A place to dispute and settle cases about various matters

cathoderay

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Quote from: dogie on March 30, 2015, 02:51:04 AM

Well you end up seeing the threads like the "dogie" thread, they refuse to provide evidence to their claims or even detail what the claims are and I can't reverse force them. That's what the reverse threads would allow - self vindication.

There is plenty of evidence provided by various members - you just choose to ignore it & elude every question asked, as usual.

Latest example:

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And your million dollar business @ 13?.......please tell.

There is absolutely nothing good that can come from me telling you that.

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Quote from: koshgel on March 30, 2015, 01:48:17 AM

Meta is good enough for community thoughts/decisions.

A separate board besides scam accusations would not work efficiently

Well you end up seeing the threads like the "dogie" thread, they refuse to provide evidence to their claims or even detail what the claims are and I can't reverse force them. That's what the reverse threads would allow - self vindication.

koshgel

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Meta is good enough for community thoughts/decisions.

A separate board besides scam accusations would not work efficiently

cryptopaths

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I came up with a similar idea a while ago but it was denied. I guess we will just have to contend with an oligarchy ruling the trust system for the time being.

Vod

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on March 27, 2015, 12:32:13 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 27, 2015, 12:25:08 PM

Why would we need due process or courts in a Theymostatorship?

Come on, don't act like a kid BE an adult and stop to spam (because Vod is in the defaul trust and you are not in that list).
Peace and love

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He's fairly transparent, isn't he? Wink

TECSHARE

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on March 27, 2015, 12:32:13 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 27, 2015, 12:25:08 PM

Why would we need due process or courts in a Theymostatorship?

Come on, don't act like a kid BE an adult and stop to spam (because Vod is in the defaul trust and you are not in that list).
Peace and love

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You can't even form a complete sentence and I am a kid?

Quote from Abyrness81 from a pm in an escrow I provided: "I'm not acting like a children , I only changed my thought. "
stop following me around.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on March 27, 2015, 12:25:08 PM

Why would we need due process or courts in a Theymostatorship?

Come on, don't act like a kid BE an adult and stop to spam (because Vod is in the defaul trust and you are not in that list).
Peace and love

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TECSHARE

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Why would we need due process or courts in a Theymostatorship?

dogie

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Quote from: Grand_Voyageur on March 23, 2015, 01:41:40 AM

What you are asking is just the thing Scam Accusations threads are designed for

No its not, at all. Currently if I say you attack old ladies at night, and leave it like that.... you can't force me to provide evidence. I can just keep repeating it again and again in random threads. I'm not opening a scam accusation against you - why would I, I made it up. And so you don't have a venue to prove your innocence.

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Quote from: dogie on March 20, 2015, 10:38:50 PM

I think there is a case for a subforum which is like reverse scam accusations. If people are accused with things, they can create a place for the accusers to present any evidence they have. If they can't or it turns out to be obviously bogus, then the accused can be vindicated. At the moment it seems weird for a user to open a scam accusation against themselves.

I'm used to be against a proliferation of threads to deal with the same issue. I think having a reverse scam accusation would only lead to an increased burden on users doing their homework before going ahead with a trade due to having to check more threads. What you are asking is just the thing Scam Accusations threads are designed for. Actually people posting in Scam Accusation should provide evidences to support their claims (see the quoted escrow.ms post from Scam Report Format (Use it to make scam reports properly) thread), just like the accused have to do to clear their name (if not guilty).

Quote from: escrow.ms on July 21, 2013, 12:28:05 PM

Scam Report Format

Code:

[b][color=black]What happened:: [/color][/b]

[b][color=black]Scammers Profile Link: [/color][/b]

[b][color=black]Reference Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Amount Scammed: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Payment Method: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Proof of Payment: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]PM/Chat Logs: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Additional Notes: [/color][/b]

Copy and paste it in new thread then fill all data.

Scam report example:

What happened::
I saw escrow.ms's lolipop thread 4 days ago and placed a order for 1000 lolipops. After I sent him payment, he just went offline and never came back. I think he's a big liar and a scam artist. Stay away from him.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/escrowms-76380

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-1000-lolipops-for-2-bitcoins-260070

Amount Scammed: 2 BTC/$176.40
Payment Method: Bitcoins
Proof of Payment:
http://blockchain.info/tx/b80f35cebae98fcbd8eb0e2eaea6def41f90ad01086ad830ba23094ac3c3b165

PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/8UbLVSc.png
Additional Notes: I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.

Some Tips

Search about the scammer first, use google to search for his/her details, other forum profiles, past scam reports and link to them in your scam report.
Always try to provide chat/PM logs as a screenshot if it's possible.
Use sites like https://imgur.com to upload images and https://pastebin.com or http://pastie.org for text based chat logs, although these may not be treated as good proof due to possible fakes.
Make sure to provide as much as info you have, like the payment address, instant messenger ID's, etc.
Make sure to leave negative feedback on the scammers profile and add your scam report as a reference link.

Use escrow and be safe.

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Quote from: dogie on March 20, 2015, 10:38:50 PM

I think there is a case for a subforum which is like reverse scam accusations. If people are accused with things, they can create a place for the accusers to present any evidence they have. If they can't or it turns out to be obviously bogus, then the accused can be vindicated. At the moment it seems weird for a user to open a scam accusation against themselves.

dogie's reply manages to phrase this better than I could. I just noticed it too, I'm bumping this topic hoping to spark some more discussion.

dogie

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I think there is a case for a subforum which is like reverse scam accusations. If people are accused with things, they can create a place for the accusers to present any evidence they have. If they can't or it turns out to be obviously bogus, then the accused can be vindicated. At the moment it seems weird for a user to open a scam accusation against themselves.

EcuaMobi

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alani123 are you suggesting just a board to discuss this so people get an idea of what's happening and post opinions? Or something like an actual biding poll?
Either way it'd be too hard to control this. Something like the scam accusations board would be the most we could get but then it wouldn't be too useful to create a new board just for this.

mufa23

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I'd fight Gandhi.

Quote from: alani123 on March 20, 2015, 09:24:24 PM

why not a board that would act as a community court?

Because it wouldn't work.

Superhitech

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Sounds like a good idea, except for the fact that most of the people complaining about abused trust are just hurt about getting negative trust. If someone abuses default trust, theymos usually removes them off default trust.

Most people on default trust usually provide good reasons for giving the negative trust.

In my opinion, everybody on default trust should have an "appeal to remove negative trust given" thread like Vod's:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/want-to-get-your-negative-trust-removed-887515

alani123

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We already have a scam accusation board, why not a board that would act as a community court? Such posts are created in various boards, why not contain them in one?

Also given that the trust system is not moderated and there's no intention to moderate it, I think that it would be fitting for appeals to be posted there. Surely this way people would feel more comfortable to publicly complain if they feel like a trust rating given by a trusted member is a bit too harsh or doesn't contain a reference that proves the claims.

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