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November 10, 2024, 01:20:21 AM
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Just reliving this old thread of mine,  Grin

And it seems that in the beginning, there are a lot of skepticism, but in the end for me it could be the sticking point for some Americans to vote for Trump because of his friendly and pro-crypto stance.
You are not wrong. In fact, a lot of Americans voted for Trump solely for his stance on bitcoin/crypto as a whole. To me, focusing on just one aspect or issue is not the best way to choose a president but well I am not an American and I am only a crypto enthusiast. If they think that crypto friendly policies of Trump will be worth it then we can only sit back and watch how can Trump implement his promises.

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November 09, 2024, 05:05:22 PM
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Just reliving this old thread of mine,  Grin

And it seems that in the beginning, there are a lot of skepticism, but in the end for me it could be the sticking point for some Americans to vote for Trump because of his friendly and pro-crypto stance.

So the next question is how he will move forward with all his promises?
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This is all political. When Trump says he is pro-crypto, it doesn’t really mean he is for it. And when Biden is not so pro-crypto at some points, it doesn’t mean he is against it. Remember that the US has some giant crypto exchanges, a lot of crypto users, crypto taxes, etc., none of the candidates are against crypto because of that, and/or are really pro-crypto because they need to prioritize the dollar too. They are all the same, promising this and that just for their own interests.

Don’t be fooled by political words and never make their promises for the crypto world your decision to vote for them. Vote based on your conscience.
Taking into account the ease at which politicians can lie, it is way more reasonable to assume that everything they say is not true and not change this stance until they have taken steps to demonstrate with their actions they were not lying, and even if it is obvious this is a maneuver to gain votes, this also sends an important message, that this market is so influential on the US and the topic itself is considered to be that important, that now political parties must at least lie about it to try to gain an election, which makes me think that at some point on the near future a US president could at least take some steps towards this market, so they can keep the support of those voters during the upcoming elections.

They just see that their opponent is anti and take advantage the opportunity to gain a lot of votes then this is the result of those actions they have done. If they would able to follow what they say on their campaign then provably he can earn a lot more praises and support to people. But if they just became another trash politicians which only good at saying those things when they need vote for sure by next time they ask the votes of people they will never get that and people would totally ignore them.

But lets hope for the best since if Trump follow all what he say then provably it will bring some nice opportunity to crypto, maybe to get more legal acceptance to other first world countries. This is huge development to happen those what we hope will came true.
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The only pro-crypto candidates this year are  *Trump/Vance*

The other candidate wants to squash it, and is illegally using his arm of governance to raid and arrest people!

Ya, tough choice right here!
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This is all political. When Trump says he is pro-crypto, it doesn’t really mean he is for it. And when Biden is not so pro-crypto at some points, it doesn’t mean he is against it. Remember that the US has some giant crypto exchanges, a lot of crypto users, crypto taxes, etc., none of the candidates are against crypto because of that, and/or are really pro-crypto because they need to prioritize the dollar too. They are all the same, promising this and that just for their own interests.

Don’t be fooled by political words and never make their promises for the crypto world your decision to vote for them. Vote based on your conscience.
Taking into account the ease at which politicians can lie, it is way more reasonable to assume that everything they say is not true and not change this stance until they have taken steps to demonstrate with their actions they were not lying, and even if it is obvious this is a maneuver to gain votes, this also sends an important message, that this market is so influential on the US and the topic itself is considered to be that important, that now political parties must at least lie about it to try to gain an election, which makes me think that at some point on the near future a US president could at least take some steps towards this market, so they can keep the support of those voters during the upcoming elections.
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Trump has definitely got my vote and he's had it long before he started backing Bitcoin. Anyone who is even entertaining the idea of voting for Biden needs to get a health check up and a couple doses of wake the fuck up pills because shiiiiiiiiiit its bad folks. What ya'll are seeing on TV of Biden right now is extremely embarrassing for our country and its not how things ought to be, Biden is a complete and utter disgrace and the only way he makes it back in office is if he cheats his ass off, which they will try, they always do.


That's what I keep trying to say here. People are going to vote for Trump because they want abortion to be illegal nationwide. The will vote for Biden because they want to keep it legal. Things like Bitcoin, or personality, or even the relative health of these two very old candidates doesn't matter.

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I'm not a US citizen, but just want to share you this,



https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/be/beb1a388-1d88-4389-a67d-c1e2d7f8bedf/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Go to page 9 and you will see what I mean, obviously, they are on the opposite side of the Biden and Democratic government so they will be against everything the current government has to say including everything related to crypto.

and this issue could be the breaking point that might sway voters to Donald J. Trump.

So are you willing to "Make America Great again"?

Trump has definitely got my vote and he's had it long before he started backing Bitcoin. Anyone who is even entertaining the idea of voting for Biden needs to get a health check up and a couple doses of wake the fuck up pills because shiiiiiiiiiit its bad folks. What ya'll are seeing on TV of Biden right now is extremely embarrassing for our country and its not how things ought to be, Biden is a complete and utter disgrace and the only way he makes it back in office is if he cheats his ass off, which they will try, they always do.
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Also, there is a speculation that the Biden administration allowed many migrants to enter the American border because they will use them for the election heheheh.


This is an old trope that is as false as it is racist. Republicans are really getting scared if they have to dig these old lies up from the dead.



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But I understand that people have different political views, and if you're someone who supports the things mentioned above plus also a pro-Bitcoin person, it makes sense to vote for Trump.

However, I am certain that the supporters of Biden who are also cryptoholders in America should not be selfish similar to what @NotATether has suggested. They might be taking a risk on losing profit on their cryptocoins and tokens but everyone can be quite certain that the American economy will be much better under Biden than under Trump.

Biden will be bad for the cryptospace, good for the country. Do not think only of yourselves and your collection of coins and tokens.

On committing the largest deportation in history, this might be because these illegal migrants are beginning to be a problem for the country. The government is in a difficult situation because the migrants do not pay taxes needed to spend on these migrants. The taxpayers are paying for everything.

Also, there is a speculation that the Biden administration allowed many migrants to enter the American border because they will use them for the election heheheh.



Democrats have scheme to register illegal immigrants to vote

That became clear Monday when the White House threatened to veto legislation intended to close a loophole allowing illegal aliens to register to vote. The loophole was created by what is known as the motor voter law, which forced states to allow mail-in voter registration in 1993.

All one has to do is check a box that says “Are you a citizen of the United States of America?” on a federal form to be signed up. Though the form asks for more information, it’s optional.

While noncitizen voting is illegal, there’s no way to know when it happens.


Read in full https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/10/editorial-democrats-have-scheme-to-register-illega/
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What's the status of the document the op is sharing? Is that the official Republican Party's vision, or is it something done by a part of Republicans? I'll assume it's an important representation of what Trump's political vision is about.
So the first two points are about migration, with the second one literally saying that they commit to carrying out the largest deportation in the US history (p. 4). I mean, I don't know about you, but deportation is not considered something to be proud of in my country, and I don't think it's a good intention. A few more points are on migrants (migration crime epidemic and deporting 'pro-hamas radicals' in colleges).
I'm not a US citizen, but those sound like very right-wing policies to me, and I'd never vote for a party that is pushing such an agenda, no matter what their position on cryptos is.
But I understand that people have different political views, and if you're someone who supports the things mentioned above plus also a pro-Bitcoin person, it makes sense to vote for Trump.
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I don't like Joe Biden's "AI regulation" draft which wants to place restrictions on compute hardware and platforms (and I obviously don't like the anti-crypto policies), but the average American is going to suffer under a second Trump term.

So now's not the time to be selfish.


Agreed, now is certainly not the time to be selfish for Americans. They should think of their country and vote for Biden. It is also time to accept reality that because of the government's anticrypto crackdowns and regulations, the cryptospace might presently not be for the American people if they do not feel the necessity to fight for this right. This is okay for the people who are not under the jurisdiction of America because we can certainly continue to enjoy the cryptospace and gamble on cryptocoins and tokens heheheh.
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In any case, it appears that some services in the cryptospace will begin to declare independence from uncle Gary and the SEC. I reckon they should declare independence from the IRS also hehehehehhh.


LOL, all he's doing here is declaring his fealty to Donald Trump if he's elected, whom will extract $billions from this bozo in exchange to keep operating an illegal operation. He's begging for banana republic, and he should be careful what he wishes for.

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I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.
What I saw there is too good to be true, no where in the world has the government taking their attention away from complete surveillance from citizens transactions. This is politicians just been desperate to capture power and as opportunists they just know the right trending attraction  to use under the right circumstance.

I am not an American citizen either, but I do have the guts that the Republican under Trump have greater positive intent for crypto than any other party right now, it's possible that they can grant right to citizen to self custody of asset but what am not very convinced about is that, if they will be willing to grant that free surveillance and regulation of transactions without including hiding clauses should they eventually capture state power. Politicians are never straightforward with words.
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I don't like Joe Biden's "AI regulation" draft which wants to place restrictions on compute hardware and platforms (and I obviously don't like the anti-crypto policies), but the average American is going to suffer under a second Trump term.

So now's not the time to be selfish.
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There is much skepticism in this thread heehheh. However, it is the correct assessment. We should not be very ready to trust these candidates or these people in government. They have been there lying to their people and the few of us who begin to ask questions and become skeptical are being called conspiracy theorists as if these theories came from our own minds.

It is because the government has been lying to us repeatedly is what caused these conspiracy theories hehehehe.

In any case, it appears that some services in the cryptospace will begin to declare independence from uncle Gary and the SEC. I reckon they should declare independence from the IRS also hehehehehhh.



U.S.-based crypto intelligence platform Messari has declared independence from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). In a post on social media platform X on Sunday, Messari founder and CEO Ryan Selkis wrote:

I’ve declared independence from the SEC and its corrupt Chair Gary Gensler. In the months ahead, Messari will be operationalizing a war against this illegitimate and corrupt agency.

He also shared a draft that will be “polished, improved, then sent to the SEC and Congress.” The draft explains that modern technologies have rendered the SEC’s functions redundant and that the agency now primarily serves its own interests rather than those of the public or the markets it regulates. Additionally, Messari stated, “SEC Chair Gary Gensler is not only incompetent, but corrupt.”

The firm added:

Messari will no longer engage with the SEC in any formal or informal capacities until it is reformed and its leadership changed. We now treat the SEC as a hostile adversary, competitor, and superfluous regulator.


Read in full https://news.bitcoin.com/messari-declares-independence-from-sec-calls-chair-gensler-incompetent-and-corrupt/
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This is all political. When Trump says he is pro-crypto, it doesn’t really mean he is for it. And when Biden is not so pro-crypto at some points, it doesn’t mean he is against it. Remember that the US has some giant crypto exchanges, a lot of crypto users, crypto taxes, etc., none of the candidates are against crypto because of that, and/or are really pro-crypto because they need to prioritize the dollar too. They are all the same, promising this and that just for their own interests.

Don’t be fooled by political words and never make their promises for the crypto world your decision to vote for them. Vote based on your conscience.
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So basically they are promising to maintain the status quo under President Biden.

This is very smart, since Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden.

What they don't tell you in the platform is that Trump represents a massive risk to the market:

1. He has promised to deport 5% of the US workforce immediately, which will severely disrupt the US economy and send investments like Bitcoin into the toilet.

2. He is promising to make abortion illegal nationwide (by default, for instance, in failing to defend against all of the frivolous lawsuits brought by the forced-birth faction). This will require a new police state like the US has not seen since the Prohibition (the Prohibition is the thing that created the FBI, for instance). Millions of women in the US get abortions every year and Republicans have vowed to stop every one of these "murders" as they have called them for decades, which of course means cracking down on the "murderers".  New Police State = Crackdown on Crypto because anything that allows people to make payments while evading the government will be a target for such a police state.

3. Donald Trump is a convicted criminal with a decades-long history of prioritizing absolutely nothing but his own wealth accumulation. He presents a huge risk to Bitcoin since he could very easily make Bitcoin effectively illegal in the USA and substitute his own coin that he fully owns, yielding him billions. He could do this without Congress by simply directing some of his agencies to change the rules.

4. Donald Trump has a history of using his presidential pardoning power to free criminals who give him money. He pardoned Steven Bannon, who was convicted of ripping off Trump's own supporters, so Trump doesn't care what the criminal's crime is as long as they pay. That means Trump could be expected to free people like SBF if he's elected since he would surely have lots of money to give him. If the average retail investor gets wind that criminals are now free to rip them off, it will tank the price of Bitcoin because millions will flee the investment.


Bitcoin is under extreme risk if they Republicans win in November. The safe bet here is to stick with what has worked extremely well for the market in the last four years.



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He did surround himself with pro-crypto guys if I'm not mistaken in this first term. Although the US is law in terms of their crypto regulations during his tenure, but there are also no pro-crypto amendments that we have seen. In short ,they are in the middle and gray area.

And now, it's election time again, and what a better way to persuade the voters with his call for being a pro-crypto candidate unlike the current administration. It might be impactful, but this is not the only issues that might sway voters for Trump in my opinion. And for us, it doesn't matter who the US will vote as I think it will not put any dent on Bitcoin market.
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I REALLY wish this was true.  Reading the paragraphs from the Document, it seems however too good to be true.  Almost like a paragraph straight out of Bitcoin Talk from when we revolt against what the Governments try to do.  In consequence, I do not know what to say.  I personally am very skeptical about what they say would do.  I do have a feeling however that Cryptocurrency Laws in the United States will be way worse if Democrats win.  I am personally very politically neutral considering I do not live there, but after all the information I read in the past years this is how I see things.

Whether one or the other wins, I am very curious to see how things change in relation to Cryptocurrency Regulations.  I do not expect much from either of them any way.
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I am not also from there but I think that these kinds of proposals are normal as the election is approaching. They're politicians and don't forget about that.

I know that some may be realistic and might become a reality. But don't forget that these politicians will even sell their dignity just to get the votes that they want.

But let's see, whoever wins there, I hope that the agenda for the frontrunner candidates will be against the rumors of wars that we're all hearing every now and then and of course, as well as in favor of Bitcoin.
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Trump is trying to destroy everything America stands for, he's also a convicted criminal, a pathological liar, super corrupt, an idiot, and a horrendously bad human being.

Only idiots fall for this Trump crap.
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MDGA (Make Dollar Great Again)? Cheesy

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"Bitcoin, it just seems like a scam," Mr Trump said. "I don't like it because it's another currency competing against the dollar."
Donald Trump calls Bitcoin 'a scam against the dollar'

I don't know if I feel sorry or angry for those who still lick politicians' boots after all contradictions between speech and practice which have become undeniably evident along the years. Why do people continue fitting into this ridiculous dirty role of politician's sockpuppet? Is it an emotional deficiency? A necessity of belonging to a group to raise personal self-esteem?

It's actually shameful for a crypto enthusiast to donate money to Trump or even cheer about this "endorsement" his campaign is displaying towards Bitcoin after he called Bitcoin a scam, just because he saw it as a threat against his beloved Dollar currency.

There is no honor, no dignity. In other words, if you are against his interests you deserve being denigrated for that sole reason.
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We cannot conclude anything if they are just using it or they are really want to try new things that can help their economy to grow.
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Helping for the growth of the economy is a good thing, but it is a bad thing to take the support of people for their own interest, that is, all these politicians have the same basic goal that they do not fulfill the false promises to the people. During election times, people get ready to do everything that they usually don't even understand. ie cryptocurrency.
 
It means to say that these people play with people's emotions for their own interests. If you look, Donald Trump said some time ago, in 2021, that this Bitcoin is a useless and a scam that affects the value of dollars, and now that the time for the election has come, now he has made cryptocurrency a topic to get his vote among the people. Like trying to do that means making false promises to please these people that I will do this and that for Americans, and so on and so forth. I am 100% sure that he will not fulfill his promises as president, he is talking in favor of Bitcoin just to get votes. Please guide me if I am wrong.
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This will be one of the failed promises to the American citizens. I just feel this is the best way for the politicians to gain support by using one of the things the masses have ventured into to lure them into their traps. I am certain that most citizens over there are not foolish so they won't fall for this. Bitcoin should not be bait, however, it does not require government support or assistance to fully operate.
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I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.
Despite the fact that you are not an American just like me, their politics still affects all of us.

So, just vote for a party/candidate for their stance on crypto? Might as well have campaigned for McAfee then. Oh wait, people already did that.

Dems have had more individuals behind pro-crypto agendas than Reps, in my memory, anyway. I think what you're seeing isn't genuine support with underlying advocacy, rather, a ploy to sway votes.

Crypto really isn't the biggest issue for most people, never mind Americans.
There is a big chance that naive crypto enthusiasts will vote for Trump just for their stance on crypto but I believe that this is not the final image of their stance and there is a very high chance that they'll change their mind soon. It's laughable when I see Republicans will support the Americans to have the right to self-custody of their digital assets. Soon they might say that privacy is a right and mixers should be legal without KYC but that will change of course, this statement that's written in this PDF is a lure to my mind to get votes to win the election.
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I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.
Economic or crypto policies in the US always have a ripple effect on the global crypto market. An example is the fall of FTX and the approval of Spot Bitcoin ETF, which had an adverse and favorable impact on the global crypto industry. So every crypto fan should be concerned about the US election and its implications.

So are you willing to "Make America Great again"?
With the way Republicans are coming up with crypto-friendly manifestos, they might gain the support of the community. Trump had promised to commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht and promote Bitcoin mining. I don't trust politicians so I see it as a means of gaining the support of the young crypto population and also getting donations from crypto companies. Argentine President Javier Milei made so many promises during his campaign, but we have seen fewer actions after he won the elections.
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So are you willing to "Make America Great again"?

I will stand and remain on the side for the good of crypto, but unfortunately I'm not a US citizen, just like you.

I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.

That's what politics is like in the world these days, they just want votes, the problem of whether or not the plans they promised can be realized is another matter. US is a superpower country, whatever discussion there is will be a discussion for the world, so I think we need to pay attention to this, this narrative can bring the crypto market and Bitcoin to a better side. Even if in the end they forget their promises and plans, at least the digital footprint will be a witness to it all.

A snake can be trusted but not a politician.

Here you go!

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and this issue could be the breaking point that might sway voters to Donald J. Trump.

So are you willing to "Make America Great again"?
MAGA is not enough to make the America great again!

They need younger blood to renew their political system and have younger candidates for the President Election. It seems nothing will be changed for 2024 Election but hopefully next 4 years, the nation will find two better candidates for the 2028 Election.

It's unimaginable that a big country like this, with many talented people (I believe so), have to rely on and look at two old politicians to fight each other for the Presidency.

I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.
They will try to say many things, make many promises before the Election, but we know that politicians usually don't keep up their promises after they get elected. Both Biden and Trump will have a maximum 4 more years as a President and they no longer have to care what will happen after next 4 years. At least no second presidency after 2028 for them to think of.

If their propaganda for 2024 Election can help Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market, it's good but else, I am not surprised.

Trusting a politician or trusting their election manifesto, is the biggest mistake you can make in your life.
So true!
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Trusting a politician or trusting their election manifesto, is the biggest mistake you can make in your life. A snake can be trusted but not a politician. So don't trust anything you see there.

It's really required that the US enforcement agencies to stop targeting the crypto businesses and individuals. But it's really really difficult to say if it's going to happen in the future.
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I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.

It cannot be denied that politicians will despite all tricks and are willing to do anything as long as they can increase votes for them, they are really unreliable. But between someone who openly supports crypto and someone who is trying to suppress crypto, who should we support since we don't have a third option? I'm also not an American citizen and someone becoming president wouldn't affect me at all. But if someone is a cryptocurrency investor and also an American citizen, I think they will know who to choose to give that politician a chance as well as give themselves a chance to have a better future.

To vote for them, we need to evaluate many different factors, but if we ignore all of those factors and just look at the cryptocurrency aspect, there is no reason not to vote for Mr. Trump.
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I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.

We cannot conclude anything if they are just using it or they are really want to try new things that can help their economy to grow.

But its good that they show a support to crypto since there provably a good thing to happen if American citizens will vote to officials that show support and include bitcoin also crypto acceptance. If they use it to gain support to people who use crypto then I guess yes, they take advantage on situation since they know that this is the weak point of their opponent since lots of people got angry on Biden crypto crackdown policy. And that's what Republican maybe want to change to gain peoples support.
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I just want to get the clear believe that this people are not just using bitcoin or cryptocurrency as a means of getting their political ambition been fulfilled, this is not the first time politicians will be using various means to make their campaign and work for others to be able to vote for them, but either of the ways, whosoever won the presidential race will be given the trust to test their reliability, by then we shall see to know if they are really deceiving us or themselves, so let's still wait to see of things work out as expected for them by this.
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So, just vote for a party/candidate for their stance on crypto? Might as well have campaigned for McAfee then. Oh wait, people already did that.

Dems have had more individuals behind pro-crypto agendas than Reps, in my memory, anyway. I think what you're seeing isn't genuine support with underlying advocacy, rather, a ploy to sway votes.

Crypto really isn't the biggest issue for most people, never mind Americans.
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I am not American and I could really care less what their politics is like or who wins but I am pretty sure the mention of crypto and their plans to "defend" it are just a way to gain support from crypto enthusiasts. politicians love to say almost everything to gain support from the people and when they are finally voted into a seat they love to ignore what they promised.
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I'm not a US citizen, but just want to share you this,



https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/be/beb1a388-1d88-4389-a67d-c1e2d7f8bedf/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

Go to page 9 and you will see what I mean, obviously, they are on the opposite side of the Biden and Democratic government so they will be against everything the current government has to say including everything related to crypto.

and this issue could be the breaking point that might sway voters to Donald J. Trump.

So are you willing to "Make America Great again"?
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