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Quote from: tokexchain on December 18, 2018, 07:13:53 AM

Quote from: Marvell2 on December 18, 2018, 01:52:45 AM

proccessor is too weak, ram can probaby be sweapped out but an i3 or higer is best for rigs now due to algos like mtp

The processor does not matter as the GPUS are the main reason for this rig, you could probably still mine on the CPU, one extra hash is one extra hash, right?

It only has to do one job, is not a media centre or gaming PC... Nice looking unit anyway, looks well made too. Would be good if there were a choice of PSUs if you did not want to utilize or need all that power.

Complete rubbish !
Dependant on what coin you mine, the cpu and ram can have a massive effect on gpu performance. You must only mine a limit range of coins.
Several coins i mine require 4gb ram per 1080ti, and at least 1 dedicated thread per card, otherwise hash rate can half, or sometimes you cannot even utilise all cards.
I have been using a min of quad core (8 threads) and 8Gb ram in all my rigs for over a year now, and it makes a difference (to some coins)

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At least the product looks interesting.
What is the dimension between PCI-e slots? Is it compatible with 3-slots GPUs?

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Quote from: x8664amd on January 09, 2019, 04:44:27 AM

Quote from: dragonmike on January 08, 2019, 08:21:59 AM

At the risk of having this judged as being a thread hijack (I'm still going ahead with it Grin

), I was wondering what the best (i.e. cheapest) case would be for an Onda D1800 with 6 GPUs on it... It would need to fit the PSU as well I reckon. Don't want to splash out too much cash, but I'm thinking of moving this open-air rig to another place so I need it properly secured.

If cheap is really what you're looking for, just go for a cheapo Rosewill or some knock-off brands on Amazon or Newegg.com. No need to bother about long-term sustainability.

u sound like a bitnand shiller Cheesy

sorry for OT but this pricing is not sustainable in the mining space. a lot of standard solutions work fine. ok the dimensions is a really special thing about it but 90% of mining farms dont really care about it. shelf-space is not the limit, its mostly the power capacity...

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Quote from: dragonmike on January 08, 2019, 08:21:59 AM

At the risk of having this judged as being a thread hijack (I'm still going ahead with it Grin

), I was wondering what the best (i.e. cheapest) case would be for an Onda D1800 with 6 GPUs on it... It would need to fit the PSU as well I reckon. Don't want to splash out too much cash, but I'm thinking of moving this open-air rig to another place so I need it properly secured.

If cheap is really what you're looking for, just go for a cheapo Rosewill or some knock-off brands on Amazon or Newegg.com. No need to bother about long-term sustainability.

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At the risk of having this judged as being a thread hijack (I'm still going ahead with it Grin

), I was wondering what the best (i.e. cheapest) case would be for an Onda D1800 with 6 GPUs on it... It would need to fit the PSU as well I reckon. Don't want to splash out too much cash, but I'm thinking of moving this open-air rig to another place so I need it properly secured.

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still overpriced at factor x2...

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https://www.bitnand.com/product-page/8-gpu-riserless-4u-mining-system

Actually if you look at the dimensions of the rig, it is a standard 4U size. A lot of imitation rigs out there, including the Octominer, are non-standard size. The Bitnand rig fits inside a 4U rack case.

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Quote from: dragonmike on December 18, 2018, 08:41:45 AM

Quote from: tokexchain on December 18, 2018, 07:13:53 AM

Quote from: Marvell2 on December 18, 2018, 01:52:45 AM

proccessor is too weak, ram can probaby be sweapped out but an i3 or higer is best for rigs now due to algos like mtp

The processor does not matter as the GPUS are the main reason for this rig, you could probably still mine on the CPU, one extra hash is one extra hash, right?

It only has to do one job, is not a media centre or gaming PC... Nice looking unit anyway, looks well made too. Would be good if there were a choice of PSUs if you did not want to utilize or need all that power.

You didn't read what Marvell2 wrote. Yes, this CPU is too weak for algos like mtp (and its very likely soon-to-come offsprings).

The box does look good indeed, but nowadays if you want something future proof, you'll need to get more than a Celery and at least 8GB of ram.

The memory is upgradable, so making this rig future proof is not a problem. I would say the only potential limiting factor is the PSU, but then again that can also be swapped out.

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I have bought over 150 barebones from them. Never had an issue and they have always delivered.

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Quote from: octominer on December 19, 2018, 06:04:57 AM

Quote from: lokki7799 on December 18, 2018, 12:45:20 AM

Does Bitnand offer international shipping? I like this 4U case.

Hey!
OCTOMINER here. We have 4U cases in stock also and we offer international shipping.
We also have a new 12 GPU rig that has a 1151 socketed CPU, it can take up to 6 core i7 CPUs. Usually people spec it with a G3930.
We actually manufacture our own hardware to improve the reliability and functionality. For example our OCTOMINER VENTUS fans in our cases are even more efficient than Delta fans. We put extra effort in to get the fans as efficient as possible, the use double thick PCB boards, thicker copper coiling and imported IC chips and Japanese NMB double ball bearings. This helps bring the power draw down lower per rig and will also improve the lifespan of the fans.

https://octominer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/AMD_BLOCKCHAIN_BANNER_FINAL_.jpg
https://octominer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/VENTUS-FAN-1.jpeg

I think Octominer is a scammy company. I've heard terrible things about them in the past from my friends. The quality of their product is also questionable... last I heard it's made by some tier-4 manufacturer. I would not suggest getting Octominer products. Angry

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if your case wont fit in a standard 19" server rack and wont even accept rails, advertising under the 4U scheme is meaningless. the only people who care about "U"s are people wanting to put stuff in a standard rack.

That said...

Quote from: octominer on December 19, 2018, 06:04:57 AM

Hey!
OCTOMINER here. We have 4U cases in stock also and we offer international shipping.
We also have a new 12 GPU rig that has a 1151 socketed CPU, it can take up to 6 core i7 CPUs. Usually people spec it with a G3930.
We actually manufacture our own hardware to improve the reliability and functionality. For example our OCTOMINER VENTUS fans in our cases are even more efficient than Delta fans. We put extra effort in to get the fans as efficient as possible, the use double thick PCB boards, thicker copper coiling and imported IC chips and Japanese NMB double ball bearings. This helps bring the power draw down lower per rig and will also improve the lifespan of the fans.

I did a quick search and could not find any information about that 12-GPU board that would accept an i7. not on your website, and not anywhere else.

can you post links to the full specs?
what chipset?
how many PCIe lanes per slot?
will they run PCIe gen 3.0 in all slots?

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Quote from: lokki7799 on December 18, 2018, 12:45:20 AM

Does Bitnand offer international shipping? I like this 4U case.

Hey!
OCTOMINER here. We have 4U cases in stock also and we offer international shipping.
We also have a new 12 GPU rig that has a 1151 socketed CPU, it can take up to 6 core i7 CPUs. Usually people spec it with a G3930.
We actually manufacture our own hardware to improve the reliability and functionality. For example our OCTOMINER VENTUS fans in our cases are even more efficient than Delta fans. We put extra effort in to get the fans as efficient as possible, the use double thick PCB boards, thicker copper coiling and imported IC chips and Japanese NMB double ball bearings. This helps bring the power draw down lower per rig and will also improve the lifespan of the fans.

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Good 8-Gpu mining design, add knowledge to building my rig someday, I think 1500 watts is enough.

Quote from: lokki7799 on December 18, 2018, 12:45:20 AM

Does Bitnand offer international shipping? I like this 4U case.

Off course, you can read on they official website, FAQ menu.

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Quote from: tokexchain on December 18, 2018, 07:13:53 AM

Quote from: Marvell2 on December 18, 2018, 01:52:45 AM

proccessor is too weak, ram can probaby be sweapped out but an i3 or higer is best for rigs now due to algos like mtp

The processor does not matter as the GPUS are the main reason for this rig, you could probably still mine on the CPU, one extra hash is one extra hash, right?

It only has to do one job, is not a media centre or gaming PC... Nice looking unit anyway, looks well made too. Would be good if there were a choice of PSUs if you did not want to utilize or need all that power.

You didn't read what Marvell2 wrote. Yes, this CPU is too weak for algos like mtp (and its very likely soon-to-come offsprings).

The box does look good indeed, but nowadays if you want something future proof, you'll need to get more than a Celery and at least 8GB of ram.

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Quote from: Marvell2 on December 18, 2018, 01:52:45 AM

proccessor is too weak, ram can probaby be sweapped out but an i3 or higer is best for rigs now due to algos like mtp

The processor does not matter as the GPUS are the main reason for this rig, you could probably still mine on the CPU, one extra hash is one extra hash, right?

It only has to do one job, is not a media centre or gaming PC... Nice looking unit anyway, looks well made too. Would be good if there were a choice of PSUs if you did not want to utilize or need all that power.

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proccessor is too weak, ram can probaby be sweapped out but an i3 or higer is best for rigs now due to algos like mtp

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Does Bitnand offer international shipping? I like this 4U case.

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If the external width is 485mm, measuring on screen, that means c-c for the cards of about 42mm, 2.1 times normal PCI-PCI distance.
If you have fanless miner card where the cooler flange fills the gap to the next card (and fin direction is designed for that type of airflow), fine, but dual fan GPUs does not even fit (or it's fans will only suck the backplate of its neighbor).

With 60mm c-c you could place dual fan 8GPU on risers in a deep 19" case (mobo and PSU needs to be placed in front of the GPUS and careful design of the airflow is needed). There were some designed like this mentioned before.

Redesigned my now only open air rig to have 80mm c-c and turned off the circulating fan in the basement, now up to 57C but it's very silent now. Living near a server case, not that appealing...

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I bought a bunch of cheap 4U old server chassis cases last summer that I am still playing around with. Basically its the same dimensions as this.

The most GPUs I could fit without them being too close and with a regular sized PSU is 6 GPUs. I wouldn't be able to do 8 GPUs like the above unless I got a slimmer or an external PSU.

So this seems like a nice setup and well designed.

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Having tabs and mounting points doesn’t automatically mean it’s the right width.

None of it matters if rails aren’t available for it. Are they?

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Quote from: gsrcrxsi314 on December 15, 2018, 10:46:16 PM

how much PCIe bandwidth to each slot? the full x16 lanes? or is it gimped to x1? does it run at full PCIe 3.0? or again gimped to lesser like 2.0 or 1.1?

how about the CPU specs? available to upgrade to something with more cajones?

does this actually fit in a standard 19" server rack? or is it too wide like all the other guys selling "4U server" setups? what about rails?

The number of x16 PCIe lanes available is limited by the chipset. These are not all full x16 lanes afaik.

CPU is a mobile Celeron unit, which should be plenty sufficient for mining purposes. CPU isn't the bottleneck in a mining system.

Yes, this is standard 4U rack size. This will fit in a standard 19" server rack. You can even see all the mounting points at the front.

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Quote from: shater on December 14, 2018, 10:24:53 PM

Quote from: dagarair on December 14, 2018, 11:08:26 AM

Quote from: whitesites on December 14, 2018, 10:59:56 AM

If you want to maximize your GPU's life, and hash rates of your cards, build an open air rack. My 8 GPU racks have at least 2 inches of spacing between the cards. in that case the cards are going to be right next to each other meaning each card is going to be sucking in the heat from the neighboring card. The result is once the system warms up. all your cards will be hitting max Temps, and hash rates will drop as the card try to keep temps under control. With something like that you would have to use blower style cards and they don't cool as well or hash as fast as traditional cards.

If you want to be serious about this. Build open air rigs, and keep them at floor level where the cooler air is.

Boy you are totally wrong. I have over 700 machines and at first I thought like you. Testing and research tells you the exact opposite. Forcing air through at a rapid rate with enclosed units will cool the card. I have both still but only like 40-50 open air left to convert. Temp on enclosed rigs are normally 10C cooler IF THE FANS ARE GOOD.

Also on the ground is incorrect, they need to be about 2 ft above ground for optimal cooling. The reason is at ground level the rotating air (vortex) is present. At a level higher that is eliminated.

This looks nice but I hope those fans are fast. Honestly I like Octominer solution best with fans on both entry and exit.

Agreed, the enclosed casing forces air to ram through the GPU. Surprisingly, enclosed case like this got much better cooling performance than open-air rigs.

Absolutely right. It's astonishing what a set of Nidec or Delta fans in a case like this will cool, even at high ambient. Tight spacing is important in forced air rigs - your highest temps will be on the ends where there's a gap. Kinda counter-intuitive...

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how much PCIe bandwidth to each slot? the full x16 lanes? or is it gimped to x1? does it run at full PCIe 3.0? or again gimped to lesser like 2.0 or 1.1?

how about the CPU specs? available to upgrade to something with more cajones?

does this actually fit in a standard 19" server rack? or is it too wide like all the other guys selling "4U server" setups? what about rails?

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Quote from: dagarair on December 14, 2018, 11:08:26 AM

Quote from: whitesites on December 14, 2018, 10:59:56 AM

If you want to maximize your GPU's life, and hash rates of your cards, build an open air rack. My 8 GPU racks have at least 2 inches of spacing between the cards. in that case the cards are going to be right next to each other meaning each card is going to be sucking in the heat from the neighboring card. The result is once the system warms up. all your cards will be hitting max Temps, and hash rates will drop as the card try to keep temps under control. With something like that you would have to use blower style cards and they don't cool as well or hash as fast as traditional cards.

If you want to be serious about this. Build open air rigs, and keep them at floor level where the cooler air is.

Boy you are totally wrong. I have over 700 machines and at first I thought like you. Testing and research tells you the exact opposite. Forcing air through at a rapid rate with enclosed units will cool the card. I have both still but only like 40-50 open air left to convert. Temp on enclosed rigs are normally 10C cooler IF THE FANS ARE GOOD.

Also on the ground is incorrect, they need to be about 2 ft above ground for optimal cooling. The reason is at ground level the rotating air (vortex) is present. At a level higher that is eliminated.

This looks nice but I hope those fans are fast. Honestly I like Octominer solution best with fans on both entry and exit.

Agreed, the enclosed casing forces air to ram through the GPU. Surprisingly, enclosed case like this got much better cooling performance than open-air rigs.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 13, 2018, 09:31:12 AM

Looks beautiful but the Psu is a bit overkill for this unless you populate it wth Gtx 1080 ti cards. In fact I think that would be the most effective cost in long term as I am sure bitcoin price will go up. Unfortunately 1080 ti is still very expensive on the market. There are cheap miners being sold on ebay and even with a cheap price no real demand is seen. I see those ads from a long time now. I have bought one from there and I am happy with it.

well it gives you the option to put 1080tis in there. as for ebay you may have been lucky. we've been buying other miner's rigs lately and have been astounded by the lack of care the hardware received.

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Quote from: whitesites on December 14, 2018, 10:59:56 AM

If you want to maximize your GPU's life, and hash rates of your cards, build an open air rack. My 8 GPU racks have at least 2 inches of spacing between the cards. in that case the cards are going to be right next to each other meaning each card is going to be sucking in the heat from the neighboring card. The result is once the system warms up. all your cards will be hitting max Temps, and hash rates will drop as the card try to keep temps under control. With something like that you would have to use blower style cards and they don't cool as well or hash as fast as traditional cards.

If you want to be serious about this. Build open air rigs, and keep them at floor level where the cooler air is.

Boy you are totally wrong. I have over 700 machines and at first I thought like you. Testing and research tells you the exact opposite. Forcing air through at a rapid rate with enclosed units will cool the card. I have both still but only like 40-50 open air left to convert. Temp on enclosed rigs are normally 10C cooler IF THE FANS ARE GOOD.

Also on the ground is incorrect, they need to be about 2 ft above ground for optimal cooling. The reason is at ground level the rotating air (vortex) is present. At a level higher that is eliminated.

This looks nice but I hope those fans are fast. Honestly I like Octominer solution best with fans on both entry and exit.

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If you want to maximize your GPU's life, and hash rates of your cards, build an open air rack. My 8 GPU racks have at least 2 inches of spacing between the cards. in that case the cards are going to be right next to each other meaning each card is going to be sucking in the heat from the neighboring card. The result is once the system warms up. all your cards will be hitting max Temps, and hash rates will drop as the card try to keep temps under control. With something like that you would have to use blower style cards and they don't cool as well or hash as fast as traditional cards.

If you want to be serious about this. Build open air rigs, and keep them at floor level where the cooler air is.

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Quote from: shater on December 14, 2018, 12:54:06 AM

Quote from: vmozara on December 13, 2018, 03:41:49 PM

Now, the 8-slot case looks like really sweet deal.

My rigs are 7 Vega cards with homemade case, and the costs are:

Motherboard: 150$
Ram: 8gb sodimm: 40$
SSD: 128gb mini sata: $50
Power supply 1200W, breakout board and 17x power cables: 100$
Wooden and aluminum parts for case: $20

total: 360$ + time effort to make the case.
So this nice looking case is just a little bit more than my DIY solution, having much bigger PSU but a little bit less ram and ssd. I wish there was such a deal when I was building the rigs, but now it doesn't make sense for me, only if i was going to build new rigs.

I think ram can be swapped out. Though tbh, if you're mining on Linux, 4GB ram is plenty enough. You don't need anything more than that.

little bit = almost 3x the costs....

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Quote from: vmozara on December 13, 2018, 03:41:49 PM

Now, the 8-slot case looks like really sweet deal.

My rigs are 7 Vega cards with homemade case, and the costs are:

Motherboard: 150$
Ram: 8gb sodimm: 40$
SSD: 128gb mini sata: $50
Power supply 1200W, breakout board and 17x power cables: 100$
Wooden and aluminum parts for case: $20

total: 360$ + time effort to make the case.
So this nice looking case is just a little bit more than my DIY solution, having much bigger PSU but a little bit less ram and ssd. I wish there was such a deal when I was building the rigs, but now it doesn't make sense for me, only if i was going to build new rigs.

I think ram can be swapped out. Though tbh, if you're mining on Linux, 4GB ram is plenty enough. You don't need anything more than that.

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Now, the 8-slot case looks like really sweet deal.

My rigs are 7 Vega cards with homemade case, and the costs are:

Motherboard: 150$
Ram: 8gb sodimm: 40$
SSD: 128gb mini sata: $50
Power supply 1200W, breakout board and 17x power cables: 100$
Wooden and aluminum parts for case: $20

total: 360$ + time effort to make the case.
So this nice looking case is just a little bit more than my DIY solution, having much bigger PSU but a little bit less ram and ssd. I wish there was such a deal when I was building the rigs, but now it doesn't make sense for me, only if i was going to build new rigs.

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Looks beautiful but the Psu is a bit overkill for this unless you populate it wth Gtx 1080 ti cards. In fact I think that would be the most effective cost in long term as I am sure bitcoin price will go up. Unfortunately 1080 ti is still very expensive on the market. There are cheap miners being sold on ebay and even with a cheap price no real demand is seen. I see those ads from a long time now. I have bought one from there and I am happy with it.

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yeah, not unlike the Octominer and Onda boards. To be fair I've found this type of layout very effective in terms of airflow, compared to more traditional 4u cases. Trouble is, you'd be crazy to buy one now. Secondhand market is stuffed with similar hardware for bargain prices...

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Pretty cool system from the guys over at bitnand.com. A riserless 8-GPU system placed inside a 4U rack server case. This systems comes with a server-grade 2500W power supply.

The whole miner is fully enclosed with front-to-back facing fans for clean airflow.

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