Topic: A request to Blazed (and others who are in plan to recruit more DT members) (Read 1469 times)

Agreed! Vod should not be grouped here.

You are wrong about me bozo.  I don't have any competitors on this forum.  :/

Keep fighting the good fight Thule.

Thanks my boy!commended your bravery thePharmacist,i am no spammer nor scammer.Lets hope that those spammers wont rank here!

Stop ass licking.
He abuses the trust system and you try to justify it with longer sentences ?
Really ?Do you have no back to stand your ground.

Tell him directly you fucking asshole abused the trust system and had no reason to give me negativ feedback.
Maybe next time somebody is going to justify to get negativ feedback because his nick begins with an A instead a B

woah,thats nice i should wait for my turn to get my trust back.I have been tagged for posting 3rd world generic shitpost but i dont understand what he meant by that?? But the fact that the trust system is meant to be given to those scammers,he had given me without further explanation,I didnt scam nor try to.I am not a native speaker but i can write constructive sentences if i wanted to.I should write more complex and longer sentences if thats what he wants.

There are 50 plus people from collectibles who talk off forumsnd IRL many of us have met each other.. would it be a massive surprise if we actually read each other's posts and gave them points?

Thank you ThePharmacist for being considerate.
Dont worry i will do my best not to post low quality contents from now on.

I wish i have more sMERITS to give
I have commended you as a Default Trust.,you have my trust back.

I doubt the merit system will work at all with no control.Merit is basicly a reputation system if i understand it correctly.
It has been used so many times on diffrent boards and it always was abused after certain amount of time.

First the circles exchanging themself merit.Since the staff has no time for scammers i doubt staff will have time to check logs who is participating in such circles.
Second mostly higher ranked users got more merit power than average users which will grow exponencially.
Means after certain time a simple merit like from a high ranked member could be worth like 20-50 normal members.
Thats not decentralisation of power which was the main idea of this board.

Its clearly the attempt to take full controll by a small group which destroyes everyone who won't consent their BS.

Using this kind of system will just attract more spammers to build trusted accounts and start services.It has been proven on each other messageboard even on heavy moderated ones.


What is also funny if you check my and from many other people negativ trust feedbacks and attacks on our threads when calling somebody out you can clearly see that all these people are connected togther.

Just open their trust feedback and merit and you will instantly see that they are in the exchange circle.The abuse of merit has already started

WHAT A COINCIDENCE

here another one of their circle

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=313016


It seems they love each other and upvote each crap what a coincidence......of course no abuse

Thepharmacist might, but I’d much prefer if Lauda would kindly look over the mountain of neg trust he left with zero evidence.

Claiming all of something is a “scam” and taking it upon yourself to ruin the ability for members to join campaigns or take part in one discussion is wrong.



Not to mention the unlikelyhood of neg trust users getting merit, and it’s pretty obvious this is a massive abuse of the trust system

Im waiting for thepharmacist's neutralization of his red trust list.Id hope he has the balls to that,as he already said he will but it will take sometime because there are thousands in his list including me.

seems like you all enjoy at the same time during 11 minutes and when checking the post which got merit ,it's a single word "butthead" seems very legit.Great quality post you like.You are right you can read something like that only from your group.
You fuckers are clearly scammers trying to abuse the system and talking bullshit that you like only posts from the other morons.

If somebody else would post something stupid like you did he would have already -50 trust.

You deserve to get insta banned for being such an asshole and trying to feed the community with your bullshit which a 5 year could create a better one




Don't try to cover your abuse behind garbage post.
Your trust feedback is also garbage which needs to be eliminated.
Your abuse in the small group is the biggest garbage here which needs to be eliminated.

You want to kill gargebage post? There are other possibilities way more effectiv than the junk you and your group are doing basicly for self benefits


It's also funny how you changed your language ....i guess because here are some high ranked members reading which are not amused with your group



@Lauda

You posted at my trust feedback "scam" .
I'm running a legit company and i'm demanding proof that i scammed or was going to scam someone since you caused me big harm.

Since i know there never was a scam as i never scammed somebody or have the need to scam somebody i will demand an offical apolagy for that false accuse (archived already) which can be seen by everyone
or if you deny to do it that the staff should take actions against you for abusing your power and discrediting me publicly with the word scam without having any proof at all



And two more points which are going to kill the abuse of Lauda and his/her group

At forums guideline/terms which was posted by a global mod of this forum you can read


If you read it carefully you see its saying selling accounts is being allowed !!!!
So all the negativ feedback they provided is basicly against the forum rules since its allowed


I really love the old board and its view.
The mods at that time tried to prevent exectly what that fucking abusiv scammer group is doing

Maybe its time to get back to routes and add smart solutions to eliminate gargabe but first of all that group

@mprep your guideline/terms is just awesome

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

Dude, what's up with all this merit-giving hate?  

The whole thing is that you give merit points to the posts you like, correct?  Well, the only posts I enjoy reading are from the small circle of people on bitcointalk that I respect--in general, and that isn't to say I won't give out any merit to noobs.  I just haven't yet.  I've had my ass kicked with the flu for about 6 days now and haven't been doing much reading lately.  

I'm starting to really like the merit system here, because I'm seeing a lot of the shitposters complaining about it.  Definitely a good move from Theymos.  

Sorry if you think I'm abusing the system, but apparently you (and a lot of others) don't see the problem as clearly as I do.  Bitcointalk has become near unusable because of all the garbage posts, which are all motivated by sig campaigns.  That's the real problem.

A great example a guy registering at BCT trying to find terms and all guidelines who can't find any info if buying accounts are prohibited creates a thread to make sure he makes no mistake
and simply asks if its allowed at this board to buy accounts.

Instant reply with negativ feedbacks and scam accusations from these idiots.
Even he explained himself that he clearly didn't wrote that he wants to buy any account but just asked if its allowed since he can't find any info in terms and guildelands these losers Lauda,
The Pharmacist and TMAN keeped defending their decission and attacking him that they won't take any feedback back which was already given.



If you have such people on top of that board you can basicly say goodbye to the quality

and more important you must be blind not seeing its being abused for own beneficial reasons

With these people the board is going to lose more creditibility

I know a lot of people who are pissed about your massiv abuse and will give you shortly a massiv amount of negativ feedback for your past actions.
Will love to see if you are going to ban yourself from projects with your negativ feedback.
But i guess you will quickly contact your slap dogs to add new trust points to your account like you are doing it already with merit.

The first member who should be banned and kicked out is you and nobody else.
You are the biggest fraudster here and how many legit accounts you destroyed i'm not even able to count anymore.

Adding negativ rating for something what you are doing yourself and defending its legit.
Just proofs that BCT has no clear line and was/is and still will be abused by that small group if nothing changes

People stopped posting quality stuff because of these asshole who are abusing massivly their power and once someone honest comes (even legenadary) he will be instantly discredited to -200 points to shut his mouth so you can keep abusing.


I will make everything public about Lauda.The great thing is that BCT is not the only forum on the planet and when posting all that info on the other 299 crypto messageboards people will be aware what shit here is going on and that it won't change before your clean these abusiv people out

Some heavy abusiv members which should be banned for their past action


Lauda
The Pharmacist
TMAN
actmyname
Vod

There are some more people benefiting from that group but it seems they are holding it more on distance seeing the massiv abuse the group is creating and just don't want to be recognised with it


Basicly all in the same gang abusing massivly trust system and destroying competitors or people exposing them.

They also already started to abuse Merit System.Just have a look at Lauda's merit logs and you will see the same circle giving themself merit points


These are the real scammers who deserve to get banned for discrediting and destroying legit people


They claim they want to enforce project to not accept negativ rated members but themself adding ratings they have no problem with it.
Asking myself if they have a problem with it if everyone is going to start doing it.
Only watching for their own fucking benefit and nothing more

Best of all they claim circle giving merits is legit because there is no term/rule which is denying it.
However they have no problem at all giving negativ feedback and calling people scammers for actions which are also not against forum terms/rules.

A group of assholes who only look for their own advantage and nothing more abusing massivly their trust power and nothing more.
Am really asking myself how a messagboard like BCT can keep these scammers

Thank pharmacist for your reconsiderations, we have learn our lesson and the neutral trust you promised will be just OK, thanks once again we will be waiting for your feedback.

That's not effective unless you can force all managers to use that list.

They did not. They literally did not.

That is not something that I believe theymos would implement.

How nice would it be if all shitposters would have their Merit and sMerit reset to 0? That would put all of them back to Jr. Member, and they'd have to post quality to level up, just like any other Newbie now.

Moved them to aTriz's thread. I'll sort out the details later but for now it's not great for copying (it's scraped from the trust list and hasn't been cleaned up yet—I'll make it username-only later)

I don't think there's a rush

Let's hope it's just temporary, and it worked as a warning for most of them

Thats very good to hear that,you deserved to have a commendation for being brave and these shitposters deserved a second chance.

OK, I can do that but it'll take quite some time.  Right now I just have a phone, but I'll start changing the negs to neutrals tomorrow.   I'm going to assume theymos will be OK with that.  I know the shitposters will be throwing a victory parade. 

You may consider leaving neutral instead. Just to keep track. There's hope there will be some changes to fight low-quality posts and we could re-use your work.
We may be able to add them to SMAS and enforce it, tag them as spammers or other solution.

Oh yeah?but thanks in advance i should have given you my sMERIT for that.

I tried to help, as did actmyname and Blazed.  At least we got a fired-up discussion going and pissed off a lot of shitposters.  I'll be removing my feedbacks, but it'll take some time to do so.

Actually the spammers will no longer be able to rank up anymore...

I think this is probably a good time to take of the wannabe mods off your trust list if they haven’t been already.

Yep... I assume the spammers will be happy once again 

This answers your question:

I wouldn't say great, but definitely at least several times better than it is now. The guidelines are very outdated.

That was 5 years ago before spam was like this. Back in 2013 the forum was great and everyone enjoyed using it.

That's wrong to say ...You really shouldn't overthink what stance theymos has on the situation...If you think whatever you are doing is right,please continue to do so without having other's opinions influencing you.I believe you will continue giving the feedback even if you're dropped from the DT ?

Are you doing it for attention? do you want your name to be known in this forum that much? If so you're doing great.


Are you indicating that we should lessen the new user in here? Because it looks like you're saying that new users made bitcoin discussion worse, it is a free forum and we can posts anything that is not against the rules.

The forum is getting some attention isn't that great? Moderators are making a wider community, that is the reason why they made the marketplace and other childboards for a reason. It is not against the rules if we wanted to gain profit by participating in this forum.

I know and I understand that you wanted to clean the forum but you should not throw users a negative trust just so you can destroy their status in this forum because I have been here for years and I don't think you're doing the right thing because you cannot change anything by destroying other users status.

What you want is not to change the current situation of the forum because I can see what you're doing is for yourself. I hope you will understand.


And now you're more superior than moderators? Seriously? You think too much of yourself, stop what you're doing you're not helping you just making it worse.

You're giving users a red trust now the forum looks more shit! You think that the forum will improve because you give negative trust to users because of spamming?
Look at the forum now with you giving us negative trust the forum looks unreliable. If there is lots of negative trust place on various users do you think the forum can still be trusted if the users have some trust issues?

For you we have the negative trust because of spamming but for others we are more likely to be a scammer or a user who abuse other user.

Please reconsider what you've done.

I don't trust you because you're spamming on the forum. If you are making this place worse, then why would I have anything above contempt for you?

Yes.

And they are doing a pitiful job, honestly. Even if they are putting out an effort, there's just too much to deal with.

So then improve your post quality. It's not permanent if you're willing to show some effort!

What? The only childish thing is the way that everyone is reacting to the negative feedback. I have outlined a perfectly reasonable way to change the negative to a neutral: make better posts.

No. I don't. I think it's unfair how people who have no care for the forum are being enabled to earn money even though they're shoveling mountains of shit onto the grave that holds the quality of the boards.

Compare the quality of Bitcoin Discussion now vs. years ago.

I have been given a red trust by you, and for me that isn't right, I know I should be more considerable about the quality of my posts but what does that do with trust? What I know is that negative trust is being placed for a user who has a history of scamming or inequality in regards of cryptocurrencies.

Don't you think it is too much for you to clean the forum? It was not your job to clean the forum, our moderators are the one that handles this type of issue, I never scam and always follows rules as indicated, and because you gave me a red trust now I look like one of the scammers and cannot be trusted.

Base on your profile you're still a child and you act like one, each user in here is part of the economy so treat them right and with all respect.

Your job is to maintain equality in this forum and dont you think you're the one who is being unfair?

Perfect example of Abusive guy  .

When was I added to DT? You tell me what you think and I'll give you the actual answer.

And yeah, I definitely added more feedback since then.

I agree with you OgNasty. theymos already stated DO NOT rate people based on the quality of their post. This is a RULE as far as i'm concerned.  Blazed is a decent guy i think he will take your route. It's the right thing to do.

I will, of course, do whatever theymos says.  If he doesn't want this sort of feedback left, I'll delete it all or be banned.  And you won't see me bitching about it either.  

Whatever happens, it sure would be nice to get a solution from the man who runs bitcointalk.  If nothing else, we've put the spotlight on how bad the shitposting situation is.

OgNasty, I respect your decision fully.

theymos has already given his guidance.  I believe the responsibility of DT users such as myself and Blazed would be to exclude users who engage in this behavior.  I have done so.  Blazed has done the opposite. 

I think DT users such as yourself Ognasty and Blazed will have to pressure him to get a clear answer on this.  You 2 users are at the top of the DT food chain and i think only users with your status are capable of getting him to crack under pressure. It would be nice to hear his Final view on the matter.

If his reply is the below, what would be your response? 

You are literally, objectively, in every conceivable way, a sad-little scammer. Therefore, it does not apply.

This is literally exactly what I am referring to above...

FTFY.

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All you really care about is your account farming and account trading business. Pretending that it is otherwise isn't working as it used to, so suck it up buttercup.

I think you are confused about the meaning of “decentralized”. There are thousands if not millions of people who use the forum. There are 12 who are directly trusted by default trust. To make matters worse, there are only a small handful of people who unilaterally give out negative ratings on their own accord, without any input from the community, who brushes off any criticism as being given by “scammers” have zero ownership interest in the forum and were in no way selected by the community.

You may be competition in unmanaged campaigns to other shitposters, but not to the user that gave you the rating.

Actually I have been given red trust (I never join signatures campaign tho, this was an exception).

Lutpin is in ace. Hilarious and co has his main account in coinroll and alt in chipmixer although he is selling his avatar space for both accounts.

Problem here is, the people they tag for being shitposters are not competition for the high paying hero slots that the new dt member's are after. They usually tag senior and below members and users that have spammy posts which would have never made it in the campaigns anyways.

Those were my altcoin campaigns 

Adding to what lauda said, she won't be getting any extra money. The manager would get a set amount of payment and not any extra for tagging people. In fact she's wasting her own time tagging accounts.

I believe that if you let them do what they want, as already shown, that the infestation will be much greater.

I have no problem tagging projects who employ corrupt managers / do not employ managers / accept managers or users with negative ratings.

Or that shitcampaigns will start accepting people with negative trust, thus making the work useless.

When they are tagged, More noob accounts will post crap to rank up and join again, This will worsen the situation.

Lies. I am not doing anything that you've claimed, nor does me tagging anyone have any affect on either endeavor. In fact, Lutpin is part of ACE. You would have known this had you not been focused on your ICO bumping services.

No. They  do not compete with the monkeys that have been tagged. All they have to do is ask for a place and they would receive it pretty much anywhere.

Read above.

You are a lying troll. I was a newcommer to DT at the time.

Says the dormant alt account of someone who got tagged for shady shit.

Would it change anything if I were to leave the signature campaign? Not really. You're kind of trying to fish for moot points here.

Also, I tagged a shitload of accounts before I was put into DT2. I'm not sure why, then, you would think that the reason I'm doing this is to secure spots in signature campaigns.

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Also, radical problems require radical changes. It's unfortunate that we don't have much heavier moderation because otherwise a lot of spam would be cleared up (and we would finally lock those spam megathreads).

Sorry, got confused with some other lender. Edited OP.

I am here talking about the potential risk.

I decided to start this thread after noticing some similar behavior among these members which is not being observed with rest of DT members.

Here is one solid supporting statement from DT1:

DT1:
    theymos (1)
    HostFat (1)
    dooglus (1)
    Maged (1)
    dserrano5 (1)
    OgNasty (1)
    Tomatocage (1)
    SaltySpitoon (1)
    philipma1957 (1)
    Cyrus (1)
    Blazed (1)
    hilariousandco (1)
    OldScammerTag (1)

It is very decentralized. Don't like someone's ratings? Just give them a tilde (~), and their ratings won't appear as trusted. Nothing forces you to use the DefaultTrust list. Do you propose the forum starts an ICO and moves the trust system into some ETH token? /s


actmyname never had a lending service IIRC, unless it was before I was very active in the lending section. Also, you do realize that almost everyone tagged would be ineligible to join all of the good campaigns? If it's proven that they are doing it for personal benefit, I'm sure Blazed or other DT1 members would be happy to exclude them. Please list some of their alt accounts with solid proof and not just "oh yeah, they both live in Alberta!!!!! alts 100% confirmed!!!!!". Negative trust doesn't make your account unusable. You can still post, trade, do whatever.

Why this request to Blazed
I understand the recent DT inclusions were done due to Blazed's recommendation.

The problem
If we notice most of the DT members are not competing with rest of forum members for selling their signature and avatar spaces.

For example,
hilariousandco and Lutpin are not competing for earning opportunity but accepting offers to show advertisements.
Lauda is intensively looking for earning opportunity in the name of ACE and ALU.

The recent DT members The Pharmacist and actmyname are still competing with rest of forum members for selling their avatar and signature spaces.

(actmyname was in bitsler camp for more than one year and The Pharmacist always competes in Yahoo's altcoin camps.)

Now, after they have the power to disqualify any forum members to lessen the completion to get slots, how we can believe that they will not misuse their DT power ?

(I assume these people must have tons of alt accounts and they want to grab more slots as much as possible)

Until Lauda started managing bitmixer camp, it (the cat) never bothered about account dealing nor shit posting even it was a staff and DT member for years. Why suddenly started giving neg trust to 1000s of accounts along with competing with rest of forum members to earn more.

The clear breach of trust system guidelines for personal benefits

As per theymos' guidelines on trust system, a feedback should not be based on quality of posts.


But these people are providing rating only based on quality of posts whereas "Report to moderator' option is available everywhere or SMAS black-listing also an option against quality of posting.


The request
Please include the members into DT who are not into a situation where they will not misuse their power. When a DT member's behaviors is changing, please monitor them closely.