Topic: 24 GPU RIG (Read 1772 times)

The new generation will have that HBC memory RX Vegas use, so they'll be good for other algos but not the current ones dominated by 10xx series

Why would you serf and trade from a dedicated mining rig? Especially from one that costs $30k? Running wallets on mining rigs is also not a good idea in general since you can't always trust new miner software and never know for sure that it's not infected with the code to steal your wallets.

Running a regular PC that also does mining — sure, in such a scenario I totally agree with you, put as good CPU/RAM/SSD in it as you want. But doing all those things you listed from a dedicated mining rig? I guess, if you have $30k for a rig like this, you can surely afford a proper desktop/laptop for general computing.

In my opinion, it's too late to invest so much in a huge rig of 1080ti. Not so much time left until the new generation of nvidia gpus will appear and they might make current cards obsolete, how it happened to 9xx cards.

I disagree.  Some miner machines like myself do run full node eth mist wallets and other staking coin wallets that requires a lot of hardrive space. 500 gb ssd is cheap and affordable now.

I also like to surf the web and do trading so having a decent enough cpu is nice while I'm still mining.

You would like to attract investment to your project but you don't show any photos of the hardware. There is no weblinks or something else information. What watercooling system do you use?

I can't agree with you more. mobos/cpu/ram/ssd should be the cheapest ones.

My equipment RX580 6x 4GB cost $ 2,500. Therefore, I can independently gather the same equipment for $ 10,000. You offer it for $ 30,000. Are you crazy? What you need to be an idiot to do it. No your idea is more like a Scam. Just stupid to make such suggestions on the forum where a lot of specialists in this business.

Yeah I watched that. He was mixing 8 NVidia Mining Cards with AMD (which did work fine). He never had a chance then, he does now.
Driver 188.00 Added 8+ NVidia GPU Support ... BUT -> There is always a BUT!

At the same time kinda broke the 1060 Mining cards with came with/tested with 185.xx driver (8 GPU max) but retail cards worked fine past 8

So I my initial test system, ASUS B250 Mining board I hooked up 8 MSI's, 9th card sketchy. All cards 16 (nvidias posted to BIOS no issues, really fast)

BUT, windows, even though they are the best for driver support (still cant get 188.0 for linux, i think) enumerates ALL cards every time.

So with spending time on with advanced support for a few week (ASUS, MSI, nVidia) I figured out that even though once the system was configured and actually mining (of course you really do not need much CPU/RAM/HDD) but you do need it for windows/nvidia driver configuration.

Therefor I decided to change CPU out for i7 7700k (from G4400) $330ish, bumped the RAM to 32GB (from and bump the SSD (samsung evo 120) to 512 (with swap file and windows I had very little space left) -> this added another $480 cost to the the system - a system with ~$19,200 worth of GPUS (2.5% of overall computing power cost increase) But it worked. You still have to start with 4 GPU,s wait, reboot, 4 more GPUs, wait, reboot, Then 1 GPU, wait, Reboot all the way through. It really does take all day to install 24 GPUs.

Then you have to turn off sync like GPUs in Afterburner and tweak each one individually. Good news is that you can set the CPU (all but 2 cores) to go ahead and mine as well (help make a little bit more and have the CPU/RAM/SSD pay for them selves ~400 days) while the ROI on the system itself is ~280 days. Not bad for a a GPU rig.

Plus look at it this way...If you went traditional way and used 3 each MB/CPU/RAM/SSD - it costs more than the $480 to just upgrade the base performance.


Anyway this system is dead for consumer sale. The response was, wow, negative to say the very least. I invested a lot of money and time over 3 months getting it to work. That was supposed to be offset by my batch of Baikal X10's that were supposed to be here in OCT 25th ish, delayed until NOV 15, and not i'm watching youtube videos of ASIC Miner Market mining with my (our) miners and still have no shipping confirmation. I have had to pull it apart to sell to pay Business AmEx bill. Doing that today. I dont know if Im going to setup it up as two 8 GPU systems or one 16 GPU system yet. But I will keep one 8 GPU system running for at least $37 ish/day until I recover and can build the new one.

The new one, despite the responses here will most likely just be 18 GPU powered by Intel i5 6600k, 16 GB RipJaw  RAM, 512 GB Samsung SSD  powered by four EVGA 1600W Titanium Power Supplies and completely Liquid Cooled. When completed, tested (30 days) I will get in touch with Bits Be Trippin' and see if I can sent it to him for a Un-Boxing and review. That will decide where it will go to market. It's not worth building and selling if company has to buy from Amazon, CDW, NewEgg at retail. Need to order the GPU's in bulk and that's at least $200k tied up for building in groups of 10ish just in parts alone.


Anyway, hope this info helps some of you get past the 8 GPU nvidia GPU limit as well as stabilize you rigs a bit more.

[EDIT]
Oh forgot, use the 188.00 or 188.13 driver, DO NOT use 188.10 (buggy) I am using 188.13 and its working fine.

Guys if you read the thread you'll see that the GPUs don't run at 75-80C. They just "tested" the stability with those temps, they're not planning to mine 24/7 with them running so hot. It's actually not that easy to run the watercooled 1080 Tis with those temps, they're well under 70 most of the time (even between 50 an 60 when properly tuned). Running them at 80C is just a part of their stress testing routine.

For something like this... Okay you're building and testing it.. But if people have the amount of money you're charging then they could build nearly 2 of what you're offering.

Granted its been 'tested' But... there is so many guides out there on how to set up rigs that anyone could set one up if they had common sense.

But the only issue is if you're saying the temp is 75-80 degrees The life of those cards is going to take a big hit.. Better off having something which runs alot cooler which will prolong the lifespan of the cards to help ROI

super power RIG ...

Why paying 29.999 USD for a 24 GPU-rig when an expert can build it itself with 1x ASUS mining expert and 1x Asrock H81 PRO BTC or Biostar PRO BTC. The cost will be cheaper this way and will be a lot of fun as when you build something yourself from scratch gives you the feeling of some kind of happiness (personal experience). The cost will be cheaper and 24 GPU do not give you though 201 USD profit daily from the tests I have done with different mining boards, normally a rig with 6 GPU-s 1080 ti gives you 20 USD per day multiply per 4 which is 24 GPU-s is 80 USD not taking into account electricity. After we remove electricity of 24 1080 ti it remains about 65 USD approximately profit daily depending on the country and price of the electricity of that country.

I think 80C is a lot and might decrease the lifespan of a GPU...

it's probably interesting choice for novices, but for guys who can build the rig by their own hands it's rather useless

If they really make a 24 GPU rig happen, it's a way cool! not much of us could build this also guarantee a stable operation. As I remember in Bits Be Trippin' youtube channel, BBT already tried and failed on it.

Don't get discouraged b/c most people on this mining forum already knows how to build a gpu rig and we're very picky and criticize everything to our custom preference

I think you do have a market for people not technically PC savy and dont' want to deal with pc issues of building a rig.  I'm sure pro traders would also be interested for a turn key  easy solution so that way they can keep on day trading and get a new stream of cash flow as well as understand the concepts of mining hands on.

If you can build a very reliable rig, hand pick out the best reliable cards and have it run for a week without crashing, I think you'll get some sales.

I do think you should allow for some customization of hardware components or offer 3 different type of builds or something.  It's nice to be  able to customize it, For example I want the high efficiency 240 volt platinum server grade power supplies,  Or offer platinum/titantinum power supplys and the customer can use eaither 120 or 240 volt.  Or separate the system out with two/four motherboards so it's more modular in case one fails the whole system won't go offline earning nothing.

Can you show us some pics,  I'm interested now.

well that is really strange approach for mining
is I were so rich that can afford the system that big I would do it
a. myself
b. I. Would. Never. Ever. Use. NiceHash!

overall : there are many ways to build the systems which would push same hashrates as your planned system, but cheaper. So why choose yours?

I am sorry, you are correct. Ambient Room Temp is in Fahrenheit.
And ok, yes the MSI cards were indeed stable at 80C. But I have stated my GPU settings several times here, 75C is my set maximum and they have never hit that range (yet)

Dude, you need to re-read what you write.

C = Celsius
F = Fahrenheit

Room temp 79C? I think you mean 79F. No one can live in 79C. It's a sauna in there if it's really 79C.

GPU 50C-57C? I guess you mean 50-57 Celsius, because 50F-57F = 10C-14C, and no card can run at 10C-14C.


Edited to add: Just saying, meant no offense.

Umm, are you new to mining or something? It's not a FACT at all, that's not how it works. Just because the profits have been high for the past year doesn't mean they'll keep being high like this. Weren't you around in 2013-2014? The gpu mining profits went down so bad that people in Europe were paying more for electricity than they were getting in return from mining. Lots of people stopped mining completely and sold off all their hardware, myself included. There is no way to predict how long the gpu mining will last and how profitable it'll be, and planning for the next 6 years?! That's even more lol than i9.

Where did you come up with 80C? All GPUs are running 50C to 57C @ Ambient Room temp 79C. The higher the Ambient Room temp the warmer your cards will get because your cooling with warmer air. 75C is the MAX temp - I do not want to go higher than that for increased lifespan.

3.5 $ for a GPU that runs at 80°C?

I keep my card cooler than 60°C and I already get 4 USD a day. Could do even better with OC'ing. Better look for another card?

No sorry we don't have video at this time. If the reception here would have been better then I would have pulled it down for a bit to make a video and show the live mining stats.



I went with the 120V after discussing with electrician a bit. One, the purchaser will most likely be a guy and the suggested place (if married) is the man cave (garage, at least a corner). Two, scaling. buy running whole new line to a new breaker box and adding a dozen 30A sockets - give them room to grow. It adds value to house as well, if they get out of mining or sell the house - all power tools, Neon Lights, etc can be plugged in there. I thought about it quite a bit. Just a single 8 GPU nVidia system trips a house break (just depend on algo and that running stock)

I set my cards ~(65,75C,65,750) and they are stable as hell, get max HASH/Watts /sec and use way less than 250W/ea.

Also, I was building for quality and I used the 70% rule for power, preferred 50%, but the cost of the system was already really high. I don't want the power supplies working hard for sound and lifespan. I did't not want a single component to work hard for the same reason.

yeah its expensive but the bottom line fact is that it will make 171k+ USD over 72 months ... each. That's after bending over and paying for it.

Look I was not trolling. I'm new here - mainly in Baikal X10 thread. It's actually easier for the company to NOT build and market this - but I am an engineer and wanted to do it. I would love to have the Nlaak Studios "Goliath" have a great reputation and profit, at least for company reputation.

Anyway, I got the feedback I was looking for. However I think there is a market for investors that are not IT. I will build the v2 prototype with the Orange Pi Monitor/Controller and complete it. At that point I will find a famous YouTuber (Mining gear streamer/reviewer) and ship it to them for Un-Boxing and Review. We'll see how it goes. I'm kind of favoring "Bits Be Trip'n" but have not approached him yet. Maybe in Feb 2018 when the Devs are done with the Monitor/Controller software. A not on the monitoring software (that someone said it did not have + remote access). First, it will not only detect when a system stops mining or locks up and restart it (via relay, then activating MB PW 15 secs after power applied), it will detect if you lost one or more of the GPU's and do the same, restart. We are also looking into creating software to monitor the mining of each algo and automatically (learn/adjust) GPU's settings for Maximum performance/wattage (still in research stage)
it also monitor Network (from system) and up-link and will notify. I would like to be able to use RESTful to get info from router and send commands (authenticated of course) - I brought this to the attention of several of the biggest Router Manufactures.

There is a lot this system does for the price. The Built-In Custom Monitor/Controller (free of charge, not like other sites that you pay monthly) is the big deal on this that allows you to plugin and forget (almost, but will get better in time)

When a consumer gets this, i want it to feel like you unpacking a Apple product. Hook it up and forget about it.

Since you have to run a dedicated circuit you might as well run 240volts for better efficiency.  24 gpu of 180 ti takes up 250w each.  24x250= 6000 watt . Plus you want 20 percent of extra headroom for full duty cycle I think . 6000w*1.2= 7200watt

240v/30 amp should do the trick on a single circuit. 240v*30 amp = 7200watt

It's actually pretty easy to install a 240v/30 amp breaker.  Just go to home depot and  buy a $10 dollar  breaker and buy some thick properly rated wires, buy a receptacle outlet and some cheap 240volt power distrbution units and  your done. Hard part is getting it inside the walls of the house and making it look clean. Some houses are easier than others, Should be super easy if your just doing it in the garage.  

I know nothing about electricity but it's easy to figure out by going to home depot and planning out your shopping items and a little research.

Hi NlaakStudios, have you guys had any video demo prototype?

Same. 8 gpus per rig is what I'm using for this very reason. Even that seems a bit stretched with all those twitchy m2=>pci-e adapters. I also like to buy as little "miner-specific" hardware as possible since it'll be easier to sell regular z270 boards if I'll decide to get out of mining or upgrade.

you're building a rolls royce in a market for miners who want Hondas.  $30k will buy 150x GPU's albeit the cheaper kind like RX470 or 1060 GTX.  your rig also needs  (2) dedicated 120V/30A breakers , who the heck has that in their house.

I've not been very impressed / swayed with these new mobos that support 12+ GPUs.  I see the upfront cost benefit of saving on CPU / RAM / SSD, but that doesn't outweigh the cost of 12+ GPUs going down vs 6 going down when a rig hangs.  Just my $0.02.

And the system he built doesn't even have remote reboot functionality. If your miner crashes, you have to physically go to it. Using the parts I quoted, you can hard reset the machine from your phone with no additional parts or cost!

How many times have you guys had a miner offline for hours because you were out of the house and couldn't immediately tend to it?

When I had my GPUs, they must have had some sense of my physical location. They would ONLY crash when I left the house.

Plus the Asus b250 mining is only $150 on amazon

https://www.amazon.com/B250-Motherboard-Cryptocurrency-MINING-EXPERT/dp/B075KFPJ6M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511310444&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+b250

ya $450 for shipping is crazy high, that's more expensive than shipping an engine,   I expect shipping to be closer to $200.

Also gold power supply's is so low class for such a high end build.  Should be platinum/titanium at least if im going to be paying $30k

I would also recommend going with server power supply units as those can do 2400 watts each and link up a bunch of gpu's.  That will save you money and also upgrade your efficiency to platinum. Also reducing weight and saving on shipping cost. You'll probably only need 3 of these vs your 6 heavy atx power supplys

Also not sure what that 120 volt/30 amp relay is.  But maybe consider those that want to use 240 volt for higher efficiency on powersupply, not sure if that matters for the relay or not.

Yes and like the above post said, Get rid of that 90 dollar leather case, Wasteful use of money, let the product speak for itself

That's the reason for all the complaints here and why no one wants to buy your rigs. You're paying for things that are clearly excessive just because you think they're "cool". Just like that gaming 6600k CPU, gaming DDR4 3GHz ram (16gb no less), and 500gb ssd (out of which you'll never need more than 100gb) that have no place in a mining rig. And a piece of leather for $90 that holds useless crap. Oh, wait, you're not actually paying for them, you expect your customers to pay for them.

24 @ $799 $19176   MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Ti DirectX 12 GTX 1080 Ti SEA HAWK X 11GB 352-Bit GDDR5X PCI Express 3.0 x16
 6 @ $297    $ 1782   LEPA G1600-MA ATX12V 1600W Gold PSU
 1 @ $229    $  229   ASUS B250 MINING EXPERT LGA 1151 Intel B250 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Intel Motherboard
 1 @ $262    $  262   Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I56600K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530
 1 @ $212    $  212   G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000)
 1 @ $149    $  149   SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 500GB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)    
 4 @ $ 47    $  188   6-Pack MintCell VER 008S Multi-Power 16x to 1x Powered Riser Adapter Card 60cm USB 3.0 Extension Cable
 1 @ $ 17    $   17   PCI-E to PCI-E Adapter 1 Turn 4 PCI-E Slot 1-4 USB 3.0 Mining Special Riser Card
 2 @ $180    $  360   Aluminum Open Frame (T Slot) Mining Frame
 9 @ $  2    $   18   SODIAL 5Pcs N52 Disc Magnets Neodymium Rare Earth Magnet Magnetic 20x3mm with Hole 5mm
 2 @ $ 38    $   72   ABS Platic Sheets (Exterior, used in conjuction with magnets to just pop all panels on/off with no screws)
 1 @ $ 99    $   99   Windows Home OS
 1 @ $ 25    $   25   Orange Pi Controller with custom software (provides system info and control remotely through smartphone or website)
 1 @ $103    $  103   US 7" HDMI HD 1024x600 LED Screen Display Module
 6 @ $ 22    $   66   Custom build 120V/30A Relays (Used by Controller)
 1 @ $ 10    $   10   Push-On/Push-Off Power switch (turns on Controller which takes over complete control)
 1 @ $ 80    $     80   Triple wall heavy duty shipping box
 1 @ $ 52    $   52   Custom form packing Foam to fit system/box
 1 @ $ 90    $   90   Leather Document Holder - Medium - Saddleback Leather - Black (hold all Discs, Manuals, benchmarks, etc. Attached to back panel)
 1 @ $475    $  475   UPS Freight shipping (USA only)- Approximate, depends on destination zip. Also no insurance added as I have not shipped one yet.
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Total:      $23,465   Excluding US Employee labor costs
 Labor:      $ 1,040   ~$210/day Hr rate, plus, withholding taxes and insurance
 Cost:               $24,505   Cost for us to build
 Profit:           $ 5,494    Profit from consumer buying 1 each (lower for more units per order)
 Operation:   $ 2,018   Since manufacturing these will be 1/3 of our business revenue, calculate in 1/3 of the operation costs (calculated to 5 day period)
 Net Profit:        $ 3,476
 
 Whats not calculated in here? All small hardware, ties, misc cables/adapters, etc. bought in bulk.
 Entire frame, panels are custom made from source materials for each system.
 Each Controller is custom built for each system.
 Goal is Quality, Performance and Lifespan.
 

So there you go. System exists and is stable. Build it yourself if you want - or don't.

[EDIT] Was wondering why it was coming up with $3.5k profit and the spreadsheet says ~$1800. The current in-house system does not have have the Orange Pi with display/relays that provides the remote control and system information. Developers started work on that in October and will not be done until end of January. I split the development cost, dedicated server, administrator and 3 support techs of evenly between 500 units. Net profit is $1815 USD.

Ok Enjoy.

I would be willing to pay this if you offered cheap electric rates and hosting in a warehouse,  Would be nice if you can also cut cost down a bit more by 5k at least.

$800 1080ti msi seahawk gpu x 24 = $19200
other components  4x-T2 evga = $1640
The risers, hardrive, ram, frame, misc  = $1000

Total = $21840 if I were to do this myself with the highest components and paying full retail price. Would only take me 1 day to put this together.,  I would only charge $25k tops if i were to resell this.

Overall I would be willing to pay the premium assembly if you offered hosting service with cheap electricity.  That's what makes hashnest/genesis mining operate as a business.   I don't like genesis  hash rate slider, you don't own the hardware whereas hashnest you do own the miner when it's in stock.

So good hosting with GPU hardware ownership to the customers would be a great service I would be highly interested in.

Agreed, but for the $12,000 difference in price even a noob could hire an expert to put together the system I'm suggesting. And, it would cost them far less than the full $12,000.. Even though I don't mine with GPUs any more, maybe I should put together a how to so people can just follow my steps to get their system going. Hell, if someone wants to pay me $3,000, I'll send one of my employees to your location to assemble and setup the miners for you. Could put together a couple dozen of these things in just a few days.

When I had my warehouse I got like 200 steel industrial shelves off craigslist for $1000. IIRC they had a weight capacity of several thousand pounds.

If you want to earn a profit, the best way is to go used. You can get quality components for a tiny fraction of the price of used. The only thing you need to buy new are the GPUs. There's always someone going out of business or swapping out their gear. The shelves I bought were storage for a company that went out of business and would have cost a couple $10K new. Datacenter gear is cycled out every couple of years. Then you get mass hardware on ebay from universities, governments, datacenters, etc.. People buy the stuff by the pallet from GSA and the like then piece meal it out on ebay.

Since you can't understand english... Or math... I will take the ID10T approach.


Ok, so lets do an EXACT clone of your build.. Ok?

24x 1080-TI $710/each (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126188)
2x DL580 G7 $300/each (https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL580-G7-4U-E7-4830-2-13GHz-16-Core-64GB-RAM-2-x-72GB-P410i-W-RAILS/282660829215?epid=129658107&hash=item41cfe5f81f:g:rWIAAOSwufpZwV7I)
2x DL580 G7 IO Board $66/each (https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DL580-G7-PCI-E-Riser-Card-588137-B21/172984027345?hash=item2846a6c8d1:g:BaUAAOSwCU1YwEqh)
24x Riser cables $5/each (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA72562E8994&cm_re=pci-e_extender_mining-_-17Z-00AT-00003-_-Product)
6x additional 1200W PSU $40/each  (can only run 4 1080TI per 1200W) - (https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-G6-G7-Power-Supply-1200W-490594-001-500172-B21-438203-001-HSTNS-PL11/172979235302?hash=item28465da9e6:g:mD4AAOSw9KhaCkkb)
6x PSU breakout boards $17/each (https://www.ebay.com/i/182897146692?rt=nc) -- includes PCIE cables.. If the 1080TI needs 8 pin (I don't know because I've never owned one), it's also possible to get the PSU breakout board in 8x 8 pin instead of 10x 6pin... For roughly the same price.

Total cost: $18234 for 24x 1080-TI including systems -- cost per GPU = $759/GPU.. -- If I bought from you I would pay 165% of this price.

I'm fairly confident I can still reduce this price further. The total cost for the SYSTEM is $49/gpu + GPUs.

The total cost for your SYSTEM is $539.95/gpu + GPUs. YOU ARE CHARGING PEOPLE OVER $500 FOR EACH PCIE SLOT!! GTFO of here with that bullshit.

Where the %$#@ are you getting GTX 1080ti's for $66? They are more than $680 in volume.

And i cannot, and will not use used components in a system being sold to someone else.

I am not trolling. Being here answering questions honestly to see if there is community support for my idea of offering this system is costing me every hour.

People like you, not being honest and fair - makes it extremely hard to stay professional.

The mining community here is not stupid by any means. I will let them read this thread - including our heated little exchange (which is now concluded) and they can make up their own minds.

Regardless, I will continue building these systems for in-house use and continue to make over $107 ea day after day. In the end I am good either way. This venture would be the least profitable aspect of the company revenue.

Wtf are you talking about. It's not $800 per gpu. It's $800 period ($800 / 12 = $66 per gpu PLUS GPU COST). Come on man, stop trolling us with your bullshit offer. Your pricing is beyond absurd, it's beyond criminal.. It's a joke.. No one will buy this.. I'm not trying to troll you but I do need the posts so I can get up to legendary status (another 200 or so posts to go! So, I'll continue arguing and proving you wrong all day if you want.)

Previously when I did mine with GPUs, I could get the price per gpu for the system down to around $35-40. That's $35-$40/GPU + GPU COST.

AND, these servers (if you get the E7-4860) would make around $125/mo cpu mining. Electrical cost for 12 gpus + system is around $205/mo at $0.10/KWH. Meaning, the CPU itself will pay for over half the electrical costs for the entire system including cpus.

And there it is. ~$800 per GPU ($19,200)

Plus, 4 MB/CPU/RAM/SSD = increased power usage for less profit.

You have to know how to build and configure it, a lot of people do not or do not want to.

If you know your stuff, sure you can shop around and throw something together for a little less that what we would charge (using retail prices) even.

But you would not have overhead for employees, packaging and shipping either.

So why be so hard? We are not some China RIG/ASIC builder that will rape you on price and no deliver for long periods of time.

It's a good, solid, well performing system that is flexible and easy to use. You un-box, hookup power, plug in Ethernet, set you Nicehash settings and make money for years. It is perfect for people that do not know how or want to take the time and hassle of building one. Allot goes into obtaining a stable 24 GPU's on a single MB system.

So, Can you find cheaper parts and make it work sure. You deal with he headaches, that saves you money. You do not have to pay anyone to do it. You do not have to have custom packing boxes and internal foam packing material and you don't have to ship to yourself.

I do not believe you were honest or fair about my pricing versus what you get and what you have to put in to it. The company itself on the first batch will barely make anything after all the costs. But it could build our reputation with the mining community - and that is worth much more (for first batch) IMHO.

Sure, I posted it in another thread. Just buy used DL580 G7s. They have 12 PCI-E slots (with the PCI-E extension board) and typically come with 4x 1200W PSUs. Just buy whatever 12 video cards you want, 12 risers, build a little rig to hold the gpus for $10, and the PSU adapters so you get the 8 pin output (or go with the break out board that allows you to wire in). $800 +/- $400 (depending on whats on ebay at the time) + cost of GPUs. They have 4x 10 core processors (typically, some of the servers on ebay have older 8 core processors).

Can buy everything you need except the GPUs on ebay. Hell, you could buy the GPUs there too but I don't know if I'd trust them. I found some pretty good deals on used tesla equipment too (since you're a nvidia fan).

Since I posted it in another thread a lot of people have been picking ebay clean of the cheap DL580 G7s.. But there are still some available... I stopped mining with GPUs awhile ago and am mining with other solutions.. If you want the cheap DL580 G7 you'd need to setup alerts on ebay and check regularly. If you don't care so much about CPU mining you could also go with the DL580 G6, the DL580 G5, etc. The G6 and G5 have PCI slots and less PCI-E though. Not sure exactly how many. But they're also significantly cheaper, you can get the G5/G6 for like $100-$300.

Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Premium-HP-DL580-G7-Server-4x2-26GHz-32-Cores-48GB-RAM-P-410i-iLO/172908198868?hash=item284221bbd4:g:jRIAAOSwmkpZ57Tx

If the server you order doesn't have the PCI-E extension board you can just buy one.. Here's one for the G5.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-449414-001-System-I-O-PCB-PCI-E-PCIe-Express-Board-ProLiant-Server-DL580-G5/282582004180?epid=6006039039&hash=item41cb3331d4:g:SGwAAOSwBt5ZEXZj

Here's a G7 with no riser and no memory (just buy it separately) for $200 -- https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL580-G7-4U-Server-4x-E7530-6-Core-1-86GHz-No-RAM-HDD-DVD-P410i-RPS/172980741588?hash=item284674a5d4:g:zMEAAOSw5VtaCcqE

Here's a G7 IO / Expansion board for $120.. Add it to the server above for $200 and you get 12 PCI-E slots + 4x 1200W PSU for $320 (just add $50 of memory and $25 ssd)

here's a cheaper G7 IO expansion board only $66! https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DL580-G7-PCI-E-Riser-Card-588137-B21/172984027345?hash=item2846a6c8d1:g:BaUAAOSwCU1YwEqh

Plus, these systems all have ILO remote management which means you can hard reset the server remotely! look ma' no hands!

LOL, Really? Funny,

First...

WhatToMine has it at $19.35/day and only using 1680W.
Goliath will make $41.90/day on Nicehash (just cryptonight) @ ~4kW
and $114.78/day on neoscript

Second, show us the system and where to get it as well as the stats please? I'll take 10 of them.

Did not test G4560. The G4400 just did not have the processing power to handle 9 GPUs. they system would blue-screen. It took for ever to enumerate the GPU's and when you remote into the system all input lagged. Since the majority of the cost of a system was in GPU's, i did briefly consider the i9, agreed LOL. My cost on the i7 7700k is less than retail (of course) so lets say less than $330 and the cost of the i5 6600k is less than retail, say $250. The 6600k matches or outperforms the 7700k, taking into account cost & TDP.

Three months of testing various components & configurations, tweaking, technical support with all the vendors. Again the MB/CPU/RAM/SSD are only a fraction of the system cost. Adds maybe 10 days to the ROI.

As to AMD - I would would not touch one. I wouldn't even put them in the system if given to me for free. nVidia was selected with keeping the future in mind. You don't even have to mine coins in the next few years because there will be a high demand for Cloud AI, Smart Cities, Self Driving cars. You could sell Computer power to schools or anyone else that is looking to push their CUDA code to a supercomputer. This cannot be obtained with a AMD at this time.

I can get a server that will support 12 gpus and includes power supplies (4x 1200w) suitable for 12 gpus for around $500 -- and will generated around $125/mo of monero. Cost for risers, psu adapters and cables is another $300 at most. Total cost $3320 for 12 gpus ($276/gpu) -- ($567/gpu for vegas)... And I get a 40 core server in the process that is great for mining monero.

Even buying new consumer components as opposed to using used server hardware it shouldn't cost more than $100 per GPU for motherboard, psu, memory, cpu, small ssd, etc. Putting the total cost at $310 per gpu or $600 per gpu at most for vegas.

Your price is ridiculous. $29999 for 24 gpus = $1249/gpu. Why would anyone order from you when they can get the same thing for less than half the price?

There is absolutely zero difference between i5-6600k and g4560 in terms of "maximum lifespan and stability". If anything, g4560 will run a little bit cooler, consuming tiny bit less power. 6600k is a waste of money on a mining rig. And i9 is just lol. The only reason I commented on this is because you said that "low end standard CPU's, ie G4400 will not work beyond 8 GPU's, 9 MAX on windows". So I was curious about why they will not work. G4560 works.

Due to contract with distributor...System Builders/Re-sellers cannot disclose cost for components. But i can tell you they are not $1249/ea
Lets just say $700-$800. Your number is the retail price for 1 system divided by 24 GPUs.

Care to explain to me where the cost for everything else is?

RX570s are $210 a piece.
It's possible to get Vegas for $450-$500.
You're asking people to pay $1249 per gpu.

Impossible. I'm using Distributors with volume break and there is barely any profit to be had. I am not building each system. I have to pay builders, their insurance, taxes, custom packing boxes and material, etc. Just trying to break a American based company into the market. Once again, the system is profitable and stable for a long period of time.


As I stated in my GPU test section. Only the MSI was stable. Why? I cannot tell you. I Love EVGA but was so disappointed as it was the slowest and most unstable GPU. Plus, I had originally went with 4 EVGA Titanium Power Supplies and they did not even send enough VGA cables and wanted to charge me for more.



This system is all about maximum lifespan and stability. The MB/CPU/RAM/SSD are only a fraction of the overall cost. Because of this I went with the higher end. It was going to be a Intel i9, then i7 7700k was tested, then i5 6600k. The i5 performace perfect and the is priced lower than the 7700k.

The bottom line is the overall profit. If the ROI is 10-20 days higher for the ability to "Plugin and Go" for years, then we met our goal. The 6/8/12/16/19 GPU Rigs are just not as profitable.

Now, stability. Each MSI GTX1080ti is initially set for: 65,75C,65,750
I then adjust each card targeting 610MH/s (Lyra2REV2)

Every GPU is different even though they are the same. Do not SYNC all Like cards. DO tweak individual.
Closed Loop Liquid Cooled GPUs cost ~$50 more, but cool better therefore you can raise the settings higher while staying under 75C.

3x the cost per gpu over just building it yourself. Price would need to drop to around $10,000 for this to be a good buy.

One more point i have to criticise is the long building time.... 5,25 days, yeah for sure there is your testing phase and so on but this is a product which you are able to build in 2 hours and setup in 2-3 hours so it should run perfectly after 6 hours and not 5,2 days.

Why? I don't know about G4400, but 2-core/4-thread CPUs definitely work in windows with up to 19 GPUs. That's G4560, for example, which is a lot cheaper. 6600k seems like a waste of money.

In my opinion and in our company's opinion this is a very bad mining rig => you need to use good equipment which is uselles at mining at the moment but you need to require good system standards.

The biggest 2 problems of this miner are:

High investment cost....
24GPU miners work like crap. We expiremented for 3 weeks with a 24 GPU miner and these one are not working stable. The stable working of a miner is very important.. always reboot or else is annyoing and time consumptioning.

Because the low end standard CPU's, ie G4400 will not work beyond 8 GPU's, 9 MAX on windows. The SSD is for Swap File which is quite large for 24 GPU system. The CPU that performed best for price was the i5 6600k. We also factored in each components overall rating, quality, performance and price with the intention of providing quality, stability and lifespan.

Then you take into account, say $350 for standard cheap MB/CPU/RAM/SSD versus $820 for the quality (and that actually runs stable) That is a fraction of the overall cost. GPUs are the primary component here and I found that the MSI GTX 1080ti 11G was the most performance and rock solid stability. Yet when I tried to put in a smaller overall footprint I had a heat issue. There for I tested the MSi Seahawk. I was not only able to make the overall system smaller but packing the GPUs closer, I was able to run the system at higher rates due to the liquid cooling and still have great stability with a maximum HASH/Power. At a cost of $50 more per GPU - it's was definitely worth it. The GPU's alone are ~$20k. This system is optimized down to a single (not 4 or 6) MB/CPU/RAM/SSD and 4 PS. This increases profits as well.

Any reason why you want to go for very expensive motherboards/cpu/ram and ssd?
It makes no sense from a mining point of view.

FYI: Please take a moment to read the thread before voting. Pay close attention to @senseless as he/she has good some points if you are a advanced IT and can build your own.

Product: Galioth
Model: AIGSM-1080ti-24

This post exists currently just to determine interest. To meet minimum for distributors we will need 500 units in the batch. If we reach that goal a page will be added to our website for the pre-order page. We will announce via Twitter five (days) ahead of time to allow customers to prepare funds and place order.
Please excuse any typos I may have missed, as this is just to see if there is even any interest in a system of this type.

Unlike other vendors, we understand how hard your investment was so you will be able to track your order on our website. The available status states (in order) are:
- Placed         Your order was placed, confirmed.
- Cleared         Your payment cleared, Your locked in.
- Pending         Your system is in Build Que, but not yet being build.
- Active         Your system is being built by {System Builder Name}
- Tweaking         Your system is being configured and tweaked.
- Burn-In         Your system is currently being tested/benchmarked.
- Documenting      Your system benchmark, manuals, etc is being prepared.
- Prepare         Your system is in que for packing
- Packing         Your system is now being packaged for shipping
- Shipped         Your system has been shipped, Tracking number attached.

Expect the turn around time from ACTIVE to SHIPPED to be ~5 days. You will get an email on each status change.         

System
- All components are the best in thier class. We went with ASUS Motherboard, Intel processsor, G.Skill Ripjaw RAM, Samsung SSD and MSI GTX 1080ti Seahawk GPUs.
- Each system requires two (2) dedicated 120V/30A breakers each with a double outlet.
- Build Time is approximately 10 hours.
- Configuration & Tweaking all components for maximum performance takes approximately 30 hours.
- Burn-in / Testing is 72 hours. You will get the results with your system.
- Packing and Shipping 4 hours.
- Total system (out the door) time is approximately 126 hours (5.25 days)
- Built in the USA and obviously shipped from the USA (Houston, Texas)
- Payment will be Pre-Pay for March Order.
- Systenm will be built and shipped in by order (FIFO)
- Payments accepted are Direct Bank Deposit or Bitcoin.
- Shipping is included.

GPU 60 Day testing
- ASUS. Not tested as they do not have a closed loop liquid cooled unit
- Zotac. Not tested as they do not have a closed loop liquid cooled unit
- Gigabyte. Tested, nominal performance, rejected due to price per unit vs. performance
- EVGA. Tested. Less than nominal performance. Unstable over 68C. Rejected
- MSI. Tested. Good performance. Stable at 80C. Each unit AVG $3.75/day (8 GPUS) and $4.00/day (24 GPUS). Accepted.

Profitability
- Nicehash was used for testing period and is the suggested and default on each system.
- Our test showed ~20% increase in mining revenue every 30 days.
- Most profitable aglo's (mined in test period) where Lyra2REV2, Keccak, Equihash, Blake2s
- Last 7 daily profits (as of 13 NOV 2017 - 20, NOV 2017) were $91.67, $92.30, $84.33, $89.74, $90.04, $99.17, $98.41
- Predicted profit (if/when) shipped (1 MAR 2018) is $147.20 USD per day, for ROI of ~204 days. This assumes last 60 day trend of Bitcoin and ALts remain consistent.

Expected Lifespan
- System was designed with a maximum lifespan goal. System should run for 72 months with no failures. The GPU's default settings have been optimized for maximum Hash/Power factor over time, therefore are not running at 100%. Each GPU has been individually optimized.
- We suggest picking up one or two MSI GTX Seahawk cards for backup. We have found that mixing GPU's induces instability for some reason.
- You may of course change settings to your desire. However, we strongly suggest you leave everything as we set it and just mine away.
- Predicted total income (not including trend increase, but current earnings) over 72 months is $201,480 USD, Profit per system is $171,480 USD

Warranty
- We guarantee upon upacking, hooking to power and ethernet that when powered on the unit will start mining (Nicehash on our account!). You will need to stop and configure for your account.
- The manufactures warranty applies on all components.

Estimated Cost (assuming distributor cost raimain the same by march +/-5%)
1   $29,999 -> ROI = 312 days
2   $29,499 -> ROI = 307 days
4   $28,999 -> ROI = 302 days
8+   $27,999 -> ROI = 291 days


Would you invest in rig like this?
How many would you want?