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Just a heads up. 
During the tournament, we collected over 1,100 BTC in TestNet coins.  We just donated these coins back to the TestNet faucets:
550 coins to TP's TestNet Faucet
550 coins to MojoCoin

Here are the transactions in case anyone cares  Smiley
http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/cc3c9bf8655479f7afb018907468bda3da2f760ac76fde70a44f5633b501b930
http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/c4dce9e2ac16dae41ab51fe3647501c3fc3d89b0c72809eff0b8b28e151c2004

Thanks,
MooCoin
That's very responsible of you. Will there be another contest like this? I missed out on most of this.
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Just a heads up. 
During the tournament, we collected over 1,100 BTC in TestNet coins.  We just donated these coins back to the TestNet faucets:
550 coins to TP's TestNet Faucet
550 coins to MojoCoin

Here are the transactions in case anyone cares  Smiley
http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/cc3c9bf8655479f7afb018907468bda3da2f760ac76fde70a44f5633b501b930
http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/c4dce9e2ac16dae41ab51fe3647501c3fc3d89b0c72809eff0b8b28e151c2004

Thanks,
MooCoin
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I'm a little curious as to why my account that went 95-0 didn't win the best win:loss ratio leaderboard.  Seems like 100% should beat 99.68%.

Yep - totally fair question.  We use a weighting algorithm as described in the rules.   More specifically, we use the lower bound of the Wilson interval at a 95% confidence interval to calculate the rankings.  This makes it so that someone who wins 999/1000 games ranks higher than someone who won 1/1 games.  Clearly the guy who won 999/1000 is more likely to be the better player.

Thanks,
MooCoin

That makes sense.  I guess my only argument would be that the leader-board doesn't say "best player" it says "best win:loss ratio".  And a 1:0 ratio is better then a 999:1 ratio.  If you wanted to figure out the best player, it seems like it would be some sort of ELO rating system or something.  It's nitpicky on my end, sure, but the whole leaderboard bot stress test system seemed to be built around being nitpicky.

Nah - I don't think it's nitpicky.  The reality is that we were going to do a straight ratio, then decided to go ahead and do something better (Wilson interval), and neglected to go back and change the subtitle from "ratio" to "ranking".  We did clarify our calculation in the rules but you're right - we should have changed it from ratio.

For the day-to-day play, the leaderboards will be for fun.  Before we run our next tournament (on the MainNet!!!), we're going to implement ELO to take into account the relative strength of players.  This will become even more important as we create more and more skill-based games.

Thanks for the feedback and sorry if it wasn't clear how we were ranking players.
MooCoin

I understand.  Bummer I wasted my time on something that wasn't clear, but it was only a few hours and honestly I'll probably play on the site once it's up for real btc because the hi/low game is really fun and seems like something that has a skill element to it (and I used to love watching Card Sharks).

Thanks.  We look forward to having you join the live site.  We have even more games in store, as well.
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I'm a little curious as to why my account that went 95-0 didn't win the best win:loss ratio leaderboard.  Seems like 100% should beat 99.68%.

Yep - totally fair question.  We use a weighting algorithm as described in the rules.   More specifically, we use the lower bound of the Wilson interval at a 95% confidence interval to calculate the rankings.  This makes it so that someone who wins 999/1000 games ranks higher than someone who won 1/1 games.  Clearly the guy who won 999/1000 is more likely to be the better player.

Thanks,
MooCoin

That makes sense.  I guess my only argument would be that the leader-board doesn't say "best player" it says "best win:loss ratio".  And a 1:0 ratio is better then a 999:1 ratio.  If you wanted to figure out the best player, it seems like it would be some sort of ELO rating system or something.  It's nitpicky on my end, sure, but the whole leaderboard bot stress test system seemed to be built around being nitpicky.

Nah - I don't think it's nitpicky.  The reality is that we were going to do a straight ratio, then decided to go ahead and do something better (Wilson interval), and neglected to go back and change the subtitle from "ratio" to "ranking".  We did clarify our calculation in the rules but you're right - we should have changed it from ratio.

For the day-to-day play, the leaderboards will be for fun.  Before we run our next tournament (on the MainNet!!!), we're going to implement ELO to take into account the relative strength of players.  This will become even more important as we create more and more skill-based games.

Thanks for the feedback and sorry if it wasn't clear how we were ranking players.
MooCoin

I understand.  Bummer I wasted my time on something that wasn't clear, but it was only a few hours and honestly I'll probably play on the site once it's up for real btc because the hi/low game is really fun and seems like something that has a skill element to it (and I used to love watching Card Sharks).
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I'm a little curious as to why my account that went 95-0 didn't win the best win:loss ratio leaderboard.  Seems like 100% should beat 99.68%.

Yep - totally fair question.  We use a weighting algorithm as described in the rules.   More specifically, we use the lower bound of the Wilson interval at a 95% confidence interval to calculate the rankings.  This makes it so that someone who wins 999/1000 games ranks higher than someone who won 1/1 games.  Clearly the guy who won 999/1000 is more likely to be the better player.

Thanks,
MooCoin

That makes sense.  I guess my only argument would be that the leader-board doesn't say "best player" it says "best win:loss ratio".  And a 1:0 ratio is better then a 999:1 ratio.  If you wanted to figure out the best player, it seems like it would be some sort of ELO rating system or something.  It's nitpicky on my end, sure, but the whole leaderboard bot stress test system seemed to be built around being nitpicky.

Nah - I don't think it's nitpicky.  The reality is that we were going to do a straight ratio, then decided to go ahead and do something better (Wilson interval), and neglected to go back and change the subtitle from "ratio" to "ranking".  We did clarify our calculation in the rules but you're right - we should have changed it from ratio.

For the day-to-day play, the leaderboards will be for fun.  Before we run our next tournament (on the MainNet!!!), we're going to implement ELO to take into account the relative strength of players.  This will become even more important as we create more and more skill-based games.

Thanks for the feedback and sorry if it wasn't clear how we were ranking players.
MooCoin
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I'm Winner
Best winning ratio: PUBaa46516ff63faaf7daf3aeda9c6aa35e5
Best winning streak: PUBaa46516ff63faaf7daf3aeda9c6a35e5



Who is PUB92af0fb5316f5ef9ad340e96d253b4a1..
I almost got lost because it could not keep pace with the speed of play..  Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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I'm a little curious as to why my account that went 95-0 didn't win the best win:loss ratio leaderboard.  Seems like 100% should beat 99.68%.

Yep - totally fair question.  We use a weighting algorithm as described in the rules.   More specifically, we use the lower bound of the Wilson interval at a 95% confidence interval to calculate the rankings.  This makes it so that someone who wins 999/1000 games ranks higher than someone who won 1/1 games.  Clearly the guy who won 999/1000 is more likely to be the better player.

Thanks,
MooCoin

That makes sense.  I guess my only argument would be that the leader-board doesn't say "best player" it says "best win:loss ratio".  And a 1:0 ratio is better then a 999:1 ratio.  If you wanted to figure out the best player, it seems like it would be some sort of ELO rating system or something.  It's nitpicky on my end, sure, but the whole leaderboard bot stress test system seemed to be built around being nitpicky.
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I'm a little curious as to why my account that went 95-0 didn't win the best win:loss ratio leaderboard.  Seems like 100% should beat 99.68%.

Yep - totally fair question.  We use a weighting algorithm as described in the rules.   More specifically, we use the lower bound of the Wilson interval at a 95% confidence interval to calculate the rankings.  This makes it so that someone who wins 999/1000 games ranks higher than someone who won 1/1 games.  Clearly the guy who won 999/1000 is more likely to be the better player.

Thanks,
MooCoin
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I'm a little curious as to why my account that went 95-0 didn't win the best win:loss ratio leaderboard.  Seems like 100% should beat 99.68%.
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Hi Everyone!

The Release Candidate Tournament is now over!
Congratulations to our winners, and thanks to everyone who was on the site and helped us get the system ready for launch.  We learned a LOT about running the system at scale and that's going to help us make the launch even better for you, the players!

We're going to make some changes to the system before we go live, but they won't take long.  Stay tuned to BitCoinTalk.org for our launch announcement, or check back at www.moocoin.com

Here are the winners of the 6 leaderboards

Most Bitcoin earned through referrals: PUBc4cfa98886fa98146d7cdc3b6342a7a0   - PAID!
Most Bitcoin won: PUB358c2b3af200b823341d4eba16a60122 - PAID!
Best winning ratio: PUBaa46516ff63faaf7daf3aeda9c6a35e5 - PAID!
Most games played: PUB92af0fb5316f5ef9ad340e96d253b4a1 - PAID!
Best winning streak: PUBaa46516ff63faaf7daf3aeda9c6a35e5 - PAID!
Worst losing streak: PUB48cb9dfc3baefb77ba4b1696435c7074 - PAID!

If you won, please email us at [email protected] as soon as possible to collect your 0.2 BTC reward!

Thanks!
MooCoin
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to PUB92af0fb5316f...

I'm very tired chasing ratings 1.. Sad
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ok sir.. i understand..
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then what steps should I do in order to make a withdrawal?

Thanks..

Just withdraw to a TestNet address.
As stated above, MooCoin is not running on the bitcoin network right now.  It's not using real bitcoins.  We're using the fake "TestNet" bitcoins in order to test the system before our launch.  You can't withdraw testNet bitcoins to a "real" bitcoin address.

Sorry for the confusion,
MooCoin
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then what steps should I do in order to make a withdrawal?

Thanks..
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Hello Sir..
Why I can't withdrawal..

notice
"Sorry. You entered an invalid amount to withdraw."





Sorry - the problem is that this is the wrong error message. 
You're trying to withdrawal the coins to a mainnet address, and MooCoin is currently running on TestNet.  If you use a TestNet address, the withdrawal will work.

Also, I'll go fix the error message.

Thanks!
MooCoin
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The miners fee is .0001 btc, so your withdrawal is zero after the miners fee. We need a better message for the case where you're withdrawing exactly .0001. Can you try .00011 and see if that works?

the miners fee is .0001 btc.. i'm withdrawal .0010 btc.. but can't withdrawal sir..

Sorry. I missed the decimal place. Let me go take a look.
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The miners fee is .0001 btc, so your withdrawal is zero after the miners fee. We need a better message for the case where you're withdrawing exactly .0001. Can you try .00011 and see if that works?

the miners fee is .0001 btc.. i'm withdrawal .0010 btc.. but can't withdrawal sir..
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The miners fee is .0001 btc, so your withdrawal is zero after the miners fee. We need a better message for the case where you're withdrawing exactly .0001. Can you try .00011 and see if that works?
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Hello Sir..
Why I can't withdrawal..

notice
"Sorry. You entered an invalid amount to withdraw."



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Hey everyone,
Please don't bot the bot.  In other words, don't join the bots game with your scripts.  I'd like it to hang out there for people when they show up to play, rather than having them leave the site because there aren't any games.  Having games for people to play when they come to the site is critical for our success. 

Thanks,
MooCoin
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We just introduced a new feature.  We now have a friendly bot on the site that will play games with you.  We decided to do this to make sure that you always had someone to play, even when traffic is low.  We want to make sure you know you're playing a bot, so we've tagged him:


He will always keep one hi-lo game open at .000001 btc.  If you don't see him, it's because he's already in a game.  Just give him a second and he'll create another one as soon as he's finished.  Also, he's not very good.  In fact, he's horrible.  It's just a proof of concept right now.  What do you guys think?  Should we have bots on the site to play when there aren't enough people?  If you like the idea, we'll make it provably fair, etc.

Thanks,
MooCoin
Make bot for rock, stone too please  Grin
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We just introduced a new feature.  We now have a friendly bot on the site that will play games with you.  We decided to do this to make sure that you always had someone to play, even when traffic is low.  We want to make sure you know you're playing a bot, so we've tagged him:


He will always keep one hi-lo game open at .000001 btc.  If you don't see him, it's because he's already in a game.  Just give him a second and he'll create another one as soon as he's finished.  Also, he's not very good.  In fact, he's horrible.  It's just a proof of concept right now.  What do you guys think?  Should we have bots on the site to play when there aren't enough people?  If you like the idea, we'll make it provably fair, etc.

Thanks,
MooCoin
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You are 100% correct.

If you crash the server because your bot went crazy, I will be extremely happy.
If you drain the faucet because you find a way to exploit the limits and captcha, I'll be thrilled.
If you double up bets with bots and make a 1,000 btc wager, then withdrawal it, I'll be ecstatic.
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This seems like fun, and I'd def play it for real btc, but this testing situation seems like it's populated by people just playing against themselves (or in groups where one person always wins and the other always loses).  In these games, it's impossible to have a win streak in the hundreds, or a w:l ratio over around 60%, yet someone has a 680 game win streak with a win streak of 99%.  The same applies to most won, and to a lesser degree longest losing streak (although technically that one could be obtained fairly by just intentionally losing every game with no collusion). 

You're absolutely correct.
Part of the purpose of this tournament was to allow (or incent) abnormal behavior so we can build a profile of it.  That will help us identify cheating, bots, and collusion when the site goes live on the 24th.
For now, see which of the leaderboards you can hack your way to the top of.  I think the referral board is ripe to be taken over!

Thanks,
MooCoin

Ok, sounds good.

Just so I understand you correctly, it's acceptable to create multiple accounts for the sole purpose of manipulating the leaderboard to win some of the .2 btc awards you are giving out in a week?  If that's the goal, I'll def participate and help you stress test it, I just want to make sure I understand you correctly before I devote the time to doing that.
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This seems like fun, and I'd def play it for real btc, but this testing situation seems like it's populated by people just playing against themselves (or in groups where one person always wins and the other always loses).  In these games, it's impossible to have a win streak in the hundreds, or a w:l ratio over around 60%, yet someone has a 680 game win streak with a win streak of 99%.  The same applies to most won, and to a lesser degree longest losing streak (although technically that one could be obtained fairly by just intentionally losing every game with no collusion). 

You're absolutely correct.
Part of the purpose of this tournament was to allow (or incent) abnormal behavior so we can build a profile of it.  That will help us identify cheating, bots, and collusion when the site goes live on the 24th.
For now, see which of the leaderboards you can hack your way to the top of.  I think the referral board is ripe to be taken over!

Thanks,
MooCoin
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This seems like fun, and I'd def play it for real btc, but this testing situation seems like it's populated by people just playing against themselves (or in groups where one person always wins and the other always loses).  In these games, it's impossible to have a win streak in the hundreds, or a w:l ratio over around 60%, yet someone has a 680 game win streak with a win streak of 99%.  The same applies to most won, and to a lesser degree longest losing streak (although technically that one could be obtained fairly by just intentionally losing every game with no collusion). 
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Hey all!

Only 6 days left in the tournament.  Come to MooCoin for your chance to win 1.2 BTC

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We're going to take the server down for about 5 minutes to do an upgrade that can't be done with our normal zero-downtime procedure.  Please stand by!

Thanks,
MooCoin


All set.  Game on!
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We're going to take the server down for about 5 minutes to do an upgrade that can't be done with our normal zero-downtime procedure.  Please stand by!

Thanks,
MooCoin
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Can explain more about Test net coin ? At mooCoin show bitcoin address and bitcoin balance. I'am a bit confused

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet

The balance and address you see are on the bitcoin TestNet.  We use testnet as a way to test our software without exposing our users to the risk of something going wrong with their real money.
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Can explain more about Test net coin ? At mooCoin show bitcoin address and bitcoin balance. I'am a bit confused

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet
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Can explain more about Test net coin ? At mooCoin show bitcoin address and bitcoin balance. I'am a bit confused
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Hi, I like the concept of this site but can you make private game that only can be play by inviting people ? Because it more fun and make easy for me play with my friends that live far away.

Definitely!  Look for this and in-game chat in the future.
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Hi, I like the concept of this site but can you make private game that only can be play by inviting people ? Because it more fun and make easy for me play with my friends that live far away.
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The sticky game issue has been resolved.  If you guys see this happen again, please let us know.  We've also put a monitor on the logs for this, as well.

Thanks for your patience!
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I'm getting some 502 errors.  Or I make a move and then it acts like I didn't make a move and my opponent and I apparently get stuck and no one can move and it turns into a draw.  I'm surprised you're offering so much BTC reward for a program that has some major bugs.

Sorry you're experiencing problems.  I'll have someone take a look right now.  If you can, please send your public account ID to [email protected] to help us out.  You can find your public account ID by pressing the help button at the top of the screen.

For what it's worth, we've run tens of thousands of games through the system with people, and millions with automated scripts, largely without issue.  Sometimes these things only come out in a production system with real people playing.  That's exactly why we're putting up 1.2 btc of our own money.  It's also why we're running the system on TestNet until we're confident that we can responsibly handle people's deposits on the MainNet.

Thanks for the feedback!
MooCoin

After looking at the logs, we found a situation where some games can get stuck and don't finish.  The server still thinks the game is active and future moves in other games break.

We've reset the stuck games and are looking for the root cause of the issue.  Once we've tested it, we'll deploy the fix.

Thanks!
MooCoin
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I'm getting some 502 errors.  Or I make a move and then it acts like I didn't make a move and my opponent and I apparently get stuck and no one can move and it turns into a draw.  I'm surprised you're offering so much BTC reward for a program that has some major bugs.

Sorry you're experiencing problems.  I'll have someone take a look right now.  If you can, please send your public account ID to [email protected] to help us out.  You can find your public account ID by pressing the help button at the top of the screen.

For what it's worth, we've run tens of thousands of games through the system with people, and millions with automated scripts, largely without issue.  Sometimes these things only come out in a production system with real people playing.  That's exactly why we're putting up 1.2 btc of our own money.  It's also why we're running the system on TestNet until we're confident that we can responsibly handle people's deposits on the MainNet.

Thanks for the feedback!
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I'm getting some 502 errors.  Or I make a move and then it acts like I didn't make a move and my opponent and I apparently get stuck and no one can move and it turns into a draw.  I'm surprised you're offering so much BTC reward for a program that has some major bugs.
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Nice game concept. There are very less games more are better.

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There are actually 3 themes on the site, depending what time it is in your local area.  You may have seen it change if you were on the site at 5:00pm, 7:00pm, or 7:00am.  The "sunset" theme at 5pm was hard to read.
Now it's fixed  Smiley
We also added a "How do I refer people?" link next to the referral leaderboard.

Thanks for the suggestions!
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scrolled to bottom, don't see the referral code.  so my feedback is, this might be why no one's getting referrals  Wink

edit: you can't see it due to the color of the background.  probably want to fix that Smiley

Good feedback - We'll add it to the leaderboard area so people can see it!

Thanks!
MooCoin
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scrolled to bottom, don't see the referral code.  so my feedback is, this might be why no one's getting referrals  Wink

edit: you can't see it due to the color of the background.  probably want to fix that Smiley
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Whenever I create a game it never starts for me(despite the fact I'm in it). Works fine when I join games other people created.

Can you email us at [email protected], and send us your public ID?  You can find your public ID by clicking the help button at the top of the screen.

Thanks!
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Whenever I create a game it never starts for me(despite the fact I'm in it). Works fine when I join games other people created.
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I love the site so far. Would be cool to see some more activity!
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Hi Everyone,

Do you think this is a cool concept, but wish there were more people on the site?  Help us out by upvoting our reddit link, or creating your own.
Also, remember you have a referral code that you can see by scrolling to the bottom of the MooCoin site!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1v73av/new_bitcoin_gaming_platform_create_your_own_games/

Thanks!
MooCoin
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I was on site and wait is too long for me no one available for game

how can I safe my account ?

Just bookmark your URL.  It contains your account ID.
If you already closed the tab, you can probably find the URL in your browser history.

Thanks!
MooCoin
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I was on site and wait is too long for me no one available for game

how can I safe my account ?
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Outstanding Looking Website Good Luck In Your Venture Smiley
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Sounds like a very fun tournament. I am looking forward to it.
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Welcome to the MooCoin Beta Tournament!
MooCoin is a new kind of Bitcoin game platform.  We give you Bitcoin for free, you play against others head-to-head, and the winner takes all! 

Some features:
  - Faucet that gives you Bitcoins to play for free
  - Two games to play, and more on the way
  - Referral network that pays you 10% of all fees from the people you refer
  - Open platform for developers.  Create new MooCoin games and collect a share of the revenue when people play
  - Leaderboards and tournaments
  - Mobile device support so you can play on the go


From now until January 23, we will be holding the MooCoin Beta Tournament.  Here are the rules:
  - MooCoin is running on the TestNet.  The faucet gives out TestNet coins, and you're welcome to deposit TestNet coins to your account to play bigger games.
  - At 11:59pm GMT on January 23, 2014 we will split 1.2 BTC into six pieces and give 0.2 BTC to each of the six leaders shown on the leaderboards. 
  - The six leaderboards are:  Most BTC won, most earned from referrals, best win ratio, best winning streak, worst losing streak, and most games played.
  - After the tournament, we will donate all TestNet coins back to various faucets.  MooCoin will then be switched over to the MainNet and the site will be officially open!
   
How do I play?
Just go to https://www.moocoin.com to get started!

We would also love to get feedback from you.  You can click the feedback button at the bottom right side of the page, or you can email us at [email protected]

Have fun! 
The MooCoin Team
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