[2019-06-16] US Federal judge threatens to hold Craig Wright in criminal...

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 23, 2019, 03:50:02 PM

https://medium.com/@danielkelman/opinion-on-current-issues-in-kleiman-v-wright-4240e4fcfd5

Finally some qualified legal opinion here instead of us lot guessing a bunch of shit.

An interesting angle that I hadn't really pondered before is the motivation of Kleiman in bringing the case. This geezer reckons it's to force a settlement out of Craigy.

Since I've never heard of any Kleiman coming up with anything pointing to Dave having anything to do with BTC then it makes sense. They may be just as opportunistic as he is.

It's been said out of craigs mouth that dave was part of it.
There is also the wallet.dat file craig desperatly asked them to save of daves.

I don't think dave's family realised how much he was involved untill craig showed up asking for info and files and god knows what else.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.24.24.pdf

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https://medium.com/@danielkelman/opinion-on-current-issues-in-kleiman-v-wright-4240e4fcfd5

Finally some qualified legal opinion here instead of us lot guessing a bunch of shit.

An interesting angle that I hadn't really pondered before is the motivation of Kleiman in bringing the case. This geezer reckons it's to force a settlement out of Craigy.

Since I've never heard of any Kleiman coming up with anything pointing to Dave having anything to do with BTC then it makes sense. They may be just as opportunistic as he is.

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 23, 2019, 12:33:48 PM

This thread needs a resident lawyer.

I can't see the rest of the US legal system giving the slightest shit about this, and certainly not the UK government if some sort of extradition thing ever happened. All of these people have vastly better things to do with their time.

Extradition pertains to criminal prosecution. Nobody is getting extradited over ignoring a court summons in a civil case in the state of Florida. Roll Eyes

Quote from: gentlemand on June 23, 2019, 12:33:48 PM

The thing I don't get about any of this is Craigy must have paid someone to tell him that he couldn't continue lying if he went down this path. Did he not listen or did he pay them enough to say the opposite?

He's either ignoring his lawyers or getting advice from lawyers who should be disbarred from practice.

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on June 23, 2019, 02:58:47 PM

It's actually turning into a fraud case so there may be criminal charges to follow

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, this extradition talk is complete nonsense.

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 23, 2019, 02:51:59 PM

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Actually it's much higher than you think in reality from 2009 to 2016 - 7,463 people were extradited from the UK of that 479 were british nationals. meanwhile only 897 people were brought to the UK under extradition laws.

That figure is for the EU, not US. There'll be a lot more law breaking going on cross channel than cross Atlantic.

And the legal business has limited resources just like everywhere else. They're going to point those resources to things that are important and relevant, not some spat over coins that don't exist.

It's a figure to show how much the UK co-operate with this extradition sceheme.
and if the US make the request to hold him then I can guarntee the UK will do it.

It's actually turning into a fraud case so there may be criminal charges to follow in which case the UK would act to hold and pass him to the US.

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on June 23, 2019, 02:40:47 PM

Actually it's much higher than you think in reality from 2009 to 2016 - 7,463 people were extradited from the UK of that 479 were british nationals. meanwhile only 897 people were brought to the UK under extradition laws.

That figure is for the EU, not US. There'll be a lot more law breaking going on cross channel than cross Atlantic.

And the legal business has limited resources just like everywhere else. They're going to point those resources to things that are important and relevant, not some spat over coins that don't exist.

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 23, 2019, 02:24:40 PM

Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on June 23, 2019, 02:16:50 PM

He WILL be extradited

I have no idea why he came to the UK knowing that the UK has strong links with the US procesution service.

Why would tax payer funds go on dealing with something so piffling? The small number of people who have been extradited have been terrorists and those who've directly pissed in the mouth of the US government.

Actually it's much higher than you think in reality from 2009 to 2016 - 7,463 people were extradited from the UK of that 479 were british nationals. meanwhile only 897 people were brought to the UK under extradition laws.

And why did the tax payer bail out the banks..did they have a say in that?
The fact is that the UK tax payer has no say in what the tax money is being spent on.

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Quote from: DaCryptoRaccoon on June 23, 2019, 02:16:50 PM

He WILL be extradited

I have no idea why he came to the UK knowing that the UK has strong links with the US procesution service.

Why would tax payer funds go on dealing with something so piffling? The small number of people who have been extradited have been terrorists and those who've directly pissed in the mouth of the US government.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 22, 2019, 03:02:32 PM

Quote from: Naida_BR on June 22, 2019, 12:55:45 PM

He won't be able to prove them on the next court

Well, for the next date he has been summoned in person, but he has already said he isn't going to attend. He will therefore be held in contempt of court. The question is whether this is enough to earn him an arrest warrant, or if he will just be fined and lose the suit against Kleiman by default instead.

If an arrest warrant is issued, then the next hurdle is extradition, since CSW currently resides in the UK. The UK has historically been pretty cooperative with US requests in this area though, provided capital punishment isn't involved.

He WILL be extradited

I have no idea why he came to the UK knowing that the UK has strong links with the US procesution service.

I think he came to the UK to try "doctor" documents or work on his back story of this company CO1N LTD

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08248988

In the file of this compnay last documents were 2017

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08248988/filing-history

Oh Craig... If we find your paperwork the US will find it.. Enjoy prison food...

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 23, 2019, 12:33:48 PM

The thing I don't get about any of this is Craigy must have paid someone to tell him that he couldn't continue lying if he went down this path.

It's likely that he didn't. On his website he describes himself as a lawyer, despite having no law qualifications or passing any of the exams. He's enough of a narcissist to believe he can probably represent himself better than any actual lawyers. No lawyer would tell him to continue to lie to and disregard the courts, and he surely isn't stupid enough to pay for advice he knows he is going to ignore.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 23, 2019, 07:12:04 AM

I am not a legal expert, but as far as I know the US and Australia can give a extradition order for his arrest, if they wanted to. The question is, will they go through all that for a minor infringement like this? Roll Eyes

This thread needs a resident lawyer.

I can't see the rest of the US legal system giving the slightest shit about this, and certainly not the UK government if some sort of extradition thing ever happened. All of these people have vastly better things to do with their time.

The thing I don't get about any of this is Craigy must have paid someone to tell him that he couldn't continue lying if he went down this path. Did he not listen or did he pay them enough to say the opposite?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 16, 2019, 02:04:16 AM

How much legally binding is this order? As far as I know, Craig S Wright is an Australian citizen and he don't need to worry about the court proceedings in the United States. But if the federal judge forces him to appear before him in person and manages to prove that he was lying all along, then the judge will have a lot of respect from my side.

I am not a legal expert, but as far as I know the US and Australia can give a extradition order for his arrest, if they wanted to. The question is, will they go through all that for a minor infringement like this? Roll Eyes

It will restrict his travelling if he wants to travel to the US, because he might be arrested if he travels to the US for some reason. Roll Eyes

In any way, his legal representatives will fight this extradition order if it was issues, so it will take years to get him behind bars. Tongue

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Quote from: squatter on June 22, 2019, 04:17:39 PM

It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for a bench warrant to be issued. That would authorize the police to arrest him, but I'm guessing there's no chance of extradition.

Basically, Wright would need to avoid stepping foot in the United States.

As Satoshi, and a proven internet forensics expert, wouldn't he not be of some help for cleaning up the Bitcoin space from many (old) criminals?

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Quote from: ukloon on June 16, 2019, 06:19:37 AM

Let's get ready to see him move those original bitcoins from the genesis block. The pressure is on now, either move those coins or end up in jail. Let's keep an eye on those wallets, been waiting years to see someone move it

They probably will, but not such u ll like it

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It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for a bench warrant to be issued. That would authorize the police to arrest him, but I'm guessing there's no chance of extradition.

Basically, Wright would need to avoid stepping foot in the United States.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on June 22, 2019, 12:55:45 PM

He won't be able to prove them on the next court

Well, for the next date he has been summoned in person, but he has already said he isn't going to attend. He will therefore be held in contempt of court. The question is whether this is enough to earn him an arrest warrant, or if he will just be fined and lose the suit against Kleiman by default instead.

If an arrest warrant is issued, then the next hurdle is extradition, since CSW currently resides in the UK. The UK has historically been pretty cooperative with US requests in this area though, provided capital punishment isn't involved.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 22, 2019, 06:33:32 AM

Well, as what I'm sure comes as a massive surprise to absolutely no one at all, Craig Wright has failed to provide the courts with the data they ordered him too, managing yet again to prove without a shadow of a doubt he is decidedly not Satoshi.

https://beincrypto.com/craig-wright-reportedly-failed-to-submit-court-ordered-bitcoin-wallet-addresses/

Any bets on how he will spin this to fit in to his ever growing web of lies?

Now we have to wait for the next court date on the 28th to see what happens next.

Not surprised with that.
He won't be able to prove them on the next court and I hope that the judges will send him to jail. I am really pissed of with this guy, we need to clear the community from him.

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Well, as what I'm sure comes as a massive surprise to absolutely no one at all, Craig Wright has failed to provide the courts with the data they ordered him too, managing yet again to prove without a shadow of a doubt he is decidedly not Satoshi.

https://beincrypto.com/craig-wright-reportedly-failed-to-submit-court-ordered-bitcoin-wallet-addresses/

Any bets on how he will spin this to fit in to his ever growing web of lies?

Now we have to wait for the next court date on the 28th to see what happens next.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 21, 2019, 04:49:54 AM

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US Federal judge threatens to hold Craig Wright in criminal contempt in ongoing court case

he is a very rich person and very proud to know about laws, so we have a very rich guy who can hire many lawyers and who is very proud to know about laws, what could go wrong against him? it is clear he knows the consequences of his actions and how against attacking his opponents in court or in dispute cases. Faketoshi is the kind of annoying guy that people should ignore it

You're forgetting that he is also pretty stupid ~~sometimes~~ most of times and unfortunately for him having lots of money and good lawyers won't get you out of trouble all the times. And CSW is Madoff material Tongue

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 16, 2019, 06:47:34 PM

I read a good article on it here: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2019/06/15/craig-wright-has-to-show-up-in-florida-on-28-june-or-else/. Perhaps that can shed some light.

Thanks for this.

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I shall not be going to the US nor dealing with these criminals other than to instigate fraud charges. Ira Kleiman has aided criminals who hacked servers of companies I used to run.

Yes, you moron, keep playing with fire!!!

Hopefully, this is the first step in ending this charade once for all, and the faster it does the better as this is turning uglier every day.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 21, 2019, 04:49:54 AM

he is a very rich person and very proud to know about laws, so we have a very rich guy who can hire many lawyers and who is very proud to know about laws, what could go wrong against him? it is clear he knows the consequences of his actions and how against attacking his opponents in court or in dispute cases. Faketoshi is the kind of annoying guy that people should ignore it

Whatever money he has access to I presume most of it comes from other people using him for their mysterious ends. I get the impression he's a useful idiot who's becoming less useful by the day.

And in no way does he strike me as a normal or rational person aware or interested in consequences. There's definitely some sort of personality disorder.

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Quote from: bL4nkcode on June 15, 2019, 09:40:59 PM

US Federal judge threatens to hold Craig Wright in criminal contempt in ongoing court case

he is a very rich person and very proud to know about laws, so we have a very rich guy who can hire many lawyers and who is very proud to know about laws, what could go wrong against him? it is clear he knows the consequences of his actions and how against attacking his opponents in court or in dispute cases. Faketoshi is the kind of annoying guy that people should ignore it

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Quote from: cryptokwuk on June 20, 2019, 08:43:14 PM

Seems he has now proven the existence of the trust which holds 1.100.111 BTC and that he will be the owner of those funds within 5 months.
Which also basically proves he actually IS Satoshi.

it proves he made a declaration in court. this is no different than his copyright registration. i could declare that i am satoshi, and that i own the satoshi coins. does that make it true?

he even included caveats so that when he still can't access the funds in 5 months, there's a perfectly good explanation:

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According to the filing, access to the holdings of the trust requires participation of all trustees, at least one of whom he hasn’t been in contact for several years.

https://www.coindesk.com/craig-wright-provides-new-details-on-bitcoin-trust-at-heart-of-billion-dollar-lawsuit

the more obvious explanation is that he doesn't have access to those coins at all.

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Seems he has now proven the existence of the trust which holds 1.100.111 BTC and that he will be the owner of those funds within 5 months.
Which also basically proves he actually IS Satoshi.

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 16, 2019, 05:52:04 AM

Curious about this too. I know nothing much about the law but this is a civil case with the corresponding lack of heaviness. I presume talking rubbish in a civil case may attract civil penalties, whatever they are, and nothing beyond it.

It's not my area of expertise by any means, but my understanding is that if he doesn't show up, he will be held in contempt of court and an arrest warrant will be issued. He will also lose by default and end up being issued with a substantial settlement to pay to Ira Kleiman. Whether or not these are enforceable internationally is another matter.

I read a good article on it here: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2019/06/15/craig-wright-has-to-show-up-in-florida-on-28-june-or-else/. Perhaps that can shed some light.

Quote from: LeGaulois on June 16, 2019, 04:14:39 PM

but in the case of the USA and Australia, it could happen if it becomes too much media coverage

CSW currently resides in the UK.

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They may well ask another government to extradite a person. After that, it depends on the relations between the 2 countries, but in the case of the USA and Australia, it could happen if it becomes too much media coverage.
Anyway, it doesn't matter how he's going to get away with it, but I know Karma hits you soon or later.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 16, 2019, 02:04:16 AM

How much legally binding is this order? As far as I know, Craig S Wright is an Australian citizen and he don't need to worry about the court proceedings in the United States. But if the federal judge forces him to appear before him in person and manages to prove that he was lying all along, then the judge will have a lot of respect from my side.

Curious about this too. I know nothing much about the law but this is a civil case with the corresponding lack of heaviness. I presume talking rubbish in a civil case may attract civil penalties, whatever they are, and nothing beyond it.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 16, 2019, 01:13:10 AM

they would see him as a martyr freedom fighter who went to jail for creating Bitcoin or something, maybe they'll even find a way to spin it as "evil Core worked with the US government and bankers to send CWS to jail", lol.

You are right. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if BSV pumped in response to CSW being thrown in jail. There is zero logic behind this group, which fits well with there being zero logic behind their coin or behind CSW.

Quote from: figmentofmyass on June 16, 2019, 01:27:43 AM

he's already basically a cult leader to them.

Some take it even further than that and declare him a religious leader, apparently. I'm having a hard time believing this video isn't satire, but make of it what you will: https://twitter.com/roryhighside/status/1138008235279994881

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How much legally binding is this order? As far as I know, Craig S Wright is an Australian citizen and he don't need to worry about the court proceedings in the United States. But if the federal judge forces him to appear before him in person and manages to prove that he was lying all along, then the judge will have a lot of respect from my side.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on June 16, 2019, 01:13:10 AM

I would like to see that too, it would be so funny, but somehow I don't get a feeling that it will happen, and even if it would happen, it wouldn't have much consequences in crypto community, specifically that tine group of sad people who follow this scammer, they would see him as a martyr freedom fighter who went to jail for creating Bitcoin or something, maybe they'll even find a way to spin it as "evil Core worked with the US government and bankers to send CWS to jail", lol.

oh there's no doubt, they would martyr the shit outta that guy. it would only further reinforce their devotion to him. it's incredible to hear some of these lunatic BSV supporters talk. he's already basically a cult leader to them.

i won't be surprised if it happens though. wright has been skating on thin ice for a long time. the frivolous lawsuits, openly lying in court, disrespecting the courts' jurisdiction.....the guy is cruising for a bruising. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually the courts are going to kick craig in the teeth, mark my words.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on June 16, 2019, 12:37:34 AM

i've been saying for a while that wright is risking contempt charges with all his shenanigans. openly lying to the court and refusing to comply with a court summons---that would certainly do it. i'd laugh so hard if the judge just throws his ass in jail for a year.

I would like to see that too, it would be so funny, but somehow I don't get a feeling that it will happen, and even if it would happen, it wouldn't have much consequences in crypto community, specifically that tine group of sad people who follow this scammer, they would see him as a martyr freedom fighter who went to jail for creating Bitcoin or something, maybe they'll even find a way to spin it as "evil Core worked with the US government and bankers to send CWS to jail", lol.

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Quote from: bL4nkcode on June 15, 2019, 09:40:59 PM

Just want to open a topic about this man here 'again' and I beg pardon to those who really pissed and annoyed, who doesn't want to hear any news/article from him, but it's worth the time IMO.

US Federal judge threatens to hold Craig Wright in criminal contempt in ongoing court case

Craig Wright, who claims he is Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto, was dealt a blow by a Florida court yesterday after they granted a motion to compel him to prove his bitcoin holdings by Monday. He has also been summoned to the federal court by the end of the month, where he will need to speak under oath.

If Wright fails to comply, he will be held in contempt of court, which could be a criminal act and punishable by a fine or jail time

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/06/15/craig-wright-sees-motion-to-compel-him-to-reveal-his-bitcoin-holdings-granted/

i've been saying for a while that wright is risking contempt charges with all his shenanigans. openly lying to the court and refusing to comply with a court summons---that would certainly do it. i'd laugh so hard if the judge just throws his ass in jail for a year.

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Just want to open a topic about this man here 'again' and I beg pardon to those who really pissed and annoyed, who doesn't want to hear any news/article from him, but it's worth the time IMO.

US Federal judge threatens to hold Craig Wright in criminal contempt in ongoing court case

Craig Wright, who claims he is Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto, was dealt a blow by a Florida court yesterday after they granted a motion to compel him to prove his bitcoin holdings by Monday. He has also been summoned to the federal court by the end of the month, where he will need to speak under oath.

If Wright fails to comply, he will be held in contempt of court, which could be a criminal act and punishable by a fine or jail time

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/06/15/craig-wright-sees-motion-to-compel-him-to-reveal-his-bitcoin-holdings-granted/

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