Topic: A Response to Illiterate and False Accusations (RIFA) (Read 302 times)

Your concept seems like a broken pyramid.
You posted a virtual office as your location.
Youre using domainsbyproxy but not cloudflare on a auction platform with cryptocurrency.


Sign a wallet with funds you plan to match our contribution for proofs and easier participation?
This would address main concerns for most users.
If you can establish credibility with this it might help a lot .
the other things are "fixable" but could be a problem for yourself and users (get cloudflare!)

Actually they do, e.g. https://www.bankmillennium.pl/corporate/products/day-to-day-service/accounts-and-deposits/trust-and-escrow-accounts
https://www.mbank.pl/msp-korporacje/obsluga-biezaca/rachunki/rachunek-zastrzezony-escrow/
http://www.citibank.pl/poland/corporate/english/escrow-account.htm

Then there are also letters of credit which are a similar but different thing.

Um, what did you expect?

Almost every single no mark who arrives here making loud claims is a scammer. Non scammers are in a microscopic minority.

That's the reality. Deal with it and earn the trust you so loudly seem to be demanding. If you feel you somehow deserve it then that's great. Don't get arsey if no one feels the same way. Turn opinion around with your actions.

"It depends" I think it's good to learn not to let things online get to you too much. I've had my fair share, see this story filled with accusations. I thought it was worth a laugh, so I Merited the post.

Many people learned the hard way not to trust people.

An escrow is someone with a proven track record. You can't start out and say you're an escrow.

Banks aren't going to help you if your internet order doesn't get delivered. Banks don't offer escrow services.

I've seen countless great offers on this forum that gave away Bitcoin, but it's more likely nowadays to see scammers than freebies. As for your offer: I only noticed your topics when there were several threads already, and my first impression was indeed that you asked many people to become VIP for 0.01 BTC to get 0.02 BTC. It took me a while to figure out this offer was only meant for one person, which makes it sound a lot less like a ponzi.

I'm always sincere and didn't take anything personal.

That was quite obvious

I'd say: take a break, enjoy your weekend, and come back when you're refreshed. There's a lot to read here, but as a summary, I can already tell you that there are many times more scams than legit offers. Trust takes time, and trust is earned slowly. But you can lose it very quickly.

What if the seller doesn't deliver?

Go away won't you. You guys are like mindless parrots. IT'S BEEN DONE! You want to use a site or build one that uses third parties--good luck to you. That is not our plan. What we are building isn't nearly as fantastic as you guys insinuate.

Yet again I will repeat:

At our site, no 3rd party payment or conversion systems, downloads, platform installs, special wallets, etc. are required. We use only Peer to Peer transactions as envisioned by Satoshi Nakamoto. After all, is this is not how Bitcoin was intended to be used?

If you have no issues paying such amount as you just said here its just 0.01BTC, you should just hire an escrow and you can stop worrying all about the accusation. Name calling will worsen the marketing of the business you promote. Everyone will see this post you did and will be discourage to make deal with your good company. Hiring an escrow has become a norm here and users doesn't have issues with it.

I've tried and no matter what stance we take someone has an issue with it. See there you go again--"name calling is very common for scammers after being called out." It is also pretty common for someone that is honest to get pissed off at being accused, without any proof, of being dishonest as well, is it not?

It's just extremely frustrating. We are trying to establish a Peer to Peer Bitcoin Auction site, but people are so accustomed to scammers that the first response is to paint us with that same brush and I know it's not a good practice to resort to name calling or swearing but I am only human. As I stated, those words were meant only for the accusers and detractors and I stand behind them. Sure maybe we could use an escrow service or whatever, but that has already been done has it not? We are trying to build a community of honest people using only Peer to Peer transactions. Why risk everything to a third party? Maybe people still prefer that and that's why the banksters continue thriving.

I for one have zero trust in exchanges (haven't investigated escrow services much at all to be honest but we don't really need one as we will fulfill that role internally). I had planned to buy a bunch of bitcoin back in 2013, but to be honest I couldn't really figure out exactly how to go about that. I had signed up with Mt. Gox but never made a purchase. I don't know whether I'm glad that I didn't or not at this point. Would I still even have any bitcoin had I bought some and kept it in the exchange? I didn't know about hardware wallets then and not sure if they even existed then. But rather than keep one's bitcoin in a 'bank,' why not keep it in your own wallet? That is what we promote and that is our plan and we will not change it. If it fails it fails, if not great.

Again, as it relates to our offer: do people really expect reward with no expenditure of action or risk? That is not how life works.

If you were sincerely trying to help, thank you. If you got caught undeservedly in a rage of crossfire, I apologize.

I have let this all get to me more than I should have, but I really didn't expect such an attack. We will not be making anymore such offers here. I'm tempted to detract the current offer, but I will let it stand just for kicks.

Let's summarize:
Name calling is very common for scammers after being called out.
If you're running a serious business: stay friendly! Who cares what someone on the internet says about you? Have some dignity.

The thing is: I was trying to help you here! I'm all for helping new users, but only if I believe they have good intentions.

First: you're posting this on the wrong board, you should move (bottom-left) it to the Reputation board.

Don't you think we've seen it all hundreds of times already? You can't just go ask people to trust you when you're asking for an irreversible payment, trust has to be earned. Earn it, and you'll do great here!

I'll make you a deal: how about you give 0.02BTC first, and I'll buy your VIP membership afterwards (assuming it doesn't require KYC or anything else that compromises my identity). To use your own words "but goddammit it's .02 BTC".

If not, well, let's say I understand the scepticism.
Update: I see you've already done this. The thing is: paying someone 0.01 once doesn't make anyone else trust you. I'm in doubt: if you're trying to build a legit business (read Patatas' post), then your approach is totally wrong because it looks like something many ponzi scammers have done. If you're legit, you should seriously reconsider your approach on this forum.
And if you're not legit, well, then you're right on track to not earn any trust.

Note: paying me does not buy my loyalty, nor a positive review. I'll only state facts.

Contact a trusted e-scrow here on bitcointalk and let them hold all the Bitcoin you plan to "give away", then you will have no issues at all. I can imagine you'll find excuses to not do this though. Hence, the flood of accusations since at any given time you can stop "re-imbursing" VIP payments.

If you are reading this you may or may not know that we are fairly new here at bitcointalk. We are also a fairly new Bitcoin Auction site. In addition to working on redesigning our website, which at this point is functional, but admittedly somewhat sophomoric, we are trying to increase our membership through free offers and giveaways, etc. Amazingly, but somewhat understandable, we constantly find ourselves accused of underhandedness. For God's sake you can't give Bitcoin away it seems without being accused of long-con plans or dastardly schemes or whatever. It gets really old and is really pretty infantile.

Anyway, we currently have a standing offer to pay someone .02 BTC if they will simply purchase a VIP membership with us which costs .01 BTC. This results in a net .01 BTC for the taker. For some that either don't have the ability to, or just won't take the time to, read, this is apparently akin to some sort of conspiratorial rocket science, but for us it seems fairly simple: you trust us in buying a VIP membership which will temporarily set you back .01 BTC, and we will then send you .02 BTC, again a net to you of .01 BTC. Does that seem like some long thought out scheme? If we were asking for 1, 10 or 100 BTC, I could understand the skepticism and super-paranoia, but goddammit it's .01 BTC LOL!  

To those false accusers, we have pity on your suspicious and probably guilt-ridden souls, for only a man or woman capable of such low-level schemes would suspect others of the same.

The following meme is dedicated to you pathetic and petty individuals:



Next is an image that explains our memberships for those of you that might be interested:



At our site, no 3rd party payment or conversion systems, downloads, platform installs, special wallets, etc. are required. We use only Peer to Peer transactions as envisioned by Satoshi Nakamoto. After all, is this is not how Bitcoin was intended to be used?