large pupulated area.

depending of the type of planes this may or may not work, but I assume that most of the planes are the average jetliner like Boeing 737 or Airbus 320 and co, I doubt flying it low will work, and I think the best solution is to disguise it as a commercial trip, but again from what I read from the article, the planes has not only to identify to civil aviation but also to military before and when they enter the air space of those countries

They can shadow other commercial flights. This needs very professional pilots because they need to came very close to other commercial airplane and also they need to turn off the plane transponder. Making the two planes as one as seen on the radar.

That level of flying is beyond what any rebel pilot may be capable of. Getting withing 100 ft of a commercial jet without the wake killing your airstream is hard enough, getting within 5 feet to mask the signature and keeping that formation is something most fighter pilots could not do. Only Hollywood has ideas like that.

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Apparently Algeria isn't taking this seriously, while, Tunisia, France, Spain, Italy and especially Morocco are taking this seriously.

Also in another news related to Libya that I only saw reported in Francophone media, Tunnels from Libya to Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt were discovered, and they are/were most likely used by terrorist groups

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They will allow them to attack so they can increase police power over us.

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I imagine it won't be too hard to shoot down the plane if they decided to use it as weapons.

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Quote from: Sunderland on August 18, 2014, 11:07:16 AM

hmm world is full of conspiracy now.
MH 370 missing and there is no real explanation about that accident till now , and not long after that , malaysian airplane got hit in Ukraine.

what a wonderful world we lived now Undecided

Modern version of guerrilla warfare targeting Muslim nations.

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Quote from: kuroman on August 20, 2014, 02:41:30 AM

Quote from: Hamuki on August 18, 2014, 03:47:16 AM

Quote from: CoinBoerse.com on August 18, 2014, 03:30:27 AM

This planes will be guarded and will having hard time getting near on advance countries unless they have good pilot that knows how to evade the radars.

Fly low to get under the radar..

But still possible to see them and report them..
It is so sad, scary and annoying to see rebels take planes like this.. Because you never know if they are going to use them for transport purpases or to ram something like 9/11.

No matter what I am sure that they will be shot down if they are found and they come too close to any large pupulated area.

depending of the type of planes this may or may not work, but I assume that most of the planes are the average jetliner like Boeing 737 or Airbus 320 and co, I doubt flying it low will work, and I think the best solution is to disguise it as a commercial trip, but again from what I read from the article, the planes has not only to identify to civil aviation but also to military before and when they enter the air space of those countries

They can shadow other commercial flights. This needs very professional pilots because they need to came very close to other commercial airplane and also they need to turn off the plane transponder. Making the two planes as one as seen on the radar.

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Quote from: Hamuki on August 18, 2014, 03:47:16 AM

Quote from: CoinBoerse.com on August 18, 2014, 03:30:27 AM

This planes will be guarded and will having hard time getting near on advance countries unless they have good pilot that knows how to evade the radars.

Fly low to get under the radar..

But still possible to see them and report them..
It is so sad, scary and annoying to see rebels take planes like this.. Because you never know if they are going to use them for transport purpases or to ram something like 9/11.

No matter what I am sure that they will be shot down if they are found and they come too close to any large pupulated area.

depending of the type of planes this may or may not work, but I assume that most of the planes are the average jetliner like Boeing 737 or Airbus 320 and co, I doubt flying it low will work, and I think the best solution is to disguise it as a commercial trip, but again from what I read from the article, the planes has not only to identify to civil aviation but also to military before and when they enter the air space of those countries

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hmm world is full of conspiracy now.
MH 370 missing and there is no real explanation about that accident till now , and not long after that , malaysian airplane got hit in Ukraine.

what a wonderful world we lived now Undecided

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Quote from: CoinBoerse.com on August 18, 2014, 03:30:27 AM

This planes will be guarded and will having hard time getting near on advance countries unless they have good pilot that knows how to evade the radars.

Fly low to get under the radar..

But still possible to see them and report them..
It is so sad, scary and annoying to see rebels take planes like this.. Because you never know if they are going to use them for transport purpases or to ram something like 9/11.

No matter what I am sure that they will be shot down if they are found and they come too close to any large pupulated area.

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This planes will be guarded and will having hard time getting near on advance countries unless they have good pilot that knows how to evade the radars.

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Apparently and according to several Francophone news sources 11 planes are under rebels in Libya, this has raised the security level in south european and north african countries to maximum (military level) with many SAM systems being deployed in the concerned countries and jet fighters and interceptors on standby, there are several videos on the Internet showing the deployed of such systems nears big cities and infrastructure in the concerned countries

http://www.lemag.ma/Presse-11-avions-libyens-tombes-aux-mains-des-terroristes-menacent-le-Maghreb_a84912.html

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