A direct threat to US: Should Pelosi go Taiwan or not?

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 04, 2022, 02:45:49 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

China may not attack Pelosi (they likely have too much dirt on her for them to want her dead). But they may use the trip as a pretext for an invasion. They are already conducting live fire drills around the island that could escalate to a blockade

Yeah. This could be a similar incidence tryna repeat itself since such has happened before in 1995. (Although there was no Pelosi back then), but the US countered such an attempt then.
What I'm most worried about now tho is should China decide to get serious, can the US make good on their promise of 'solidly' been behind Taiwan as Nancy's visit was meant to imply?
At present, China wields enough naval power over the US and seem to have marked their territorial hold over Taiwan. What mistake can Xi make that Biden can take to his advantage?

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"Those who play with fire will perish by it." This is the best answer to all questions in regards to Taiwan issue. People in the West who think Taiwan is independently a country have distorted reality and made the world more divided. Taiwan was, is and will always be a Chinese culture-based nation. Political disaggrements are just brothers who fought often but always emotionally bounded. Whether foreigners like it or not. Just accept the truth.

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China were just demonstrating how to isolate Taiwan and protect it. And yep they did it and none of those bullies ever came to hurt Taiwan. But believe it or not China wouldn't want to destroy Taiwan. If anyone gives importance to this tiny island the most, its China. If war breaks, tell you what its the China's adversaries are the ones going to shoot Taiwan to ashes because they'd rather see it burned than unite with China.

I don't think US or Japan can fight China from this location. They just wait for their ships and planes to travel miles and miles only to sink.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

And she did call it and it went good IMO. China is acting like a hornet's nest that got sprayed with water, running in circles, moving ballistic missiles from town to town. They're making it a big act that everybody can see for what it is.

Quote from: Quickseller on August 04, 2022, 02:45:49 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

China may not attack Pelosi (they likely have too much dirt on her for them to want her dead). But they may use the trip as a pretext for an invasion. They are already conducting live fire drills around the island that could escalate to a blockade

Attacking Taiwan would also be suicidal. China would win, but there are countries that offered to protect Taiwan. China would start a dangerous game with the US and Japan. They don't want that. At least not yet.

Also, they have a party meeting coming up (national congress) and they won't start a war until it's over and reins of the country are firmly held.

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 04, 2022, 02:45:49 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

China may not attack Pelosi (they likely have too much dirt on her for them to want her dead). But they may use the trip as a pretext for an invasion. They are already conducting live fire drills around the island that could escalate to a blockade

China has very weak fleet compared to USA + Taiwan. So I would doubt about blockade and especially - invasion, it's impossible without strong fleet. Tanks could not move on the sea bottom (because chineese fleet will be destroyed very fast)

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

China may not attack Pelosi (they likely have too much dirt on her for them to want her dead). But they may use the trip as a pretext for an invasion. They are already conducting live fire drills around the island that could escalate to a blockade

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Quote from: Gyfts on August 02, 2022, 08:21:08 AM

Quote from: mindrust on August 01, 2022, 11:40:34 PM

The world is not what it used to be. The US isn’t the only big player now. If China invades Taiwan, the US will ignore them just like how they ignored Russia. I don’t think the US would fight even if Russia invades Poland.

Pelosi is a disgusting old bitch who cheats in the stock market. Nobody will miss her if she don’t come back from Taiwan.

Funny enough, I speculate she's taking this trip because god forbid if she wasn't coming back, she's already at the end of her life anyways. Had a great run, only to be taken out by a Chinaman.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

Assholes like you start wars.

It's really Joe Biden who started this. Had he been slightly more lucid, China would not play him for a fool. Pelosi needs to take this trip as to thwart Chinese efforts to take Taiwan within the immediate future. Of course, we all know Taiwan is already gone. This trip just delays the inevitable.

I strongly doubt that insinuation because President Tsai sees her coming in a different light and looks honored to have been paid such a visit. For her, Nancy's visit means that democracies can still stand together amid challenges. Taiwan only seeks to be recognized by the world as a country and not some renegade country as Beijing calls them or a bounty as China sees them.
And should the US get involved in this, China will find it difficult to crack Taiwan.

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Quote from: cabron on August 02, 2022, 10:02:45 PM

Since when? You can't find a date about it because 180 countries out of 200 recognize it as part of China including US government.

If Taiwan was not independent, we wouldn't have this discussion - China could deny Nancy a visa if they don't like her going there. The fact is (and has been for 70 years) that Taiwan is a separate country, recognition notwithstanding, and that annoys the mainland communists.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 02, 2022, 06:03:47 PM

Quote from: cabron on August 01, 2022, 11:10:34 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

Do you also support Taiwan as independent despite it having no president?

There are many countries with no president. And yes, Taiwan is an independent country.

Since when? You can't find a date about it because 180 countries out of 200 recognize it as part of China including US government.
They tried to confuse the people the Biden as if not supporting Pelosi going there and its just Pelosi's decision. Of all people, its this lady who had not done any right thing. But this is a template just as how they did it on Ukraine that after Kamala's visit Russia goes for Ukraine. Taiwan reunification will also tart soon.its just a moment if US attacks first when China Taiwan unite without a fight.

But China isn't stupid to attack, they've got more to lose than US as recession will crumble itself.

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Quote from: cabron on August 01, 2022, 11:10:34 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

Do you also support Taiwan as independent despite it having no president?

There are many countries with no president. And yes, Taiwan is an independent country.

Quote from: cabron on August 01, 2022, 11:10:34 PM

He didn't really add a reason why Pelosi should go.

Because she wants to. It's not China's business.

Quote from: cabron on August 01, 2022, 11:10:34 PM

One that most are aware of is that there are already fleet out there like a stand off. And China will look at this as invasion to Taiwan knowing that US has no business over there. But a diplomat and goes there along with the military fleet, this is way beyond playing fire.

Invasion? An 80-year old woman single-handedly invades Taiwan LOL

Quote from: Gyfts on August 02, 2022, 08:21:08 AM

Funny enough, I speculate she's taking this trip because god forbid if she wasn't coming back, she's already at the end of her life anyways. Had a great run, only to be taken out by a Chinaman.

She's not suicidal either. Everyone knows China won't do squat, at most maybe fly some planes around and talk tough. They're not gonna kill the grandma. But Xi wants to try and see if she would blink. It costs him nothing, and the upside is huge in the small chance that he can successfully bully the US.

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She shold visit whoever she wants. If a visit is reason for war, then maybe we should all just blw ourselvs up. I mean, I have heard of things that triggered past wars, assasinations, attacks o bases, invasions, but never a persons visit to another country, no matter who it is.

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lol China, all bark, no bite. Try to drum up and threaten Pelosi's trip to Taiwan. Because of her history of holding a memorial for all the victims who died at the hand of China communists in the Tiananmen Square 1989 right in the place itself, in 1991 (pic).
No wonder China feels so insecure and against her trip to Taiwan. Now, she landing in Taiwan safe and sound. I never knew Pelosi was this based. A milestone victory for Taiwan's independent movement and democracy around the world.

After Russia invaded Ukraine, many people believe in democracy, in a country's sovereignty shocked by how blatant it was. A big country can bully and force their way, invasion another country if they want without anyone to stop it. And we talked about how China might do the same with Taiwan. But this is like a quell of thirst in the desert for those who believe in democracy, in the free will of people to decide their fate.

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I just saw clips from military analysts where he elaborated that China hasn't had any experience with modern war, the last time they had was a long time ago in the north and south Korean war. The USA has been sending their troops all around the world to maintain their training from actual war and to get ready once a major war will broke out. This is what China lacks and their main goal is to reach 2035 to become the most advanced troops all around the world, they might be taunting the USA now, but they cannot execute any first move since they don't really idea how will it end up.

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Quote from: mindrust on August 01, 2022, 11:40:34 PM

The world is not what it used to be. The US isn’t the only big player now. If China invades Taiwan, the US will ignore them just like how they ignored Russia. I don’t think the US would fight even if Russia invades Poland.

Pelosi is a disgusting old bitch who cheats in the stock market. Nobody will miss her if she don’t come back from Taiwan.

Funny enough, I speculate she's taking this trip because god forbid if she wasn't coming back, she's already at the end of her life anyways. Had a great run, only to be taken out by a Chinaman.

Quote from: be.open on August 01, 2022, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

Assholes like you start wars.

It's really Joe Biden who started this. Had he been slightly more lucid, China would not play him for a fool. Pelosi needs to take this trip as to thwart Chinese efforts to take Taiwan within the immediate future. Of course, we all know Taiwan is already gone. This trip just delays the inevitable.

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The world is not what it used to be. The US isn’t the only big player now. If China invades Taiwan, the US will ignore them just like how they ignored Russia. I don’t think the US would fight even if Russia invades Poland.

Pelosi is a disgusting old bitch who cheats in the stock market. Nobody will miss her if she don’t come back from Taiwan.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

Do you also support Taiwan as independent despite it having no president?

Quote from: be.open on August 01, 2022, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

Assholes like you start wars.

He didn't really add a reason why Pelosi should go.

One that most are aware of is that there are already fleet out there like a stand off. And China will look at this as invasion to Taiwan knowing that US has no business over there. But a diplomat and goes there along with the military fleet, this is way beyond playing fire.

Remember there is a warning. I wouldn't look at it as a bluff when Orientals says this to someone they know are always offensive to them.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 01, 2022, 10:18:41 PM

Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

Assholes like you start wars.

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Nancy should call Vinnie's bluff and just go. There's no way China would take any military action against the US, they're not suicidal.

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I'm not sure why we are not talking it here while its about to go China vs US war already because of Nancy Pelosi trying to visit Taiwan. The Chinese government will always assume this visit is to convince DPP to fight as US are trying to arm Taiwan.

Xi had warn US telling: "Those who play with fire will perish by it"

Should she visit or not? This is no a poll though or something we can bet, Just want to hear some reasons from you whether we are expecting another war or not.

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