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Quote from: swogerino on July 29, 2022, 03:54:15 PM

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NVIDIA RTX 4090/4080/4070 3DMark performance
Hardware leaker Kopite7kimi now claims to know the performance of upcoming GeForce RTX 40 series.
This time around, Kopite is revealing the performance of RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 models, both of which are expected after RTX 4090 makes a debut somewhere in early Q4. He noted that those scores are based on previously mentioned specs, which in this case means AD103 GPU with 10240 CUDA cores for RTX 4080 and AD104 GPU with 7168 CUDA cores for the RTX 4070.

Please note that this post is tagged as a rumor.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-rtx-4070-get-preliminary-3dmark-performance-estimates

It looks nice that the 4070 is Gddr6 only and not with Gddr6x which gets hot real quick,also the spec does not look bad either,I think at near 300 Watt this card can do the same as the 3080 or in a optimistic scenario near the same as the 3080 ti since this was the case with 3070 vs 2080 ti.It looks like the best choice for miners compared to other cards,hopefully these cards hit the market soon as I am waiting for the price to drop real quick to build my new mining rig,I am ready to start small with just one card,I already have the rig assembled,so hopefully the price of these will not be as expensive as when we were in the full bull run.

The 4070 graphics card will probably be available in the 1st or 2nd quarter of next year. It's still a long time to wait and we don't know what profit will be in mining. It is better to buy proven 3070 video cards after the end of ethereum mining.

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Quote from: FP91G on July 29, 2022, 03:00:36 PM

NVIDIA RTX 4090/4080/4070 3DMark performance
Hardware leaker Kopite7kimi now claims to know the performance of upcoming GeForce RTX 40 series.
This time around, Kopite is revealing the performance of RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 models, both of which are expected after RTX 4090 makes a debut somewhere in early Q4. He noted that those scores are based on previously mentioned specs, which in this case means AD103 GPU with 10240 CUDA cores for RTX 4080 and AD104 GPU with 7168 CUDA cores for the RTX 4070.

Please note that this post is tagged as a rumor.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-rtx-4070-get-preliminary-3dmark-performance-estimates

It looks nice that the 4070 is Gddr6 only and not with Gddr6x which gets hot real quick,also the spec does not look bad either,I think at near 300 Watt this card can do the same as the 3080 or in a optimistic scenario near the same as the 3080 ti since this was the case with 3070 vs 2080 ti.It looks like the best choice for miners compared to other cards,hopefully these cards hit the market soon as I am waiting for the price to drop real quick to build my new mining rig,I am ready to start small with just one card,I already have the rig assembled,so hopefully the price of these will not be as expensive as when we were in the full bull run.

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NVIDIA RTX 4090/4080/4070 3DMark performance
Hardware leaker Kopite7kimi now claims to know the performance of upcoming GeForce RTX 40 series.
This time around, Kopite is revealing the performance of RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 models, both of which are expected after RTX 4090 makes a debut somewhere in early Q4. He noted that those scores are based on previously mentioned specs, which in this case means AD103 GPU with 10240 CUDA cores for RTX 4080 and AD104 GPU with 7168 CUDA cores for the RTX 4070.

Please note that this post is tagged as a rumor.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-rtx-4070-get-preliminary-3dmark-performance-estimates

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Quote from: Michael20 on April 13, 2022, 08:12:18 AM

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Which 90ti you have? Which fan speed and the other things? gpu/ram temp? watt/efficiency? Thanks

I have evga 3090 ti ftw3

I have evga 3090 ti xc3

But recently evga dropped the 3090 ftw3 to 1699

so to me it is now the better deal.

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If Nvidia comes out with a LHR version again, they'll be complete assholes. I would take a closer look at the announcements of the new 7000 series from AMD.

Twitter leaker Greymon55 suggests the RTX 4090 will become available in September 2022. This stacks up with Nvidia’s previous behaviour, as it launched both the RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 graphics cards in September 2020.
https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/nvidia-rtx-4090-release-date-price-specs-4223361

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Quote from: deedeeranged on April 13, 2022, 11:14:33 AM

Quote from: FP91G on April 07, 2022, 06:21:05 AM

Quote from: TreyARC on April 06, 2022, 04:29:13 AM

Quote from: Daltonik on April 03, 2022, 06:57:35 AM

Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.

Yep I read about this 4090 using 600Watt online, I'm guessing and thinking how this GPU will perform in cooling, a powerful GPU that uses 600watt can't be cool using a thermal pad and paste, I hope Nvidia knows what they are doing this time around, we dont want to experience RTX 3080s and 3090s all over again.

I think this is the maximum power consumption, but the real power will be about 300-400 watts. At 600 watts, a more modern cooling system is tedious. Although AMD had a dual-chip AMD Radeon HD 7990 graphics card that consumed about 500 watts, but the miners used it with the correct settings and downvolting, so its consumption was about 350 watts.

There is an article and I believe also a test to be found about the powerconsumption on IgorsLab
https://www.igorslab.de/en/where-the-600-watt-of-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-actually-comes-from-an-estimate-of-gpu-and-components/

Makes interesting reading.

It is interesting reading there that 40xx is gddr6x, worst case scenario is 40xx series is that it is a refresh like the 20xx to the 10xx series.

If 40xx are refresh, then buying 3090s or 3090ti's now is a better choice because by the time the 40xx are released you might be closer to ROI or you already ROI'd.

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Quote from: FP91G on April 07, 2022, 06:21:05 AM

Quote from: TreyARC on April 06, 2022, 04:29:13 AM

Quote from: Daltonik on April 03, 2022, 06:57:35 AM

Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.

Yep I read about this 4090 using 600Watt online, I'm guessing and thinking how this GPU will perform in cooling, a powerful GPU that uses 600watt can't be cool using a thermal pad and paste, I hope Nvidia knows what they are doing this time around, we dont want to experience RTX 3080s and 3090s all over again.

I think this is the maximum power consumption, but the real power will be about 300-400 watts. At 600 watts, a more modern cooling system is tedious. Although AMD had a dual-chip AMD Radeon HD 7990 graphics card that consumed about 500 watts, but the miners used it with the correct settings and downvolting, so its consumption was about 350 watts.

There is an article and I believe also a test to be found about the powerconsumption on IgorsLab
https://www.igorslab.de/en/where-the-600-watt-of-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-actually-comes-from-an-estimate-of-gpu-and-components/

Makes interesting reading.

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Which 90ti you have? Which fan speed and the other things? gpu/ram temp? watt/efficiency? Thanks

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Yes, by the release of the 3090 ti, Nvidia, although not without errors at the beginning of production, still achieved the appearance of excellent performance cards, having worked out the process on early models, but power consumption, it seems to me, does not justify a performance gain of 5% from the 3090 and yes, the sizes reach up to 4 slots, such as the Zotac GeForce RTX 3090 Ti PGF OC.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on April 08, 2022, 10:20:42 PM

Quote from: arielbit on April 08, 2022, 09:23:32 PM

3090ti released half year before 40xx release date.

Remember when 2080ti'ers got 3070'd ??..well it is nice to own one but don't go full blast on those 3090ti's

In crypto "timing" is a huge factor.. 3090's x3 the 1080ti's and ROI'd..and that is a very good thing.

3090ti x3 the 1080ti too, imagine if the 4090 x4 or x5 the 1080ti.

1080ti~2080ti~3070

3090 vs 3090ti is like 1080ti vs 2080ti ...what if the 4070 will be more energy efficient version of 3090/3090ti in 6 months.

40xx series will come with gddr7, that's the signal...always follow vram memory upgrades Wink

the 3090ti is 7 or 8 % better then the 3090.

and it is priced just about the same.

I have 17 or 18 3090 cards and 2 3090ti cards. the 3090ti are better.

the 1080ti and the 2080ti had a large price jump. like 700 to 1100 usd

and hash was only 50 to 55

so the 3090ti is decent enough.

of course if we go pos in July all cards go in the shitter. Since mining ⛏ with gpus will take a huge hit.

50 to 55 hash will be like the "7% or 8% better" like you said.

it all comes down to price..if it is just about the same, why not?...price will dictate, there are different price variables around the world..to some area 400$-500$ will be the price difference between 3090 and 3090ti too.

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Quote from: arielbit on April 08, 2022, 09:23:32 PM

3090ti released half year before 40xx release date.

Remember when 2080ti'ers got 3070'd ??..well it is nice to own one but don't go full blast on those 3090ti's

In crypto "timing" is a huge factor.. 3090's x3 the 1080ti's and ROI'd..and that is a very good thing.

3090ti x3 the 1080ti too, imagine if the 4090 x4 or x5 the 1080ti.

1080ti~2080ti~3070

3090 vs 3090ti is like 1080ti vs 2080ti ...what if the 4070 will be more energy efficient version of 3090/3090ti in 6 months.

40xx series will come with gddr7, that's the signal...always follow vram memory upgrades Wink

the 3090ti is 7 or 8 % better then the 3090.

and it is priced just about the same.

I have 17 or 18 3090 cards and 2 3090ti cards. the 3090ti are better.

the 1080ti and the 2080ti had a large price jump. like 700 to 1100 usd

and hash was only 50 to 55

so the 3090ti is decent enough.

of course if we go pos in July all cards go in the shitter. Since mining ⛏ with gpus will take a huge hit.

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3090ti released half year before 40xx release date.

Remember when 2080ti'ers got 3070'd ??..well it is nice to own one but don't go full blast on those 3090ti's

In crypto "timing" is a huge factor.. 3090's x3 the 1080ti's and ROI'd..and that is a very good thing.

3090ti x3 the 1080ti too, imagine if the 4090 x4 or x5 the 1080ti.

1080ti~2080ti~3070

3090 vs 3090ti is like 1080ti vs 2080ti ...what if the 4070 will be more energy efficient version of 3090/3090ti in 6 months.

40xx series will come with gddr7, that's the signal...always follow vram memory upgrades Wink

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i own lots of cards

3090ti
3090
3080ti
3080
3070
3060ti
3060 sold them
2060 12gb
1080ti

rtx a5000
rtx a4500
rtx a4000
rtx a2000

amd 6800xt
amd 6700xt
amd 6600

amd 5700xt
amd 5700
amd 5600xt
amd 5600
amd 5500xt

w6600

most all of the cards above have a place in mining

maybe not the amd w6600 too costly and low hashrate

in a magical world i would want a2000 and a4500 nothing else and all in miderdude cases.

but the world is not magical and I have all of those above.

to me the op question was 3090 vs 3090ti

and the 3090ti are better in everyway but they are fat fat fat. 3.5 slots

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Quote from: FP91G on April 07, 2022, 06:21:05 AM

Quote from: TreyARC on April 06, 2022, 04:29:13 AM

Quote from: Daltonik on April 03, 2022, 06:57:35 AM

Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.

Yep I read about this 4090 using 600Watt online, I'm guessing and thinking how this GPU will perform in cooling, a powerful GPU that uses 600watt can't be cool using a thermal pad and paste, I hope Nvidia knows what they are doing this time around, we dont want to experience RTX 3080s and 3090s all over again.

I think this is the maximum power consumption, but the real power will be about 300-400 watts. At 600 watts, a more modern cooling system is tedious. Although AMD had a dual-chip AMD Radeon HD 7990 graphics card that consumed about 500 watts, but the miners used it with the correct settings and downvolting, so its consumption was about 350 watts.

Like 295x2 is 500w too

600w is a new paradigm.

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Quote from: TreyARC on April 06, 2022, 04:29:13 AM

Quote from: Daltonik on April 03, 2022, 06:57:35 AM

Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.

Yep I read about this 4090 using 600Watt online, I'm guessing and thinking how this GPU will perform in cooling, a powerful GPU that uses 600watt can't be cool using a thermal pad and paste, I hope Nvidia knows what they are doing this time around, we dont want to experience RTX 3080s and 3090s all over again.

I think this is the maximum power consumption, but the real power will be about 300-400 watts. At 600 watts, a more modern cooling system is tedious. Although AMD had a dual-chip AMD Radeon HD 7990 graphics card that consumed about 500 watts, but the miners used it with the correct settings and downvolting, so its consumption was about 350 watts.

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3090 Ti all the way, the increased in density for the VRAM GDDR6X and all of them sitting on the front of the PCB makes a whole world of difference for cooling and maintenance work. You don't need to add active cooling/heatsinks to the backplate anymore like you do on the RTX 3090 to get better VRAM temperature.

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Quote from: TreyARC on April 06, 2022, 04:29:13 AM

Quote from: Daltonik on April 03, 2022, 06:57:35 AM

Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.

Yep I read about this 4090 using 600Watt online, I'm guessing and thinking how this GPU will perform in cooling, a powerful GPU that uses 600watt can't be cool using a thermal pad and paste, I hope Nvidia knows what they are doing this time around, we dont want to experience RTX 3080s and 3090s all over again.

600w is already an appliance wattage level, imagine having an oven toaster inside your computer case LOL

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Quote from: Daltonik on April 03, 2022, 06:57:35 AM

Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.

Yep I read about this 4090 using 600Watt online, I'm guessing and thinking how this GPU will perform in cooling, a powerful GPU that uses 600watt can't be cool using a thermal pad and paste, I hope Nvidia knows what they are doing this time around, we dont want to experience RTX 3080s and 3090s all over again.

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it is like r9 290 vs r9 290x

maybe 3090ti usefulness is to lower the price of 3090? LOL

A5000, 3090, 3080, 3080ti....a good bullrun will put all of these out of shelves, people panicking to grab any of those cardss, all will ROI.. LOL

hell even gpus from graves are will be dug up Grin

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I would buy 2 AMD Radeon RX 6800 video cards instead of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti and get the same profit for the same power consumption, but I would not have problems with overheating. 3090Ti or 3090 are good video cards, but they are not for beginners in mining, because any mistake is a big loss.

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If you are so into RTX 3090 and 3080 be prepared to start changing their thermal pads with a copper plate or copper shim a few months later, after using these copper mods you will enjoy mining on those cards.

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Quote from: JangoUnchained on April 03, 2022, 06:01:42 AM

I don't want any of these two graphic cards for one reason, they get high temp after a few months of running them for mining, you will enjoy them for a while probably for 4-5 months and the high temp will come out of nowhere.

Totally agree. I stop getting high end Nvidia cards for this. You have to slow down then if you want make then last, i hate change the thermalpads, soo a card that say on a webpage 124 mhs you have to make it work at 100 mhs if you want make it last.

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Quote from: JangoUnchained on April 03, 2022, 06:01:42 AM

I don't want any of these two graphic cards for one reason, they get high temp after a few months of running them for mining, you will enjoy them for a while probably for 4-5 months and the high temp will come out of nowhere.

They save lots of spaces that's why they are better GPU for building mining rigs, anyone that wants to embark on 3080s and 3090s journey they should be ready for all the extra cooling too, its not as if they are impossible to cool.

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Quote from: 5W-KILO on April 03, 2022, 11:25:57 PM

The RTX A series all the way, these cards are more costly but you won't have to face any heat issues like those RTX 3080 and 3090s, if you want a higher-end GPU like 3090s then buy RTX A5000.

Well, it's just the same 3080 with 24Gb of memory, but at a whiter price, I don't think it can be a good choice, it's better to use the 3090 in my opinion, so it's not an option.

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The RTX A series all the way, these cards are more costly but you won't have to face any heat issues like those RTX 3080 and 3090s, if you want a higher-end GPU like 3090s then buy RTX A5000.

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Quote from: swogerino on April 03, 2022, 02:33:01 PM

From this list the best from Nvidia is A5000

Not if you consider ROI.

That chart is comparing LHR vs non-LHR hash rates, note the 3080 has a higher hashrate and lower power
consumption than the 3080ti. If LHR mitigation wasn't considered these results aren't very realistic.

There's a big price premium on 3090 & 3090ti and the main feature for mining is no LHR. Whether it's worth
the price is a matter of personal opinion.

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Quote from: Daltonik on April 03, 2022, 05:57:25 AM

Quote from: S3300 on March 30, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

Can you buy a 3090Ti for mining or 3090? I heard the difference in performance is not big, the information I found online says 135MH on 3090ti even if you can get this card for MSRP is it worth it since 3090 is very close in performance too.

You can use for example a calculator on the website hashrate.no to see the performance and approximate revenue when using the 3090ti and compare with others, as well as the approximate payback period and it will not be in favor of the 3090ti.

From this list the best from Nvidia is A5000 because it has the GDDR6 memory compared to the other cards of Nvidia here which all have the GDDR6X and we all know the temperature problems they have.Only the price is somewhat high at near 2000-2300 USD now at Ebay and international markets together with the cooling,these cards have blower cooling style so additional cooling is needed.For me this is the best choice from the ones in the list once price is not a problem and consequently additional cooling too.

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Yes, temperatures, especially of memory chips, are indeed a problem, which, however, is solved with the help of undervolting or using immersion baths, but there is still an ever-increasing energy consumption, which after the release of 4090 at which TDP is expected to be more than 600W.

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I don't want any of these two graphic cards for one reason, they get high temp after a few months of running them for mining, you will enjoy them for a while probably for 4-5 months and the high temp will come out of nowhere.

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Quote from: S3300 on March 30, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

Can you buy a 3090Ti for mining or 3090? I heard the difference in performance is not big, the information I found online says 135MH on 3090ti even if you can get this card for MSRP is it worth it since 3090 is very close in performance too.

You can use for example a calculator on the website hashrate.no to see the performance and approximate revenue when using the 3090ti and compare with others, as well as the approximate payback period and it will not be in favor of the 3090ti.

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Quote from: dedizonesv2 on March 31, 2022, 12:07:57 AM

Quote from: S3300 on March 30, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

Can you buy a 3090Ti for mining or 3090? I heard the difference in performance is not big, the information I found online says 135MH on 3090ti even if you can get this card for MSRP is it worth it since 3090 is very close in performance too.

I preferred to bet on 3080 Ti which is for me the best ratio for future crypto-like Ergo, RVN and more

All Nvidia high-end GPUs are good for other algorithms like Flux, Ergo and RVN including RTX3070ti and RTX3080, OP trying to choose between 3090 and 3090ti is not worth it because there is only a 15-20MH difference, go for the cheapest.

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Quote from: S3300 on March 30, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

Can you buy a 3090Ti for mining or 3090? I heard the difference in performance is not big, the information I found online says 135MH on 3090ti even if you can get this card for MSRP is it worth it since 3090 is very close in performance too.

I preferred to bet on 3080 Ti which are for me the best ratio for future crypto like Ergo, RVN and more

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Can you buy a 3090Ti for mining or 3090? I heard the difference in performance is not big, the information I found online says 135MH on 3090ti even if you can get this card for MSRP is it worth it since 3090 is very close in performance too.

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