A Fully Decentralized World is Possible?

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Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

A fully decentralized world cannot exist for a long time. Humanity in its development has gone through this more than once. Therefore, there is a saying that one who does not want to feed his army will be forced to feed someone else's. Decentralization in public life means complete anarchy. How then can you control your property, your money, if any group of armed people can enter your house and take away any property, including your cryptocurrency computer? Are you going to hire your own private army for this?
The government, the army, the police are still necessary, as are certain rules of conduct in society.

Stealing things from people who live in decentralized world will be made difficult.
There will be stuff like alarms, Cameras will be watching, there will be very tough defenses, and quick means of escape (known to only the citizens) . Things will be reordered frequently to make detecting this security secrets very difficult.
Besides, having too much physical properties will be discouraged amongst the citizens. The properties should be easy to move around and easy to decoupled..
Much of our wealth will be in decentralized world, so that they can't be easily stolen. Decentralized Insurances will also help incase of theft or accidents

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

A fully decentralized world cannot exist for a long time. Humanity in its development has gone through this more than once. Therefore, there is a saying that one who does not want to feed his army will be forced to feed someone else's. Decentralization in public life means complete anarchy. How then can you control your property, your money, if any group of armed people can enter your house and take away any property, including your cryptocurrency computer? Are you going to hire your own private army for this?
The government, the army, the police are still necessary, as are certain rules of conduct in society.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

The bitter truth is that total decentralisation can never be achieved, centralized authorities will always fight back to be in control. Why do you think crypto adoption is questionable? Everything boils down to the fact that decentralisation is the major issue here. The government want to always control your funds and watch your spending. My bank account was frozen two weeks ago (although now unlocked) because I received a whooping sum, which was meant to kick-start and offline project. We look to seeing a day when at least majority of people will appreciate decentralized systems.

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I think part of our lives in the future can be decentralized but not everything. There are many projects like infrustractures can't be done by fully decentralized units. Centralized power is much stronger than a single unit.

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I wish it could be. But who knows if that can really happen - full decentralization of the whole world... for now, it just sounds like a dream, a fairytale which all people believe in and desparately strive for it.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

I think the order will be chaotic if that would happen. Even though no one would regulate the money that is circulating in the world, it would increase the possibility of having greed and scams occur more likely. We should not dream about having a decentralized world, instead we should look forward on having a more proper monetary system regulated by the government. We will be like animals set free on the wild, abusing our freedom and denying other people's welfare.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

You could if you live a nomadic kind of lifestyle. I doubt most people would like that kind of lifestyle. Some people like myself are probably born nomads. We will only have to rely on centralized internet to
1. Link our citizens surveillance cameras to decentralized web cam streaming sites
2. Browse the internet
3. Make calls
4. Use Blockchain services etc

So the internet will remain centralized until we find decentralized ways to access those services. If using the internet becomes difficult for nomads, we could come up with alternatives ways to communicate with the rest of world.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

A fully decentralized system may turn out to be chaotic. Security will be a big issue then. If someone got cheated or theft then what he will do? whom he will complain? You don't want to be controlled by the gov but who is going to build a road for you. The situation will not go in any positive direction. The rich people will rule the world virtually ( yes, of course, they are still ruling but now we have an option to blame the gov.)

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

We can make it in part, but not entirely, we still need the government to govern some part of our society but decentralization is something we all want to achieve in some part of our lives, I think it is attainable in the future there are some areas that we can let the government control some areas that we can employ decentralization.

Why not let them coexist together, I like the idea of separating jurisdictions if government will allow this to happen and let decentralization to exist while government rules are also active along side with this system. If freedom can be enjoyed by those responsible people who can deal with decentralization without ruining the system.

We do want to have decentralized system where we can freely deal without compromising our identity, but due to government laws there's also
an obligation to be a responsible citizen so best to have separations between this two..

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

Full decentralization can be difficult. I think leaving humanity to live as it wishes would be the end of humanity. Without rules, everybody kills each other. But, decentralization may belong to some directions.

To achieve this, humanity should be ready for it, because now all systems need to be changed radically to be implemented. Also we need time to adopt, just leaving it in time will bring us to the right path.

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I think a decentralised world becomes viable when storing entire blockchains on devices is made possible through an increase in device memory.

However, one thing centralised institutions do offer are: insurance policies, user-friendly interfaces and new features. All of which improve quickly, due to available funding.

But the benefits might one day be few and far between, given the amount of talent working on decentralised applications right now.

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No. We can only achieve decentralization to a specific factors but not a fully decentralized world. Governments and even most people won't agree to that idea. We want bitcoin to be accepted globally but that doesn't mean we're aiming for a decentralized world. That's very unlikely to happen. If that happens, possibly there would be no world peace

You want the government to admit it, but you also know what the big impact will be.

Bitcoin brought decentralization from the start and this will always be in conflict with conventional systems. I only predict one thing where one party must start supporting and changing the most appropriate system for economic integration, and this will also be a heated debate from the capitalists in each coming year.

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Quote from: mdzahed134 on October 21, 2019, 01:18:17 PM

I think it’s never possible which you asking a regarding fully decentralised world. Definitely, first of all government is the big obstacle i think. Although right now many countries are totally decentralised which countries are got legalization. Government try to control our money because of only if you will able to control it’s illegal and there are a lot of possibility to money laundering this is the point of view in government. That's why you can't expect full world will be decentralised in the future.

Governments want to control our money by printing new ones. So, with a decentralized world, we will not have these issues. This is one of the main reasons for us to use crypto currencies. So, we need a decentralized world for Bitcoin to succeed.

If people succeed to choose decentralized, government will not be the big issue of this. however we need everyone to understand it that we need decentralization to over it. but non of us will think positive result about it. so its very difficult to take a move of it now. better that everyone will agreed that this actions will take the result we wanted.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

I don't think this idea of a fully decentralized world is possible and the government won't allow it to happen because there will be a lot of downsides that will surely mess up the whole economy. First of, if everyone will be free from the grip of the government, so many legal issues will be raised, for everyone including the criminals will be free and will be able to do execute their crimes as if it was legal. Another thing is, people won't surely be using anythin related to the governments manipulation that will lead to the economic downfall.

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I think it is impossible for the world to implement a fully decentralized, because we live there are times when it must be controlled by
government. If every world citizen wants freedom, and does not want to be regulated by the state, chaos can occur. This is very dangerous
if left unchecked, if everyone does not want to be regulated then what is the function of government. Let life's harmony occur must be
balanced between centralization and decentralization. Sometimes we cannot be selfish in living life, there are certain moments we must yield
for good. I hope we can all mature in thinking, we can fight for freedom. But we must know are limits.

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Nothing is impossible, everything can give a chance to happen. Cryptocurrencies could be the center when it comes to economics, investment or business. Since cryptocurrencies are never get old and still on the process of becoming more profitable.

Technically, the main advantage of crypto to other financial asset is it being dynamic, it is not too hard ro improve or develop so, whenever incase a breach happen, it can be supplied with endless possible solutions.

With regards to the world being decentralized, it is better if we can think of options that we will use as backbone other than utulizing the technology behind cryptocurrency which is the blockchain. In this case we fully manage a network which suits different areas from finance, to other assets.

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I think so. Everyone would govern themselves and each other. We would all have crypto from all kinds of companies so will all have access to the things that would normally become available from taxes. Instead of wasting time going the tax route, that money(crypto) is placed directly back into development and thus new roads can be built and things can be repaired. The number of tokens you have will determine how many dividends you get out of each company and you will work and ear the tokens or coins of whatever that company is. Like working for fixing the road will give you stocks(crypto) in all road work and depending on how it does you will get dividends.

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I think it’s never possible which you asking a regarding fully decentralised world. Definitely, first of all government is the big obstacle i think. Although right now many countries are totally decentralised which countries are got legalization. Government try to control our money because of only if you will able to control it’s illegal and there are a lot of possibility to money laundering this is the point of view in government. That's why you can't expect full world will be decentralised in the future.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on October 14, 2019, 06:36:03 PM

The society has services like water, electricity, internet... and for those services, we need a provider, and that's the problem, we can decentralize those services, maybe they could start accepting bitcoin payment but the way they work is centralized, if you don't pay your bills they will just cut the service. I think this is one obstacle to decentralization.

That is the problem and that's why I don't think everything should be decentralized. Imagine, for example if we were truly democratic, we would have to rely on socialism for people to help those who could not afford these services.

Imagine if we have a marketplace with prices for profit. How will poor people afford? Still need centralized person to decide who to help.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

Theoretically, it's pretty easy to say that such a world can exist but the problem is even in such a world there wouldn't be complete decentralization but there would be a complete capitalism which means the companies which owns the larger share in the world economy will begin to dominate us politically too while we on the other hand would become helpless and would have no option than to surrender ourselves to these big capitalists. For example if Elon Musk in your example decides to shut down the Satellite at his own wish no one can really do anything about it.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

There is a project that is now working on creating a real decentralized network and they have big plans. They're not after money, but want to make a impactful change in the world so we will be no longer dependent on the authorities. The project is called QORT - you can search it on Bitcointalk or give me a PM and I'll forward you to it.

Decentralization is something we should achieve in order for our world to function better so we should pursue it!

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

The society has services like water, electricity, internet... and for those services, we need a provider, and that's the problem, we can decentralize those services, maybe they could start accepting bitcoin payment but the way they work is centralized, if you don't pay your bills they will just cut the service. I think this is one obstacle to decentralization.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

I personally feel that going towards this direction of being fully decentralized, we may feel the opposite of what we are expecting. The purpose of the government is for the general welfare of the people and for the benefit of the country so we cannot disregard their duty.

A decentralized currency may be considered as one example that can be beneficial but other aspects like properties, healthcare, etc. are best left to the government for their regulation and control. Imagine living a world with freedom on actions- which may potentially be chaotic in the long run.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

And how are satellites more decentralized than ISP's? It's the same client-server relationship as with having wired Internet. I think this example just shows that decentralization is very hard to achieve, and may be even impossible. Satoshi invented decentralized money because he came up with very clever solution based on proof of work and cryptography, but this same solution doesn't apply to other fields, because there's a fundamental and unsolved problem with "putting something on blockchain" - all the proposed solution have some trusted parties, meaning they are not decentralized.

So, just because someone says that they are decentralized, it doesn't mean that they actually are, and it should be verified by someone with enough knowledge about the system.

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A world that is fully decentralized where no one is ruling and controlling each other can make the world into a mess. We always need someone to lead us. To make things organized. If we control every asset we have and no one is there to interfere and regulate it, it's more vulnerable for theft. Since no one would even care if you lost your asset since you wanted to control your own assets. A society won't function if everyone's only minding their own. Even in a small organization, we tend to choose someone who'll lead us to control us. That's why a fully decentralized world won't work.

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I don't think so, It will never ever possible so far I know, How you can control your whole thing by yourself? You can't do because you are able to control the whole process, Yeah, You may have the control on your money but all the monetary system is controlled by the government, Most important thing is that without centralized system within the government, you can't live a systematic life within your society, of course, Government can't run without cental based policy and it's not possible to keep calm in the society without full controlling of Government, A lot of disorder would be held when government can't have any control over the situation, So I don't think this would be a good idea for any development.

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Quote from: mazdafunsun on October 09, 2019, 11:47:30 AM

It is not possible, it is a dream.
There is not only negative side of control over money and transfers but also legitimate reasons why governments need to do it. The biggest one is money laundering, we all live in countries and countries give us different kind of services which are financed by our taxes. Therefore there is need for control and centralisation.

We won't need taxes since the money will come from us. We will have different investments and ownage in different things. Everything around you will be sorted into shared(basically crypto currency) everyone will need to own a certain amount and they would want to as well or they would not have crypto to survive. It would work. Basically, if you don't support the infilstructre you will starve.

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Quote from: Alert31 on October 09, 2019, 11:24:36 AM

No,because government agency and banks will not allow that to happen. Even crypto is legal in some countries it is still impossible to have a fully decentralized world because still government has a full authority over it. We have rules and regulation to follow.

But crypto is decentralized, in some ways. One of the biggest thing for governments is money. So, if they make our money decentralized, why not the other things? Main source of income for the governments is taxes. This is a contradiction. If we make ourselves decentralized in terms of controlling our own money, than the other things should be more easy.

We don't need taxes. Everything will be decentralized.

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In fact, if you are more scrupulous in approaching this issue, then any independence of a person and of those systems that he uses is quite illusory. Independence does not exist, and the same can be said about anonymity, which is simply a manic idea of many, which is not feasible in our realities. But in the future it’s very difficult to talk about it at all, as technologies are developing at a rapid pace.

Actually, I don't believe in the idea of being fully decentralized in the world. We may have in the far future but till then, we will be on other planets. And those who believe in fully decentralized worlds will be having a single planet for their ideas. On earth, it doesn't seem much possible.

Yes, we may reach the greatness and power but I'm still thinking that there's someone that will rule as the greatest of them all. It's very impossible for the idea of being a decentralized world because there will be always power and the desire to control things.

Even we're in modern technology where we use advanced technology, even the internet was developing, the decentralized world is very impossible.

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Quote from: micalith on October 09, 2019, 02:12:35 PM

Then I want to ask if we really believe in cryptocurrencies or not. Because, the idea of decentalization for me starts with bitcoin. If we don't think that we will not get decentralization, being here doesn't make much sense. As I said, this is a contradiction and we first need to overcome this in order to move on to the next one.

Being here does make sense, we believe in decentralization but alas, in reality we have no power to implement it in our country, but even though that is the truth, having a small community of people practicing decentralized stuff feels great.

Quote from: Mandoy on October 11, 2019, 08:36:54 AM

It is really possible but there are many obstacles before we could realize that. First we have government adoption of cryptocurrency; as we all know not all countries are able to recognize bitcoin just like India where the government is banning the use of cryptocurrency. We also have the internet connections; not all areas around the world has internet access and can make transactions using a mobile phone or app. Aside from that our world today is still clinging to the traditional currency which is fiat, the world is so used to it that we will need to wait for long years before cryptocurrency will replace fiat. But in the end it is still possible to have a fully decentralized world in the future, but as of now we still are very far away from it.

Government adopting cryptocurrency means imposing regulation on it. Thus the law will be applied and obviously there will be restrictions. Once government regulation is applied, the decentralized system will automatically collapse since it will autmatically shift to centralized governance.

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It is really possible but there are many obstacles before we could realize that. First we have government adoption of cryptocurrency; as we all know not all countries are able to recognize bitcoin just like India where the government is banning the use of cryptocurrency. We also have the internet connections; not all areas around the world has internet access and can make transactions using a mobile phone or app. Aside from that our world today is still clinging to the traditional currency which is fiat, the world is so used to it that we will need to wait for long years before cryptocurrency will replace fiat. But in the end it is still possible to have a fully decentralized world in the future, but as of now we still are very far away from it.

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Quote from: RIDER_tej on October 09, 2019, 12:24:40 PM

It is a good thought however we required to think in various directions, if you expect a fully decentralized world then how do you face a situation when you are supposed to make a payment in an unknown city who do not know you and your digital asset turned off due to no charging Huh

also imagine the shop keeper is very aggressive.

With full decentralization it will not make the government ineffective.
Their job is to monitor us, penalized those who go against the law therefore they will never allow to lose power because of decentralization.

just take Libra for example, its planning to have their project launch by next year but the government sees a possibility that it will make fiat obsolete and they will loss control since its facebook that will issue money to billions of people who might use their platform, in short they are threaten.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

Similar satellite for Bitcoin already exists. It is called Blockstream Satellite. I guess there are few other Bitcoin satellites in the sky owned by thesame/other companies. Am not sure if this particular satellite is capable of sending and receiving data like normal internet satellites. The last time I checked, it's used for downloading full nodes. The company probably has more Bitcoin satellites and/or normal internet satellites in the sky today

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Quote from: RIDER_tej on October 09, 2019, 12:24:40 PM

It is a good thought however we required to think in various directions, if you expect a fully decentralized world then how do you face a situation when you are supposed to make a payment in an unknown city who do not know you and your digital asset turned off due to no charging Huh

also imagine the shop keeper is very aggressive.

Nice point and this is some of the problems that decentralization will bring,and I believe that we don’t need to be fully decentralized because world has a lot of things to have in centralized governments,yeah we hate regulations in crypto but this not applied to all the things we have

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Unfortunately full decentralization is probably impossible and this is already a utopia

Why does it mean Utopia?can you kindly explain how it goes ?sorry but I don’t get the point here

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

Basically, it seems so impossible because you are isolating yourself from the law, which you need to abide, decentralize money has their potential to be acceptable because of its many features that benefits the common good, but considering the system where you have your own unregulated internet connection seems impossible, it needs to be connected to the transatlantic cable above the seabed and the ISP's are the one that have the capability to have that.

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In my opinion, the government is an organization that carries out the task of managing the government system and implementing policies in achieving the country's goals. I don't think that the government should regulate everything, but they also give freedom to their citizens to make their own personal rules. But if the economic problems and the financial system maybe they can not allow and prevent things that threaten the financial system.
The government has the right to regulate, because that is their job.

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Making our world completely decentralized is not possible. The centralization of our life primarily means its streamlining, that is, the establishment of general rules of conduct in society, the non-observance of which entails certain sanctions against violators of these rules. If this does not happen, there will be chaos in the world where the right of the strong will prevail. Humanity has already passed these periods of development and there is no point in returning to them.
A similar thing will happen in the financial sector if we want decentralization in it. Then we completely need to rely only on ourselves and fully take responsibility for possible risks. Not everyone will be ready for this.

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every country has there way in handling their situation but can we really hve that chance of decentralized in all aspect of live ? i dont think so as many govt would not give a damn about it as cetralized is what gives them power to rule over the citizen which i think are why some are yet to work toward the decentralized system and ven with the crypto they still control the AML and KYC of a thing just like US .

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Its hard to decentralize everything but bitcoin was created for this and we should make something to keep it in this way. In my opinion I don't think even the decentralize exchanges are 100% like that but they feed us with this until we're thinking they are. A fully decentralized world will make Banks really go away and fiat will no longer be available or will have worthless value and its impossible to achieve something like this when they already trying to make fully control of Bitcoin ...this was not Nakamoto's dream at all ...Governments don't care, they just want control.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

I think it is not possible. In my opinion, governments will decide to make their own digital fiat money. Governments won't be willing to make their currency a volatile and uncontrollable cryptocurrency I think.

I agree with you. Governments will give up fiat money that we use now eventually. But I don't think that they will prefer a volatile cryptocurrency like Bitcoin as a local currency. They will prefer making a digital and manipulable coin. For example, North Korea is aiming this now.

Then I want to ask if we really believe in cryptocurrencies or not. Because, the idea of decentalization for me starts with bitcoin. If we don't think that we will not get decentralization, being here doesn't make much sense. As I said, this is a contradiction and we first need to overcome this in order to move on to the next one.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

It can be if you really emphasize the concept of anonymity in yourself. I prefer to think that if you are too decentralized it could endanger yourself, the government needs our information to protect us from some interference. So far we live in a country and why there must be regulations because to protect some citizens' rights.

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It is a good thought however we required to think in various directions, if you expect a fully decentralized world then how do you face a situation when you are supposed to make a payment in an unknown city who do not know you and your digital asset turned off due to no charging Huh

also imagine the shop keeper is very aggressive.

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It is not possible, it is a dream.
There is not only negative side of control over money and transfers but also legitimate reasons why governments need to do it. The biggest one is money laundering, we all live in countries and countries give us different kind of services which are financed by our taxes. Therefore there is need for control and centralisation.

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Perhaps if you are living in a deserted island because you don't like someone would control what you are doing. But the things that you wished to be decentralized is still being controlled by the government because everyone should cooperate in order to live the life that you wanted.

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No,because government agency and banks will not allow that to happen. Even crypto is legal in some countries it is still impossible to have a fully decentralized world because still government has a full authority over it. We have rules and regulation to follow.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

No, there will be no absolute decentralized system. Thanks to the government for that. Even on the early age, community had been centralized through the rulings of elders, or cheif. Centralized system had been a practiced way back so thinking about decentralization to happen now is just throwing a punch to the moon. The current situation of Bitcoin adoption now can atest to that. Things will always bound to centralization. See third party apps over decentralized Bitcoin, government regulation and AML with regards to cryptocurrency.

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First of all, the central powers that is government and central banks wouldn't let this happen because of the conflict of interest. Plus the decentralized economic model won't work because of the difference in purchasing power among countries. Even if a the world goes decentralized, there will be a few with majority of the asset which again gonna create difference in income which is not a successful working model for the world.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

I think it is not possible. In my opinion, governments will decide to make their own digital fiat money. Governments won't be willing to make their currency a volatile and uncontrollable cryptocurrency I think.

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A thousand years ago, the world was decentralized. But as more people populate the planet, inevitably governments form. Armies form. Then rules and regulations.

Anything big that involves more than a handful of people, or things that have relatively greater value than just your typical groceries, such as vehicles and real estate properties will have some form of centralization.

The fact you are a citizen of a particular country, you are part of a centralized database.

Now, there could be some compromise, as usually government leave you alone, if you leave them alone, depending on the type of government or even private corporations. We all try to exist in this world, we have to get along with each other.

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What you're saying is almost impossible. We cannot live in a fully decentralized world where everything we do is in our own control and no one would be controlling us at any aspect. Unless everything you do, use, and such are your own. If each and everyone can create and make their own internet, money, things, then you control your own. But since you're in a country govern by someone higher than you, and you're using something you didn't make, then they can still control you . It's possible if you have your own country where you're the only one living there. But you know the saying, "no man is an island"? We cannot live by our own. With only ourselves. We always need someone to help us, to accompany us, and such.

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It is possible indeed, but also people's atitiudes must change in order to embrace this kind of new paradigm shift. We talk about a transfer of wealth, caring and including the poor and the Unbanked, yet at the same time, we hack, steal, cheat and scam our fellow crypto workers and investors, like no tomorrow. Unless the people on this Planet become nicer, we cannot welcome such an ideologically sound world. We need first to cultivate empathy and compassion for our fellow human beings. in order to usher in this kind of change.

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Decentralization can be important for some reasons and be preserved when it does not collide with politics and the powers that be. Crytocurrency can be considered not be absolutely decentralized and places like internet can still be a fair platform for decentralized system. Brexit is a form of reaction to decentralization, at some point some people with exploit their advantage in the space, what the whales are doing in the space does not support the purpose of decentralization. They just manipulate, we dont want the government but we have the whales.

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I don't think that a fully decentralized world is possible. Cryptocurrency market will come to much better levels in the future and they will start to replace fiat money. But I don't think that governments will accept a full decentralization. There will be regulations and maybe they will create a new system that won't let the full control go from them.

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Quote from: mersal on October 09, 2019, 06:54:57 AM

Not everyone can have their own satellite,not everyone can have their properties and so the complete decentralized world is not possible.We may control our money by ourselves if we adopt to cryptos but still its not going to be complete decentralized since we have to pay those coins to some merchant if we want to buy something.

No, we cannot have our own satellites for sure. Please check Elon Musk's Starlink project. It is providing internet to the world through many satellites. There may be an ICO offering decentralized internet through satellites. Well, governments may shoot these satellites in the space if they want to block our internet but it is very unlikely. For a decentralized world, we need a decentralized ISP definitely.

Still the internet service provided by the private company right then how it can be considered as decentralized.

Sorry if I don't get your point.

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We can't decentralize all things, and we shouldn't. There are a lot of aspects in our lives that work a lot better if they are centralized. No control, which means everyone can do everything. Just imagine the whole world population to be like this. It won't work.

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We are on the very early days of decentralized world. Right now very few countries have been making themselves advanced through the blockchain technology which is the key factor that drives a decentralized network. I came across Estonia which has got its entire government administration integrated to the blockchain technology providing transparency in each and everything happening with the government.

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People want freedom and they want to enjoy it but they are going to be restricted to the many services that they need in their lives, the government will always fight for control to maintain orderliness and peace and they are going to succeed in some area but not all, so are people who want to be decentralized, they will try to fight it but they cannot win in some areas.
It's better that we have both centralization and decentralization in some areas.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

That is hard to imagine. If we will shift to a decentralized system all over, we will have anarchy. The most powerful mob will rule. You erase centralized governments and you will come up with a country, if it can still be called such, without peace and order. It is always nice to imagine absolute freedom without any kind of control from the outside. But be careful what you wish for, that is a double-edged sword. By nature, people need control.

You want absolute freedom in terms of property without legal titles, deeds, government records, etc? In a day or two from now, your house will be forcibly taken from you from someone else much stronger than you. You want absolute freedom with the internet? Our web will be full of hackers, pedophiles, selling of drugs, arms, illegal services, etc.

I say regulation is the key. A regulation that favors the people.

Exactly mate, it wouldn't work in a regular world and it'll be much too chaotic. The strongest group or person would win, and without a centralized system, crime would run rampant and businesses could literally do anything, it would be a huge mess.

Absolute freedom would never actually work, there are too many external factors and while the government is really stupid at the time, it is still needed and a world where the government doesn't do stupid shit is better than a free world.

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We live in a centralized world, all serious attempts to create decentralization will be spotted at the highest levels of government. How do you think the government of all countries relates to decentralization?
Where there is decentralization, there is no government. Therefore, this simply cannot be done. Cryptocurrency allows us to some extent get away from the part of state control, but we are all exactly inside the system that will always resist such changes.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc.

We already have a decentralization bitcoin system.
Everything that goes under a government must comply with applicable rules, so it can't be fully decentralized under centralized states.

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Quote from: Sohyun Park on October 09, 2019, 07:02:52 AM

I think decentralising property related matter is complicated. actually, confusing. How can property be managed on blockchain. Something like the sending the property doc to the address of the buyer? When we do not know who holds the address then how can we figure out to whom does the land belong.

Totally true but if i remember correctly one of the real estate project that i encounter have a combination of centralized and decentralized system for managing the properties. centralized is used for verification of the documents for each property before listing on their platform then decentralized comes in whenever you make a purchase or rent of a property.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

I don't know how's that going to be possible and how can we structure the civilization to make it decentralized, in the history of civilization decentralization is none existing, it could be chaos because each one is on its own, without interference to government or group or company,
we cannot implement full centralization but I'm ok that some areas of our lives can be decentralized and the government cannot interfer on that.

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This is going to be very difficult to happen. Religious beliefs, race, politics and business will make it tough. And even if decentralization on everything ever happens it won't lasts long. People on top will always try to make sure they continue their reign at the top. Governments imposing regulations in order to control its people.

Fully decentralized have good and bad effects. When everything is decentralized it will also possibly make it hard to track on bad elements. The most livable countries in the world will probably make its citizens decide to let the current system remains. While poor and countries with most unsatisfied citizens will vote for a fully decentralized system.

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Quote from: mersal on October 09, 2019, 06:54:57 AM

Not everyone can have their own satellite,not everyone can have their properties and so the complete decentralized world is not possible.We may control our money by ourselves if we adopt to cryptos but still its not going to be complete decentralized since we have to pay those coins to some merchant if we want to buy something.

No, we cannot have our own satellites for sure. Please check Elon Musk's Starlink project. It is providing internet to the world through many satellites. There may be an ICO offering decentralized internet through satellites. Well, governments may shoot these satellites in the space if they want to block our internet but it is very unlikely. For a decentralized world, we need a decentralized ISP definitely.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

I'd say that it's next to impossible to achieve an economy that is fully decentralised.

There are certain parts of the clog that is simply unfeasible or inefficient to decentralise. You've seen how decentralised exchanges have performed, for example. Cross currency trading has always been an issue that we've struggled with despite the best attempts at decentralising the entire process.

Escrow platforms (in broader terms, ebay, alibaba, etc.) are likely going to continue to be centralised to some degree, and they really make up a ton of global retail trade right now. It makes sense to remove the middlemen in terms of a currency and decentralising the currency supply, some other things we just have to accept that there is a degree of centrality with.

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I think decentralising property related matter is complicated. actually, confusing. How can property be managed on blockchain. Something like the sending the property doc to the address of the buyer? When we do not know who holds the address then how can we figure out to whom does the land belong.

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Not everyone can have their own satellite,not everyone can have their properties and so the complete decentralized world is not possible.We may control our money by ourselves if we adopt to cryptos but still its not going to be complete decentralized since we have to pay those coins to some merchant if we want to buy something.

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Quote from: Herbert2020 on October 09, 2019, 01:55:55 AM

i don't think we can ever make the entire world decentralized, i don't think that can even work. there are a lot of aspects in our lives that work a lot better if they are centralized. not to mention that it is always in human nature to follow a leader (aka the centralized power) and give up their own control. and in many aspects this works fine.
but in other things, for example a payment system, reaching full decentralization is possible. we have already done it with bitcoin and are increasing it every day too.

Aren't we controlling our money through cryptocurrencies? So, this shows that we are fully capable of having our own judgements. I asked that what obstacles we can face while decentralizing the other areas. This is not an easy process but it seems possible. It may not be in the near future or we may need to go another planets but this will be happening for sure I guess.

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Quote from: minersday on October 08, 2019, 06:52:51 PM

There can easily be a decentralized world but the question is; will everybody love the idea of making the entire world decentralized ? Once there are people who are solely into the idea of controlling and managing the in and out flow things, they will fight against making the world decentralized. Due to the existence of these people, decentralization will just be a fantasy rather than a reality.

My thoughts exactly. A decentralized world is really possible IF everyone is open and accepts the idea when it comes to it. Unfortunately, adapting to change is something people could not do easily as there will be factors who will be against it, be it things but mostly, people too. So I definitely agree that whatever we think, most of it will go down the drain and will only be fantasy.

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Quote from: Sancho18 on October 09, 2019, 02:37:58 AM

Full decentralization is not only possible, but inevitable. The only reason why this is still not the case, too much would have to be destroyed if such a world order were established. It used to be very romantic to make a revolution, but now such actions can be regarded as terrorism, and this cools the most violent minds well. We have to wait patiently when obsolete things themselves do not work out their resources and go to the dustbin of history or to the museum. But the inevitable is inevitable, and time works for us. Ha-ha.

How far you understand about decentralization? It might be possible for some people but not for 8 Billion people. Really, do you think it's easy to make the whole people in the world completely decentralized? It means that you control everything you have without any third party. Imagine the whole world population becoming like this, still you think it's possible?

I doubt that you are decentralized. I bet you are still using a centralized exchanges, using wallet from a company to save your funds and many other centralized product. No, it's not even possible for you to be decentralized so stop dreaming of a full decentralization.

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fully decentralize its impossible , There is no way the government can trust individual fully and there no way individual can trust government fully. there are many things that needs to be decentralize but some others thing must be centralize. Decentralization have allot of advantage also have allot of disadvantage. We all thinking about decentralization of money but how come if someone stole your asset from your wallet and you cant track it. individual need to their freedom but they also need to be protected so it make it impossible for fully decentralize the world.

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The thing about decentralizing everything in our world is not possible. There are things that are intended to be centralized and controlled by someone if we push to pursue a decentralized world that will be a world without rules and people will do whatever they want because they are in control of everything.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

Full decentralization is not only possible, but inevitable. The only reason why this is still not the case, too much would have to be destroyed if such a world order were established. It used to be very romantic to make a revolution, but now such actions can be regarded as terrorism, and this cools the most violent minds well. We have to wait patiently when obsolete things themselves do not work out their resources and go to the dustbin of history or to the museum. But the inevitable is inevitable, and time works for us. Ha-ha.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

If the government will allow it then it can be but lets face the reality. Most of the governments are corrupt and that is the truth and they want to use their power to control everything in their country and fiat currency is one of them.

Having a fully decentralized system globally isn't possible for me but having a decentralized currency system like Bitcoin aside from our centralized currency system which is the fiat is possible.

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ISPs are as strongly connected to the internet as the governments and banks are to the money. I don't think we will ever have a fully-decentralized world, where these institutions will simply give up on control. They can't even let us have our privacy, let alone control over the funds and what not. No, if you want it, you must take it yourself. Use crypto to control your own money, and use VPN to protect yourself and bypass censorship and geo-restrictions. As for the rest, well, some things can't be helped.

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i don't think we can ever make the entire world decentralized, i don't think that can even work. there are a lot of aspects in our lives that work a lot better if they are centralized. not to mention that it is always in human nature to follow a leader (aka the centralized power) and give up their own control. and in many aspects this works fine.
but in other things, for example a payment system, reaching full decentralization is possible. we have already done it with bitcoin and are increasing it every day too.

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It's not really possible to decentralise every thing. Some things are better being centralised for ease of usage, access and regulation. Decentralising everything means putting the power in everyone's hands, where anyone can do whatever suits him without any form of accountability or fear of being checked.

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No, I don't think that is possible. Obviously, some big people will not allow it to happen. Besides, a compete decentralization is risky, because there is no regulation at all. It is prone to scams and the likes. There must be an authority atleast in some aspects so that it can be regulated.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

if its possible to have a decentralized currency/payment system then i think its also possible for other stuffs to become decentralized and like what you said there are satelite that can bring dex internet . they can start to implement it , one at a time then after that we can advance on creating dex electricity and so on . you said you dont government to control your money ? then stop using local currency and switch to cryptocurrency ,that is your best option for now since its there is no dex fiats so far

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Quote from: gentlemand on October 08, 2019, 06:17:13 PM

Most people would actively shun decentralisation. They don't want the hassle or responsibility. They want an easy life and someone to do the hard stuff and moan to when it goes tits up.

Even at this still earliest of phases you have a very, very vocal element who want to chuck what decentralisation there is away in Bitcoin even though if they do the value proposition is nil.

Maybe in future it will be possible to live a life with many more of those principles in play. You'd definitely remain in a microscopic minority.

Indeed. And then they just rant and rant about how institutions fail tondo their jobs when in actual fact, institutions are doing their everything but it's just couldn't handle the amount and couldn't cater to everyone all at the same time.

There are also a lot of risks involved since no controlling party could manage the information the world has. This would make researches a bit kore difficult to perform or even world stats would become inaccurate unless everyone was asked to be involved in a survey or some sort.

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We can so that on our own but it's impossible to implement the decentralization worldwide for now. There will be lots of conflicts and the government will surely go against it. It will bring a lot of risks and might bring lots of negative advantage at the same time. It might also increase the percentage of the crime rate. However, we still got no idea about the future. Nothing is impossible in the advanced technology that we have.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

The world will be ruined if we have the fully decentralized system all over the world. No one can control you which means you can do everything. Yes, people wants to have a privacy but we need to be controlled because every people will not be responsible to what happens to your transactions. We have different mindset and different ways of thinking.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

That is hard to imagine. If we will shift to a decentralized system all over, we will have anarchy. The most powerful mob will rule. You erase centralized governments and you will come up with a country, if it can still be called such, without peace and order. It is always nice to imagine absolute freedom without any kind of control from the outside. But be careful what you wish for, that is a double-edged sword. By nature, people need control.

You want absolute freedom in terms of property without legal titles, deeds, government records, etc? In a day or two from now, your house will be forcibly taken from you from someone else much stronger than you. You want absolute freedom with the internet? Our web will be full of hackers, pedophiles, selling of drugs, arms, illegal services, etc.

I say regulation is the key. A regulation that favors the people.

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its not possible. there has to be an authority out there otherwise its just going to end up chaos because everyone wants to rule the world. not everyone just want to live peacefully being a farmer and eat what they are farming. today you can see already wealth is not equally distributed, decentralized as it is but not everyone are happy with what cryptocurrency had achieved. they are going to ask what about them?

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Many people want to be fully decentralized, it's only natural. Because every human needs privacy. But as humans who have to live
in groups, it is very selfish if we force our will. And in group life there must be a leader, in this case the government taking over. Because
if a group without a leader will be chaotic and out of control. For the full life Decentralized impossible to materialize. If it is limited to
decentralized payment or currency, it is still very much reasonable. But if it is fully decentralized in all areas of life, it will bring new problems.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

Anything that is too much is not good. Total freedom or decentralization may be good to hear but once it occurs people would do as they please, and I don't think each individual is responsible enough to even handle their own matter. Imagine being decentralized and a crime or fraud is committed, there will be no law that could govern and handle or even an entity to investigate such event due to being decentralized. Somehow, government still plays a great role on how things are working right now.

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I think unlike what you are probably thinking, there are a lot of people who don't like decentralisation at all, and much prefer their assets and everything in life to have the government involved, have structure, and they don't mind the government taking a look at all of their information.

I think that could very much happen though, we can easily live in a world where decentralisation has taken over and we control everything, but I doubt more then 1 percent of our society would actually like a world where everything is decentralised.

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It's still so hard to see full decentralization. As time goes by, are privacy is dwindling as technology continues to develop further. Even though we have Bitcoin to start, I think it's not enough to defeat the government's control over our privacy. Also, decentralization means there would no governing to the populace which I think would create a lawless world were there is disarray everywhere. Not good don't you think?

I'd say it will take more than Bitcoin to fully decentralized our world if we're to headed that way, we're probably be dead by then.

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Quote from: micalith on October 08, 2019, 06:12:09 PM

Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

Decentralized world would be an utopia society. It would be free of personal ideology and bias. It would be really difficult to achieve this in the earth but could be the only option for colonizing different parts of other planets. The colonizers should be selectively chosen to restrict any extremism and they be judged by their performance and results.

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There are parts that need to be decentralized and some parts to remain centralized.

Like the government should remain centralized so that there will be no chaos. And the internet and personal finances should be decentralized. Pushing a fully decentralized world means everyone will be on their own and there is no control. That will give us more harm than good.

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I also think about it,
actually decentralization will be very easy to get, if the government does not participate in regulating bitcoin, such as complicated regulations, and of course taxes,
if bitcoin can escape from these two things, decentralization can be implemented and fully ours,
but the question is, can these two things be eliminated?

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It is never possible to make the entire world decentralized. As humans as we are, some people will also love and want to be in control of the movement of things and will prefer to have a centralized environment where they are in charge of everything. you think of this, do you think China, USA, Russia and other developed contries will like the idea of making the world decentralized ? There is no way they will.

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Make the world fully decentralized and make chaos. Imagine no people would pay taxes, government without control or tax to your incomes, properties, etc. Then the government will collapse with lack of funds. With no government, there's no one to enforce the law. Then all things will come to a downfall, people won't follow anyone, they'd live in a lawless manner. Don't expect every people has morality to always do what is right, our society ain't a perfect one. In short, it's impossible, or at least don't try to envision it. Centralized systems are there for organization, not only to control people. Negative effects of being centralized only starts with corrupt people and practices.

To summarize, I do not agree with this idea. A decentralized one is a place where no people would follow no one. It's chaotic.

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There can easily be a decentralized world but the question is; will everybody love the idea of making the entire world decentralized ? Once there are people who are solely into the idea of controlling and managing the in and out flow things, they will fight against making the world decentralized. Due to the existence of these people, decentralization will just be a fantasy rather than a reality.

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You cannot decentralize all things. Some things makes sense to be decentralized, because they are too public, not private. A currency is an amazing example, and there was none since bitcoin. Maybe gold before?
I believe governments should be more decentralized...

But companies shouldn`t be decentralized, for example. Some times it is good to find the ones responsible for running things.

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I think some aspects of life are just too hard or not really worth the effort to be decentralized, but there are some parts where it's definitely useful, for example. It's been proven that a fully market economy wouldn't work as well as we think, and the government is definitely needed.

The finance industry - I think there's a world where everyone can totally manage their money, with banks not being as popular as they are.
Internet/ISPs, online shopping, real estate - I reckon this could all be done by cryptocurrencies and made decentralised.

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Most people would actively shun decentralisation. They don't want the hassle or responsibility. They want an easy life and someone to do the hard stuff and moan to when it goes tits up.

Even at this still earliest of phases you have a very, very vocal element who want to chuck what decentralisation there is away in Bitcoin even though if they do the value proposition is nil.

Maybe in future it will be possible to live a life with many more of those principles in play. You'd definitely remain in a microscopic minority.

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Can we truly have a fully decentralized system? For example, we control our own money, properties, internet etc. If we can, how can we achieve this and what obstacles can we face? I want to control my money and I don't want my government to control what I see on the internet. There are ways of overcoming some of these but the whole internet is coming from the ISPs. We may have a satellite(Elon Musk) for internet which makes the decentralization easier for us.

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