if you read the article,Buffet was much less hostile than presented
he is a big time investor,a rich guy who made fortune being a trendsetter
so his opinion must be worth something,also unlike Dimon he doesn't make attacks on bitcoin
merely stating the obvious-it doesn't produce value i.e. is not an asset in his eyes
the thing is that nothing has value unless there is a demand for it
in a world where gold is considered nothing and coca cola caps are used as money they have value because people have demand for it and agreed to use it
as a tender,hence bitcoin has as much value as there is demand for it
but we all must thank him for putting bitcoin into perspective,even him mentioning it works for adoption and price rise
Topic: [2017-10-27] Warren Buffett: Bitcoin is a bubble, as it doesn’t produce value (Read 8717 times)
October 31, 2017, 04:49:22 PM
October 31, 2017, 04:12:06 PM
This time even Buffett's statement about BTC was unable to pull down BTC pricing. It proves that now days Users likely to have a rigid trust on BTC. Market cap of BTC is growing very fast that proves that people allaround the globe is showing their interest in BTC and want to invest in it.
But definitely i agree with him regarding of his ICO review statement. Most of the ICO's are scams.
But definitely i agree with him regarding of his ICO review statement. Most of the ICO's are scams.
October 31, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
I think it's funny as warren buffet have invested in bitcoin, or it just a wrong information.
However, he's maybe right about initial coin offerings, but not all of could be stated as a completely unjustified hype due to some project really need crowfunding and develop in a good way so far, as long as it has product, real usability, and profitable for investors in the future.
Bitcoin is a bubble, maybe he's rifght about it, but it is a bubble which its value keep growing and more likely never pop. Bitcoin is a better monetary system compare to banks with all of their high interest to extract money from their customers.
However, he's maybe right about initial coin offerings, but not all of could be stated as a completely unjustified hype due to some project really need crowfunding and develop in a good way so far, as long as it has product, real usability, and profitable for investors in the future.
Bitcoin is a bubble, maybe he's rifght about it, but it is a bubble which its value keep growing and more likely never pop. Bitcoin is a better monetary system compare to banks with all of their high interest to extract money from their customers.
October 31, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Maybe Warren is right, Bitcoin can be a bubble, but it helps to build new financial system for new generations. It already helps a lot of young entrepreneurs get rich, they are free from hard work 9 to 5, and are able to put their mind and ideas in something important projects for humanity, like Elon Musk did.
LOL! Warren Buffet is an old folk with the knowledge and understanding of old stock trading.
I think Mr. Buffet clearly don't understand how the cryptocurrency ecosystem works, today the market is up and tomorrow the market down.
Lots of very educated and highly experienced people with trading background called bitcoin a bubble, though! But bitcoin continue to prove them wrong because bitcoin is setting new all-time high record nearly every 2 months. I think whoever thinks bitcoin is a bubble - side himself with the old folks that doesn't believe in bitcoin, that is why they don't to embrace it. Bitcoin is a revolution created by the youth, so never mind what old people said about, they'll surely hate it because it's something they don't really understand and you know how people treated something they don't understand
It just shows that bitcoin is not for everyone, not even with the likes of Warren Buffet who is very much successful financial trader. I guess he doesn't want to put his money, although he has a lot, so something that he can't really understand and figure how the price is going up without backup from a government or SEC. It's too much for the old man. lol. I hope he made the right decision though, maybe in a few years he will change his tune to bitcoin. That would be really epic.
October 31, 2017, 01:46:18 PM
Maybe Warren is right, Bitcoin can be a bubble, but it helps to build new financial system for new generations. It already helps a lot of young entrepreneurs get rich, they are free from hard work 9 to 5, and are able to put their mind and ideas in something important projects for humanity, like Elon Musk did.
LOL! Warren Buffet is an old folk with the knowledge and understanding of old stock trading.
I think Mr. Buffet clearly don't understand how the cryptocurrency ecosystem works, today the market is up and tomorrow the market down.
Lots of very educated and highly experienced people with trading background called bitcoin a bubble, though! But bitcoin continue to prove them wrong because bitcoin is setting new all-time high record nearly every 2 months. I think whoever thinks bitcoin is a bubble - side himself with the old folks that doesn't believe in bitcoin, that is why they don't to embrace it. Bitcoin is a revolution created by the youth, so never mind what old people said about, they'll surely hate it because it's something they don't really understand and you know how people treated something they don't understand
October 31, 2017, 03:20:26 AM
If you understand, our gold does not give us value. The gold bullion is valuable in that there is very little gold like this on the planet. Bitcoin in this regard also has a resemblance to gold, since it is limited to 21 million. So why is gold not a bubble, and bitcoin is considered a bubble? I do not see much difference.
The bottomline here is actually acceptance. When people are accepting gold as really valuable for whatever reasons then it is valuable. Now, the same thing can be said with Bitcoin...as long as there are people who are accepting it as valuable then it is valuable otherwise it would just fall in the wayside and die a natural death just like what we are seeing with so many different brands of products that are not already in the market. It is as simple as that.
October 30, 2017, 02:39:22 AM
This is the proof that not all CEO are great leaders and most of them are puppets of the institutions they belong. Warren and Jamie is the pawns in this war against bitcoin and the fiat enthusiasts. It is a war they keep on starting but the community and bitcoin keep on increasing, how ironic is that.
Cryptocurrency will ignored this kind of statements that doesn’t really matters because the one doing it isn’t as influential as Bill Gates who believes in bitcoin. That’s the naked reality of all. Bubble is overestimate it’s like a balloon and a big one that go up to the moon. # Sarcasm.
Cryptocurrency will ignored this kind of statements that doesn’t really matters because the one doing it isn’t as influential as Bill Gates who believes in bitcoin. That’s the naked reality of all. Bubble is overestimate it’s like a balloon and a big one that go up to the moon. # Sarcasm.
October 29, 2017, 09:42:32 PM
How to be an idiot without even trying hard:
Warren Buffett, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and once the richest man on the planet, has lately met with students in Nebraska at a Q&A session. Among other issues mentioned at this session was Bitcoin – and it’s interesting to know what one of the most powerful market figures of the word thinks about this cryptocurrency.
According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
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Kidding aside, Bitcoin has been called a bubble for almost years and it's still alive and it's price is still pumping. This man is the likes of Dimon. What a bunch of "I am a famous person on Investing Field that's why i know all and i can say the Bitcoin is a trash" People. According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
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October 29, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
One thing I don't agree with Buffett on is this. But honestly, i wouldn't be surprised if he pulled what JP morgan did where he talks shit and then buys a ton.
October 29, 2017, 02:55:21 PM
Does fiat itself produces any value?
No
What is Bitcoin?
It is a digital currency so what kind of value creation from Bitcoin(currency) they want. Price went from less than a cent to $5800. Value of a currency depends upon trust. People are indeed trusting it. People are buying houses, cars, apartments and what not. In future we will see more bitcoin application, then why would it be a bubble. Even gold is valued more than its intrinsic value or industrial application. Does it collapse? No. Bitcoin is enough a valuable currency that have potential to grow with increasing utility.
It's not a bubble.
No
What is Bitcoin?
It is a digital currency so what kind of value creation from Bitcoin(currency) they want. Price went from less than a cent to $5800. Value of a currency depends upon trust. People are indeed trusting it. People are buying houses, cars, apartments and what not. In future we will see more bitcoin application, then why would it be a bubble. Even gold is valued more than its intrinsic value or industrial application. Does it collapse? No. Bitcoin is enough a valuable currency that have potential to grow with increasing utility.
It's not a bubble.
But I still don`t understand if it`so easy to explain, why Warren Buffet say an opposite things.
October 29, 2017, 02:49:20 PM
So another one richman who is saying bad things about bitcoin, i'm 100% sure that he is buying bitcoins on the shadows like his "friends" JPmorgan did some weeks ago...
Is there something better for a guy like this than the bitcoin market if he want to make money?, all those guys are saying one thing and doing the opposite mostly of the times...
I agree with tis point of view. They are deffinitely have bitcoins, but don`t want people make money on it. Is there something better for a guy like this than the bitcoin market if he want to make money?, all those guys are saying one thing and doing the opposite mostly of the times...
October 29, 2017, 12:37:20 PM
WB said years (decades) ago he won’t invest in things he doesn’t understand. Which was why tech investments are rare for him. And that is smart. If you don’t understand something, it is best to stay away.
And this is another example of something he doesn’t understand and won’t invest in. He will comment on it though and show his lack of understanding.
He didn’t like bitcoin in March of 2014 either, calling it a ‘mirage’, iirc.
The problem is that in reality nothing has intrinsic value unless there is someone who wants it. On a planet with no life, water, gold, silver, oil, oxygen, dollars, euros, and bitcoin etc have no value. The difference between bitcoin and fiat is like that of gold, it is limited (although finding gold on the moon or asteroids would change that). And like gold or silver, bitcoin has value because it is useful and because other people believe in its value proposition.
And this is another example of something he doesn’t understand and won’t invest in. He will comment on it though and show his lack of understanding.
He didn’t like bitcoin in March of 2014 either, calling it a ‘mirage’, iirc.
The problem is that in reality nothing has intrinsic value unless there is someone who wants it. On a planet with no life, water, gold, silver, oil, oxygen, dollars, euros, and bitcoin etc have no value. The difference between bitcoin and fiat is like that of gold, it is limited (although finding gold on the moon or asteroids would change that). And like gold or silver, bitcoin has value because it is useful and because other people believe in its value proposition.
October 29, 2017, 07:59:46 AM
Does fiat itself produces any value?
No
What is Bitcoin?
It is a digital currency so what kind of value creation from Bitcoin(currency) they want. Price went from less than a cent to $5800. Value of a currency depends upon trust. People are indeed trusting it. People are buying houses, cars, apartments and what not. In future we will see more bitcoin application, then why would it be a bubble. Even gold is valued more than its intrinsic value or industrial application. Does it collapse? No. Bitcoin is enough a valuable currency that have potential to grow with increasing utility.
It's not a bubble.
No
What is Bitcoin?
It is a digital currency so what kind of value creation from Bitcoin(currency) they want. Price went from less than a cent to $5800. Value of a currency depends upon trust. People are indeed trusting it. People are buying houses, cars, apartments and what not. In future we will see more bitcoin application, then why would it be a bubble. Even gold is valued more than its intrinsic value or industrial application. Does it collapse? No. Bitcoin is enough a valuable currency that have potential to grow with increasing utility.
It's not a bubble.
October 29, 2017, 06:42:24 AM
Everyone got their personal point of view and one should respect that, you can't stop anyone from giving their personal views but that does not mean it needs to true. Warren Buffett is a successful businessman but does not understand the potential of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Lately the recent scams held against ICO have put Bitcoin in bad limelight due to which Bitcoin is seen as a dangerous risking asset. But Warren should see the graphs and can clearly know how Bitcoin turns out to be best investment and asset at this time.
October 28, 2017, 04:59:30 PM
When asked about Bitcoin he switched to talking about ICOs. Sure many of them are scams or things that don't bring anything new to the table. Bitcoin is different. It's the most well known, used, accepted and regulated cryptocurrency in the world. To me it's a very important factor when it comes to investments. Warren is too old to know anything about it.
October 28, 2017, 02:31:57 PM
If you understand, our gold does not give us value. The gold bullion is valuable in that there is very little gold like this on the planet. Bitcoin in this regard also has a resemblance to gold, since it is limited to 21 million. So why is gold not a bubble, and bitcoin is considered a bubble? I do not see much difference.
October 28, 2017, 12:47:09 PM
Warren Buffett, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and once the richest man on the planet, has lately met with students in Nebraska at a Q&A session. Among other issues mentioned at this session was Bitcoin – and it’s interesting to know what one of the most powerful market figures of the word thinks about this cryptocurrency.
According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
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According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
Read more
I think Buffet's assertion on Bitcoins is more like an old entrepreneur's normal claim -- that which is conventional is more certain than the other. I think in order to move forward, you have to mobilize the concept of 'forward' in a sense that it involves keeping abreast with what is new and what is not. We have to be ever coping up with times in order to succumb to humanities' pressing needs. Thus, while his opinion may be based on his own suppositions, I cannot help but frown upon such unprecedented theories.
October 28, 2017, 12:23:01 PM
Buffet won't be the first person to say that but what keeps happening in the crypto world continues to be a mystery to the likes of him.
What he is saying is also correct because what exactly is this is nothing more than virtual. You are not getting any base as such in physical form due to which people are not able to digest it. This results in thinking that it is bubble and due to its volatility it become more dangerous for many of them.
October 28, 2017, 11:01:57 AM
Maybe Warren is right, Bitcoin can be a bubble, but it helps to build new financial system for new generations. It already helps a lot of young entrepreneurs get rich, they are free from hard work 9 to 5, and are able to put their mind and ideas in something important projects for humanity, like Elon Musk did.
I completely agree with xFiber. Bitcoin may get as high as 100,000$. it has a lot of ground to cover.
I also agree that bitcoin can become very valuable. This is the technology of the future. And someday a lot of productions will be based on blockchain technology
October 28, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
In our world, in fact, everything that makes up the financial side of our relationship can be called a bubble. After all, even what is gold and what is its value? This is one of many on the planet Earth of ordinary metals, the value of which lies in its rare occurrence. If many gold deposits were discovered that would allow it to be extracted in unlimited quantities. its value would immediately fall. In practice this would also be a soap bubble. The value of bitcoin is its limited quantity, which can be mined - 21 million pieces. This is its objective value and it is not a soap bubble, like our gold.
October 28, 2017, 05:03:16 AM
Replying to Mr. Buffet is easy. I think he is afraid that Bitcoin might beat his Berkshire toy in the long run and he will have no time to get on board.
To do this I will quote a post from 2011 when BTC got parity with the US Dollar.
So be it.
To do this I will quote a post from 2011 when BTC got parity with the US Dollar.
Only when most people do NOT think it is a bubble, then prices may correct.
This is the truth behind market sentiment.
As long as so many people here write about bubbles, we are far from a (temporary) peak.
Nothing in principle stops bitcoins to reach 1 $, 10$ 100 $ as long as we see this increasing fund inflow.
Just my tiny pearls of wisdom.
This is the truth behind market sentiment.
As long as so many people here write about bubbles, we are far from a (temporary) peak.
Nothing in principle stops bitcoins to reach 1 $, 10$ 100 $ as long as we see this increasing fund inflow.
Just my tiny pearls of wisdom.
So be it.
October 28, 2017, 03:52:52 AM
Maybe Warren is right, Bitcoin can be a bubble, but it helps to build new financial system for new generations. It already helps a lot of young entrepreneurs get rich, they are free from hard work 9 to 5, and are able to put their mind and ideas in something important projects for humanity, like Elon Musk did.
I completely agree with xFiber. Bitcoin may get as high as 100,000$. it has a lot of ground to cover.
October 27, 2017, 11:40:06 PM
Most Bitcoin naysayers have one thing in common - their age. Usually they are old people from stock markets, banks and governments who don't understand new technology and are afraid to see their own wealth getting disrupted by a new asset. Their opinions don't have much weight despite their success with fiat economy - because Bitcoin introduces a new type of economy, the one not yet fully studied by economists, so many traditional economic theories simply do not apply to Bitcoin.
October 27, 2017, 10:03:17 PM
Yah, yah. Why would a filthy rich old guy care about btc? He's already rich and that is the common statements that oligarchs say about btc and it's expected as usual.
October 27, 2017, 09:09:21 PM
Warren Buffett, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and once the richest man on the planet, has lately met with students in Nebraska at a Q&A session. Among other issues mentioned at this session was Bitcoin – and it’s interesting to know what one of the most powerful market figures of the word thinks about this cryptocurrency.
According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
Read more
According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
Read more
He may be right, if we are going to compare Bitcoin to the trading stocks of Berkshire Hathaway it doesn't have anything behind it where the prices are coming. His company also started from a small price but now it is the highest valued trading stocks. Company started in the 90's. But one thing is common with bitcoin and Berkshire's stocks. It is the demand from the people who wants to own a piece of it as an investment and bitcoin being called as the currency of the future might exceed it's price in the future.
October 27, 2017, 05:55:51 PM
I might side with Buffett if he also said that the dollar is a bubble because it is not an value-producing asset.
October 27, 2017, 10:34:14 AM
TL;DR; i don't know if it is his second statement about bitcoin, to recall way back 2014 3 years ago, he release this statement the same way as what the OP posted that the bitcoin is a sort of bubble, but to tell you Mr. Warren Buffett that you are wrong again. You know what , you didn't know the technological breakthrough of the blockchain the backbone of bitcoin. many are fear with the decentralized blockchain technology including the bank and some giant financial institution. Yes, you are an investment guru but you can't be a cryptocurrency analyst because this kind of things is not your forte.
October 27, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
Buffet won't be the first person to say that but what keeps happening in the crypto world continues to be a mystery to the likes of him.
October 27, 2017, 10:14:54 AM
Maybe Warren is right, Bitcoin can be a bubble, but it helps to build new financial system for new generations. It already helps a lot of young entrepreneurs get rich, they are free from hard work 9 to 5, and are able to put their mind and ideas in something important projects for humanity, like Elon Musk did.
When more people use the bitcoin, the bitcoin becomes more valuable. But Buffet benefits from the fiat, so he will say bad words to bitcoin.
October 27, 2017, 09:38:58 AM
Maybe Warren is right, Bitcoin can be a bubble, but it helps to build new financial system for new generations. It already helps a lot of young entrepreneurs get rich, they are free from hard work 9 to 5, and are able to put their mind and ideas in something important projects for humanity, like Elon Musk did.
October 27, 2017, 09:05:43 AM
Bubble or not that is on one’s faith to the others.. Those who believe and trust bitcoinhave different thingbto say,, it’s more subjective to the one who experienced it and that is the end of the discussion..
Warren Buffet might have expressed it on his understanding and others interpret it to they’re biases, and all can I say is, does it matter when all that can be affected are the once started doubting bitcoin because of incompetence..
This what we call all along about simultaneously attack to bitcoin when it is increasing for others group benefits..
Warren Buffet might have expressed it on his understanding and others interpret it to they’re biases, and all can I say is, does it matter when all that can be affected are the once started doubting bitcoin because of incompetence..
This what we call all along about simultaneously attack to bitcoin when it is increasing for others group benefits..
October 27, 2017, 08:34:45 AM
Maybe Warren is right, Bitcoin can be a bubble, but it helps to build new financial system for new generations. It already helps a lot of young entrepreneurs get rich, they are free from hard work 9 to 5, and are able to put their mind and ideas in something important projects for humanity, like Elon Musk did.
October 27, 2017, 07:34:22 AM
It's funny how this article is twisting Buffet's words to make this article look a bit more interesting (i.e hostile) than it in reality is - of course, to spark readers interest. It's not very often where I somewhat can understand the point of view of a mere traditional investor when it comes to Bitcoin. Important to understand is that till this day, basically every crypto currency (Bitcoin as well obviously), is still a speculative investment tool for the far majority of the people. In other words, the value that we see today might be far above what would be justiable in current time, but that's because of the speculative nature that is impossible to get rid of entirely, and I don't even want to get rid of it. It's part of this market, it attracts loads of fresh capital, etc. I see only benefits here.
October 27, 2017, 06:36:04 AM
like his "friends" JPmorgan did some weeks ago...
It was a client buying BTC. JP Morgan themselves didn't buy BTC.According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
To be fair to Buffett, he may be correct that the crypto market is in a bubble, and it's not entirely unreasonable to suggest so. Buffett has always liked very simple long-term investments and prefers not to frequently buy and sell or engage in risky investments.What he actually said about the value of crypto was:
You can’t value bitcoin because it’s not a value-producing asset.
And while we can argue about this all we like, it's not particularly subjective. There's no "correct" value of BTC, and Buffett seems to be aware of that. Perhaps he's also aware that suggesting Bitcoin is in a bubble is subjective, so when he does that maybe he's aware that he could potentially be wrong.
October 27, 2017, 06:07:20 AM
So another one richman who is saying bad things about bitcoin, i'm 100% sure that he is buying bitcoins on the shadows like his "friends" JPmorgan did some weeks ago...
Is there something better for a guy like this than the bitcoin market if he want to make money?, all those guys are saying one thing and doing the opposite mostly of the times...
Is there something better for a guy like this than the bitcoin market if he want to make money?, all those guys are saying one thing and doing the opposite mostly of the times...
October 27, 2017, 05:42:48 AM
Warren Buffett, CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and once the richest man on the planet, has lately met with students in Nebraska at a Q&A session. Among other issues mentioned at this session was Bitcoin – and it’s interesting to know what one of the most powerful market figures of the word thinks about this cryptocurrency.
According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
Read more
According to MarketWatch, Buffett stated that Bitcoin is not a value-producing asset and there is no telling how far its price would go. It is “a real bubble in that sort of thing”, Mr. Buffett concluded. There is a completely unjustified hype around initial coin offerings, the entrepreneur believes, and described this as a typical market sentiment when “people get excited from big price movements, and Wall Street accommodates”.
Read more
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