Topic: 2 questions to slot players (Read 328 times)

Got enough input and still people think it is normal to keep spinning 1000 spins in consecutive sessions and not getting a bonus is how slot works. If that was the case no one would be playing slots at all as people are not idiots but only Pragmatic Play can do this and get away with this, I have played Hacksaw, Nolimit, Play n Go and Massive Studios and all have hit a bonus within few than 1000 spins. No need to be an expert in mathematic, you just need to be an expert in reading your data in front of you which anyone with a sane brain can do.

This type of slot gambling is indeed very related to luck, even it is closely related because it is true what you said, this type of game is not programmed, but previously the dealer must have arranged everything to make him succeed in getting more profit than his players, therefore many people who experience defeat become something that is normal, I once got x500 and that was only once during my gambling.

another ridiculous thing is that there are people who believe that the strategy they have can make it easy to win, in my opinion it will not work as smoothly as what is thought, the strategy they have is like encouragement for themselves to be more confident in gambling.

I never try to play slot games for more than 1000 spins because usually I only use 100-200 spins. If I do not get a free spin from the slot games and only lose the money, I will not try to play for more. I know that can make me lose more because I've been there before so continuing to use normal spin will be bad for me. I think someone can beat you playing using normal spins for 1000 spins or more but that will depend on their money. But still, it would not be a good idea to do the same as you.

For me, I will not risk my money to play slot for longer as you because I can handle myself if I lose too much money even if I use smallest bet. Besides that, I don't play slot games for too long and don't use too much money because I know the risk of doing that.

Every gambler that is playing slot game or most games for that matter should have in mind about the house edge factor, you as s gambler is not supposed to be more profitable than the casino. So with this analysis in mind you shouldn't expect to be winning against the house when you're on a slot game, winnings can happen occasionally so you'd be happy but the idea is for you to lose your money. I've decided to gamble mainly for fun, not really to make money so I've taken gambling as an expensive entertainment because I'm not expecting to win. If wins happen I'll be happy and take it, but if it doesn't I'll move on, that's it for me.

I didn't track my gambling session, but I usually play like 100-200x spins. Sometime I hit the bonus, sometime not, but having 1000x spins and never hit any bonus seems to be terrible.

I never play slots so that long, whenever I get bored by playing slots, I switch to other games.

Nevertheless, I hope this might be the last thread you discuss about pragmatic play slots on Stake, you have been saying pragmatic play on Stake sucks, but I don't know why you're keep playing.

You are hardly an expert in mathematical probability theory. You are also hardly an expert in slot machine programming. How can you audit Pragmatic Play with such input data?

And no one here can probably conduct such an audit. I can’t even say for sure what you are dealing with – a long period of bad luck or malicious intent. In any case, there are many online casinos that guarantee you fair play.

So it is probably wise to focus on these online casinos and use them for playing. I think then your win and loss statistics will be completely different.

I don't keep track of my failures in gambling, since I always use small amount of money and never chase any type of big wins, I have lost several amounts but I don't care because the money isn't a lot, but I do remember that I have lost many rounds in slot games to the point that I don't longer expect winnings again, I get used to losing.

If slot is something you like to engage in then lower your expectations and also the amount of money you risk on slots games, you've made mention of pragmatic, and you aren't the only one that hates this provider, why not avoid them? Try other slots games provider instead, slot game isn't something anyone should play with expectations of winning soon, it can take very long time.

Don't worry I am sure there is always someone who thinks they are the unluckiest person in the world, but they do not know the situation of others that may probably be thinking that they are also the unluckiest person in the world. Maybe they are just not in the same space as you hence you don't hear anything from them. Maybe they are not here in the forum and etc.
Winning again will make you realize how fun it truly is to play and you will forget about every single time you lost. It is not exactly about money but the entertainment it brings will give you the courage and motivation to keep playing.

Slots are a random luck game. You don't wanna sit there and keep spinning a slot thinking that a bonus has to hit. Spin 50 spins and if no bonus move on to another slot and keep repeating. A slot is not programmed to hit a bonus after x spins, they just hit when they hit. On average you will hit a bonus every xxx spins, but noone knows what that number is exactly. You spin a slot 1000 times, by the time you hit the bonus you'll likely be down 500x on the spinning and a bonus wouldn't get you even in most cases. So, avoid that strat.

After reading this thread, I am once again convinced that I am doing the right thing, fundamentally ignoring slots. It turns out that there may also be a corrected random... Well, that's not why I don't like slots, but because it's a very boring game in which there is no interest, well, no excitement either. Just blunt rotation many times. Much worse than roulette. However, this is a subjective opinion that many may not share. Someone likes to play it. Everyone has their own preferences.

1. I think in slots and such pragmatic play it's a 50/50 chances and you get the opposite of your intentions for that particular game, majorly I see slot providers as being so timid to a point of setting some little baits for making users feel they have all it takes to win while playing and again I don't find this amusing having giving myself courage to keep playing after all and mind you slots games are turndown.

If you consider it fraudulent provider scheme why still try it and play in slot games for pragmatic providers?
Everyone must have experienced bad luck even much worse than what you experienced, but this is casino game which is also gambling game and should realize that gambling has much higher percentage of defeat than victory, moreover, bonuses will not provide any guarantee and it is better to enjoy the game for fun.
I used to be crazy person with slot games but got lot of defeats and never considered it fraud because I got satisfaction and pleasure until I realized what real gambling performance was, if you want to be more likely to see opportunities then just choose sports betting not slot games.

Before anyone can answer this factually, Provide your worst record to compared to others. I hate Pragmatic Play no matter what casino I play because it’s very hard to win a significant multiplier while dead spins is too frequent. Also you should pay attention the umbrella company who developed the slot games from PP, there’s multiple umbrella providers that listed under PP that has sucks hit ratio and volatility.


After watching or reasing some post that they won huge amount from slot games. 

I'm not sure if that's the wold record, i don't think 1000 spins is a lot, we are talking about 10 times 100 spins in auto, that could happen to anyone in slots like Wanted, but we all know HackSaw us different than pragmatic.

I have the same feeling that you, until we hit that wall in gambling we decide to walk away, i used to enjoy a slot called Nitropolis 4 from ELK, but now I'm sure it's a scam, so, better stay away from it. We had to learn by the hard way, I'm sorry my friend, this lessons aren't easy at all.

Most likely, this is true. Some game providers are scammers. But it is very difficult to prove and I have never come across a bona fide scientific study dedicated to the honesty of game providers. If we look at the code of these games, we will most likely find some mechanics there that make winnings happen less often. On the other hand, it is not entirely clear what the average occurrence of winning should be, for example, per 1000 spins. In any case, I do not know of any legislation that would regulate this. But the author of the topic is conducting an interesting study.

slot games in my opinion are not games. because everything is set by the system. even those who are very familiar with programming algorithms will not be able to win from this game. because the algorithm has been changed in such a way that no one can win much. that's why I myself have stayed away from this game. even though I get a bonus from the provider, I definitely switch to other games.

different from other gambling games. especially offline gambling. where luck and strategy can still be used.

1000 spins with no hit bonus? That's really bad luck. I don't know how much to lose in this Pragmatic provider which is clearly not more than 1000 spins to try to get more hit opportunities, after knowing this failed not winning bonus hit I better stop or take a break.

Ever tried at Gate of Olympus, kept trying every session with courage despite not finding the desired hit bonus, sometimes slots always suck.

Pragmatic Play is one of the provider that is not easy to win whether you use big money or small money. Only luck that can help you to win in that slot from Pragmatic Play although all slot provider also need luck to win. I am not sure if someone can beat the world record of bad luck that you hold in slot machines but if they think they want to do the same experiment as you, they will do that and will see the outcome.

I do not have the courage to still playing gambling longer especially if I already see some losses come to me. I will stop gambling immediately and never look back or tempting to play the other slot games. It is better to save my money than to use it for playing gambling because I have another time just to gambling.

For me, playing slots sometimes wins, but mostly I get lost all my capital. I usually play one of the pragmatic games called Sweet Bonanza; that is one of the trending slot games here in my country. I win big sometimes and immediately withdraw them, but after going back to play this game, I keep losing. I feel like they're taking back what I won before.
So for your first question, I can't beat what you just did in slot games. Regarding your second question, honestly, even if I lose, I still occasionally play those games; even if I have bad luck, I gamble for fun with my friends; playing the slots alone is quite boring.

1. Could it be because the money was from the bonus? Not deposited, am I right? Yes, I think someone else can beat you from that bad luck record of yours. Although I have not experienced the same thing as yours, I have my share of bad luck too like 300 spins without a bonus round or any high multiplier from the normal spins. Well, I understand that because I came from the win and I just withdrew some money. Still, I always like to think that gamblers can be given a chance to win again after a win. However, it was tested and proven that this cannot happen.

2. Don't find the courage. If you are tired of all the BS in slots then don't play. If you are not enjoying it, stop it. That's what I did and I was thankful I did because I have more time to do something productive now. I know in your mind you want your revenge but it won't work.

It may not really have to be on slot games alone, but just know that terrible and amazing things happens at any time to gamblers, this can depend on the game involved, the risk taken and the management proceedings adopted by us towards what we are running after gambling.


Motivation can comes in form anywhere, if there is no any reason for us to gamble, then we will always have the one to have fun and uses such to gamble, that is why we keep getting some gamblers always on top of the game more often because they are always gambling and they need that to keep them busy, entertained or for any of their personal reason.

This seems to be a basic thing that is always experienced by slot players because in the end even though there are some improvements that are owned from the increase in luck in the bet in the end it will all run out in time
In a few months ago when I was active in slot games, I felt something like this where indeed this is a situation that seems natural because in the end almost all slot players have felt the same way.

In this case I will not dare to say that this is a scam because after all we must realize that every game in the match the chances of winning are only 1 compared to several times the defeat which means that the number of defeats will be far more than the victory that is owned especially in slot games which this is pure luck that can be used as a benchmark.
I now prefer other games compared to Slot because although this game presents a very good visual to enjoy when playing in the end the risk of losing money faster is also higher in this game.

You just never know mate, there could be gamblers really losing big money in a slot machine. I know we say that we enjoy the rush on playing your favorite games, but at the end of the day, you will still be in the negative and unlucky. Different people have different luck.


Yes, I know that sounds illogical, but that is the mindset of gamblers, even if we are still losing, we might have  the reasoning that one day you gonna hit and hit it big with that slot games. And so you continue to deposit and chase that "dream".

I have been there too my friend, so I completely understand how painful and stressful it can be. Personally, I believe it's time for you to take a break from slots or even all forms of gambling at least until you feel that you totally regained control over how much time and money you are spending on it. It sounds like these experiences are giving you lessons and stepping back might help you reset your mindset.

Frankly, slots are designed to keep you hooked by making it feel like your hits are so close to a big win, even when keep losing. Just like Pragmatic Play and like many other providers, uses algorithms that can make the game feel unfair especially when you hit a long streak of losses. It’s easy to fall into the trap of believing that the next spin might finally hit a good jackpot. Honestly, I know well how tempting that hope can be.

As for your questions:

1_ I can assure you that you are not alone in this feeling or situation. Many players like me before all we go through bad losing streaks and it often has nothing to do with luck but the nature of slots themselves. You have to understand they are designed to pay out just enough to keep you playing.

2_ After sessions like this it's understandable to question why you keep going. For many it’s a mix of chasing that one big win or trying to recover losses. But in reality it leads to more losses. It’s tine to recognize these things and stepping away.

You already made a strong decision before to stop, and that shows a good self awareness. Consider this a reminder that your well being is more important than any big win. Taking a break might be the best move for you right now as you have got nothing to prove and you definitely not alone in this struggle as myself also I struggled a lot lately..

If you know your odds why are you so surprised? You ran into a bad streak, it happens to all of us... I lost countless deposits on buying normal and super bonuses from different providers.


It's your subjective feeling... and if it's very disturbing for you then it would be wise for you to stop gambling for a while, maybe forever it's affecting your mental health so much.

Your results are yours, you tested your luck and you lost. While we losing some people are winning! I never won max payout on any Pragmatic slots, while some people have many max wins on different slots from the same provider, and it's not like I am not trying from time to time... I won so many bonuses from normal spins, I bought so many normal bonuses, and from time to time I buy only super bonuses. Eh... maybe one day! Who knows?

most likely yes, incidents like this are inevitable to happen.

every person have different kind of motivation for their gambling activities so the answer can be different from each person. for example, I gamble with money I can afford to lose so I would just move on don't take it to heart since things like this are inevitable and then gamble again with money I can affor to lose if I feel like it.

Slot games is not a means of making money for some of us who have to the realization, personally, I came to believe that slot games were designed for gamblers to just have fun with, and not a means of getting good winnings which one can translate to profit, I learned this and today, I enjoy playing Slot games more than ever before.

I no longer play slot games as frequently as before because the purpose of playing it have changed, I am now a seasonal/occasional slot player who only will play when I really want to have some fun with it, at this point, what I will loose doesnt matter since I am playing to just have fun.

And when it comes to making money off gambling, sports betting is where I go to, slot is favorable to and for most gamblers, only people with extreme level of luck come out from slot games profitable.
So, In order for me not to always feel very disappointed and angry after a round on slot, I simply changed the purpose to which I play slot game.

So in conclusion, fun is the motivation for me, expecting to make money from slot games is a waste of time, so, I allow fun to motivate me to play but not frequently like I said before.

Friend, that is a very common occurrence experienced by most gamblers who make slots their favorite game, but on the other hand, it is good if that incident makes you feel discouraged and want to stop gambling forever because the real victory is when you stop completely. Honestly, I have also experienced an incident like what you experienced, namely going through lots of normal rounds but never getting a free spin bonus until all the money I brought was gone, and that often happens.

So if for example we talk about the type of casino game like slots, then I think it is a normal occurrence, simply if for example you experience a disappointing incident like that, it means that you are indeed far from what is called luck, therefore from the start we should not have any hopes.

1. Sadly yeah, as slots can be cruel especially the highly volatile types.

2. If I did pretty shitty in a certain game or series of games from the same provider, I'm more likely to just stay away from the said game or provider than quit slots as a whole lol. There's this mentality that other slot game or provider might serve me better lol. TBH, I actually had a losing streak in pragmatic play slots so I've barely touched them games last several months.

After some time has passed, I also feel less shitty about it.

Most gamblers are not aware of their bad luck streaks in slots because they keep on playing without looking at the results of every bet. But surely, there are people who have the same outcome. Do take note that only few people can hit good winnings in slots, so high likely that most are suffering losses after losses.

If you still have extra funds, the tendency is to play again and again hoping that you will hit your jackpot. That's the usual mentality of a gambler. What if I stop, and the next one is my lucky bet? But sad to say, most of the time, you will just screw up your vault if you don't know when to stop.

I just wanted to confirm my doubts and this was definitely it, I have no other information to share from Pragmatic Play provider, they are the most absolute scam I have ever encountered in slot machines. When I used to play Play n Go my initial favorite provider never have I gone in more than 550 spins without a bonus so there is definitely something fishy with Pragmatic, the only reason I started to like them initially was their ability to buy the bonus game and try to go for the max win directly. I will never again play slot machines yet if I happened to do so I will make sure I play real providers like Play n Go which it is super extremely rare to go 1000 spins without a bonus game, in fact I have played them for some years from 2019 to early 2023 and never have experienced a 1000 spins without a bonus in any of their games, their average is in general 1 bonus in 200-300 spins.

It's not stupidity, it's the definition of insanity to do the same thing again and again expecting different results. You might have identified a pattern that it at odds with their stated claim of a certain win percentage ratio, if that's what you're trying to suggest, but you've paid so much money to them for the privilege. You are never going to win long term in slots, it's the biggest effort in futility, but you don't seem to be awake to this realization so far? If you enjoy the slot games for what they are, a form of entertainment that is not going to make you rich, then keep on playing.. but acting like you have discovered just now that they don't pay out is ridiculous because every casino is upfront about this from the beginning - they simply have no need to lie, it is the nature of the game.

I was about to ask you if you have played in physical casinos, because I didn't experience or at least I have a good win on playing on them as compare to online. From my experience losing big money in online, like playing capital of $500-$600 just for slots playing max bet at times but not giving anything. But when I have that kind of capital in a land base casinos, I know my chances that I can hit big, even with just $25.

Yeah, it could be randomness, but it could really be worse in online. That's why I'm not that confident anymore to play slots in online and just play my regular other favorite games like baccarat or even Evolution's Lightning Roulette.

I'm curious if there is any information on what the average ratio of bonus spins to total spins should be? Like 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 etc.? As I understand it, a bonus is not a very common thing, so abnormal series without bonuses are not actually anomalies, but statistically inevitable phenomena.
As for your other comments, they seem illogical - why spend money on something you consider a scam, I don't understand it.

It is normal for slots to be a game that will disappoint its fans if they are truly chasing wins. Slots are just an easy game that doesn't rely on any strategy in my opinion, but you can leave the session and switch to another session or game if you don't get anything in 100 or so spins.

It is clear that there are many slot players out there who are ruined and bankrupt because they are chasing victory. There is very little chance of someone getting rich on slots even if they have been playing for years, so slots are never suitable as a place to make easy money. In fact, it is hoped that gamblers will not use gambling as a place to make money, but gambling is a game that should bring joy.

Yes, it can also happen in a slot game, there is a possibility that it is tantrum or even an error system, it can happen to the slot machine that we turn, it is very difficult to confirm it that we are in that atmosphere.

But I have never experienced such things in my gambling, maybe I still play pretty well and meet a safe and fair casino so that I don't get such bad experiences as long as I play slots on various casinos that I have visited.

You might be surprised to find that there are people out there who lost more than the record you currently hold - I don’t hope to beat you since it isn’t a good thing if it was record of “good luck” then I’ll be more interested but since it is the other way around I don’t even want to start thinking of how many times I’ll have to loss to beat that record.



Keep playing? Hell no - I don’t even have to wait to lost half of that money before I switch to a different game provider to try out their game, I’m not the type that just sticks to one provider just because I like their game, I tend to switch from one to another so as to get a feel of how others works so there’s a high chance that I won’t get close to your loses before I quit or switch (but I’m more likely to quit though).

There's no need to say this is a record of bad luck. It's all within the scope of feasibility.
And bear in mind that slot machine spins are not provable. Which means that the provider needs to be trusted for the randomness. But if it was provably fair you would know the results are pre-determined.
 
Instead for slots you trust a third party provider for "randomness". So perhaps it has nothing to do with luck but maybe a provider actually fiddling with results to increase their profits.

1.. You'd be surprised that there are many more people out there than you with poor slot performance. To paraphrase someone on doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Change casinos. I had one of my greatest slot experience playing at Livecasino. Check it out.

2. The courage to keep playing is the same as the courage to stop playing and take a break if I have experience consistent losses in.a roll. Take a break, you'll appreciate yourself that you did.

as others have said here, this is completely normal with slots, you will lose more than you will win. every time i play slots, i do it for fun while expecting to lose my entire balance.
if you do the math, you will find that the results from your session are well within the expected, you are a long way from any world record.


you don't, you call it a day and stop. if you no longer having fun, you stop. always play for fun not for wins.

can you still pay 400 idr per spin I think the minimum spin is 800 idr.
It's common in my opinion, it's just you're unlucky, even I use more money than the money you use for slot games, usually when I've done 100 spins without a bonus hit I will move to another game, it's the best way to try your luck.

I've experienced that in Starlight Princes but I immediately switched to Gate Olympus and there is a little luck for the capital that has been lost with the same scheme as you experienced.

Well, I am very much aware of that and the reason I am asking is did someone had lost sessions without a winning one compared to me from January 4 2024 up until now, I doubt anyone has done worse although the amounts I am smart enough to not play huge ones as I know the odds of me winning against the casino are 1:1000000 before I start my session. I also love some slots, I stopped playing for real and maybe this is a sign happening only to me that I should quit playing slots and gambling in general. That is the worse it can happen to anyone, playing no matter how much and having no guarantees of hitting the bonus, I can understand some extreme rare cases, yet when it happens in consecutive ways this is very disturbing to say the least and that is why I wanted to share the results.

Maybe you hold the record for the most lost bonuses in a row, but we can't verify that. And you're certainly not the biggest loser, some others lose much more than all of us here combined... In any case, this is not the category in which we should compete.

I play because I love some slots... I stopped playing Hacksaw a long time ago, but recently I started playing this provider again, and actually, I had some great wins. I don't see any courage in that, we simply decide (for whatever reason) to try again.

So a few days ago I went degen mode with Sugar Rush 1000. I bought 4 Super Bonuses, 3 from $100 ($0.2 bet) and 1 from $200 ($0.4 bet)... a complete disaster, my +$400 turned into +$30 in less than 5 minutes. All of them gave me around x10... so you do the math.

In any case, it's not like I didn't experience similar with all the other providers that I like to play. Shit happens, and nobody can give you any guarantees that you will hit something big no matter how much you play.

1. Answer-It is not just that game, any other game from Pragmatic is the same, they are a scam, I just want to prove it over and over as it is just bonus money so I don't give the slightest f*ck of how it is lost, just want to expose them. Extremely improbable yes but not in a row, only few times, in here they happen every f*cking time.

2.Answer-No I have not lost in that game only, in many other Pragmatic games and this provider should be banned as the same is going on in this provider games since January 4 2024 the last date when I won something from playing them. Just losing my bonus amount to them in order to reinforce my view that I made the correct decision to quit playing slot machines.

I have a question for you. Are you a freak? What are you doing playing a game that you consider a scam?


I have long since realized that bad runs, improbable events or series of events eventually happen. And the extremely improbable ones too.


I refer you to my first question. Have you lost $1,300 in 20 days playing a game that you consider a scam? What are you doing playing over and over again?

Best to avoid the trap of chasing a jackpot win. That takes out all the fun from gambling and almost always guarantees you lose money overtime and that increases the desire to win big.

Yes, most streamers use fake money or get fake wins to lure viewers to try for a turn.

- Jay -

No. I was experimenting with bonus money never dreaming of a max win from some time now, as I have managed to finally quit slots for good I would say, I am not pissed off like I would be if it was my money even if this is low amount of money in total, like 7 dollars it means a lot in regarding this. Many slot players I asked at Stake chat where I was playing told me this is normal and this is what randomness is all about, they are wrong as randomness can happen to have sometimes really bad sessions like this one but not always and nowadays to me is happening always that is why I asked these two questions, in normal life it never happens every time a worse session than the previous one, at least in physical casinos it never happened to me, most probably because it is much easier to mess with RTP in online platforms.

Man, this is very common if the user answering your question is a real slot player. This situation is pretty normal in slot games; it doesn't happen only to you. Yeah, I've told myself too many times not to play slots, but I don't know why I keep playing slot. I guess the main reason is that I'm hoping for a max win, probably because of watching some paid streamers using fake or sponsored money, I guess you too. Right?

I was trying an experiment again with Pragmatic Play as always as for me is the biggest scam provider in almost every where I have played them with Stake casino keep the record of empty spins without a bonus hit. In this experiment I played normal spins, not buying the bonus and even in more than 1000 spins played 0 bonus hit, for me that is enough reason to stop forever and I have already done it some months ago, this money was the bonus I got and decided to throw it at that, 400 IDR was about 80% of the spins and the last 20% was 800 IDR per spin, initial balance was 102.000 IDR.

Now the questions are

1. Can someone beat the world record of bad luck which I proudly hold in slot machines ?
2. Why and where to you find the courage to keep playing after such type of devastating sessions?