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PG&E CEO Earning $2 Million a Year Makes OUTRAGEOUS Comments to Californians Struggling to Afford Food



PG&E is under investigation as blackouts roll across California, leaving many residents in the dark for an indefinite amount of time. The blackouts are the power giant's solution to dangerous sparking power lines caused by high winds. These sparks have been blamed for many of the wildfires that have devastated California and caused billions of dollars in damage.

PG&E is in the position of being held responsible for its power lines starting the fires that have devastated California and caused over 80 deaths. As a result, they have instituted blackouts. Their solution to the "problem" of burning down homes with sparks from their power lines is to simply shut off power to thousands of their customers in California. This major inconvenience comes without much recourse for their customers. As blackouts stretch for hours and even days, their customers are without basic utilities such as water, household appliances, phones, and even running water. They have low cell phone batteries with no way to charge them, no way to wash their clothes, and – significantly – no way to keep their food in their refrigerators from spoiling.

Blackouts are causing outrage from citizens experiencing unreliable services. And even as PG&E cuts off the power, which in some cases results in cell tower malfunctions, the fires continue to rage.

"PG&E has been turning off power across vast parts of its service area during high winds because fallen power lines are a major cause of wildfires. The blackouts have drawn widespread criticism. But if PG&E, fearful of the backlash, limits the scope of its power cuts, there could be more fires," The New York Times reports.

Here's what PG&E's CEO had to say about the rampant food insecurity.

As the state struggles, the most vulnerable of its citizens suffer as their hard-earned money gets thrown in the garbage in the form of rotten food from fridges without power. To say that PG&E is not sympathetic is an understatement.

Dan Noyes of ABC News asked PG&E President and CEO Bill Johnson some tough questions about the strain the blackouts are putting on families:

Noyes: "What do you say to people who just can't afford to restock their fridges and are losing all this food they've had in their households after these shut offs?"

Johnson: "These events can be hard on people, really hard on people, particularly people who have struggles anyways and there are community-based things you can do, food banks, these kind of things. But for us, you know the main thing is we didn't cause any fires, we didn't, for these people we didn't burn down any houses, the Kincade fire is still under investigation, I got that, but one of the things we did was give them the opportunity to actually refill their refrigerator 'cause their house is still there." (source)

These out-of-touch comments from PG&E CEO Bill Johnson – who earns over $2 Million per year – have sparked outrage.

Here are some social media comments shared by ABC 30:


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I guess the democrats are responsible for fire, mudslide, and earthquake risk too. 

There are still many people around the US who don't know that California is having fire problems. But if they know about it, they don't really have a clue what it is like, or how bad it is.

So, congratulations that you finally figured out who is responsible for that CA mess.

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I guess the democrats are responsible for fire, mudslide, and earthquake risk too. 
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

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"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."
PG&E has served democrats agenda for years at the expense of maintaining their grid.

If electric companies were advancing profits over public safety, there would be similar problems elsewhere in the country, but there is not (except PR). The common denominator is corrupt democrat politicians running government almost unopposed for decades.
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Can anyone in this forum confirm this?


Insurers tell California citizens to drop dead: Fire coverage yanked from 350,000 residents in response to PG&E power blackouts and ‘fire risk’



Why Americans continue to elect Democrats, whose policies are tyrannical and economically destructive, is a mystery.

That is especially the case in California, which is a case study in authoritarianism when one political party possesses a super majority.

Recently, California – an arid state despite the fact that it has a large Pacific coastline – suffered through several very destructive, deadly wildfires that many experts blamed on the Democrats’ goofy, nonsensical environmental policies.

In particular, environmental policies that prevent energy companies from clear-cutting dead brush and trees away from power lines.

“California has a lot of public land, federal land and state land, and there are strict restrictions on a lot of that regarding logging and even removal of dead and diseased trees,” notes Bonner Cohen, a senior fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research. “You have tinderboxes brought to you courtesy of either the federal government, or the state government, or – tragically in some cases – both.”

But rationality isn’t something that guides Democratic environmental policy-making in California. As such, the state’s residents suffer.

As reported by Fox Business, because of the increasing instances of wildfires in the state, hundreds of thousands of residents are losing their fire insurance:

Insurance has become a serious problem in California as wildfires — past and present — wreak havoc on the state.

After last year’s devastating wildfires, insurance companies are balking at fire coverage policy renewals for more than 350,000 residents in high-risk areas.


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Go to the site and look at the pictures. Most of these people are simple, good people, living their lives in the best ways they can. Many of them are believers in God. They are losing everything. How can God let this happen to them?

We all lose everything at the end of our lives. It's because of our sin against God. California has areas of some of the worst sinning done among peaceful people. We are losing everything because we didn't regulate our government to stop the excessive sinning. God is stopping it for us, but He is showing those of us who are His, that we will lose everything in this life anyway. And He is doing it in ways that warn the gross sinners tto change, or He will come for them in ways that won't be pleasant.


Up to 2.1 million people could have their power cut in California --



California governor Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency for Sonoma and Los Angeles counties

He said of PG&E: 'They simply did not do their job. We will hold them accountable. This cannot continue'

The utility company say up to 2.1 million people in Northern and Central California could lose power

A PG&E high-voltage power line malfunctioned minutes before a Northern California wildfire broke out

2,000 people have been evacuated, 49 homes have been destroyed and 21,900 acres have been burned

California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said just five per cent of the fire had been contained 

There are currently nine active wildfires in California including the Cabrillo Fire, Kincade Fire, Muir Fire and Nelson Fire in the north; and the Mines Fire, Saddle Ridge Fire and Tick Fire in the south.


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I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.

I don't care whether you walk or fly or stumble around or slither.

Jet fuel is an extract from oil, and it should remain that way. That's due to various aspects of airplane operation that you really have no clue about.

Babble your green nonsense on other topics, where the debate actually has some level of merit. Cars, for example.


Thanks man.  I'll take your word on it without any explanation.  Could you also notify Airbus and the Bavarian government of your aviation prowess.?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbus-germany-biofuels/from-green-slime-to-jet-fuel-algae-offers-airlines-a-cleaner-future-idUSKCN0Z117F
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Clearly the problem is that one of the richest places on the planet most socialist places in the USA cannot afford to build power lines. 

Fixed that for you.
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I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.

I don't care whether you walk or fly or stumble around or slither.

Jet fuel is an extract from oil, and it should remain that way. That's due to various aspects of airplane operation that you really have no clue about.

Babble your green nonsense on other topics, where the debate actually has some level of merit. Cars, for example.

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Clearly the problem is that one of the richest places on the planet cannot afford to build power lines. 
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Burying the lines would wipe out profits but benefit everyone.  This is why a big utility that everyone relies on should never be private.

If only waving a magic Communism wand made the resources and labor required for this to happen magically appear, you might have a point.
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I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.

Very very expensive to go to underground wires after it's been done. It's something that they're most likely going to think about doing for certain areas (if the power lines have already burnt out) but I don't think all of Cali is going to go underground as the cost is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE.

And even at a certain point there does have to be exposed wires. Most of Europe isn't exposed due to when they got the power cables built and put in -- very different time compared to the US.

Burying the lines would wipe out profits but benefit everyone.  This is why a big utility that everyone relies on should never be private.
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They're doing it again!!!


California utility begins another blackout amid fire fears



The fire in the Sonoma County wine region north of San Francisco grew to more than 15 square miles before dawn and authorities ordered evacuations near the small community of Geyserville.

There was no immediate information about what caused the fire, but wildfire risk was extremely high as humidity levels plunged and gusty winds up to 70 mph hit the region.

The Pacific Gas & Electric Co. utility on Wednesday began rolling blackouts stretching from the Sierra foothills in the northeast to portions of the San Francisco Bay Area in a bid to keep the electrical grid from causing fires due to wind that can send power lines toppling, starting fires.

The blackouts impacted a half-million people — or nearly 180,000 customers — in 15 counties, and PG&E warned that a second round of outages could occur over the weekend when winds return to the region.


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"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

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they will have a solution -> vassal status to china. so china fixes their infrastructure.paying europeans russians or american companies is not in their price range.
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I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.
It's something that they're most likely going to think about doing for certain areas (if the power lines have already burnt out) but I don't think all of Cali is going to go underground as the cost is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE.

I suppose they are considering the cost to them rather than to the homeowners. Maybe it really is just cheaper to reinstall those lines after they burn down.
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I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.

Very very expensive to go to underground wires after it's been done. It's something that they're most likely going to think about doing for certain areas (if the power lines have already burnt out) but I don't think all of Cali is going to go underground as the cost is VERY VERY EXPENSIVE.

And even at a certain point there does have to be exposed wires. Most of Europe isn't exposed due to when they got the power cables built and put in -- very different time compared to the US.
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I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather

Wow, it's just been 2 weeks and they're going to see another blackout. I've known for a long time that California have a high fire risk but it seems it got worse that they have to cut power.

If this is the new "normal" they should probably consider changing the way they supply power. Like maybe underground? We don't see exposed cables in Venice, they managed even with the risk of flooding.
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I mean they're doing things for a reason though, it's not like they're just shutting off the power to save money. They're shutting off the power due to the fact that dangerous winds could cause another Forrest fire, which is the reason they're shutting off the power.

I'd much rather have no power for a few days then see my home burnt down.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-10-21/power-outages-california-pge-and-southern-california-edison-shutoffs-fire-weather
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I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.

Thanks for noticing my insults are always accompanied by an actual argument.

"100 companies are responsible"

So these companies just sit around creating emissions just for the fun of it? Consumers certainly don't have any responsibility here do they? Not that I agree with your concept of CO2 as a pollutant. You know why the market wont incentivize it? Because it is a nonsense theory not based on science and is designed to redistribute wealth, not protect the environment.
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I think your insults are iconic and use them back to acknowledge how clever they are.  I would still rather see you focus more on content though.

I prefer to walk and take public transportation.  My compact car stays cold 25 days per month.  I do fly a lot though so I'm not going to pretend I'm fossil fuel free but I'm evidence of why the GND is so important.  Well intended people can't be tasked with curbing global emissions individually because we don't have the means. 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the emissions.  

GND would incentivize the airline industry to switch to a low/neutral carbon fuel and allow people to travel around the world without contributing to its destruction.  We have the technology but the market is never going to incentivize it over fossil based jet fuel in time.

If we couldn't see the world we wouldn't know what we are fighting so hard to protect.
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No one said that captain strawman.  I simply pointed out the fact that california electricity wasn't coming from coal.   

The discussion wasn't even about cars but if you're interested in my position, here . it is..  The greenest trip is one taken on foot, then bike, and mass transit if those aren't appropriate.   I think personal vehicle ownership is too resource intense no matter how "green" your car is. 

Do you have any original thoughts of your own, or do you just have to wait for me to have one so you can repeat it back to me as if it was clever? Good for you, I am sure you don't use any fossil fuels as you preach to the rest of the world right? Riiiiiight... You probably drive a Hummer with one of those "COEXIST" bumper stickers on it.
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.


No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Yes, lets all pretend the massive amounts of resources required to mine all those rare Earth materials for the batteries are not expended, not to mention that electric cars are less efficient.
No one said that captain strawman.  I simply pointed out the fact that california electricity wasn't coming from coal.   

The discussion wasn't even about cars but if you're interested in my position, here . it is..  The greenest trip is one taken on foot, then bike, and mass transit if those aren't appropriate.   I think personal vehicle ownership is too resource intense no matter how "green" your car is. 
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.


No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Yes, lets all pretend the massive amounts of resources required to mine all those rare Earth materials for the batteries are not expended, not to mention that electric cars are less efficient.

But they can recharge them with a diesel generator in a pinch

I am not saying they don't have advantages, but they are actually LESS environmentally friendly than a classic fossil fuel based vehicle.

I was being a smart-ass.  Using a DIESEL generator to recharge the "oh no, fossil fuels are bad" eco-friendly car
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.


No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Yes, lets all pretend the massive amounts of resources required to mine all those rare Earth materials for the batteries are not expended, not to mention that electric cars are less efficient.

But they can recharge them with a diesel generator in a pinch

I am not saying they don't have advantages, but they are actually LESS environmentally friendly than a classic fossil fuel based vehicle.
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.


No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Yes, lets all pretend the massive amounts of resources required to mine all those rare Earth materials for the batteries are not expended, not to mention that electric cars are less efficient.

But they can recharge them with a diesel generator in a pinch
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.


No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Yes, lets all pretend the massive amounts of resources required to mine all those rare Earth materials for the batteries are not expended, not to mention that electric cars are less efficient.
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.


No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.

Thought fossil fuels were verboten to those folks
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.


No coal in California.  Natural gas though which is still bad but not nearly as bad as coal.
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I live in the suburbs and power outages happen from time to time especially during big storms, but we can have solar panels, generators and whatever we like. The power company policy is that everything between the power station and your meter belongs to them and whatever is on the other side of the meter is up to you. You can even feed power into the grid if you like as long as you don't damage anything. Many people run solar panels in the summer that make the meter go backwards Roll Eyes
I hope this gets resolved for good. They should at least let you generate your own electricity if they can't supply it.
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I have seen some interesting theories about this situation floating about the interwebs. People  have long suspected that many of these fires were cased by or exacerbated by arson. In theory, the poorly maintained power lines could be used as cover for the arson and excused away that way. In a power outage though, how do you explain the cause of the fires? The speculation is this power outage was intended to demonstrate that it is in fact arson and not the power lines causing most if not all of these fires.
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.

Very green of them.  With the Lithium pit mines, and recharging those batteries with juice from coal burning power plants.
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I’m guessing we’ll be seeing a wave of Tesla Powerwall advertisements in California in the near future.
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"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/800000-californians-lose-power-after-midnight

Not bad, a better view to watch the stars and smoke some pot under the moonlight. Maybe do a candlelit collective meditation, that would be really cool.
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"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

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I don't really like the unwarranted attack on leftist ideologies here, what happened to Venezuela was a result of a corrupt regime, not what ideology this regime theoretically followed
Left ideology and corruption are synonymous.That's exactly the point of this entire situation. Left wingers use poor people, the downtrodden and racism to further their controls on public tax money. Which they then use to further their power and in turn allows them greater control of the public tax revenue purses.
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"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/800000-californians-lose-power-after-midnight

I don't really like the unwarranted attack on leftist ideologies here, what happened to Venezuela was a result of a corrupt regime, not what ideology this regime theoretically followed

About time that somebody admits that they like a million Californians losing power!

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It's official. But with all the 3rd world trouble in Sacrament, San Francisco, LA, and San Diego, it's surprising that it took this long to be official. Listen to the audio, about 20 minutes.


California Officially Slips Into 3rd World Status



As California’s largest utility PG&E spins out of control, citizens are regressing to violence, prompting the company to erect concrete barricades around its facilities to ‘protect its employees.’

This is the long-term result of regulatory mismanagement and corporate malfeasance. The ultra-leftist leadership in California has literally turned the Golden State into a banana republic that is a national disgrace.


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"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/800000-californians-lose-power-after-midnight

I don't really like the unwarranted attack on leftist ideologies here, what happened to Venezuela was a result of a corrupt regime, not what ideology this regime theoretically followed
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

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"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

... he said about the most Communist state in the union.

I was never sure you had no idea what communism was until now.  All this time I thought you were making a nuanced argument that involved mental gymnastics of connecting communism to the USSR/china/north korea to modern day leftists but now that you bring capitalist california into that realm, it turns out I was giving you too much credit.  

tecshare communism= any bad feature in society.  


This is a common tactic you use any time your retarded communist or socialist policies fail, you attribute the failure to capitalism and call for more of the same that caused the problem to begin with. What you are advocating for is the same as what happened in the USSR/China/North Korea, it is just the first steps a la Fabianism. The results will be the same. For fucks sake California even legalized openly Communist parties and illegal aliens running their government. If any state in the union is communist it is California.

You are completely disingenuous in your posts and intentionally misleading people.  You know by now that I do not support these policies or advocate for anything like USSR/China/North Korea.  You know by now that I am on the opposite end of the spectrum ideologically from these big government, authoritarian countries yet you continue to say I advocate for their policies.  Even if you think that is what communism is, then any honest person would stop calling me a communist and just acknowledge that I have the wrong definition but not you, you want to use the semantic argument to attribute an ideology to me which I am clearly against.  

Back to topic...How many seats do communists hold in California?  Is the governor communist?  How many communist party members hold mayor offices or make up town councils?

California is in the late stages of capitalism just like the rest of the USA.  This thread is about PG&E, a PRIVATELY OWNED utility.  Private ownership is literally capitalism yet somehow you think its socialism when private owners decide to chase profits at the expense of the people.  

Corporations use their capital to drive profits in every way possible.  This includes buying government legislations an regulating their competition out of business.  This always happens in capitalism as long as you have privately funded campaigns. PG&E has a heavy presence is Sacramento.  

Since you've already checked how many of California's politicians are socialist, now go back and follow the money.  How many of California's politicians have accepted corporate donations?  How many have gone from the private sector to the public sector and back to the private sector?

The revolving door and corporate lobbying in government is undeniably a function of capitalism no matter how much you scream government regulation is socialism.

Socialism would be community/worker created regulations.

 Communism is the absence of both state and market forces.  California is literally the opposite where everything is being dictated by very strong market force as well as very strong state forces.  

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This is the first time I've heard power having to be shut off outside of a hurricane threat. And freakin 5 days! That's ridiculously long. Is California as dry as a tinder?

Generators don't work too many hours in a row without getting damage, this increases the risk of fire so relying on them to pass the whole power outage is dumb.

Everyone living in a developed country hasn't experienced a power outage that lasts several days that's something different than a power outage that lasts hours.

My country had power outages in the early 90s (more like supply can't keep up with demand) and experienced using generators and yes can't keep them running for that long. We only used them for a few hours at night for light and then turn them off.

Let's see how Californians would cope with this. Even my 3rd world bum haven't experienced 5-day blackouts.

Prevent wildfires? People with candles and gas lanterns when the lights go out is going to prevent wildfires?

Grin
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Kalifornia appears to be the living example of the latest edition of " Communism/Socialism ( same thing) For Dummies". Thankfully we have this dynamic, real time example in our midst, to give living proof of how these places consume themselves with toxic ineptitude on all levels.
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

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"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

... he said about the most Communist state in the union.

I was never sure you had no idea what communism was until now.  All this time I thought you were making a nuanced argument that involved mental gymnastics of connecting communism to the USSR/china/north korea to modern day leftists but now that you bring capitalist california into that realm, it turns out I was giving you too much credit. 

tecshare communism= any bad feature in society. 


This is a common tactic you use any time your retarded communist or socialist policies fail, you attribute the failure to capitalism and call for more of the same that caused the problem to begin with. What you are advocating for is the same as what happened in the USSR/China/North Korea, it is just the first steps a la Fabianism. The results will be the same. For fucks sake California even legalized openly Communist parties and illegal aliens running their government. If any state in the union is communist it is California.
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Generators don't work too many hours in a row without getting damage, this increases the risk of fire so relying on them to pass the whole power outage is dumb.


Good point. Maybe this is the real reason why PG&E is doing the blackout. Their generators have been working too many hours in a row.

Cool

Don't get me wrong, I was talking about commercial generators that produce less than 12000W.

Example:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Electric+generators

Kubota diesel generator will essentially run forever with:
- Amsoil oil
- Amsoil oil filter (or equivelent)
- Amsoil bypass oil filter
- Energy Release
- Proper air filtration
- Clean antifreeze for cooling
- Energy Release grease where grease is necessary

Amsoil is so good that years ago already, 18-wheelers were using 10W-40 full synthetic in the gear boxes of their transmissions. Why? Because the lighter weight caused less resistance, and gave them better mileage. And the 10W-40 full synthetic was a better lubricant than gear oil.

The Amsoil company is against the Energy Release company, considering them a form of competitor. But with Energy Release added to Amsoil, wear goes virtually to zero.

https://www.amsoil.com/

https://energyrelease.com/home

Cool
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Generators don't work too many hours in a row without getting damage, this increases the risk of fire so relying on them to pass the whole power outage is dumb.


Good point. Maybe this is the real reason why PG&E is doing the blackout. Their generators have been working too many hours in a row.

Cool

Don't get me wrong, I was talking about commercial generators that produce less than 12000W.

Example:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Electric+generators
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they think communism is "the government doing things" and not an economic system because that is what they were taught.

It's more than just an economic system. It's also the govt controlling/regulating almost every aspect of the citizen's lives.
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Generators don't work too many hours in a row without getting damage, this increases the risk of fire so relying on them to pass the whole power outage is dumb.


Good point. Maybe this is the real reason why PG&E is doing the blackout. Their generators have been working too many hours in a row.

Cool
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they think communism is "the government doing things" and not an economic system because that is what they were taught.
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

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"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

... he said about the most Communist state in the union.

I was never sure you had no idea what communism was until now.  All this time I thought you were making a nuanced argument that involved mental gymnastics of connecting communism to the USSR/china/north korea to modern day leftists but now that you bring capitalist california into that realm, it turns out I was giving you too much credit. 

tecshare communism= any bad feature in society. 


Sorry, but theres a reason everyone else in the country calls it Kalifornia, or Kommiefornia
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Generators don't work too many hours in a row without getting damage, this increases the risk of fire so relying on them to pass the whole power outage is dumb.

Everyone living in a developed country hasn't experienced a power outage that lasts several days that's something different than a power outage that lasts hours.

I hope everyone in the California state that believes socialism is the answer to their problems, take this experience to change their mind
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

Quote
"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

... he said about the most Communist state in the union.

I was never sure you had no idea what communism was until now.  All this time I thought you were making a nuanced argument that involved mental gymnastics of connecting communism to the USSR/china/north korea to modern day leftists but now that you bring capitalist california into that realm, it turns out I was giving you too much credit. 

tecshare communism= any bad feature in society. 
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

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"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

Another example of how government overreach and the ultra-liberal agenda affects real human beings:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/10/06/long-island-liberals-wake-up-to-how-green-extremism-hurts-constituents/amp/
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

Quote
"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

... he said about the most Communist state in the union.
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

Quote
"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."

Anybody who has control like this either becomes a greedy capitalist, or becomes controlled by greedy capitalists. Socialism would fare the same or worse.

The answer is to create your own power, and not rely on something like PG&E.

Cool

EDIT: Watch the video at https://thecommonsenseshow.com/conspiracy-economics-immigration/breaking-news-trump-takes-back-port-long-beach-communist-chinese.
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This is what happens when you give greedy capitalists control over a basic utility that everyone depends on.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/california-power-outage-friday/index.html

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"Neglect, a desire to advance not public safety but profits."
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Prevent wildfires? People with candles and gas lanterns when the lights go out is going to prevent wildfires?


California to shut down power for up to a WEEK in multiple counties to “prevent wildfires”



Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) is about to preemptively turn off people’s electricity throughout California in anticipation of what the company says is an upcoming “severe wind event” – and for some customers, this intentional power outage could last upwards of a week.

According to reports, PG&E’s planned blackouts will begin in the early morning hours of October 8, and will affect as many as 800,000 PG&E customers in 34 northern, central, and coastal counties throughout the Golden State.

Another 100,000 Southern California Edison customers in eight SoCal counties will also reportedly be affected by these planned blackouts, as electric officials insist that this drastic move is necessary to “prevent wildfires” and keep people “safe.”

“What we’re working on right now is determining if and where we’ll need to turn off power in the interest of public safety,” stated PG&E spokesman Jason King to The Weather Channel, noting that only “portions” of the counties where it provides electric service will be affected.

“Our meteorology and our operations teams are monitoring conditions in real time,” he added. “(A) determination hasn’t (been) made yet what portions of each of the counties will be turned off.”


Cool
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My facebook feed is full of posts about people desperately trying to find generators, or in need of water because their well pumps are no longer operational.  I'm seeing pictures of supermarket shelves sitting empty, and lots of folks claiming they're going to go solar as a result (not understanding that solar needs a functioning grid or battery backup system to function, and would thus be useless in this scenario).  It's an eye opener for how unprepared most people are to handle such a simple inconvenience even with a warning.  In a real crisis, things will likely get very ugly, very fast. 
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As someone who works for a power company the solution seems simple to me.   Bury the lines in conduit underground. 

Of course, due to the expense, this is not something the company would do voluntarily due to the massive expense but it is something that can be ordered by the state public service commission.  It would likely take a few years and result in rate hikes, but at the point where you are dealing with not having power for days, does it really matter?
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Lucky that my cousins chose to live in TX years ago.
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""This Is The Third World": Up To 3 Million Californians To Lose Power As PG&E Begins "Unprecedented" Blackouts"

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/third-world-3-million-californians-lose-power-pge-begins-unprecedented-blackouts

Lot's of Californians already moved into their cars.  The power embargo shouldn't hurt them much.

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""This Is The Third World": Up To 3 Million Californians To Lose Power As PG&E Begins "Unprecedented" Blackouts"

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/third-world-3-million-californians-lose-power-pge-begins-unprecedented-blackouts
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Why doesn't another company buy them out? A big company with a lot of clients goes bankrupt, go to their clients and give them an offer. Your bill goes up because they couldn't provide services at former price per KW or you are left with no power. Most of them would agree to pay more.

Is there really a ban on the generators in the US? I saw many videos of US residents buying old army generators. I also saw them retrofit fuel generators to run on natural gas. In the EU we can have generators and don't have to register or anything.
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"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/800000-californians-lose-power-after-midnight

For the fun of it, let's play this one a few moves out:

 - About 300 fires are started from people using their generators.

 - Generators are outlawed for safety and 'carbon footprint' reasons.

 - The most downloaded app is the one that helps people narc on their neighbors for doing bad things (like running a generator.)

 -

 - Everyone pays higher prices for energy.


I considered buying some property in the Santa Cruz mountains one time.  It had burnt a few years prior.  Cause of the fire?  Someone's solar panel.

One thing I've learned in researching this 'eco' stuff:  The eco crowd loves fire and the 'change agents' who make things happen use it regularly to achieve the kind of 'revolutionary change' that they've been indoctrinated into believing in.  The funny thing is that the people who are actually planning what get's burnt next are basically real-estate developers who have insider information about how various 'city plans' are going to come together a decade down the road.



I forgot exactly where I saw it, but there were some maps that showed the most recent round of fires and overlayed them with some massive real estate planning planned before the fact and they lined up perfectly. Quite a coincidence.


EDIT:

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"800,000 Californians To Lose Power After Midnight"

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/800000-californians-lose-power-after-midnight

For the fun of it, let's play this one a few moves out:

 - About 300 fires are started from people using their generators.

 - Generators are outlawed for safety and 'carbon footprint' reasons.

 - The most downloaded app is the one that helps people narc on their neighbors for doing bad things (like running a generator.)

 -

 - Everyone pays higher prices for energy.


I considered buying some property in the Santa Cruz mountains one time.  It had burnt a few years prior.  Cause of the fire?  Someone's solar panel.

One thing I've learned in researching this 'eco' stuff:  The eco crowd loves fire and the 'change agents' who make things happen use it regularly to achieve the kind of 'revolutionary change' that they've been indoctrinated into believing in.  The funny thing is that the people who are actually planning what get's burnt next are basically real-estate developers who have insider information about how various 'city plans' are going to come together a decade down the road.

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