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Quote from: nedbert9 on July 17, 2012, 07:44:42 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on July 17, 2012, 07:43:14 PM

With the lower power needed law enforcement will be less likely to confuse your mining farm with a grow op.

Discuss.

Ummm, but what if my excuse for my grow op was the rack of GPU's?

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Quote from: HDSolar on September 03, 2012, 02:23:04 PM

Question, if we are talking about BFL ASIC units they have noted that the power will be the same.

Where did they say that? Their current singles uses ~0.1W/MH. You think they made a 350W coffee ~~warmer~~ boiler?
More likely is that the new single SC will consume about as much power as the old single, perhaps thats what they said? But the old single produces 830MH, the new single SC ~40,000MH.

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As far as the thought of electricity/ GH per sec. BFL's SC line should provide a very high ratio toward a positive. I haven't found any finite articles/datasheets about the specs of the power draw, but I'm sure it will be fractional compared to a similar GH/s machine.

Take the Jalapeno for instance, 3.5 GH/s. Does anyone know the power draw on these? I'm sure it will be below 1000w. Is anyone currently mining at 3.5 GH/s for under 1000w draw? (Serious Question / relevant point)

Now, the first 1000 people that bought into BFL assume they ship, even with the halve coming will make a huge profit for the first, I SAY three months. Once information hits the forums and everyone that didn't want to be the first adopter starts jumping the bandwagon, the TH/S will skyrocket and Bitcoin will level out again.

(3 months is taking the current production time into consideration for a new order to be constructed/tested by BFL and received by purchaser)

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Question, if we are talking about BFL ASIC units they have noted that the power will be the same. So this idea of less power comes from what? I know BFL won't take more power but the new units should be using the same amount (maybe a little less) then their first versions. If I am wrong I would love to know because that would be sweet.

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Quote from: organofcorti on July 23, 2012, 01:27:29 AM

I'll buy an ASIC miner when you can use it as a grow op as well.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Are your miners in a greenhouse ?

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Quote from: organofcorti on July 23, 2012, 01:27:29 AM

I'll buy an ASIC miner when you can use it as a grow op as well.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 08, 2012, 06:37:38 PM

I don't know where you're from but Police can't touch any of your property unless it is directly related to the crime their kicking your door in for....

I actually don't know of a single country for which that is true. Wink

In the US, they can touch all of your property (on the premises) while searching for things that are related.
As far as outside the US, ask Kim DotCom of Megaupload what the cops can't take.

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I don't know where you're from but Police can't touch any of your property unless it is directly related to the crime their kicking your door in for....

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 06, 2012, 10:40:51 AM

I would prefer to have LE confuse my rigs for a grow op. Anything that makes LE feel dumb is A okay in my books...

Only until you realize you're losing hundreds/thousands of dollars a day because they hauled off all your stuff...

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Quote from: niko on August 06, 2012, 09:50:19 AM

Quote from: racerguy on August 06, 2012, 05:01:19 AM

Electricity will eventually be the main factor in profit calculations just the same as it is now with gpu's, though it will take some time for miners to get the amount of hardware needed for electricity to be a factor again.

Good point, but the cost of hardware may prevent some miners from growing to that point, or it may take a really long time (implying lots of uncertainty).

If BFL really is making an ASIC, when they've first handed over the cash to start initial production, they will have every economic incentive to spit out the ASICs at increasingly lower prices. They've already spent all their time working hard on building the ASIC and setting up production, there would be no reason for them to not begin selling these devices at huge discounts. The only disincentive would be losing loyal customers, who might feel back stabbed helping BFL actually make money on this, only to see everyone else getting ASICs at 10% of their original price.

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I am just being silly....

I would prefer to have LE confuse my rigs for a grow op. Anything that makes LE feel dumb is A okay in my books...

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on August 06, 2012, 09:51:40 AM

Here we go counting chickens before they hatch.....

Yes, that's why this is in the chicken speculation board.

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Here we go counting chickens before they hatch.....

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Quote from: racerguy on August 06, 2012, 05:01:19 AM

Electricity will eventually be the main factor in profit calculations just the same as it is now with gpu's, though it will take some time for miners to get the amount of hardware needed for electricity to be a factor again.

Good point, but the cost of hardware may prevent some miners from growing to that point, or it may take a really long time (implying lots of uncertainty).

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Electricity will eventually be the main factor in profit calculations just the same as it is now with gpu's, though it will take some time for miners to get the amount of hardware needed for electricity to be a factor again.

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Quote from: organofcorti on July 23, 2012, 01:27:29 AM

I'll buy an ASIC miner when you can use it as a grow op as well.

You could do that by placing a glass dome over the coffee warmer or your SC Grin

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I'll buy an ASIC miner when you can use it as a grow op as well.

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Quote from: niko on July 22, 2012, 07:00:55 PM

The limiting factor becomes the price of hardware, not the electricity.

Thats not much of a limiting factor, as ASICs are incredibly cheap to produce, variable cost of the chip itself is almost zero. Price will be determined by demand, which will follow price/difficulty as there is no other application for the asic to generate demand and maintain higher prices. Its not very difficult to predict where price/difficulty is headed. Grue is correct, it will take a while, particularly if no competitor emerges, but in the long run, mining will once again be a matter of electricity cost.

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The limiting factor becomes the price of hardware, not the electricity.

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^ They will surely need to do some testing. They might do it on the test chain though. If they don't, we'll definitely see the resulting spike in hash rate (and difficulty).

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Quote from: runeks on July 19, 2012, 08:25:39 AM

Good question. If we assume efficiency of a custom ASIC is 10x that of an FPGA, then mining efficiency (bitcoins mined per amount of energy spent) for a custom ASIC will be exactly the same as that of an FPGA, if difficulty rises by a factor of 10. This, of course, won't happen all at once, but it might be the reason BFL is selling these units so cheaply: they've done the math, and the math ain't promising (if you're a miner). For BFL it's a ~~gold~~bitcoin mine.

Maybe they get the ASICs in September (and the devices done) and let them rum for 4 weeks till october for 'testing'. But you are right, in the long run, they will make more money selling mining hardware.

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Quote from: grue on July 18, 2012, 11:20:17 AM

prohint: if everybody had ASICs, wouldn't the difficulty be very high? And wouldn't that mean you need more ASICs (and more energy) to get the same amount of bitcoins? And wouldn't that mean more heat? just saying.

I think this is more of a pro-question.

Good question. If we assume efficiency of a custom ASIC is 10x that of an FPGA, then mining efficiency (bitcoins mined per amount of energy spent) for a custom ASIC will be exactly the same as that of an FPGA, if difficulty rises by a factor of 10. This, of course, won't happen all at once, but it might be the reason BFL is selling these units so cheaply: they've done the math, and the math ain't promising (if you're a miner). For BFL it's a ~~gold~~bitcoin mine.

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Quote from: kjlimo on July 18, 2012, 11:46:16 AM

Quote from: grue on July 18, 2012, 11:20:17 AM

prohint: if everybody had ASICs, wouldn't the difficulty be very high? And wouldn't that mean you need more ASICs (and more energy) to get the same amount of bitcoins? And wouldn't that mean more heat? just saying.

but not everyone will have ASICs... and it won't be profitable for people to buy ASICs at some point where we'll be using less electricity for the same amount of bitcoins b/c for every 40 FPGAs or GPUs shutdown, only one ASIC will be purchased/turned on.

not very specific on the numbers, but I think that's true. However, someone with more time on their hands can do the math.

I'm off the eat pasta!

that will only be during the transition, like from cpu -> gpu. once the majority switched over, the benefits will be lost.

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Quote from: grue on July 18, 2012, 11:20:17 AM

prohint: if everybody had ASICs, wouldn't the difficulty be very high? And wouldn't that mean you need more ASICs (and more energy) to get the same amount of bitcoins? And wouldn't that mean more heat? just saying.

but not everyone will have ASICs... and it won't be profitable for people to buy ASICs at some point where we'll be using less electricity for the same amount of bitcoins b/c for every 40 FPGAs or GPUs shutdown, only one ASIC will be purchased/turned on.

not very specific on the numbers, but I think that's true. However, someone with more time on their hands can do the math.

I'm off the eat pasta!

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prohint: if everybody had ASICs, wouldn't the difficulty be very high? And wouldn't that mean you need more ASICs (and more energy) to get the same amount of bitcoins? And wouldn't that mean more heat? just saying.

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Lawl. This could go both ways. Depending upon which side of the law you are on. Wink

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on July 17, 2012, 07:43:14 PM

With the lower power needed law enforcement will be less likely to confuse your mining farm with a grow op.

Discuss.

Ummm, but what if my excuse for my grow op was the rack of GPU's?

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With the lower power needed law enforcement will be less likely to confuse your mining farm with a grow op.

Discuss.

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