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Yeah that is what I am probably most excited about, seeing what Zach Lavine can do with a legitimate roster around him. If he can't get them to a decent playoff seed then it will show he is not the super star that some ( or he ) believes that he is or is becoming. To actually win a championship we would still need another super star, but this is certainly a good start for him. I have to imagine if he plays well this year he will be offered a max contract..but we shall see.

He is even trying to showcase what he is capable of in Olympics. Just recently, USA won and Zach Lavine's steals was on the spotlight for turning the game over.
I think he got 2-3 steals + airplane dunks on that game against Australia.

Yeah I guess to an extent he is, but the Olympics aren't near the competition that the actual NBA is. If we are being honest most of these teams would lose to the better teams in the NBA pretty handedly. Lavine is going to need to step it up in the regular season NBA games to show that he is more than just a scorer but a consistent scorer, leader, defender etc. Now that he has a legitimate team around him I very excited to see how he deals with having a bunch of other solid players around him.

I just want to share this picture that was shared in our Facebook GC.

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This Lakers lineup is better than the starting 5 of the current team USA, if this Laker team will play, they can easily win the championship and will never give France a chance to even close in the scoring. Would you agree with my statement here?

I am not sure I can agree with you guys here on this one. Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard are a shell of their former selves. I’ll take Durant over Lebron right now, I’ll take Lillard over Westbrook, I’ll take Tatum over Carmelo and I’ll take Adebayo over Howard. Its going to be a solid team but let’s not forget Lebron is on the tail end of his career along with Melo and Howard. Also Anthony Davis can’t stay healthy to save his life. I’ll take the Nets over these guys I think.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 09, 2021, 07:26:53 PM

Lebron James kicking and picking his own players to play with like they are flowers in the field while they are not even his own land and he didn't water them.

Uhmm. Wrong info.
LeBron didn't own no team. The Lakers have their own management that manages their team and players. How do you think a player could do this?
What LeBron has, is influence. He can name players he want to surround him, but the decision will always be in the management's favour, not LeBron's.
Isn't it his fault If LeBron has enough influence and so much value that he could dictate what the management should do and actually follows them?
Besides, these superstars who came after LeBron knows who can bring them ring before they retire. From Miami, Cleveland, and Lakers.

That's Lebron, we can't change him as when he started his career in the NBA, he becomes a star already and he is very consistent with his individual performance and achievement. He was very smart to leave the Cavaliers and joined a superteam as he really won a championship, and that is added to his portfolio as a star player.

Lebron has won the following.
Regular season MVP.
Finals MVP.
and championship from different teams.

there's a lot of haters of Lebron here, but it's normal.

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Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 11:36:32 AM

He turned down the offer because he wants more money. That's no secret. If the offer somehow is $100M for four years, surely he will accept it. Do you really think there are teams who can offer that kind of money to him? Before landing at the Lakers, he is not even a special piece on OKC and only played 14 and 2 times as a starter respectively for 2 seasons.

Transferring to Celtics, he is only projected to have $9 to $10 a year. See what kind of offer he wasted on the Lakers if he sets aside his ego. Anyways, to make it more clear, let's wait for the final contract if ever Celtics will sign him.

I don't have to argue with that as there are two different sides of the story, and we don't know who is telling the truth.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/6/29/22556754/lakers-free-agency-rumors-dennis-schroder-contract-demands-120-million-offer

$120 Million salary for a player who scored 0 points in one of their playoff games last year?? I only thought that the 76ers management are the only greedy ones when they demanded too much on Golden State when they want to trade Simmons but it seems to me that even Schroder is also a greedy player. Ohh I think the term greedy is wrong so lets change it into "his ego is very high that he can't see his performance last playoffs". Cheesy

Take note that Julius Randle has a salary of $117 Million for 4 years and he is also an All-star last season and Schroder demanded a higher salary than him whereas in terms of performance last season, its pretty obvious that Randle did better than him. Nothing to say but good luck to him in finding a team that can give him that amount of salary.

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^^ Yeah, being the defending champ and only rank 3rd as the favorite, doesn't make sense.

They have beaten obviously the Nets with KD playing. Anyway, I do agree that it will be another exciting season, the battle for the first spot in both conference will be down to wire again. There are still a lot of key players moving, but for sure, teams are getting better. And just like we all been waiting last year to see KD, Irving and Harden, now all eyes are in the Lakers.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 09, 2021, 07:26:53 PM

Lebron James kicking and picking his own players to play with like they are flowers in the field while they are not even his own land and he didn't water them.

Uhmm. Wrong info.
LeBron didn't own no team. The Lakers have their own management that manages their team and players. How do you think a player could do this?
What LeBron has, is influence. He can name players he want to surround him, but the decision will always be in the management's favour, not LeBron's.
Isn't it his fault If LeBron has enough influence and so much value that he could dictate what the management should do and actually follows them?
Besides, these superstars who came after LeBron knows who can bring them ring before they retire. From Miami, Cleveland, and Lakers.

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Quote from: Obito on August 10, 2021, 06:53:04 AM

The trades this season are so awesome, it feels like we will see another team being crowned as the new champion, the current Lakers line up seems to be good but there's a lot of things missing for them.

Here's the betting odds for NBA championship in the next season. Lakers is current 2nd to the nets as the favorites to win.

https://www.nba.com/nbabet/nba-title-odds-nets-lakers-early-betting-favorites-for-2022-season

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2022 NBA Title Odds
Odds as of July 21 via DraftKings

TEAM   ODDS
Nets   +210
Lakers   +450
Bucks   +800

The defending champ is +800, it's the same lineup, so I think they are undervalued here.

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The trades this season are so awesome, it feels like we will see another team being crowned as the new champion, the current Lakers line up seems to be good but there's a lot of things missing for them.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 09, 2021, 07:26:53 PM

Guys, guys. It's no question they all have the attitude. Grin

Men's ego and pride. How much more when they become a superstar?
Lebron James kicking and picking his own players to play with like they are flowers in the field while they are not even his own land and he didn't water them.
Schroder thinks he is a star and no doubt Lebron thinks the same way and their egos are battling on the shadows. This happened with IT (Isaiah Thomas) too while he was in Cleveland.
Celtics will not be as bad of a drop point for Schroder. Brown's wrist injury may need some rehabilitation to avoid going back. He could be a good wingman for Tatum if that happens or be the best bench player and finally seal that Sixth Man of the Year award and boost his worth. (runner-up OKC 2019-2020)

This topic has become so exciting, now only the Celtics are interested in him and the offer was only a 1 year deal for a contract less than $10 million, that's very low compared to the amount he could have received if he accepts the contract extension with the Lakers.

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I guess all I understand upon reading it fast is that there's no legal liability, so this trade will not be cancelled but they might just pay a monetary penalty in proven guilty.

This was the most interesting part from the article you shared.

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No matter what happens, though, this much is clear: even those who want to stick to the rules will be compelled to walk the fine line considering that the benefits far outweigh the costs.

And that's what the NBA had been targetting in the first place. The fine.
They've been spending a lot of money on these players and they didn't give a chip for NBA management.
It could've been silenced if they just did that.
On an optimistic view, it could be NBA is just trying to warn all the teams to follow the right time upon doing the trades. We will see if it did work on the next trade deadline.

I really don't see the actual but by reading your optimistic approach I would love to convinced myself that the process should be respected by
any teams inside this league and allow the time frame that being given to each teams and players to seal the deal in between.

NBA managements, aside from the fine money is also looking for some sort of respect. They implement the rules and every team and players

are not exempt and needs to follow the rules that they signed after participating to this organization.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 09, 2021, 06:00:00 AM

I guess all I understand upon reading it fast is that there's no legal liability, so this trade will not be cancelled but they might just pay a monetary penalty in proven guilty.

This was the most interesting part from the article you shared.

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No matter what happens, though, this much is clear: even those who want to stick to the rules will be compelled to walk the fine line considering that the benefits far outweigh the costs.

And that's what the NBA had been targetting in the first place. The fine.
They've been spending a lot of money on these players and they didn't give a chip for NBA management.
It could've been silenced if they just did that.
On an optimistic view, it could be NBA is just trying to warn all the teams to follow the right time upon doing the trades. We will see if it did work on the next trade deadline.

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The National Basket Association has opened an investigation to evaluate the possible violation of the so-called anti tampering rules during free agency. According to ESPN sources, the league's offices are looking into the sign and trade that brought Lonzo Ball to the Chicago Bulls and Kyle Lowry to the Miami Heat.
Sanctions against tampering were tightened only two years ago. In case of proven irregularity, fines up to 10M dollars are foreseen for the team, with possible charges against the guilty managers, possible subtraction of draft picks and invalidation of contracts.

Can you put more specifics regarding that rules, I can't follow what you are talking about, to be honest as I'm not aware of that rules. What do you mean by tampering? Who made the violation? the players, the managers, or the teams?

As far as I know, anti-tampering rule refers to team approaching players way before their contract expires with their respective teams. For instance Chicago might be talking to Lonzo Ball when he was still in contact with New Orleans before their actual sign and trade deal (I might be wrong with my interpretations though). And to add to add, the investigations might center on the player or the team itself.

cryptomaniac_xx explained that a bit.
mirakal when in doubt remember that google's your friend and by searching anti tampering rule nba the following results were available
https://www.bworldonline.com/nba-anti-tampering-rules/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-investigating-lonzo-ball-kyle-lowry-sign-and-trades-for-possible-tampering/ar-AAN3xoX
As NBA fans we all got to know this rule as there have been plenty of strange cases around that.
I hope these two links will help.

I guess all I understand upon reading it fast is that there's no legal liability, so this trade will not be cancelled but they might just pay a monetary penalty in proven guilty.

This was the most interesting part from the article you shared.

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No matter what happens, though, this much is clear: even those who want to stick to the rules will be compelled to walk the fine line considering that the benefits far outweigh the costs.

The French say C'est la vie.
I don't think we're naive enough to believe in a world made up only of rules that are followed, right?
It's a striking representation of the fact that, very often, the more money you have the more things you can afford to do or not do.
In this case, you consciously go against the rules knowing that the benefits far outweigh the costs.
Again, c'est la vie.

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Guys, guys. It's no question they all have the attitude. Grin

Men's ego and pride. How much more when they become a superstar?
Lebron James kicking and picking his own players to play with like they are flowers in the field while they are not even his own land and he didn't water them.
Schroder thinks he is a star and no doubt Lebron thinks the same way and their egos are battling on the shadows. This happened with IT (Isaiah Thomas) too while he was in Cleveland.
Celtics will not be as bad of a drop point for Schroder. Brown's wrist injury may need some rehabilitation to avoid going back. He could be a good wingman for Tatum if that happens or be the best bench player and finally seal that Sixth Man of the Year award and boost his worth. (runner-up OKC 2019-2020)

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Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 02:15:32 AM

As far as Vogel goes, he didn't give Dwight Howard a precious time during the big man's tenure in the 2020 Bubble. He just becomes a starter a couple of times. The same experience happens in his Philadelphia Sixers tenure last season where he only started 6 times. That's one of the reasons why Howard's overall stats that year is far from his average or I considered it low. I'm not really expecting this guy to be one of the assets of the Lakers this upcoming season but since he's a Center and the Lakers are lacking it, he is a good backup.

About Melo, I'm sure he will be more utilized. Vogel must try giving him more playing time as he still has it and his shooting stroke is still good as we have seen in his former team, Portland Trail Blazers. Another good backup role right from the bench.

I totally agree with you, unfortunately these days Howard will be a great reserve for AD (even AD playing as PF and C).
I hope we don't see that scene in the 2012/13 or 14 season (I can't remember exactly) where the Lakers had Nash(PG), Kobe(SG), Meta World Peace (SF), Pau Gasol (PF) and Howard (C), they create a excelent team to fight on equal terms against the Heat in that time (LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen and others players), but amazingly, this Lakers team was a real fiasco.

I sincerely hope Howard can perform better in the Lakers than his last appearance on the team.

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That's what I'm talking about, if the Lakers did not offer him the amount he expected, I don't think other teams will make an aggressive offer. With the Lakers, maybe his potential was not yet maximized because he played the same position as Lebron, Dennis Schröder is a point guard so the team has to fully utilize him.

I doubt any team will match the contract offered by the Lakers which was eventually declined by Schroder.

It's a gamble and instead of using much cap space, teams will instead sign a much better-established player. He is expecting a much better and good contract on the free agency and I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't accept the contract extension with the Lakers.

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I still don't get why they care about these, it is common and known. Plus, why do we even have tampering rules? Any team should be able to talk with any player, if the player wants to go there then they will have an agreement for the summer, if the player doesn't want to then they will not do it anyway. Just because you put a deadline there and tell players and teams not to talk until that moment doesn't really change anything, and doesn't even properly make sense, you are basically limiting their freedom by doing that.

What happens if a player and team speaks on April about the upcoming free agency of that player, if you remove the tampering rule then EVERY team would be able to do that, hence they will be both free and also equal to each other as well. Never really understood this tampering accusations and that is why none of this makes sense to me.

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Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 12:39:41 PM

The argument will be invalid because we can't compare Irving's experience to the case of Schroder. And their gap is very different. I don't really see how it ends up in the issue that Schroder doesn't like to play with Lebron so he turned down a decent offer.

There was no argument on the attitude of the players as we only gave our own opinion or speculation on that matter, they are the only ones who know what they think, our only basis is the story and reports we read online.

Let's stick to the main issue, and it was the report that Dennis Schroder declined the offer of the Lakers and you said it's because he wants more money but as per the report that I posted above and I like to post it again, Dennis Schroder denied that money is the main reason.

Quote from: stadus on August 09, 2021, 12:12:22 PM

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/6/29/22556754/lakers-free-agency-rumors-dennis-schroder-contract-demands-120-million-offer

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In March, Schröder reportedly turned down a four-year, $84 million contract extension from the Lakers. Schröder denied that money was the reason his extension talks with the Lakers broke down in his exit interview in June, but recent comments from the Vice President of the German Basketball Federation, Armin Andres, suggest that was only partially true (h/t TalkBasket.net):

As you can see, Dennis Schroder already denied it, so there's no reason to spread the rumors that he wants bigger money.

Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 12:39:41 PM

This is going nowhere lol. I don't admire Lebron and that was out of the context to include that story in our discussion about Schroder turning down the offer. Like to have an exchange discussion without a hatred feeling toward a player.

I was replying to the comment of Baofeng, and you replied to my comment as well but you mix up your reply, and I think I was able to express my opinion on the comparison of the attitudes of the players and on the main issue which is money.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 09, 2021, 11:08:52 AM

Yeah, it seems that Dennis has some attitude to say the least to turn down the offer from Lakers, or he doesn't really wanted to play with Lebron or AD.

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Quote from: stadus on August 09, 2021, 12:12:22 PM

I'm comparing the stars of Celtics and Lebron James, because they have different kind of leadership and it will always affect the ego of their teammates if they feel they don't get the kind of respect they deserve. I just think that Lebron had some attitude problem too as back in Cleveland, there's a rumor that he influence the management to fired David Blatt, and have you wondered why Irving left Cleveland which makes the team shitty afterward?

Do you mean Schroder feels he was disrespected by Lebron so instead of accepting the $80+ million offer, he insists on it? Irving too has an attitude problem. I think more than Lebron. That attitude problem of Irving is noticed more when he is on Celtics and outside the basketball world.

Cleveland Cavaliers didn't become a shitty team after Irving leaves. They reached the Finals on that season for their 4th Finals appearance with the Golden State Warriors although they got swept. Cheesy

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Quote from: stadus on August 09, 2021, 12:12:22 PM

I'm comparing the stars of Celtics and Lebron James, because they have different kind of leadership and it will always affect the ego of their teammates if they feel they don't get the kind of respect they deserve. I just think that Lebron had some attitude problem too as back in Cleveland, there's a rumor that he influence the management to fired David Blatt, and have you wondered why Irving left Cleveland which makes the team shitty afterward?

The argument will be invalid because we can't compare Irving's experience to the case of Schroder. And their gap is very different. I don't really see how it ends up in the issue that Schroder doesn't like to play with Lebron so he turned down a decent offer.

Playing with the Celtics, he will still be the second option next to Tatum and Brown as the main guy. And these guys are currently on prime.

Also found on the article you shared: “My first year in OKC was tough. I played with Russ and PG. And then my second year, I felt comfortable. Now, I’m in my first year with the top-two players in the world and the best player who’s every played this game, probably, and for me, it’s just about being in a comfort zone, feeling comfortable.

It clears he wants to be the main man, at least, that's why he tries to step up for the Lakers when James and AD got injured last season. But transferring to Celtics if ever, there will be no change. It doesn't mean that Kemba is now out for the Celtics, he will be the replacement.

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And would you still admire Lebron after reading this?

Pat Riley Reveals That LeBron James Wanted Erik Spoelstra Fired in 2010

This is going nowhere lol. I don't admire Lebron and that was out of the context to include that story in our discussion about Schroder turning down the offer. Like to have an exchange discussion without a hatred feeling toward a player.

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Well, that's true but Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as Lebron who can demand on who's going to be his teammates and can even demand on who is going to be his coach. Maybe one of the reasons is he doesn't want to play with Bron of we called the king.

What's the connection of Lebron James can demand who's going to be his teammates or anything lol.

He turned down the offer because he wants more money. That's no secret. If the offer somehow is $100M for four years, surely he will accept it. Do you really think there are teams who can offer that kind of money to him? Before landing at the Lakers, he is not even a special piece on OKC and only played 14 and 2 times as a starter respectively for 2 seasons.

Transferring to Celtics, he is only projected to have $9 to $10 a year. See what kind of offer he wasted on the Lakers if he sets aside his ego. Anyways, to make it more clear, let's wait for the final contract if ever Celtics will sign him.

I think it's more on maximising a contract, but the problem is that he ain't that caliber of a player to demand that huge contract specially in a team laden already with superstars like Lebron James. So yes, he should step aside his ego and instead try to chase a ring with the Lakers with less money. Do Schröder thinks he is worth $80 million, absolutely, but do teams value him that much? I don't think so.

He's trying but with that kind of performances last season I doubt that there's a team that will spend much for him, with that amount they can land a star caliber player that they can build around their stars.

If there's none I also see that Lakers won't offer the same contract as they already bring stars that they need to allocate their caps.

Seems like instead of having a good paycheck, he will have no other choice but to take the higher offer for his service.

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Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 11:36:32 AM

Quote from: stadus on August 09, 2021, 11:19:38 AM

Well, that's true but Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as Lebron who can demand on who's going to be his teammates and can even demand on who is going to be his coach. Maybe one of the reasons is he doesn't want to play with Bron of we called the king.

What's the connection of Lebron James can demand who's going to be his teammates or anything lol.

I'm comparing the stars of Celtics and Lebron James, because they have different kind of leadership and it will always affect the ego of their teammates if they feel they don't get the kind of respect they deserve. I just think that Lebron had some attitude problem too as back in Cleveland, there's a rumor that he influence the management to fired David Blatt, and have you wondered why Irving left Cleveland which makes the team shitty afterward?

here's the statement of Irving, and he doesn't want to play with Lebron anymore.
source

Quote from: harizen on August 09, 2021, 11:36:32 AM

He turned down the offer because he wants more money. That's no secret. If the offer somehow is $100M for four years, surely he will accept it. Do you really think there are teams who can offer that kind of money to him? Before landing at the Lakers, he is not even a special piece on OKC and only played 14 and 2 times as a starter respectively for 2 seasons.

Transferring to Celtics, he is only projected to have $9 to $10 a year. See what kind of offer he wasted on the Lakers if he sets aside his ego. Anyways, to make it more clear, let's wait for the final contract if ever Celtics will sign him.

I don't have to argue with that as there are two different sides of the story, and we don't know who is telling the truth.

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/6/29/22556754/lakers-free-agency-rumors-dennis-schroder-contract-demands-120-million-offer

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In March, Schröder reportedly turned down a four-year, $84 million contract extension from the Lakers. Schröder denied that money was the reason his extension talks with the Lakers broke down in his exit interview in June, but recent comments from the Vice President of the German Basketball Federation, Armin Andres, suggest that was only partially true (h/t TalkBasket.net):

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