[2017-08-23] ‘The Goal Is to Be Bitcoin — Not Create an Altcoin’

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 23, 2017, 08:37:56 AM

Quote from: Xavofat on August 23, 2017, 06:09:54 AM

The "battle" here is represented hideously wrong.

The current chain is not "Core". A lot of people are running non-Core clients which are compatible with the chain we're on. In the same way, Core could develop software which was compatible with the new chain as well if they wanted to do that.

And that's kind of the point, Bitcoin Segwit2x (the BTC1 client) is not compatible with the consensus rules.

It's kind of boring to keep explaining how consensus works since you don't seem to get it, but I guess I'd better do it again.

Jeff Garzik is not coding the client that follows new consensus rules. He is coding a client that follows new consensus rules. No shift in power, because Garzik and other contributors do not have power over which client users decide to run. So users could decide to run a client which follows the same consensus rules as the SegWitx2 client we're talking about but is unrelated to it.

Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 23, 2017, 08:37:56 AM

And Core does control the consensus rules

If Core control the consensus rules, how come only 6047 out of 9167 listening nodes are running Core software?

Also, how come they can't actually change the consensus rules without everyone agreeing to run their new client?

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Quote from: Xavofat on August 23, 2017, 06:09:54 AM

The "battle" here is represented hideously wrong.

The current chain is not "Core". A lot of people are running non-Core clients which are compatible with the chain we're on. In the same way, Core could develop software which was compatible with the new chain as well if they wanted to do that.

And that's kind of the point, Bitcoin Segwit2x (the BTC1 client) is not compatible with the consensus rules.

And Core does control the consensus rules (because they control the source code). Control over the source code (and hence the rules) can be taken away from Core, (or from whoever controls the source code at any given time) but Jeff Garzik and the DCG group haven't given anywhere close to adequate reasoning for their bid to assume control, IMO

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Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

The "battle" here is represented hideously wrong.

The current chain is not "Core". A lot of people are running non-Core clients which are compatible with the chain we're on. In the same way, Core could develop software which was compatible with the new chain as well if they wanted to do that.

If Core could just decide what happened on the current chain whenever they felt like it, SegWit would have happened months ago.

As for which one is "Bitcoin", it's pretty much pointless to speculate about that. Personally I would start off treating both as Bitcoin and see which ones merchants, exchanges, users and other important groups decide to adopt.

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Segwit2x plans to be Bitcoin, not an altcoin says Jeff Garzik. The Segwit2x and Core battle seems like it will relentlessly continue over the course of the next few months until November. The war of what software is “bitcoin” will likely rage on between investors, miners, developers, and businesses. For instance, Bitwala published a blog post on August 22 that details the company did sign the New York Agreement, but at the end of the day Bitwala will stick to using the Core code base as the company’s default reference client. Meanwhile, Segregated Witness (Segwit) will go live on the network within the next 48-hours.

The Segwit2x working group seems like it will continue moving forward with its goals and the hard fork scheduled in the roadmap. “The goal of Segwit2x is to upgrade Bitcoin — to be Bitcoin — not create an altcoin,” explains Jeff Garzik on the working group’s Github repo.

What do you think about the drama between Core supporters and Segwit2x supporters? Do you think this issue will be resolved amicably or do you think bickering will continue? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.

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Well, I think we should be prepared for a continuing battle between ideas and groups of people in the Bitcoin community. This would be happening until November when bickering would finally be resolved. It is really sad that we are now a rehash of the same drama leading to August 1. Unfortunately, this is a big reality with Bitcoin because unlike Ethereum we have no single person or a group of people to look up to for leadership and people who are influential within Bitcoin also have their own business interests to fight for. I am just hoping that next year, we would finally be able to see a better and refreshed Bitcoin.

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