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Topic: [2019-07-12] Fed Chairman Powell: Bitcoin Is A Store of Value Like Gold (Read 201 times)

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At 300-400K confirmed transactions per day, it's really not accurate to keep pushing this narrative that "no one uses bitcoin for payments." If that were true, Bitcoin's value proposition would be much weaker.

It's nice to see some recognition from the banksters re: "store of value" though. JP Morgan made this comparison in 2017, now the FED. How far we've come...

And how many of those 300-400k transactions are consumer transactions? To me it's clear as day that overwhelming amount of transaction comes from traders, because there's always a correlation between trading volume/big price movements and amount of transactions in the mempool.

Why all the emphasis on consumer transactions? Consumer payments aren't nearly the most interesting use case for Bitcoin. He said "payments" -- that applies to all P2P and B2B payments, not just retail goods/services. You can't possibly attribute every transaction in and out of exchanges as "traders" either. People need to buy bitcoins in order to even start using the network, and some portion of users will react to large price movements -- including consumers. According to Bitpay, price increases prompt increases in consumer payment volumes too, so it's not just traders.

Even at the deadest times of 2018, we were swinging between 150-250K transactions per day, so I think it's inaccurate to say "overwhelming amount." Either way, traders and exchanges are using bitcoins to transfer value, i.e. payments. Same as buyers and sellers on the darknet markets. Same as everybody else using Bitcoin everyday.



It obvious they blame people for that no can use bitcoin as mode of payment but their have a lot of users made transaction using bitcoin as payment.
I agree long time to wait bitcoin to replace fiat or dollar currency and can compare ut into gold as very expensive store value.
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Lawmakers also mentioned their uneasiness regarding bitcoin’s possible long-term challenge to replace the U.S. dollar as the world reserve currency.

https://bitcoinist.com/federal-reserve-chairman-jerome-powell-bitcoin-a-store-of-value-like-gold/



It's good news to hear such statement coming from a central banker.However,this guy doesn't admit that bitcoin is a currency,so this makes me think that the Federal Reserve System will never accept bitcoin as a currency.The rumors that FED might bitcoin as a reserve currency or store of value is complete nonsense.
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“Almost no one uses bitcoin for payments, they use it more as an alternative to gold,” he said Thursday afternoon. “It’s a speculative store of value.”

At 300-400K confirmed transactions per day, it's really not accurate to keep pushing this narrative that "no one uses bitcoin for payments." If that were true, Bitcoin's value proposition would be much weaker.

It's nice to see some recognition from the banksters re: "store of value" though. JP Morgan made this comparison in 2017, now the FED. How far we've come...

People really need to come up with more substantial arguments than "no one uses bitcoin for payments". There's a growing freelance and full time industry of people getting paid purely in crypto. I know I myself was late to the game in terms of accepting Bitcoin (and other alts) for payments and this was 2 years ago. I'm sure I'm not alone, and with all these companies paying also only in tokens and BTC, are they really just for ignoring now?

That's not even taking into account other circumstantial use cases like Iranians sending money abroad.
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I am saluting the FED Chairman Jerome Powell for his honest comments regarding Bitcoin and the US dollar as the current world reserve currency. He is right, there is no logic to assume that the US Dollar will be occupying the world reserve currency forever. I am sure he already knew that this is not a question of IF but of WHEN. The time is coming when the USA Dollar will fall and just like British Pound it can go away and be replaced by another one. And there are many vying currency candidates on the horizon all ready to fill the vacuum just in case that can be happening. Good to hear a good statement coming from the Chairman himself that Bitcoin is the store of value just like what the physical gold is doing. I am hoping this can be one of the viewpoints by our many lawmakers as they are expressing concern on it to replace the dollar.
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At 300-400K confirmed transactions per day, it's really not accurate to keep pushing this narrative that "no one uses bitcoin for payments." If that were true, Bitcoin's value proposition would be much weaker.

It's nice to see some recognition from the banksters re: "store of value" though. JP Morgan made this comparison in 2017, now the FED. How far we've come...

And how many of those 300-400k transactions are consumer transactions? To me it's clear as day that overwhelming amount of transaction comes from traders, because there's always a correlation between trading volume/big price movements and amount of transactions in the mempool.

Why all the emphasis on consumer transactions? Consumer payments aren't nearly the most interesting use case for Bitcoin. He said "payments" -- that applies to all P2P and B2B payments, not just retail goods/services. You can't possibly attribute every transaction in and out of exchanges as "traders" either. People need to buy bitcoins in order to even start using the network, and some portion of users will react to large price movements -- including consumers. According to Bitpay, price increases prompt increases in consumer payment volumes too, so it's not just traders.

Even at the deadest times of 2018, we were swinging between 150-250K transactions per day, so I think it's inaccurate to say "overwhelming amount." Either way, traders and exchanges are using bitcoins to transfer value, i.e. payments. Same as buyers and sellers on the darknet markets. Same as everybody else using Bitcoin everyday.
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I couldn't believe how Peter Schiff even got into this article to reinforce his position as a long term goldbug/shill Grin Grin

And how many of those 300-400k transactions are consumer transactions?

But what Powell is saying is that BTC isn't used for payments, period. Which is clearly false.
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“Almost no one uses bitcoin for payments, they use it more as an alternative to gold,” he said Thursday afternoon. “It’s a speculative store of value.”

At 300-400K confirmed transactions per day, it's really not accurate to keep pushing this narrative that "no one uses bitcoin for payments." If that were true, Bitcoin's value proposition would be much weaker.

It's nice to see some recognition from the banksters re: "store of value" though. JP Morgan made this comparison in 2017, now the FED. How far we've come...

And how many of those 300-400k transactions are consumer transactions? To me it's clear as day that overwhelming amount of transaction comes from traders, because there's always a correlation between trading volume/big price movements and amount of transactions in the mempool.

Also, Bitcoin's economy is really small, there are no significant Bitcoin versions of Amazon, Ebay, Steam, App store, etc. At this point it's really not a threat to fiat payment methods.

Maybe Bitcoin needs to become a truly established store of value first, before the masses start thinking about it as an option for their payments.
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At 300-400K confirmed transactions per day, it's really not accurate to keep pushing this narrative that "no one uses bitcoin for payments." If that were true, Bitcoin's value proposition would be much weaker.
Nocoiners don't seem to care-- their narrative is that nearly all transactions are fake, where the minority of transactions that seem organic are related to criminal activity. Roubini and Peter Schiff are the loudest.

That being said, I like how Bitcoin is being put in the same category as gold when it comes to being a store of value. I didn't expect that to come from the federal reserve chairman. It's definitely a positive for Bitcoin.

There were days where central bank presidents referred to it as a gamble, fraud, criminal currency, etc. I'm sure some of them are still not seeing it or purposely trashing it, but we're going forward and that's the only thing that counts.
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“Almost no one uses bitcoin for payments, they use it more as an alternative to gold,” he said Thursday afternoon. “It’s a speculative store of value.”

At 300-400K confirmed transactions per day, it's really not accurate to keep pushing this narrative that "no one uses bitcoin for payments." If that were true, Bitcoin's value proposition would be much weaker.

It's nice to see some recognition from the banksters re: "store of value" though. JP Morgan made this comparison in 2017, now the FED. How far we've come...
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Lawmakers also mentioned their uneasiness regarding bitcoin’s possible long-term challenge to replace the U.S. dollar as the world reserve currency.

https://bitcoinist.com/federal-reserve-chairman-jerome-powell-bitcoin-a-store-of-value-like-gold/

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