Topic: A dream for CPU-Miners (Read 868 times)

That was good motherboard not only for miner, but mostly for real pc enthusiast, cpu miner always crowded by malmware mining or some jerk guy who use their work as admin in office, putting miner hidden in every pc work, or server. Thats way cpu mining only last couple weeks or months then started far less profitable, it might help using this motherboard, lets see if they can run properly

For those interested in using the ARMedONE cluster for CPU-Mining or Masternode purposes, may love that we made the Dashbaord free for everyone and separate non-kyc public chain functionality from kyc-required company based services. Those who are into Crypto and support the project on Kickstarter, can request also access to an old version of coinbot which allows to let a local botnet to work on several exchanges.
Our own linux / AROS Hybrid called AEROS will be rebranded and focuses on compatible ARM Modules. The aim is to be compatibile to Linux, AROS, AmigaOS and Windows, as well as providing High Performance Cluster solutions and AI as well as Renderfarm solutions. In short we try to cover all niches in one thing.
Demos will follow.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/armedone/armedone-arm-cluster-of-28-coms-made-easy?ref=user_menu

Good luck for the campaign.
Have a big goal to reach in just 60 days. Now it's time to publicize and wait for membership.

Campaign is live now https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/armedone/armedone-arm-cluster-of-28-coms-made-easy?ref=discord

join the discord for updates as well, especially those which are cryptorelated

Well cpu miner always flooded with malmware and bot miner, or some admin steal compute power in their workplace, this always ruined cpu miner times to times specially this time around, when people so desparate to get free money

Merry Christmas and happy hollidays everyone! Good news ahead: Kickstarter will start on 01.01.2023 around 12:00 MET. You'll be able to access it via https://kickstarter.armedone.rocks/

If you join the discord, you will also find additional Boni just for Crypto Users. So if you support the campaign, you will be able to redeem extras if you are member of the discord, related to Mining, Staking and stuff like Trading Bots.

I hope you will like the ride and join us

Yes the Pyramid is the „workstation“ option, while we will also offer a regular 4HU server case with a fan front.
Pictures will follow for those.

Also we are going to create some videos next.

https://github.com/ARES-Blockchain-GmbH/ARMedONE/tree/main/Pyramid

I will rebrand aeros-os.org to BCOM1 / or bcomONE as I want to focus besides mining and staking on cluster Management in the future.
The coreboards (compute modules) shall automatically be combined to a higher performance computing cluster.

The equipment is funny.

What kind of plates is it to take? Are you going to sell with the structure or not?

Made for eternity ; )

You are still not getting the Point of ASIC-resistant algorithms ; )
What motivation should Bitmain have to build something when the community is strictly against it and will change the Code ?

Take zCash.. they sold their souls back then. Thats it. If the foundation had a different plan than making some bucks (who knows who got what behind the scenes), there would be no ASIC mining for zCash. (well ok it was GPU not CPU but also that is just a decision)

If we are talking about reducing energy consumption, then there is a very simple rule. It is possible to develop an energy-efficient ASIC based on mobile processors, but the number of miners will depend on the mining profit on this coin. Even if one company has a monopoly for a while, Bitmain can quickly make its decisions.

It may be, but the more information to be processed, the greater the energy consumption.

That is, it will not be the blockchain that will be greener, but the hardware that will have to be able to process more data with the same energy consumption. Blockchain can only promote a greener idea, but it's not the blockchain that deals with energy consumption, it's the hardware.

It makes sense if you look at it that way:
1. what is the purpose
2. how much energy is consumed to achieve that

Let’s say the only purpose is transaction verification
Than you can compare how much energy is consumed to achieve that

Also you can make any blockchain „greener“ if it does more at the same time than just provide a payment option.
For example it could hold assets and security tokens.
Same energy but more action.

So even if you put the same energy in both , the one which offers more functionality at same consumption is more efficient

This doesn't make any sense, energy labels for blockchains.

What dictates whether a blockchain uses more or less energy is the equipment used for mining. Which tend to, as technology evolves, consume less energy.

That is why it is not the blockchains that have to have energy labels, but the equipment used for mining.

Excactly it depends on the algorithms.
Next year I believe they will start implement energy labels to blockchains and only cpu focused algorithms make sense than. Besides of course proof of stake / Masternodes.

In all 3 areas i see the ARMedONE.
Cpu mineable coins which also feature Tokenization on chain will get better energy rating than pure payment focused chains.

You write nonsense. The hashrate of a coin primarily depends on the algorithm.
If you think that GPUs are superior to CPUs, then try mining Monero with the RandomX algorithm on GPU. It's not a shitcoin.
Try to improve these results.
https://xmrig.com/benchmark
And not all algorithms will win mobile solutions, so you need to understand for which algorithms to buy equipment.

I can’t share in depth details without asking first but as hint: all major forces on earth are in a race for Computational supremacy.
We try to enhance the availability and options of upgrade paths and make the infrastructure future proof.
Minimizing impact on the environment and the problem of getting hardware at all in crisis situations.
On the other hand we cramp a lot of Server into a single server case (28 to 1) so we can quickly create backup solutions for hacked data centers which are system relevant. And in best case in a mobile solution.

There is more but that’s what I find exciting. #resilience

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/armedone-clusterboard-to-start-the-era-of-sustainable-cryptomining-2022-12-12?mod=search_headline

Most of us are focused on Software solutions.
I had some hardware projects in the past.

For me all projects are piece of a bigger picture. Slowly getting there ; )

What is this server use case?
Can you specify or is it still a secret?

Are you only focused on this article, or do you already have other products made?

2 good news:
1. we got today the qualification for funding R&D for the board for server use cases (EU Fund)

2. production of number one and so we should be able to launch the Kickstarter campaign in a few days.



We are now also preparing a model inside a nice case for mining purposes as well as one workstation.

My duty is to show cpu Mining and profitability as well as Alexandria (a proof of storage) and last but not least Transcendence Trusted Nodes (worlds first decentralized trading-botnet)

Stay tuned. Rollercoaster incoming

I will prepare a video about cpu Mining Xbtx and how much better arm performs there than anything else.

Actually miners still used CPU to mine coins. But, as more people are interested in coin mining, the mining process became more difficult since Hashrate is increased. And now GPU Hashrate is higher than CPU.

Due to illness the sample production will start Tuesday.
We are going to prepare mining relevant infos before the launch of the campaign.

The problem is that your motherboards will start selling from August September 2023. If there are working samples, then I'm interested in watching a video review with consumption and profit in mining. So far, I don’t understand how to calculate the payback and what coins can be mined.

SBC consists of more elements than required to act as a Server or Miner.
Can you agree on that? This is the reason Compute Modules do exist. They have less parts on it but all features as long the carrier board covers the I/O

So let's say the same computer as SBC costs 120 but as Module only 57. Technically the same just minus all the connectors and less production costs and complexity.

And now you put all of them together on a single carrier (28 in that case).

From our experience larger CPU's scale badly as they consume more power than several small ARM SBC's. And if we take now the overhead of unecessary parts out of the SBC's, than we get a point of Ressource saving / less impact on environment / less costs / less power consumption / flexible availbility on the market / and scaling means also scaling based on users pocket.

What part of "scaling" makes you think that?

You're fixated on SBx clusters and trying to sell the concept for mining. Mining doesn't benefit from formal clustering.
IP networks, PCIe, USB all work just as well.

ASIC miners have a small control board and multiple hash boards. GPU mining rigs have multiple GPUs using PCIe.
Why not do something similar? Xeon Phi was an overpriced PCIe compute module that never found a market. It was also lousy
at mining but the concept solves the scaling problem for CPU mining. Common sense would also suggest that fewer, larger CPUs
would scale better than a larger number of SBMs.
 

You are looking from a different point of view it seems. In your eyes you are mining with one CPU only and try to be decentralized.
I think (?).

So you think its is less expensive to buy one SBC which costs lets say 120$ as like a VIM3 for example.

Ok..

The ordinary miner is checking how much it costs and how rentable it is. So if it makes sense he wants to scale up quickly.

Now my point is what happens if you buy 28 of such SBC's

so 28x 120$ = 3360
Our Board costs currently at a low amount of 100 pieces = 1499€ (at kickstarter)
= 1861€ left for Modules.

For the SBC's you need:
28x Ethernet cables = 28$ depending on lenths
28x Powercables (not all SBC's do PoE) = 28$
And a PSU to power all of them = Don't know 100$
Or 28x 5.90$ if you choose psu per module

Let's say around about 156$ on top, you would save in first round of adding modules. (1x ATX 350W PSU and 1x Ethernet = 26 + 1 =27€ would be needed).

The idea of our board is that you can just replace the Modules with a new generation of Hardware.

So the invest of 1499€ for the board was done only once.

Now you have the benefit that you can use "cost-effective and flexible configurable Compute Modules", instead of just another fully equipped SBC with stuff like Audio, Ethernet, USB, HDMI and whatever connectors you just don't need again.

So the new batch of 28 SBC's would cost much more in the moment of investment, than the "second" batch of Modules for the very same "already" paid ARMedONE.

The third time you add new Hardware saves again money compared to SBC's
and so on.

And thats what i mean also with democratic. It's cost effective(higher accessible) and the longer you stay in mining, the more often you want to upgrade, the better.
As said the price depends as usually on demand. The more people support it, the better and the prices go down and we can create "together" low cost core-modules.
If we reach the second step of creating modules, i can imagine to make the design and layout open source.

Hot swapping isn't needed for mining with CPUs or anything else. I already mentioned the real problem with scaling CPU mining.
An expensive carrier board that adds unnecessary features doesn't do it. Any solution needs to be cheap.

There might be a market for what you're building, but mining isn't it.

Democracy is power to the people. We deliver Power to the people

Democracy is one person, one vote (CPU).

Hmm interesting that you don't find it democratic : )
I think the opossite:
by offering a platform which is open to all kind of modules we provide a standard. This standard makes it less exensive as soon people start adopting.
The prices we show is based on 100 only. So expect price cuts during the campaign -> we can't change prices but add stretch goals.

So instead of everyone is cooking his own soup, it becomes an adaptable solution and home of new modules based on new tech.

Also to be fair you have to count in the cost reductions for "workhours" and "peripherals" as you need only 1/28th of cables, psu's (even more as you can connect boards to each other), Cables, etc.

Work reduction means:
If you need to update to a new CPU-Core (ARM, x64, Fpga, Risc-V, etc) you can do that during runtime. No need to power off anything. No work to cut off cables, unpluf PSU's, swap psu's, add cables again, mount the board and so on...

It is as easy and quick as adding a RAM module on a mainboard. CLICK
So if you think about Mining Farms and managing them, you will find it very cost effictive to be able to scale and upgrade them to new Technology in 1/28th of the time or even less compared to Servers / Rigs or SBC's. You are faster mining again, you have quicker access to new tech.
Also logistic is much easier as the new "Hardware" is tiny as a SO-DIMM RAM Module. Much better than new Fullsize MAinbaords all the time and new CPU's and new RAM and whatever is required to make it run.. this is like comparing sending a RAM module via Post vs an Elephant by foot. So the shipping costs a Farm saves when upgrading to a new GEN of CPU's should be convincing enough.  
 
Also the last years were showing a tendency to centralization of Blockchains. By having physical 28 servers (more if you use virtualization) inside a box you can help to decentralize multiple chains being them PoW or PoS(Masternode) based. So as enthusiast you can be more democractic at lower cost.

If we reach the Target, we may also reach Stretch-goals and we can create own Core-Modules.
If we make it, you can stay in touch via discord and the community which hopefully is born then, can build own modules. If there is enough demand, we built it on request. I think it's democratic : ) at least a good foundation for a democracy.

There is also Open-Risc and Risc-V whch allows to design own opensource chips.

Have you heard about the Fujitsu Fugaku supercomputer on ARM processors? This is a very powerful supercomputer.
https://www.fujitsu.com/global/about/innovation/fugaku/
ARM processors are not universal like video cards and may not be popular for home mining due to the difficulty of purchasing these mining solutions.

Farm mining is well established, there's no need for fancy clustering, just a proxy server.
The issue with large scale CPU mining is scaling efficiently and cheaply. Your board is overkill and overpriced.
It's also not very democratic.

Those are stackable:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/155266265421?hash=item242697314d:g:qhoAAOSwBiBjeT8w&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4Ozn9cBR291d88M6cmiTK7qEX19RskhtqFk7uWdei%2F5GrM%2BRu4pEVomNOhND%2Fhi8sbUpIVRSqxP0%2FAZCyI76ZSveFWb5nTVKCKizhLU4bMcxrlt6XgwOlZtkSf2xBWFbbC5Un3dOUkeAud9ainpwK2WHOV0UrO97eLPeZss3YG2bl%2BNvBHy3g%2Fqy7RJQ9913Lk8NxQqflSdymHakclJtNehGp7%2BGiB27X3V3OHh3d8SY56%2BXT4pcntT3K23CsbdctmxDGdCCjIRBTJMC5RGs9UDiLZcikOFw9C79iSI9c11C%7Ctkp%3ABFBMlp23g55h

And it is what I’ve meant above to fill the waiting time until the board is delivered, those could be send to let people play with the software and help to improve it.

To start with, and without big investments, what equipment would you suggest?
By chance, microcomputers were something I never explored, but it might be interesting to analyze.

Mining with phones is not suggested as the may blow up.
We have plenty of community images for odroid, Pi and VIM Bords.

https://miningpoolstats.stream/bitcoinsubsidium

This pool has images and I believe a calculator. But coin is undervalued as the engines (nft market and para token on top it XBTX ) will lift up soon:

https://xbtx.collective-b.net:8444/

Do you have any mining profitability emulator?
If I take an old smartphone, can I mine with it?

Hi, trust me we just use ARM for CPU mining.
I suggest to keep an eye on BitcoinSubsidium aka XBTX as it Supports NFT‘s and Tokenization.
It is especially efficient to mine with ARM CPU‘s .

https://discord.gg/f8rQhfk2

Xbtx guys obtained the NFT Marketplace license in Dubai and prepare a launch.
You can spend XBTX also on https://kryptobay.eu and you can check NFT‘s and tokens hosted on chain here:
https://assets.kryptobay.eu

NFT example:


Biggest bonus for XBTX and asic and gpu resistance … source is hosted in my GitHub ; )

I still question whether or not ARM processing capabilities are viable for mining.
They may have low consumption, but how many ARM processors did it take to have the same performance as a "normal" processor? Would it be profitable?

It is clear that you suggest mining on ARM processors due to their low power consumption.
But here the problem of competition with video cards or FPGA arises, because when the price of a coin rises, then its mining becomes profitable on other equipment.

Ok I can try to tell you how we plan to use it:
We use Custom clusters of Odroid N2+ and VIM‘s for mining but also as root servers for others including accessible remote desktops.
Since the SBC‘s (choosen for efficiency reasons) require a lot wiring we wanted to go a step further and optimize all that by getting a carrier for eternity.

We made it to last generations of modules yet to come.
We put them into Server cases and ordinary racks and can than swap and scale on demand during runtime.
For mining we want to provide own custom modules.

Some algo‘s work better on some ARM systems than anything amd or Intel offers.
Being able to create and use excactly what matches the best (invest and efficiency) is great.
Also it is nice if this thing acts like a server and can be easely controlled without much effort.
Hosters and hashrate providers get a standardized setup (good for employees- and saves time every time you have to scale or to adapt). Maybe you also like to see FPGA or GPU modules.

What we are also going to do is to offer custom cases (again a stretchgoal).

Today after first coffee I had the idea to create a super duper early bird which includes an odroid N2+ based System as waiting time filler (can be send instant )

We believe that cpu Mining is the most Democratic way of mining and would like to mix this with the fact that you get a edge computing cluster acting as your new way a Mac Pro should be like. Modular heterogenous mix of modules . Specific ones for specific tasks.

This way your computer (therefore E-ATX standard) will be your own serverfarm at your fingertips. Choose server style cases, Tower or cubes and or custom cases similar to asics for extreme Temperatur regulations.

Interesting feature is also that you can connect those carriers to each other and build Sandwiches (custom case) whiny requiring wires and psu only once.

From your presentation, I did not understand how this motherboard will be useful for miners.

the price may drop based on demand. To reach a much lower prices we have to reach a stretch goal. If we reach that we plan to add modules (options) for the same price.

The Bord features some stuff the 35$ board wouldn’t do.
For example you can Hotplug modules which means you can scale and upgrade / swap modules at any time.
Also the board features 3Gbps internally between nodes which is more than others do.

In order to cut down future module prices by removing the need to have internal Flash storage the Bord has microSD for each module slot.

So in the next step (again a stretch-goal) we can provide our own Core-Modules which are more cost effective as there is no need for internal storage.

About the delivery:
The Baords will be produced and shipped in waves.(early birds first) It’s a sort of reserve time we planned if the demand is exceeding our expectations. If it goes over the top we may let produce them also in Asia. Right now it is made in Germany.

We keep you updated. You may also like to join the discord to stay updated.

About cpu Mining you can also check out XBTX which offers on chain tokenization (assets) similar to Ravencoin but with the Verium Algorithm

Overall the Board is just the base for the modules we plan. All we need is Ram and CPU so why not putting 2 or 4 cpus on one module ?

Also we provide customs distributions and with quartex also a cloud os running on top of the Nodes which makes it more like a user friendly Desktop like experience utilizing the fact that you have a cluster of heterogeneous hardware.

For miners it is a breeze to be able to swap modules on the fly against new fresh hardware.

Just keep an eye 👁 out we keep you updated. Next week we show the production line Video / photos and you can see us as well.

Edit:
Excursion: https://quartexpascal.wordpress.com/project/introduction-to-quartex-media-desktop/
If you know NAS desktops interfaces, you get the point about Quartex

It looks way overpriced to me, a POE network switch that eliminates the connectors & cables.
A single module board costs around $35 and has the connectors and power delivery built in.
28 of those is around $1000.

According to a representative from ARES Blockchain Gmb, the ARMedONE clusterboard will be launched around mid-December on Kickstarter.com. Some of the preliminary pledges depend on the shipping date. For example, the “Early adopter” pledge costs ~€1,499.00 and it gets you 1x ARMedOne board shipping around July 2023.

The “Kickstarter edition” pledge costs ~€1,699.00; the pledge includes 1x board, but it ships around August 2023.

The third batch will cost ~€1,825.00 and it will ship around September 2023. The retail price is expected to be ~€1,999.00 after the campaign ends.
https://linuxgizmos.com/armedone-cluster-board-supports-up-to-28x-popular-computer-modules/

And what should the miner do for the next 7-8 months? I do not want to wait.

Undoubtedly this moment is for enthusiasts, and for those who have some capital to invest without major risks or losses.
The question now is always to know, which is the currency that will become a new Ethereum, taking third place on the podium.

For those who can still continue to explore this type of mining, CPU and GPU, I suggest at this point to bet on several different currencies. Mining a little of each, to be better positioned for an eventual climb in the future.

For enthusiast crypto currency miners I believe they are willing to take a risk for 2000 EUR and try to populate this with good devices to generate coins,right now there is RTM-Raptoreum which has a great team behind but since the coin is not listed yet for trading in Binance it has a really low value and even I who am mining with just 2 processors make like 25-30 coins daily,imagine someone with that device with that hold place for other 28 devices to mine this coin,it can mine in 6 months quite a lot of them and if this coin increase in price which has a high probability as it will offer developers to make smart contracts there in 2-3 programming languages,it will be a great choice.

That might even be interesting, but at this time, with the price of energy rising all over the world, and the low value of CPU coins, I find it difficult to explore this type of mining.

CPU mining, in addition to consuming a lot of energy, also causes rapid wear to the chips. Which gives a very low durability. Therefore, I believe that CPU mining will only continue to be a small mining and that it is more for testing than anything else.

https://linuxgizmos.com/armedone-cluster-board-supports-up-to-28x-popular-computer-modules/
XXL Carrier-Board for all kinds of Compute Modules.