I would like to point out that Russia has very small prison sentences for cybercrime. In the United States or Europe, this punishment would be many times greater.
Thanks for this point. Perhaps, this explains why the op made such a fallacious statement. I also had difficulty accepting what he wrote about the Russian government giving cybercriminals a free pass. I didn't believe it because no sensible government would do that. Even if the cybercriminals do not target fellow Russians but decide to go after non citizens, a thief is a thief and should be made to face the full wrath of the law.
Topic: 4 REvil Ransomware Members Sentenced in Russia (Read 201 times)
I knew this was a similar news. It happened about two years ago and Russia did that according to news sources based on requests from the US. From the link provided they have been in custody since 2022 and just got their sentencing. I hate criminals and they especially those who do it to hurt people . And this also serves as a reminder that crime doesn't pay. Sooner than later criminals will be caught unless they chage their ways. The quote :
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All defendants have been in custody since early 2022. They have not admitted their guilt. The arrests of the alleged REvil members, who are called pro-Russian cybercriminals in the Western press, took place in several regions of the Russian Federation in June 2021. A few days before, the presidents of Russia and the United States had a telephone conversation, during which Joe Biden asked Vladimir Putin to stop the activities of hackers-extortionists.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7263987
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7263987
I would like to point out that Russia has very small prison sentences for cybercrime. In the United States or Europe, this punishment would be many times greater.
Thanks for this point. Perhaps, this explains why the op made such a fallacious statement. I also had difficulty accepting what he wrote about the Russian government giving cybercriminals a free pass. I didn't believe it because no sensible government would do that. Even if the cybercriminals do not target fellow Russians but decide to go after non citizens, a thief is a thief and should be made to face the full wrath of the law. There have been plenty of examples in the world where very long sentences or the death penalty have been imposed for offences, but this has not been a deterrent. Russian history, 1917, US history, Prohibition.
It is true that there would always be all sorts of criminals, even if those who were caught were given long sentences, we both know it is not going to completely eradicate criminality, that's not even possible. However, i still feel it has an effect and even it it deters one or two people or gangs, it has served its purpose, no?https://stat.xn----7sbqk8achja.xn--p1ai/stats/ug/t/14/s/17
According to statistics, approximately 50% of all crimes are related to non-payment of alimony, theft, fraud and possession and sale of drugs.
Drug-related criminal cases in Russia carry very long prison sentences, up to 15 years, and the sentences for all offences add up. But even a life sentence will not solve the drug problem, because it is one of the most lucrative businesses in the world. Analyse these statistics in your country and draw the right conclusions.
There have been plenty of examples in the world where very long sentences or the death penalty have been imposed for offences, but this has not been a deterrent. Russian history, 1917, US history, Prohibition.
It is true that there would always be all sorts of criminals, even if those who were caught were given long sentences, we both know it is not going to completely eradicate criminality, that's not even possible. However, i still feel it has an effect and even it it deters one or two people or gangs, it has served its purpose, no? I will always support the idea that cybercriminals and scammers who run crypto firms should get a longer time in prison if they are convicted of crime, so it will act as a deterrent to others.
There have been plenty of examples in the world where very long sentences or the death penalty have been imposed for offences, but this has not been a deterrent. Russian history, 1917, US history, Prohibition. Quote
Zayets and Malozemov were sentenced to 4.5 and 5 years in a general regime penal colony, respectively. Khansvyarov and Puzyrevsky received 5.5 and 6 years, respectively.
The sentences are not a strong enough deterrent in my honest opinion, and people involved in cybercrime would rather take the risk of scamming people and getting away with millions without being caught, because even if they are 'unlucky' and get caught, the punishment is not so terrible. I will always support the idea that cybercriminals and scammers who run crypto firms should get a longer time in prison if they are convicted of crime, so it will act as a deterrent to others.
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I would like to point out that Russia has very small prison sentences for cybercrime. In the United States or Europe, this punishment would be many times greater.
I would like to point out that Russia has very small prison sentences for cybercrime. In the United States or Europe, this punishment would be many times greater.
It seems to me that the penalties are not higher even in the US or the EU for cybercrime - at least I got that impression from all the cases that were discussed on this forum. I don't believe that all these criminals would have received a much higher sentence if they had been tried in the US - because if you return the money, repent and snitch on someone, you usually get a suspended sentence.
How much fine did that scammer Trapani get? Instead of being in prison, he makes documentaries about how good it feels to be a criminal and make a lot of money - the system is quite strange in some cases.
CZ got off with big fines, Aleksey Pertsev got 64 months in prison.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/tornado-cash-developer-alexey-pertsev-denied-bail-while-awaiting-appeal
"Alexey Pertsev, the developer behind the United States Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC)-sanctioned crypto mixer Tornado Cash, has been denied bail while his lawyers prepare to submit an appeal for charges of money laundering.
Pertsev’s defense lawyer, Keith Cheng, told DL News that the rejection of his bail request came as a surprise. He noted that an additional request for Pertsev to gain access to a computer to prepare for his appeal was also denied."
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I would like to point out that Russia has very small prison sentences for cybercrime. In the United States or Europe, this punishment would be many times greater.
I would like to point out that Russia has very small prison sentences for cybercrime. In the United States or Europe, this punishment would be many times greater.
It seems to me that the penalties are not higher even in the US or the EU for cybercrime - at least I got that impression from all the cases that were discussed on this forum. I don't believe that all these criminals would have received a much higher sentence if they had been tried in the US - because if you return the money, repent and snitch on someone, you usually get a suspended sentence.
How much fine did that scammer Trapani get? Instead of being in prison, he makes documentaries about how good it feels to be a criminal and make a lot of money - the system is quite strange in some cases.
We can say that it is positive that they were convicted, but you did not write what exact punishments they received? It's no secret that every convict in Russia can exchange his sentence for participation in the war - if he survives for 6 months, he gets his freedom back. The guys from this story could serve their sentence that way too.
Your information is old. Nowadays in Russia you do not need to be convicted. A person can sign a contract for military service after being detained, and the criminal case is suspended. Contracts for military service are now open-ended. After a person is discharged, receives an award, or is wounded, which does not allow him to continue serving under the contract, the criminal case is closed.I would like to point out that Russia has very small prison sentences for cybercrime. In the United States or Europe, this punishment would be many times greater.
Cyber criminal are criminals! They are harmful to the society and especially to the businesses around the world. It's a pleasure to see that such criminals are getting prosecuted. I would like to see more and more such criminals behind the bars!
I can see some people think that criminals are protected by their country but that's only true for North Korea. I don't think Russia protects these criminals at all and this incident is going to set an example in front of the world. Not sure if Joe Biden really spoke with Vladimir Putin on this, but I am sure Joe Biden has more important things to speak. The world is going through a crisis at this moment. Probably Joe Biden stops his push to include Ukraine to NATO. It might end the Russia-Ukraine war!
I can see some people think that criminals are protected by their country but that's only true for North Korea. I don't think Russia protects these criminals at all and this incident is going to set an example in front of the world. Not sure if Joe Biden really spoke with Vladimir Putin on this, but I am sure Joe Biden has more important things to speak. The world is going through a crisis at this moment. Probably Joe Biden stops his push to include Ukraine to NATO. It might end the Russia-Ukraine war!
What are your thoughts on this one? Could this set a precedence in the future that the government is really going after this cyber criminals moving forward?
Criminals deserve to be punished. I am glad that they have been sentenced to prison and it will serve as a deterrent to others who feel that they can be protected by the government. Quote
What makes the them chased after the REvil ransomware group this time?
The article pointed out that Joe Biden spoke with Vladimir Putin on the phone and told him to handle Russian hackers-extorters. Maybe the Russian President is showing Joe that his government doesn't support criminals. Quote
This group has been wrecking havoc for many years if I'm not mistaken and now they have put an end with the sentencing of 4 of their members.
It's sad to see people lose their hard-earned money to criminals. Hoping that more of these hackers will be arrested and put in jail. That they can do but do you think a coder involved in the crime of creating ransomware will be able to survive the war for 6 months 
They have the option but I doubt they would avoid fighting the war unless the Russian government makes it mandatory for criminals.
They have the option but I doubt they would avoid fighting the war unless the Russian government makes it mandatory for criminals. You are right there, but in that case they can offer their "services" to the government, because the war is not only fought on the battlefield, but also online. Given the range of punishments as @Jating wrote and the conditions in Russian prisons, any other option that would not include serving as cannon fodder would be acceptable.
In any case, I think that such punishments are very "motivating" in relation to the damage that such people cause with their misdeeds. I don't know if in the Russian penal system there is a possibility to release the convict after 2/3 of the sentence served or maybe there is an option of pardon - but I will repeat again that such small sentences do not send a good message to others who think about such things.
We can say that it is positive that they were convicted, but you did not write what exact punishments they received? It's no secret that every convict in Russia can exchange his sentence for participation in the war - if he survives for 6 months, he gets his freedom back. The guys from this story could serve their sentence that way too.
This is their punishment:
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Zayets and Malozemov were sentenced to 4.5 and 5 years in a general regime penal colony, respectively. Khansvyarov and Puzyrevsky received 5.5 and 6 years, respectively.
And another 4 is awaiting trial, and it is also mentioned that Biden has spoken to Putin about this group and probably they are wrecking havoc on any US industry and that's why they are a must for Russia to be caught and put into trial.
Not sure if they can served or be "force" to go to war to get shorter sentence.
It's no secret that every convict in Russia can exchange his sentence for participation in the war - if he survives for 6 months, he gets his freedom back. The guys from this story could serve their sentence that way too.
That they can do but do you think a coder involved in the crime of creating ransomware will be able to survive the war for 6 months
They have the option but I doubt they would avoid fighting the war unless the Russian government makes it mandatory for criminals.
We can say that it is positive that they were convicted, but you did not write what exact punishments they received? It's no secret that every convict in Russia can exchange his sentence for participation in the war - if he survives for 6 months, he gets his freedom back. The guys from this story could serve their sentence that way too.
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On Friday, October 25, the St. Petersburg Garrison Military Court announced the verdict against Artem Zayets, Aleksey Malozemov, Daniil Puzyrevsky and Ruslan Khansvyarov. The court found them guilty of illegal circulation of means of payment (Part 2 of Article 187 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). Puzyrevsky and Khansvyarov were also found guilty of using and distributing malicious programs (Part 2 of Article 273 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), a Kommersant-SPb correspondent reports from the courtroom.
(Translated from Russian to English) https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7263987
I'm not sure but personally, this is the first time that I have seen the Russian has sentenced their own to be part of a cyber crime ring. We all know that majority of cyber criminals are in Russia, but it's hard to get them persecuted because somewhat the Russian government are not actively pursuing them.
What are your thoughts on this one? Could this set a precedence in the future that the government is really going after this cyber criminals moving forward?
What makes the them chased after the REvil ransomware group this time?
This group has been wrecking havoc for many years if I'm not mistaken and now they have put an end with the sentencing of 4 of their members.
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