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Topic: [2015-04-15] Liberland new country in Europe links to Bitcoin (Read 1431 times)

legendary
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After reading the article, Liberland probably has a greater chance of surviving since the land isn't claimed by any existing country but I wouldn't be surprised if either Serbia or Croatia change their minds and decide to annex it for themselves if it is ever developed into anything significant or economically valuable.

The Liberland situation is complex. Croatia is refusing to administer the region, which according to the international law is falling within its boundary. They are arguing that they should be given a larger chunk of the neighboring land (currently being administered by Serbia) in exchange for this portion. Serbia refuses. Reminds me of the Bir Tawil situation.
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The same logic is applicable to the Republic of Minerva as well.

The islands were originally submerged in the middle of the ocean and in international waters. It wasn't until the micronation was formally established that Tonga decided to invade. Later on, Fiji and Tonga argued over who would own the islands:

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In 1972, the Las Vegas millionaire Michael Oliver founded his own anarcho-libertarian nation at the Minerva reefs in the Pacific ocean. The reefs were at the time submerged, and in international waters. Oliver was dreaming about a nation without any governmental interference at all; no taxation, policing, social support systems or any element of control. Barges were loaded with sand from Australia and dumped on the reefs, until they penetrated the surface and became land mass. Oliver then wrote the neighbouring nations, declaring that a new independent nation was born; The republic of Minerva. This declaration was viewed with suspicion from the neighbours, who convened behind the back of the Minervians, and declared the reef to be a part of Tonga. Tonga invaded the nation and forced Oliver of the land. As of today, the national identity of the Minerva reefs is still being debated.

Link: http://burningland.org/micronations-what-and-why/

After reading the article, Liberland probably has a greater chance of surviving since the land isn't claimed by any existing country but I wouldn't be surprised if either Serbia or Croatia change their minds and decide to annex it for themselves if it is ever developed into anything significant or economically valuable.
legendary
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Unfortunately, micronations have a history of being bullied by surrounding larger nations which see them as a threat or a nuisance

There were valid reasons. In the case of the Republic of Rose Island, the micronation was located inside the Italian Exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and therefore it was easy for Italy to justify its aggression. The same logic is applicable to the Republic of Minerva as well.
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Unfortunately, micronations have a history of being bullied by surrounding larger nations which see them as a threat or a nuisance:

If adopted, this land will immediately have millions of citizen  Cheesy

Could you please explain how that will happen? There are only one million or so Bitcoin users around the world. Out of that less than 1,000 can be considered as having more than 1K coins. Of that, may be 1% or 2% might be willing to move to the new country. That means no more than a dozen or two will move to Liberland.

Not to mention that land area (3 sq mi) won't be able to hold more than a few thousand people anyway.
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weaving spiders come not here
legendary
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If adopted, this land will immediately have millions of citizen  Cheesy

Could you please explain how that will happen? There are only one million or so Bitcoin users around the world. Out of that less than 1,000 can be considered as having more than 1K coins. Of that, may be 1% or 2% might be willing to move to the new country. That means no more than a dozen or two will move to Liberland.
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Beyond Imagination
If adopted, this land will immediately have millions of citizen  Cheesy
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Good article, I was surprised a politicion could be part of the association talks about bitcoin
legendary
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Liberland is 7km sqare ... so ... its smaller than the cities u most live in  Cheesy

Yes. It is bigger than Sealand. But there is no micronation structure as such. The entire area is uninhabited, and even the so called "head of the state" is living outside this territory.
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This country before adopting Bitcoin has to get recognized but if it were recognized...
legendary
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Liberland is 7km sqare ... so ... its smaller than the cities u most live in  Cheesy
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I am skeptical. Liberland is a micronation, which is just 3 days old. I don't think that any BTC adoption by a micronation will help the crypto in the long run.

There will be no effect, because Liberland is not even a well established micronation. Liberland is not a working de-facto regime. Has the founder even taken residence in his own country?

If Sealand adopted Bitcoin there might at least be some media coverage.

Also, a libertarian country adopting an "official" currency would seem contradictory to me.

ya.ya.yo!
legendary
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I am skeptical. Liberland is a micronation, which is just 3 days old. I don't think that any BTC adoption by a micronation will help the crypto in the long run.
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Good article! There are discussions on adopting Bitcoin as one of the official Liberland currencies on the Liberland Forums at liberland.org.

The realist in me thinks the project doesn't have a chance because the powers that be will crush it in no time as soon as they notice, but the optimist in me keeps hoping. If Liberland survives, it could make a big impact. In particular, supporting Bitcoin would be a win-win alliance.
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I've posted this in the spanish subforum but I don't see any news about it here or anywhere at all in english, this just happened last night.

Apart from the regular fuss and sensationalist headlines , the czech politician that has created the country has no real links to bitcoin. He is member of an association that kind of talks about bitcoin but Im no expert in czech language.

This is the original link in spanish: http://sobrebitcoin.com/liberland-nuevo-estado-europeo-estudia-bitcoin-moneda-oficial/

And this is a translated version:
http://bit.ly/1J2Isbf

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