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Topic: 25BTC Loaded Casascius Bitcoin (2011) -Moved to auction venue (Read 810 times)

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These guys have started auctioning physical crypto to the traditional numismatists too - https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots?search=casascius&lots_range=upcoming

In fact, two of mine (currently the first two listed: brass 1 BTC s2 2013 and brass 0.5 BTC 2013 are mine).
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That 25 BTC is in good shape...many I have come across thru the years had nicks/scratches from the manufacturing process. Goodluck on your sale.

Hey Krogoth do you know if this is the first time a Cas coin has been auctioned by a traditional Numismatic company?


  This same company also auctioned off a 1000 BTC gold Cas a few months back...

  https://www.greatcollections.com/kb/Worlds-Most-Valuable-Numismatic-Item-the-48-Million-Gold-1000-Bitcoin-Physical-Coin-t433-4.html

  https://www.coinnews.net/2021/10/05/greatcollections-submits-48m-gold-1000-bitcoin-physical-coin-to-pcgs/

  And also in that same time frame was another 25btc Cas as well.

  Not sure if they were the first though.
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That 25 BTC is in good shape...many I have come across thru the years had nicks/scratches from the manufacturing process. Goodluck on your sale.

Hey Krogoth do you know if this is the first time a Cas coin has been auctioned by a traditional Numismatic company?
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That 25 BTC is in good shape...many I have come across thru the years had nicks/scratches from the manufacturing process. Goodluck on your sale.
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Yeah, I don't know.  The auction site said they do that to get early interest.  A bit silly for something that's easily redeemable for far more, but whatever.  I'm sure someone will bid at least face value.
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The coin has gone up for auction here: https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1135643/2011-25-BTC-Casascius-Bitcoin-Gold-Plated-Coin-PCGS-MS-66-from-photo

I am a bit disappointed in their photo, and that they only listed BTC value with no indication of the forks or anything, but hopefully anyone bidding understands what it is.
i dont understand why the starting bid is so low. I get that very few can afford a coin like this, but in the right market should sell for at least a million. I think you should hold out for the right buyer.
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The coin has gone up for auction here: https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1135643/2011-25-BTC-Casascius-Bitcoin-Gold-Plated-Coin-PCGS-MS-66-from-photo

I am a bit disappointed in their photo, and that they only listed BTC value with no indication of the forks or anything, but hopefully anyone bidding understands what it is.
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I think everyone has their own personal preference on this. Some people care deeply and some don't at all. I'm in the middle. I picked up a .5BTC silver Cas because it was 1 of 15 that was loaded in 2014 while 871 were loaded in 2013 according to the Elias handbook. I just thought that was rarer and kinda cool to have 1 of 15 from that 2013 Silver .5 Cas batch. Is it worth more...I'm not sure but I liked it more for that reason. I really think it just comes down to personal preference. Now had it been say 550 were loaded in 2013 and 300+ in 2014 I'm not sure I would have wanted it as much. I strictly wanted it due to it being a 1 of 15. Again that's just how I personally viewed it.

https://imgur.com/a/97IpNC2

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Interesting, I've never actually noted the load date of any of my coins. Had no idea that people cared.

  A coin with a date of say 2011 stamped on its face should have btc loaded on it in 2011 not the year after or any other year for that matter.

  It matters alot for my collection when it comes to picking what I care to hodl and what I do want to sell...which is never  Wink Cheesy
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Interesting, I've never actually noted the load date of any of my coins. Had no idea that people cared.
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Series 1 2011 BTC 338 were made
Series 2 2011 BTC  29 were made.. this is a series 2 and should stay unopened imo for future numismatic value

My understanding is there were 487 total Series 2 - 25 BTC coins, which makes them less rare than the 345 total series 1 - 25 BTC coins (referencing the Ahonen encyclopedia here).

However, it seems you're referring to the "load year" of an S2 coin? In that case, then yes, only 29 of the S2 25 BTC coins were loaded in 2011.

That being said, the coin above appears to be loaded in 2012, along with 196 other coins. Do people really care about the load year, though?

Still a beeeeeeautiful coin, and still very rare. Hope it finds a good home.

Yeah load year and even load month is definitely a thing.  Find an early ~September 2011 loaded error coin it will go for much more than the same error coin that was loaded months later.  For me personally I value matching load year and year the coin was struck as "more valuable" than ones that are not.  This is just me others don't care either way.


  Hell yeah....Load date should match coin date. First day loading even better and pricier as well.
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Series 1 2011 BTC 338 were made
Series 2 2011 BTC  29 were made.. this is a series 2 and should stay unopened imo for future numismatic value

My understanding is there were 487 total Series 2 - 25 BTC coins, which makes them less rare than the 345 total series 1 - 25 BTC coins (referencing the Ahonen encyclopedia here).

However, it seems you're referring to the "load year" of an S2 coin? In that case, then yes, only 29 of the S2 25 BTC coins were loaded in 2011.

That being said, the coin above appears to be loaded in 2012, along with 196 other coins. Do people really care about the load year, though?

Still a beeeeeeautiful coin, and still very rare. Hope it finds a good home.

Yeah load year and even load month is definitely a thing.  Find an early ~September 2011 loaded error coin it will go for much more than the same error coin that was loaded months later.  For me personally I value matching load year and year the coin was struck as "more valuable" than ones that are not.  This is just me others don't care either way.
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Series 1 2011 BTC 338 were made
Series 2 2011 BTC  29 were made.. this is a series 2 and should stay unopened imo for future numismatic value

My understanding is there were 487 total Series 2 - 25 BTC coins, which makes them less rare than the 345 total series 1 - 25 BTC coins (referencing the Ahonen encyclopedia here).

However, it seems you're referring to the "load year" of an S2 coin? In that case, then yes, only 29 of the S2 25 BTC coins were loaded in 2011.

That being said, the coin above appears to be loaded in 2012, along with 196 other coins. Do people really care about the load year, though?

Still a beeeeeeautiful coin, and still very rare. Hope it finds a good home.

yes from a numismatic point, it would make a difference to a collector.  It found a home Smiley
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Series 1 2011 BTC 338 were made
Series 2 2011 BTC  29 were made.. this is a series 2 and should stay unopened imo for future numismatic value

My understanding is there were 487 total Series 2 - 25 BTC coins, which makes them less rare than the 345 total series 1 - 25 BTC coins (referencing the Ahonen encyclopedia here).

However, it seems you're referring to the "load year" of an S2 coin? In that case, then yes, only 29 of the S2 25 BTC coins were loaded in 2011.

That being said, the coin above appears to be loaded in 2012, along with 196 other coins. Do people really care about the load year, though?

Still a beeeeeeautiful coin, and still very rare. Hope it finds a good home.
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Series 1 2011 BTC 338 were made
Series 2 2011 BTC  29 were made.. this is a series 2 and should stay unopened imo for future numismatic value
legendary
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This is one beautiful piece of history. Only 220 remain active, these are becoming very rare
so did you sell the coin or opened it in the end? If I had a pice like that I would probably open it. Even though this is probably worth the trouble to get it auctioned in some large auction house?

$12k sounds a lot for the forks, but when you realize that 25 BTC is almost $1 million then it is not that much  Grin

Coin funds are still intact: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/1GdwTe2hhnEvTLvPndTEeSFrHGJiPkq71T
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This is one beautiful piece of history. Only 220 remain active, these are becoming very rare
so did you sell the coin or opened it in the end? If I had a pice like that I would probably open it. Even though this is probably worth the trouble to get it auctioned in some large auction house?

$12k sounds a lot for the forks, but when you realize that 25 BTC is almost $1 million then it is not that much  Grin
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just using the ballet import way would net you bch, bsv, btg, bcd and bch abc (xec)

25 bch = 7152 USD
25 bsv = 2133 USD
25 btg = 709 USD
250 bcd = 199 USD
25 mil xec = 1807 USD

this is about 12,000 USD

of course there would be network fees, conversion fees etc but thats just the top 5


edit - if you import into ballet - DO NOT use their conversion, it fucks up and takes all the coins on the same address - tried it twice and this happened.  So if you do import it, xfer each coin out to an exchange then convert.
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Astounding coin
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I would just rather not destroy the coin.  It's a very nice and pretty rare coin.  Ultimately if I can't find a buyer I probably will open it.

Understood.  And can appreciate the fact you want to keep this cas in tact these will be few and far between.  How would you recommend a secure transaction would take place for an in person exchange oh what now amounts to around ~$1mil worth of crypto?  Just wondering how people are doing large transactions transfers now a days.
A trusted courier service is an option. I know there are a few members here that offer this service. From what I understand they charge a flat fee (based on value of item) along with airfare, hotel, meals etc. We do not hear about it much because these transactions are typically not made public.

I am assuming whoever buys it will want to see it in person before committing.  I would.
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I would just rather not destroy the coin.  It's a very nice and pretty rare coin.  Ultimately if I can't find a buyer I probably will open it.

Understood.  And can appreciate the fact you want to keep this cas in tact these will be few and far between.  How would you recommend a secure transaction would take place for an in person exchange oh what now amounts to around ~$1mil worth of crypto?  Just wondering how people are doing large transactions transfers now a days.
A trusted courier service is an option. I know there are a few members here that offer this service. From what I understand they charge a flat fee (based on value of item) along with airfare, hotel, meals etc. We do not hear about it much because these transactions are typically not made public.
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I would just rather not destroy the coin.  It's a very nice and pretty rare coin.  Ultimately if I can't find a buyer I probably will open it.

Understood.  And can appreciate the fact you want to keep this cas in tact these will be few and far between.  How would you recommend a secure transaction would take place for an in person exchange oh what now amounts to around ~$1mil worth of crypto?  Just wondering how people are doing large transactions transfers now a days.

The transaction can be done at the vault it's being held in.  I did this previously last year when I sold my 10 BTC piece.
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I would just rather not destroy the coin.  It's a very nice and pretty rare coin.  Ultimately if I can't find a buyer I probably will open it.

Understood.  And can appreciate the fact you want to keep this cas in tact these will be few and far between.  How would you recommend a secure transaction would take place for an in person exchange oh what now amounts to around ~$1mil worth of crypto?  Just wondering how people are doing large transactions transfers now a days.
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I would just rather not destroy the coin.  It's a very nice and pretty rare coin.  Ultimately if I can't find a buyer I probably will open it.
legendary
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Last holdout of my collection.  I have been tempted to open it a few times, but I would really rather find it a good home.

I am asking 25.5 BTC or equivalent of another major crypto. 

Buyer must come pick it up at the vault it is stored in (North Dakota).



I don't know what the vue of all the forks are.  But wouldn't getting the forks and selling the unloaded 25btc coin be worth more than trying to swing this deal?  Just seems like a lot of effort and risk on your end.  Why not just go that route?

I think that they still would come out ahead by a few thousand dollars (is that worth the hassle I guess is the question).  There's about $7,200 worth of bitcoin cash (dividends), bitcoin gold $700 and likely a few others.  If bitcoin sv is a fork ( I think it is? ) that's another $2k.  The coin by its self worth a $2-3k.. so still comes out a head by a few thousand. 

Does anyone have a website or app or whatever that you plug in a bitcoin amount and it shows you the dollar value of forks?

This should work: https://findmycoins.ninja/
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Just having the old uncirculated funds is worth a lot more than the forks or small premium in my opinion 🤔 but peeling such an amazing collectible woukd be almost impossible  for me also lol  I definitely admire you for offering before destroying 😉
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Last holdout of my collection.  I have been tempted to open it a few times, but I would really rather find it a good home.

I am asking 25.5 BTC or equivalent of another major crypto. 

Buyer must come pick it up at the vault it is stored in (North Dakota).



I don't know what the vue of all the forks are.  But wouldn't getting the forks and selling the unloaded 25btc coin be worth more than trying to swing this deal?  Just seems like a lot of effort and risk on your end.  Why not just go that route?

I think that they still would come out ahead by a few thousand dollars (is that worth the hassle I guess is the question).  There's about $7,200 worth of bitcoin cash (dividends), bitcoin gold $700 and likely a few others.  If bitcoin sv is a fork ( I think it is? ) that's another $2k.  The coin by its self worth a $2-3k.. so still comes out a head by a few thousand. 

Does anyone have a website or app or whatever that you plug in a bitcoin amount and it shows you the dollar value of forks?
legendary
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Last holdout of my collection.  I have been tempted to open it a few times, but I would really rather find it a good home.

I am asking 25.5 BTC or equivalent of another major crypto. 

Buyer must come pick it up at the vault it is stored in (North Dakota).



I don't know what the vue of all the forks are.  But wouldn't getting the forks and selling the unloaded 25btc coin be worth more than trying to swing this deal?  Just seems like a lot of effort and risk on your end.  Why not just go that route?
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Very nice coin !
Good luck with your listing
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Last holdout of my collection.  I have been tempted to open it a few times, but I would really rather find it a good home.

I am asking 25.5 BTC or equivalent of another major crypto.  

Buyer must come pick it up at the vault it is stored in (North Dakota).

https://imgur.com/a/APRCfnY

edit: The coin has been handed over to an auction house.  Anyone who was interested can watch or bid on the auction here: https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1135643/2011-25-BTC-Casascius-Bitcoin-Gold-Plated-Coin-PCGS-MS-66-from-photo
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