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October 23, 2024, 11:49:40 AM
#16
That’s just like bankroll management in gambling. For OP, if he starts with $20,000 for trading, he’d only risk $200 per trade. It’s basically the amount he’s comfortable losing on each trade.
That is a good risk management. To be using just 1% of his trading fund for trading. Even if he loses the money, he will not be thinking about the losses just as it is in gambling.

It is what the OP meant because that’s the term they usually use on forex since they don’t set stop losses like the crypto exchange, they use the entire 1% to enter a trade or to set their lots size using that as a bench mark so they don’t lose more than that when a stop loss is it, this doesn’t changes no matter the number of trades they open.

As for crypto trading you can also implement this, what you do is manually calculate your percentage risk like 1% of 10k which is 100 then you set your position size according to this by multiplying it with the leverage you intend to use. For example $100 trade in a 10x leverage will be $1000 position size and a 50x will be $5000 positions on both leveraged the stop loss won’t exceed the $100, so you need to check it too for confirmation
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October 23, 2024, 08:22:13 AM
#15
Let's say I have $1K, I use all of my amount per each trade, but I only earn or loss 1%.

In gambling, if I have $1K, I use 1% of my amount per each bet, the reward is vary based on the odds I choose, but the loss is 100%.

If @OP is use 1% amount from entire amount to trade and risking 1%, it's not surprising he only earn less than 2%.
Nobody knows who gets it right unless the OP come back to this forum to explain what he is talking about. But I do not think there are traders that will risk just 1% of the money they have in their trading account. I find it hard to believe. But do you know the worst thing about OP? Check his profile to know when he was last active and also check when he posted this topic. You will find out that it was the same day, hour and minute. I do not think he is here to contribute anything meaningful.
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October 23, 2024, 02:55:41 AM
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Can you show the trading history? this is what I get when I use the site you mentioned above.



That’s just like bankroll management in gambling. For OP, if he starts with $20,000 for trading, he’d only risk $200 per trade. It’s basically the amount he’s comfortable losing on each trade.
Seems you get it wrong.

Let's say I have $1K, I use all of my amount per each trade, but I only earn or loss 1%.

In gambling, if I have $1K, I use 1% of my amount per each bet, the reward is vary based on the odds I choose, but the loss is 100%.

If @OP is use 1% amount from entire amount to trade and risking 1%, it's not surprising he only earn less than 2%.
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October 23, 2024, 02:02:55 AM
#13
It could be the Fee, especially if he is a scalper. I do not know about forex but if it is an exchange, using an exchange with low fee charge will be better. Also he can set TP limit order which would be of lower fee charge.

Yep, OP can look at different comparison articles to get an idea about fees for each exchange and choose what would suit him best.
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October 23, 2024, 01:50:54 AM
#12
That’s just like bankroll management in gambling. For OP, if he starts with $20,000 for trading, he’d only risk $200 per trade. It’s basically the amount he’s comfortable losing on each trade.
That is a good risk management. To be using just 1% of his trading fund for trading. Even if he loses the money, he will not be thinking about the losses just as it is in gambling.

And, as it was said, it may be the fees that are working their magic, basically.
It could be the Fee, especially if he is a scalper. I do not know about forex but if it is an exchange, using an exchange with low fee charge will be better. Also he can set TP limit order which would be of lower fee charge.
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October 23, 2024, 01:33:01 AM
#11
What do you mean by risk is 1% per trade? I do not understand that.

That’s just like bankroll management in gambling. For OP, if he starts with $20,000 for trading, he’d only risk $200 per trade. It’s basically the amount he’s comfortable losing on each trade.

Yeah, and it's better to be done this way.
With a strategy in mind.
And, as it was said, it may be the fees that are working their magic, basically.
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October 23, 2024, 12:33:42 AM
#10
What do you mean by risk is 1% per trade? I do not understand that.

That’s just like bankroll management in gambling. For OP, if he starts with $20,000 for trading, he’d only risk $200 per trade. It’s basically the amount he’s comfortable losing on each trade.
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October 22, 2024, 07:47:57 PM
#9
So did a short only test and on EURUSD got a 61% win rate and on AUDUSD got 65% win rate however I got less than 2%.
Is it my code thats the issue or what could cause this.I have taking 137 trades and  According to winrate.ie I should be at 33% profit
I don't know much about Forex trading as I've only traded Forex many years ago only for testing purpose and to be honest I can't give you 100% accurate answer here. But, as far as it comes to trading then I'm pretty sure that in Forex trading one uses huge leverage and that leverage might come with some high fees as well. Another thing I might believe is that the score you got from winrate.ie might not be accurate and in real you earned only less than 2% profit rather than making 33% profit. However, I believe someone with depth knowledge of Forex can guide you in a better way.
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October 22, 2024, 07:42:04 PM
#8
Maybe the fee eats up your profit?

that's always be the case for me, but I don't know with forex, but as far as I know, using leveraged trade on exchange always gives me huge fee that could eat up about 5% of my entire profit.

honestly you can also try to calculate manually on what went wrong, because there's just too many things that could decrease our profit.

What do you mean by risk is 1% per trade? I do not understand that.

maybe 1% of his entire account's balance for each trade, i know many traders do this for the sake of risk management.
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October 22, 2024, 06:57:29 PM
#7
Personally, I noticed it's easy to short vs Longing. Maybe it's just my trading style, but there are also lots of factors in play that can affect your winrate.

For example, the market trend. The uptrend favours most long positions, which means more wins for longs vs Shorts. A downtrend favours most short positions, which means more wins for shorts vs Longs.

Also, what was your risk reward ratio?

You meant winrate.io instead of winrate.ie, right?
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October 22, 2024, 06:39:55 PM
#6
Honestly, there’s no foolproof strategy that works every single time. You might see it perform well during testing because you're actively involved and running multiple trials. But the real question is: why doesn’t it work in live trading? The reality is, live and demo trading are two different things. You don’t get the same results for it because conditions are just not the same.

One big factor is price volatility—it’s often the reason live trading is much tougher than testing or using a demo account. So while some people may find success with a certain strategy, we can’t assume we’ll get the same results. The game can change based on price trends and decision-making at the moment.
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October 21, 2024, 10:01:38 PM
#5
Hi - this relates to trades on Forex but relates to trading in general
I am testing some pinescript code to trade in lots and risking 1% per trade
On my strategy testing code I noticed shorts doing better than longs
So did a short only test and on EURUSD got a 61% win rate and on AUDUSD got 65% win rate however I got less than 2%.

At the moment I have no experience in this type of trading and also don't know what kind of strategy you are using that can get a win rate at a much higher percentage.
In longer term trading conditions I am not able to make a 1% risk scheme for Trading as there are always changing conditions or even in a much higher percentage.
There are two directions that we may often see when it comes to trading, it can be short term or long term trading.

To test the level of truth of the strategy pattern you mean, you should be able to share the trading results, but I am not sure that it can work well according to your wishes.
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October 21, 2024, 05:39:21 PM
#4
Hi - this relates to trades on Forex but relates to trading in general
I am testing some pinescript code to trade in lots and risking 1% per trade
On my strategy testing code I noticed shorts doing better than longs
So did a short only test and on EURUSD got a 61% win rate and on AUDUSD got 65% win rate however I got less than 2%.
Is it my code thats the issue or what could cause this.I have taking 137 trades and  According to winrate.ie I should be at 33% profit
Do you mean you first manually analysed the market to know that the Sell mode is more profitable? Then that means your strategy will be inconsistent. You should have tested it on both sides or better still leave the strategy to decide on whether to buy or sell rather than forcing a single-direction strategy on it.

This might also be the issue you are trying to figure out because the strategy is no longer flexible but homogenously forced to take short positions alone.
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October 21, 2024, 02:28:52 PM
#3
What do you mean by risk is 1% per trade? I do not understand that.

On my strategy testing code I noticed shorts doing better than longs
A trader can be a short or long trader. Some traders go any direction which their analyses points towards.

What I have noticed about trading is that you should use small amount of money to start. Like if you have $500, you can use $100 for trading and later average it and not go more than the leverage that will make the trading to be very risky. That will depend on the coin that you are trading.

Also it is good to trade with the money that you can afford to lose. You can be trading for days and be winning and later losses may could arise from trading. Trading is good if you plan it very well and if you are not greedy, otherwise it would be like gambling and waste of money.
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October 21, 2024, 11:13:36 AM
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I have no experience trading forex and am not sure what strategy you used in your pinescript. Can you share the pinescript?

If you rely on this pine script and get good results during the testing phase, I do not think it will work in live trading.
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October 20, 2024, 08:46:51 AM
#1
Hi - this relates to trades on Forex but relates to trading in general
I am testing some pinescript code to trade in lots and risking 1% per trade
On my strategy testing code I noticed shorts doing better than longs
So did a short only test and on EURUSD got a 61% win rate and on AUDUSD got 65% win rate however I got less than 2%.
Is it my code thats the issue or what could cause this.I have taking 137 trades and  According to winrate.ie I should be at 33% profit
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