147 killed in attack on Kenyan university dormitories by al-Shabab

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Quote from: twister on April 07, 2015, 08:50:22 AM

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Quote from: prodigy8 on April 07, 2015, 12:16:47 AM

What a tragedy... these people only are in school trying to learn and better their world.

Well you can also argue that all the Christians they have been killing have been doing no harm to other religions and are only following their own religion. But even then a lot of Christians have been murdered irrespective of them being a child or an adult.

Why is there any need to make an argument??
If Christians did the same thing in the past, does that mean this is justified?

Why is it that whenever there are attacks by Islamic groups, there are people defending their deeds by saying Christians did this this in the past? Why is this the only counter argument? Why can't they just say that this is wrong?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sorry if you misunderstood me. I mean an argument against the ISIS as well. I never said Christians did anything in the past. I meant that ISIS should not have a problem when some other person is following their own religion.

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Quote from: twister on April 07, 2015, 08:50:22 AM

Quote from: Twipple on April 07, 2015, 04:36:04 AM

Quote from: prodigy8 on April 07, 2015, 12:16:47 AM

What a tragedy... these people only are in school trying to learn and better their world.

Well you can also argue that all the Christians they have been killing have been doing no harm to other religions and are only following their own religion. But even then a lot of Christians have been murdered irrespective of them being a child or an adult.

Why is there any need to make an argument??
If Christians did the same thing in the past, does that mean this is justified?

Why is it that whenever there are attacks by Islamic groups, there are people defending their deeds by saying Christians did this this in the past? Why is this the only counter argument? Why can't they just say that this is wrong?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

It's not a justification or a defense when people point that out, but a reminder that all religions are the same, in case one religious group is trying to claim moral superiority to pass judgement on other religious groups.

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Quote from: twister on April 07, 2015, 02:53:14 AM

Quote from: nikona on April 06, 2015, 05:15:59 AM

I saw this photo online today, kind of really sad to see this. Don't open the link if you don't have the heart to: https://i.imgur.com/2XmPtn1.jpg . Disappointed in humanity.

Ahh...This is horrifying! Sad

Why do these people even call themselves humans, they're worse than animals.

I also wonder the same thing. And its not one person, but a lot of them equally being responsible and doing these acts of inhumanity.

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Quote from: Twipple on April 07, 2015, 04:36:04 AM

Quote from: prodigy8 on April 07, 2015, 12:16:47 AM

What a tragedy... these people only are in school trying to learn and better their world.

Well you can also argue that all the Christians they have been killing have been doing no harm to other religions and are only following their own religion. But even then a lot of Christians have been murdered irrespective of them being a child or an adult.

Why is there any need to make an argument??
If Christians did the same thing in the past, does that mean this is justified?

Why is it that whenever there are attacks by Islamic groups, there are people defending their deeds by saying Christians did this this in the past? Why is this the only counter argument? Why can't they just say that this is wrong?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Quote from: Twipple on April 07, 2015, 04:36:04 AM

Well you can also argue that all the Christians they have been killing have been doing no harm to other religions and are only following their own religion. But even then a lot of Christians have been murdered irrespective of them being a child or an adult.

Suddenly Christians have become saints? In the past 500 years, Christian religious fanaticism have claimed 100 times more victims than that by any other religion. Almost 90% of the pre-Colombian population of the Americas were wiped out by the Spanish and Portuguese, who considered non-Christians as less than human.

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Quote from: prodigy8 on April 07, 2015, 12:16:47 AM

What a tragedy... these people only are in school trying to learn and better their world.

Well you can also argue that all the Christians they have been killing have been doing no harm to other religions and are only following their own religion. But even then a lot of Christians have been murdered irrespective of them being a child or an adult.

Quote from: nikona on April 06, 2015, 05:15:59 AM

I saw this photo online today, kind of really sad to see this. Don't open the link if you don't have the heart to: https://i.imgur.com/2XmPtn1.jpg . Disappointed in humanity.

Thats definitely sad, unfortunately a lot of earlier massacres have been equally bad or worse.

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Quote from: nikona on April 06, 2015, 05:15:59 AM

I saw this photo online today, kind of really sad to see this. Don't open the link if you don't have the heart to: https://i.imgur.com/2XmPtn1.jpg . Disappointed in humanity.

Ahh...This is horrifying! Sad

Why do these people even call themselves humans, they're worse than animals.

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What a tragedy... these people only are in school trying to learn and better their world.

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^^^^ This $1.6 billion figure is the amount of legal remittances. 80% to 90% of the remittances to Somalia are illegal, done through various means. The true figure might be around $10 billion per year.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 05, 2015, 09:20:25 AM

Quote from: countryfree on April 05, 2015, 07:53:17 AM

OK, thanks. I think piracy is down thanks to increased security with more international patrol boats. So that leaves remittance, but I don't expect this to be large. It isn't like ISIS which started with the backing from some guys with big money in the Gulf.

The Somali dispora is one of the largest in the world, with more than a million ethnic Somalis living in Western Europe and North America. There are a lot of them in the Middle East as well. Annual remittances to Somalia are worth many billions of USD.

Total remittances to Somalia are estimated to be $1.6 Bn annually, with ~$200 Mn coming from the US. Seems like that is not going smoothly either.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31168615
Somalia has criticised a move by a US bank to close accounts of money transfer companies, warning it could create a dangerous black market.
Merchants Bank of California handles about 80% of money transfers - remittances - from the US to Somalia, worth about $200m (£131m) annually.
But it announced on Thursday that it had to withdraw its services due to new money-laundering regulations
Regulators are concerned that money is being funnelled to extremists.

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Quote from: redsn0w on April 05, 2015, 09:41:06 AM

One of the four gunmen who carried out the attack has been identified as the son of a government official, the interior ministry has said.

Wonderful... this lowlife lived a life of luxury thanks to the tax payers of Kenya. And in the end he decided that he is going to pay them back by mowing down 150 people.

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I saw this photo online today, kind of really sad to see this. Don't open the link if you don't have the heart to: https://i.imgur.com/2XmPtn1.jpg . Disappointed in humanity.

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Kenya is holding three days of mourning for the 148 (147?) victims of an attack on students by militant group al-Shabab.

President Uhuru Kenyatta has vowed to respond to the attack "in the severest way possible". One of the four gunmen who carried out the attack has been identified as the son of a government official, the interior ministry has said. He was named as Abdirahim Abdullahi, whose father is a local chief in Mandera County in the north-east of the country.

"The father had reported to security agents that his son had disappeared from home... and was helping the police try to trace his son by the time the Garissa terror attack happened," ministry spokesman Mwenda Njoka said. Abdullahi studied law in Nairobi and was an "upcoming lawyer", Mr Njoka added.

More at: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32187891

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Quote from: countryfree on April 05, 2015, 07:53:17 AM

OK, thanks. I think piracy is down thanks to increased security with more international patrol boats. So that leaves remittance, but I don't expect this to be large. It isn't like ISIS which started with the backing from some guys with big money in the Gulf.

The Somali dispora is one of the largest in the world, with more than a million ethnic Somalis living in Western Europe and North America. There are a lot of them in the Middle East as well. Annual remittances to Somalia are worth many billions of USD.

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Quote from: countryfree on April 04, 2015, 03:06:59 PM

Regarding that al-shabab group, does anyone know how they're funded? They've been active for a while, so they've got to have some money-making organization behind them.

They have multiple sources of financing. Some of their funds come from Somali pirates. Some of it comes in the form of commissions levied on remittances from abroad.

OK, thanks. I think piracy is down thanks to increased security with more international patrol boats. So that leaves remittance, but I don't expect this to be large. It isn't like ISIS which started with the backing from some guys with big money in the Gulf.

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Quote from: countryfree on April 04, 2015, 03:06:59 PM

I really doubt there has been a single period where Africa was a peaceful place. There are hundreds of different ethnic groups and they all have been fighting each other for centuries. Pretty much like the British have been at war many times with the French. In today's Ethiopia, the kingdom of Aksum was at war with the kingdom of Kush several centuries BC.

Warfare always existed in every single nook and corner of the world, including Africa. But Africa as a whole, was a peaceful place where different ethnic groups lived without any problem.

Quote from: countryfree on April 04, 2015, 03:06:59 PM

Regarding that al-shabab group, does anyone know how they're funded? They've been active for a while, so they've got to have some money-making organization behind them.

They have multiple sources of financing. Some of their funds come from Somali pirates. Some of it comes in the form of commissions levied on remittances from abroad.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 03, 2015, 11:42:52 PM

Before Islam and Christianity conquered Africa, it was a peaceful place. Now we have people killing each other in both Muslim nations (such as Nigeria and Sudan) as well as Christian states (such as Rwanda).

I really doubt there has been a single period where Africa was a peaceful place. There are hundreds of different ethnic groups and they all have been fighting each other for centuries. Pretty much like the British have been at war many times with the French. In today's Ethiopia, the kingdom of Aksum was at war with the kingdom of Kush several centuries BC.

Regarding that al-shabab group, does anyone know how they're funded? They've been active for a while, so they've got to have some money-making organization behind them.

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Quote from: twister on April 04, 2015, 05:18:00 AM

I don't get it either.
Killing innocent children in the name of God.
So much for the "Religion of Peace"

What about similar killings by Christian sects? Have you ever heard about the Lord's Resistance Army of Uganda, which is headed by Joseph Kony? IMO, Africa will be a much better place if the Christian and Muslim sects stop their conversion of the local population.

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Quote from: Aggressor66 on April 03, 2015, 11:03:38 AM

Terrible. My prayers go out to family and friends.
I don't understand killing God's children in the name of religion.
I especially don't understand Africans killing Africa in the name of an Arab religion.

I don't get it either.
Killing innocent children in the name of God.
So much for the "Religion of Peace"

Because these distorted individuals know that if they kill many non-believers they would be rewarded greatly in paradise

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/call_to_muslims.htm

I live in a country where both Christians and Islam are in together and we're still at war. Also ISIS decides to train our muslim brothers, so terrorism increased greatly in our country.

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RIP 147

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Quote from: twister on April 04, 2015, 05:18:00 AM

Quote from: Aggressor66 on April 03, 2015, 11:03:38 AM

Terrible. My prayers go out to family and friends.
I don't understand killing God's children in the name of religion.
I especially don't understand Africans killing Africa in the name of an Arab religion.

I don't get it either.
Killing innocent children in the name of God.
So much for the "Religion of Peace"

Terrible tragedy, I can only hope for their healing and for this madness to stop.

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Quote from: Aggressor66 on April 03, 2015, 11:03:38 AM

Terrible. My prayers go out to family and friends.
I don't understand killing God's children in the name of religion.
I especially don't understand Africans killing Africa in the name of an Arab religion.

I don't get it either.
Killing innocent children in the name of God.
So much for the "Religion of Peace"

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Before Islam and Christianity conquered Africa, it was a peaceful place. Now we have people killing each other in both Muslim nations (such as Nigeria and Sudan) as well as Christian states (such as Rwanda).

That said, the root cause of this particular attack is the drawing of colonial borders. Kenya contains large areas inhabited by ethnic Somalis, which are near 100% Muslim. These people don't want to live in a Christian majority state. Al Shabab is having a lot of sympathizers in these regions.

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Quote from: CoolRunnings21 on April 03, 2015, 04:15:22 PM

The religion of peace.

~~Islam~~ Religion is such a poison it isnt even funny.

FTFY

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Nenávist má sestru, to je závist.

The religion of peace.

Islam is such a poison it isnt even funny.

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Quote from: erpbridge on April 03, 2015, 04:37:43 AM

Quote from: rosh on April 03, 2015, 02:46:39 AM

The list of countries where such attacks are carried out seem to be increasing.
There seem to be no "safe" countries. Sad

Crime rates in Africa have been high from a long time. But its disappointing to see they targetted students in this attack. This seems to be the second attack in one year time period, after Westgate shopping mall being the first.
Even though the militant activity seems to have reduced, there are still making potential threats with these kinds of attacks.

Most of the Africa yes, but if you read some of the interviews, then you will see this was a place which was very less likely to be hit by a terrorist attack, and people actually moved from neighboring places to here for university and other jobs.
But instead this was the place which got hit.

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Quote from: GREEDYJOHN on April 03, 2015, 04:55:32 AM

Quote from: erpbridge on April 03, 2015, 04:37:43 AM

Quote from: rosh on April 03, 2015, 02:46:39 AM

The list of countries where such attacks are carried out seem to be increasing.
There seem to be no "safe" countries. Sad

Crime rates in Africa have been high from a long time. But its disappointing to see they targetted students in this attack. This seems to be the second attack in one year time period, after Westgate shopping mall being the first.
Even though the militant activity seems to have reduced, there are still making potential threats with these kinds of attacks.

Kenya is one of the peaceful places in this world. It just shows you that this terrorism can pop up anywhere.

It's reported they targeted Kenya in response to Kenyan troops being used in the African Union mission targeting militants in Somalia.

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Terrible. My prayers go out to family and friends.
I don't understand killing God's children in the name of religion.
I especially don't understand Africans killing Africa in the name of an Arab religion.

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Quote from: GREEDYJOHN on April 03, 2015, 04:55:32 AM

Kenya is one of the peaceful places in this world. It just shows you that this terrorism can pop up anywhere.

Kenya seems to be one of the countries in the Islam-Christian border of Africa. Nigeria seems to have borne the brunt of Islamic terrorism, but Kenya isn't too far away,

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Quote from: erpbridge on April 03, 2015, 04:37:43 AM

Quote from: rosh on April 03, 2015, 02:46:39 AM

The list of countries where such attacks are carried out seem to be increasing.
There seem to be no "safe" countries. Sad

Crime rates in Africa have been high from a long time. But its disappointing to see they targetted students in this attack. This seems to be the second attack in one year time period, after Westgate shopping mall being the first.
Even though the militant activity seems to have reduced, there are still making potential threats with these kinds of attacks.

Kenya is one of the peaceful places in this world. It just shows you that this terrorism can pop up anywhere.

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Quote from: rosh on April 03, 2015, 02:46:39 AM

The list of countries where such attacks are carried out seem to be increasing.
There seem to be no "safe" countries. Sad

Crime rates in Africa have been high from a long time. But its disappointing to see they targetted students in this attack. This seems to be the second attack in one year time period, after Westgate shopping mall being the first.
Even though the militant activity seems to have reduced, there are still making potential threats with these kinds of attacks.

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The list of countries where such attacks are carried out seem to be increasing.
There seem to be no "safe" countries. Sad

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Another senseless tragedy. When I was younger, I used to "look forward" to the day when things like this no longer happened, believing that as a species we were ever moving towards collective peace. The more I see of the world, the more I realize this will never end. Violence begets violence, and we're too stupid to stop the cycle. Terrorists think if they kill enough people, governments will give them what they want, and governments think if they kill enough terrorists, there will be peace: the snake that eats its own tail.

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NAIROBI — Masked al-Shabab militants stormed dormitories at a university in northeastern Kenya early Thursday, killing at least 147 people in the worst terror attack on Kenyan soil in nearly two decades, officials said.

Its being termed as the worst attack of the last 2 decades.

Read more here : http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/70-killed-hundreds-rescued-after-kenya-university-attack-by-al-shabab-militants/2015/04/02/0c554516-d951-11e4-ba28-f2a685dc7f89_story.html

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