Topic: A Copper membership needs signature reductions (Read 518 times)

I agree. One merit is a small baby-step in the right direction but it doesn't go far enough. I think one merit to move from Newbie to Junior is fine, but Juniors still shouldn't be able to have a signature at all. As I originally proposed with the one-merit Jnr requirement, Juniors should also have their signatures removed completely and to get one you need to become a Member with ten merit. It's far too easy to beg, borrow, steal or trade a solitary merit and requiring ten is obviously ten times more difficulty. I think we should probably make changes to the Copper Membership as well as it's far too cheap at $10-$20 or whatever it is. A farmer who is making thousands upon thousands will just cough up for it as it's a small price to pay for them and is only a small spanner in their works. Copper Membership should just be some sort of basic whitelisting feature which allows you to post images and post a little faster, and that's about it. As I've suggest before though I wouldn't be against more expensive ranks like Silver and Gold Member that give you the benefits of say a Full Member and Hero, but just as long as they're not so cheap that any farmer can afford them on their hundred accounts. I would say something like $100 for Silver and maybe $500 for Gold. At the moment one merit or $10-20 is just too cheap and easy for spammers to bypass in whatever way they can.

Can we change the phrase "earn a single merit" into "obtain a single merit". This seems to be more relevant in the new Bitcoin Talk forum.

Totally agree with you why they want to paid but not just build merit and rank by themselves? isn't build by own will feel better? LOL

I think it would be better just keep same others featured for membership except signature. Like vod said, allow them to ware one line plain signature. The aim of implement new rules is prevent of spam. Also its working fine as far as we know. But slowly people will buy membership once they will not able to earn 1 merit. Then spam story will repeat again. As I said before signature is the source of spam.

I suspect that it won't be a major issue because they'll be losing their ~10 dollars every time they get banned. It won't be profitable, hopefully. If it seems to be a major source of spam in a few months, I'd reconsider.

Agree, It would be better membership limited for image posting, not for signature purpose. Signature is the source of spam. Let them become mature for signature until they earn 1 merit. Membership could be use those are want to posting with image like ANN or Bounty managers need it.


Exactly, something is better than nothing 

Or, he should simply modify it a little bit.

Since it is required to earn 1 Merit to rank up to Jr. member now, and then only you will be able to wear signatures, so maybe he could make it like, if a user buys Copper Membership when he is a Newbie, he would still not be able to wear a signature unless he manages to earn 1 Merit and rank up to Jr. member, but he would only have the ability to post images by buying Copper Membership. Once reaches Jr. member, he would have the same abilities of a Member in his signature as well just like how Copper Membership offers it.

This way, the users that are Newbies and are buying Copper Membership only to be able to wear signatures won't be able to do it anymore, and the Copper Membership would still serve its purpose.

Might be a fair compromise to have an additional level of copper member that gains additional features by paying for them, but the cost should be sufficiently high so that your typical signature spammer won't want to fork out the cash. Or maybe the simplest way around it would be to allow members to disable signature visibility entirely, so we don't have to be plagued by their advisements.

It's almost a trust thing for me, or they need to have something to lose..

If a sane person has no reason to trust them at all, and/or they have nothing to lose, and they are so new they don't know shit anyway, they shouldn't be endorsing anything..

All they care about is how much they get paid to endorse things and they don't care or have any repercussions for promoting scams, and haven't the experience to know if what they are endorsing is a scam anyway if they cared..

Excellent idea.  He should stop selling them immediately, then reissue a new paid membership that gives advantages actual contributors will want. 

Right now a Copper membership is like a forum paid advertisement, except there is no limit to the amount we have to look at.  :/

Theymos can only allow Copper Member to post images. If people want to wear a signature, he/she must have to achieve 1 merit. I think, in this way, we can get rid of this newbie club 

I have reported a user at least 10 times for his shitposts. He is still using the forum. Some of his posts were deleted only. To be honest, he/she deserves only "ban".

It will not be a hard task for theymos but no one will use the same address again, IMO.

I personally agree with you Vod, but I'll rather just wait in the future until the spam gets out of hand, right now it is definitely better than before.

Your idea of having a different paid membership is a good idea too, but I don't see the point of creating a spam signature because you are just basically promoting it at this point,
if you had the membership title.

jokes


But seriously they don't need to be paid for posting with such fresh accounts.. It's not like they have the right to earn while posting until they get some time under their belt and can possibly have decent things to say..

All the fuss about copper members.. Theymos can just stop selling them at any time and leave the coppers grandfathered if it doesn't work good..
We might start seeing more and more coppers get banned..

Buying copper means they have a little skin in the game, similar to skin in the game having been here a longer period of time like a couple months, so I don't think the concept is all bad..

If they keep up the same shit they will be going through copper accounts just as fast as they go through newb accounts by getting banned and tagged anyway.. Maybe it should cost more or have less benefits, idk..


Another thing that annoys me is fresh accounts posting ANNs, fresh accounts managing bounties and campaigns..
How do you trust that? I don't like seeing newb accounts holding great responsibilities..
Like all these guys running ICOs have never had a btct account before, like they don't have old accounts..

they have old accounts alright but they are probably tagged as scammers or want to protect their good accounts from the scam ICO they are pushing.. Untrustworthy imo..

It's not like most spammers dump their BTC right after getting it and actually spending it on real life expenses like food, shelter, and etc.
Plus they are paying by BTC ( not any fiat currency ).

A Copper membership should give you the advantage of showing images, not having the same clubhouse advertising rights that Legendaries have!

If people want to pay for a special "spam signature" paid membership (It is easy to add paid memberships) it should be an ongoing monthly fee that is constantly adjusted until spam reaches tolerable levels.

Right now I believe Theymos is too liberal with his signature space.  Every offline community has bylaws surrounding commercial advertising.

Its cheaper for them right now ias its just $15 but soon when BTC price go up, its not just going to be $15, it could go up to hundred or more. They could lose $500 even more to pay for that copper membership.

If there is a record of BTC addresses they use to pay for the copper membership, it might be easier to track who'se who later on.

actually you don't want it because you already have Member rank on your profile.
If anyone interested they can buy it here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

As I said, people usually (or they should) buy Copper Member to be able to post images, which is the main reason it was created. It shouldn't matter if they are able to use a Member-like signature or just one line of plain text.

Vod and Jet Cash aren't suggesting this as the only perk. They are suggesting that they downgrade the signature of the Copper Members from Member-like to a single one-line text. They still have the can-post-images advantage.

I'm talking about what Vod and Jet Cash is saying in the start,
meaning that they only want Copper Member to be just one line of plain text.

edit: Unless Vod meant that Copper Member should just not include signature perks, then I understand what you mean now.


edit2: I like how right as I said that you sent that message LOL. I see what you mean though, and I agree with that if the spamming gets back to where it was, but let it settle down for like a month or so before taking action.

Campaign managers should avoid accepting users who can wear their signature only because they have bought Copper Membership but are not in the actual rank that should make them able to wear it. If a Campaign (Signature/Bounty) starts to accept users with Copper Membership only because they can wear the signature then the recent Newbie and Jr. member restrictions are going to be useless.

This feels a lot like we're trying to scam newbies. Only the new scammers are the ones we once trusted...

Pay $15 dollars and get a good signature, then wake up tomorrow and see that it's gone! Unless we let them all have a refund, this isn't going to work well at all!

There is already a good incentive, which is: enable them to post images. If you are a legit project/ICO, you won't mind paying $15 to make a cool ANN thread instead of having to wait 30 days to become a Jr. Member (and now, get 1 merit).

They should look at earned merits instead of rank. Mane old users who only spam can join signatures because they got their airdropped merit. But it doesn't mean they deserve it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Right here.

How can i buy a cooper account or membership?

To be honest, we need some kind of incentive to actually have the Copper membership to exist, otherwise why is it there? What purpose would it make?

Just to add a couple of words under your name, and clarify that you support the forum? Then there should be a "small" donator rank but that's already been discussed so many times.

If I keep agreeing with you, then they are going to think I'm your alt.

Actually Vod Cash would be a good name for a crypto.

That's true too, most spammers probably can't afford spending 0.002 on multiple accounts and risk all their accounts being banned.

If you look into most bounties, they are mostly accepting Jr Members now with 1 merit instead of accepting Copper Members with 0 merits.

Hopefully it doesn't turn this way in the future, if it does then Vod's idea would most likely be implemented to be honest.

I think that the 1 merit hurdle isn't even that bad if you can just talk with the people here ( even though some of them comes off as harsh because you or some others might be a bounty hunter).

Not everyone can pay for spam. We can remove 1 person with multiple bitcointlk accounts

At least they have something to lose now, their 0.002BTC won't come back when they get banned.

Yes that is funny. spamming is prohibited here but if you can pay for it, it is okay.If bounty managers accept this copper membership, new merit rules will be useless, everyone will buy copper membership and make post,contribute to bounty and spam like before.

o lawd... 

I guess this is one of the unintended consequences. I was worried that 1 merit wouldn't present much of an obstacle, but it turns out that buying your way out of newbie hell is a lot easier.

He meant to say that reomve the signature space of copper member which has same signature space of member rank.

I think buying a copper membership is reasonable for its features.
Even though they feel the need that they can spam now, most bounties and signature campaigns now only accept Jr Members with 1 merit.

Plus this stops like 90% of spammers from spamming considering most people don't want to cough up 12$ in BTC ( at the moment ) to actually wear a signature for a bounty coin that
( might ) be worth something of value.

You mean, a copper member has equal rights with a member. I am very happy for what you say

Look at this garbage:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/will-donald-trump-win-another-term-in-office-5032765

This person pays $15 and now has the motivation and authority to spam.    
This is going to be the next wave of spam for the forum - Copper Members posting garbage.

I believe a bitcointalk membership should include a basic signature - one line of plain text. That would be the "Member" rank.  A Copper membership allows you to buy a Member signature. Advancing above the Member rank allows signature perks. 

Let our senior ranks have more meaning.  Don't let newbies hustle in our clubhouse.