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Topic: 2022-01-25 CNBC - Drop bitcoin as legal tender, IMF urges El Salvador (Read 231 times)

legendary
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AFAIK,the US dollar is still a legal tender in El Salvador,as well as Bitcoin.
I think this is the underlying root cause of concerns over El Salvador having bitcoin as legal tender. Most countries either issue their own currency or accept dollars as currency. There are no countries except El Salvador that accept a currency other than the US Dollar that they do not issue. If the dollar stops being the world reserve currency, the IMF stands to lose power.

You true bro, I think the interest factor from other countries, especially America is the hidden reason if Salvador adoption of bitcoin gets a rejection from the IMF, even though the current performance of the IMF is still under American interference, so when Salvador adopted bitcoin of course it made America a little depressed due to Salvador slowly wants to leave the use of dollars in the country.
The IMF is not influenced by American interests (even though it is funded in large part by the US government). The issue is that the IMF lends US dollars and the IMF influences governments it lends to. This arrangement is possible due to the US dollar's status as the world reserve currency. IF the US dollar loses its world reserve currency status, the IMF loses its influence.

I would also add that I think the issue also goes even deeper:  the issue is that many of the policies that the IMF espouses are not pro-liberty, but pro-authoritarianism or anti-freedom.  Things like taking on huge amounts of debt by a country, not having a stable currency, having high tax rates, huge regulatory states, etc are bad ideas for a country.  Countries that have all those things will have low growth rates leading to the people of the country suffering forever.
legendary
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so when Salvador adopted bitcoin of course it made America a little depressed due to Salvador slowly wants to leave the use of dollars in the country.

I could be wrong, but I don't think El Salvador's plan was to completely move away from the US Dollar.  Fiat will likely always have its uses when it comes to things like loans and mortgages.  Bitcoin is great for many applications, but lending arguably isn't one of its strengths.

It's about having the best of both worlds (or, at least, that's my assumption anyway).

I think you are right.  The move was about freedom and choice.  Let people have the liberty to make a decision for themselves as opposed to having it forced upon them from some centralized entity:  the citizens of El Salvador can figure out what is the safest way to store the value that they produce.
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AFAIK,the US dollar is still a legal tender in El Salvador,as well as Bitcoin.
I think this is the underlying root cause of concerns over El Salvador having bitcoin as legal tender. Most countries either issue their own currency or accept dollars as currency. There are no countries except El Salvador that accept a currency other than the US Dollar that they do not issue. If the dollar stops being the world reserve currency, the IMF stands to lose power.

You true bro, I think the interest factor from other countries, especially America is the hidden reason if Salvador adoption of bitcoin gets a rejection from the IMF, even though the current performance of the IMF is still under American interference, so when Salvador adopted bitcoin of course it made America a little depressed due to Salvador slowly wants to leave the use of dollars in the country.
The IMF is not influenced by American interests (even though it is funded in large part by the US government). The issue is that the IMF lends US dollars and the IMF influences governments it lends to. This arrangement is possible due to the US dollar's status as the world reserve currency. IF the US dollar loses its world reserve currency status, the IMF loses its influence.
legendary
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so when Salvador adopted bitcoin of course it made America a little depressed due to Salvador slowly wants to leave the use of dollars in the country.

I could be wrong, but I don't think El Salvador's plan was to completely move away from the US Dollar.  Fiat will likely always have its uses when it comes to things like loans and mortgages.  Bitcoin is great for many applications, but lending arguably isn't one of its strengths.

It's about having the best of both worlds (or, at least, that's my assumption anyway).
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AFAIK,the US dollar is still a legal tender in El Salvador,as well as Bitcoin.
I think this is the underlying root cause of concerns over El Salvador having bitcoin as legal tender. Most countries either issue their own currency or accept dollars as currency. There are no countries except El Salvador that accept a currency other than the US Dollar that they do not issue. If the dollar stops being the world reserve currency, the IMF stands to lose power.

You true bro, I think the interest factor from other countries, especially America is the hidden reason if Salvador adoption of bitcoin gets a rejection from the IMF, even though the current performance of the IMF is still under American interference, so when Salvador adopted bitcoin of course it made America a little depressed due to Salvador slowly wants to leave the use of dollars in the country.
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AFAIK,the US dollar is still a legal tender in El Salvador,as well as Bitcoin.
I think this is the underlying root cause of concerns over El Salvador having bitcoin as legal tender. Most countries either issue their own currency or accept dollars as currency. There are no countries except El Salvador that accept a currency other than the US Dollar that they do not issue. If the dollar stops being the world reserve currency, the IMF stands to lose power.
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The IMF already threatened not to give any more loans to El Salvador when they announced that they are going to accept Bitcoin as a legal tender. It is clear that they are seeing that El Salvador are serious with their acceptance of Bitcoin as a legal tender and they are also seeing that it is succeeding and other countries want to do the same. (Example : Tonga)

The IMF are shit scared that this will happen in other countries and that they would lose their death grip on these nations. Their strategy has always been to use debt to control things in other countries, because they know they have that power over them.  Angry
legendary
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Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything else from the IMF.  They effectively have no choice but to apply pressure.  Of course, I'm certainly not saying I want them to succeed, but I can appreciate their hands are tied.  I mean, could you imagine the headlines if the IMF came out in support of nations who adopt BTC as legal tender?  They can't be seen to be in that position.
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AFAIK,the US dollar is still a legal tender in El Salvador,as well as Bitcoin.
The people of El Salvador have a choice between USD and BTC and nobody is forcing them to use Bitcoin in their daily life.
The bureaucrats at the International Monetary Fund can't impose decisions on an independent country.
El Salvador might be a small and underdeveloped country,but they are still independent and they can decide which currency to accept as a legal tender and whether or not to decline a currency as a legal tender.

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What to expect from the IMF other than to be consistent with its policy - I therefore do not see anything strange in what they are saying now - because this is their position since the moment El Salvador publicly announced its decision. The problem, of course, is that El Salvador can't sit on two chairs at the same time, and the IMF literally tells them "choose Bitcoin or our loan," while Bukele tries to balance the two.

The question is how much that $1+ billion means in the overall picture for the El Salvador economy, and might it not be better to look for that money elsewhere on more favorable terms?
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The International Monetary Fund is pushing El Salvador to ditch bitcoin as legal tender, according to a statement released on Tuesday.

It sounds like the IMF is running scared.  Of course they want El Salvador to drop bitcoin because it takes control from the surveillance state kleptocrats and puts it in the hands of people.  Does El Salvador want to eventually be free of the international control freaks or does it want to be under their thumbs in perpetuity?


The CNBC article:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/25/drop-bitcoin-as-legal-tender-imf-urges-el-salvador.html

IMF:
https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2022/01/25/pr2213-el-salvador-imf-executive-board-concludes-2021-article-iv-consultation
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