Topic: A world without Politicians (Read 495 times)

A world without politicians is not too smooth as now. Most of the countries are making progress with their hardworking politicians. No doubt, their image is not true due to corruption but somehow they are necessary for the world and the world without politician is mismanaged.

a world cannot function if there are no politicians. No one will ruled the country. No one will progress and No one will governed our country.

Could you give some examples of "hardworking politicians" that are actually making their country better. Maybe I'm naive, but it seems like they are definitely a minority. The worst thing is that politics is so often a show. A politician may "open" a new orphanage. The media will come and they'll have a great ceremony and celebrate the event. Everybody will be talking in the media about how great the leader is. In reality, though, he's just putting a band-aid on a huge problem and he didn't even do anything more than put his signature on a piece of paper to give taxpayers' money to the project. That's most countries' politics in a nutshell.

You think it would be good if there weren't any politicians, but you want smart people to replace the politicians? Wouldn't the "smart" people that replace the politicians then also be politicians? Even if it's a group of scientists, they would still be leaders, wouldn't they? You say that sheep people think they need a leader, but you just said that we would need somebody to lead. Aren't these thoughts contradicting? It seems like what you're really saying isn't that we need no politicians. You're just saying that we need better politicians.

The world without a politicians will be the best place and if you read most of the Holy scriptures you will find out that God is always against the politicians and corruption.  Politicians are the reason why there is killing and poverty.

It will be amazing without politicians ,world will became a much better place thats for sure if we change politicans for just well educated simple people that dont wana be part of this elite program and start thinking with own head not just be puppets like most of them are...i partially agree their has to be someone to lets say lead but it can be a group of scientist and highly educated people that works like a group for best interests for their country and people ....only sheep people have this stupid idea that everyone needs a leader no matter how bad it is and one thing i can tell you smart and strong people dont need leader ,their is no perfect leader no hero that will save us all, its like every person need to start with himself ,because if we want healthy and resilient future is not something a hero can create for us. It’s something we can only create together in concert with one another.

A world without politicians will be messy and it has a lot of wars because politicians is the role model or a leader to our country.But nowadays some politicians causes the crimes especially when it comes to money.Some politicians are corrupted and they corrupt the taxes that government collected to the people.

Nice, but pretty idealistic POV. I wish you were right, but I think it's a dream...

First of all, I know how you are feeling it, but believe me, there is a lot of stuff you do not know about. You will learn then in your advanced lessons in the near future until then I don't think we should talk anything about government because they are not stupid. It's true that some countries have corruption in them but that does not follow all over the world. Many countries have a very excellent government with strict rules and good leadership.

I think it will be difficult, politicians are needed as a tool to cover government work, they appear in the media serves as a mere diversionary issue, although in reality the work of the government system does not always benefit the community, but with the political system the people are busy with other issues so forget to give criticism to the government.

While it is a dream to live in a world where politicians and government do not exist, the problem lies in the fact that if this comes true, then who will govern us? I think what we need is to rid the world of corrupt politicians, the ones that try to manipulate us and who are greedy and abusive of power. The world will be in chaos if the government is abolished.

it is impossible and it will cause destruction to the state without having politics, the government requires taxes for the welfare of the people, although the community does not get the expected but at least that is enough, they do not get it because of the higher material prices.
dreaming is easy and everyone wants as you think, but the fact is not as easy as you think and maybe aan cause the chaos because the real world is not as beautiful as cyberspace

I've never thought of anything like this. It almost sounds like it could be a Black Mirror episode. You're basically proposing using big data to make political decisions? Computers would just track out actions and correspondence to identify what we would prefer in any given situation and implement it? It seems like it would create this strange feeling that you can't really control anything. It doesn't even give you the illusion of voting. How could this system protect from hacking? How would people doing things like watching pornography affect the system? We have to keep in mind that so much of what people do and think is influenced by media. The media could sway the system.

I guess you are referring to a decentralized government.

I really hope this is not a daydream. It will surely not happen. I cant see the possibility of what you are thinking here my brother. Every society needs politicians

A world without politicians is like a world without rules/regulations.If theres no law do you think we had peaceful living?Yes we all know that most politicians are corrupt but lets not generalize all of them coz some are serving people and country in a good way.Without a leader our world will be messy because all people want to rule for sure.

Many people have commented that it's impossible to eliminate politicians because a leadership-follower dynamic emerges within any society, citing the history of tribal warfare up to modern day liberal democracies. While this seems true, it falls victim to the is-ought fallacy. Even if we take it as granted that this is true, that doesn't mean that it ought to be true. Sure, corruption has existed in all societies with leaders who have the capacity to abuse their power, but that doesn't demonstrate how that must necessarily be the case.

For a thought experiment, let's envisage a world without politicians and what that would take. Many other users have supported the idea that 'experts' / 'intellectuals' / 'elites' / people-with-phds should be in charge of the world, presumably because they have access to higher knowledge which allows them to understand the sophisticated dynamics of a complex society and fix them. First, higher intelligence individuals might actually allow people to more efficiently extract rents / exploit / manipulate their subjects, might not have the emotional depth of 'less smart' individuals, or possess the moral fibers necessary for creating a 'just society,' whatever that actually means. Replacing one set of corrupted politicians (which, many people noted, seems to be the natural result of putting people in positions of power, regardless of who they are..) with another set of hyper-intelligent politicians, vulnerable to the same tendencies of evil, seems like a poor choice. --But, all is not lost. The underlying attractiveness to the idea of elite-rule (reminiscent of Plato in his Republic) seems to be in the discrepancy between the 'objective facts' of the world and the 'subjective reality' of a voting populace. Simply, people vote for populist leaders who are so far detached from the objective facts of the scientific world that it boggles the mind -- thus, putting technocrats in charge will fix the problem; they already have solved the problems, the solutions just need to be implemented. Putting aside the question of whether or not that is true -- that technocrats have ready-to-apply solutions to the world's hardest problems -- the real attraction to experts as leaders is that they could, seemingly, create a fair and intelligent society which takes everyone's preferences into account within the context of a concrete - rather than fictional - reality, unswayed by the pleas of the 'reactionary, ignorant' masses. But that doesn't necessarily require people to implement. In fact, in the spirit of this post, people might be in the way. If we could aggregate everyone's preferences in a secure way -- say, their every action was recorded by their phone, laptop, etc and then weighed and crunched alongside everyone else's preference (instead of voting, we 'synched' on a global level), smart contracts and AI could merely implement the required changes to our world to align with global preferences. Perhaps there could be a digital, institutional constitution which prevented egregious abuse / the aggregation of despicable preferences. I'm interested in what people think about this type of approach to replacing politicians? Does it sound appealing?

Your comment about small tribes got me thinking. It's totally true that "leaders" always come up in any group. That's one of the reasons that I usually dislike being in groups of 3 or more people my age (I think it's different with children). If anybody has tried traveling with 3 of people people, you know how horrible it can be. It takes forever to make any decisions and there's usually somebody unhappy with the decision. You're always waiting for somebody. The only way that it really works is if somebody takes the leader. Honestly, they have to pay a little bit less attention to what everybody wants and just make decisions, so that something will happen.

One option that could be considered is an electronic direct democracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-democracy). There are many different ideas about how this could be implemented. The general idea is that the people actually get the opportunity to make many more if not all decisions by vote. Since we are somewhat limited by current political systems, most attempts at this nowadays involve a person running for office promising to use this principle and allow the people to make the decisions through him. There are many challenges that arise in this though. It may be very hard to motive large numbers of people to regularly vote on issues. You would also have to implement advanced security measure to avoid falsification.

 You are talking about anarchy man. Many people wanted to create that world and they didn't succeed but still maybe it was too early for their time and maybe it will be happen but in the future and crypto will help with it.

And btw not everywhere government is corrupted. I am from Russia and corruption here is everywhere. If you have money in Russia you will never go to the court since all our courts are corrupted. So when I read that in Europe or in USA federal court cancel the decision of ruler of the country that really inspires me that the democracy is real and corruption can be eliminated(at least in federal level) at democratic countries!

Your idea should work in theory. I think that's how the United States started out. A group of people picked the ideas and applied a system. But I think the problem with that is that there's thousands of different parts of the government, things to look focus on, and so new departments, and now we're covering the whole world. For example the courts, that small group of people would not be able to handle the courts, cases, and still be knowledgeable/productive in thousands of other area. Eventually it's always going to end up in sectors who know more about their sector.

Politicians without the world to run impossible after.The people of selected by the politicians. The country in politics. And the country in politics were not if the country in which the as used and through any rule.Gardehs bad not and country in proving was not. Agood politician have the quality to convince pepole about working of goverment in a country. Thinking about nation define a good politician.

Agreed. We need a government but more importantly, we need capable people to run it. Take a look at what mess our world is in. Our greedy leaders are being complacent about environmental issues and we are already paying for the consequences, even losing lives because of it.

A world without politics is a bad idea in my opinion, but a world without corrupt politicians will be lovely. Politics is one of the reasons that we are called civilized, but time comes that politics are being corrupt by the elected politicians that were supposed to be a leader for the community of his/her institution or constituents. The main problem will be the corruption, and corruption can kill even a strong civilization. People tend to go with the flow especially if the flow is the majority. So for me, politics is a great thing but if corruption comes with it, that's the time it will be bad. Tell me more about your ideas.

Choas and anarchy only works as an utopy. With no politicians, maybe a dangerous calss of rulers will appear and make our lifes even more difficult. I prefer not to try....

This really a big canker to the world, some countries are at the mercies of their political government. Whiles the commoners struggle the so called politicians take advantage of them. It very sad but the issue is will this governing body you talk of be of different mindset of those politician you describe. I think, is about time all government structures set up and work irrespective whose government is in power so that they could all operate on all equal right and justice system.

I mean what you proposed sounds exactly like politics. We're going to pick a small group of people. Don't you think that small group of people will be fighting for power also like current politicians? And those attracted to being in power try to be on top of the pile?

 My highpoints from https://www.ccn.com/will-bitcoin-vindicate-nobel-laureate-economist-friedrich-hayek/

1. Idea that  public institutions, such as the US Fed or the ECB, are the only expression of public interest is one of the greatest misconceptions.

Idea that money creation is the exclusive prerogative of sovereign “nation-states” is one of the greatest misconceptions.

2. In 1976,  F.A. Hayek – the 1974 Economics Nobel Prize winner (Austrian School of Economics) – wrote a pamphlet titled “Denationalisation of Money“, in which he foresaw the emergence of privately issued moneys which could compete among themselves and against the governments monopolies.

The governments monopolies prevent the discovery of better methods of satisfying a need for which a monopolist has no incentive.

3. The threat of competition from private monies imposes market discipline on any government that issues currency. If a central bank, for example, does not provide a sufficiently ‘good’ money, then it will have difficulties in implementing allocations. This may be the best feature of cryptocurrencies.

 Hmm... sounds interesting. Especially the findings of Mr Hayek. Probably we are on the way to private monies' marketbut there are sitll some steps to be taken in this direction. So far FIAT retains its dominance in economics. BTC has certainly made huge progress but it can't yet oust FIAT.

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The problem here is not the politicians. The problem here are the citizens. We (USA) have become very docile and only complain without making an intelligent move. The government, at one point in time, worked for us. They are supposed to work for us as they are technically our employees. So until we stand up for ourselves, fight for morality and say no to the negatives, we will be forever locked in a powerless spiral. We all need to remember that we are the ones who hold the power to change things.

)))) My highpoints from https://www.ccn.com/will-bitcoin-vindicate-nobel-laureate-economist-friedrich-hayek/

1. Idea that  public institutions, such as the US Fed or the ECB, are the only expression of public interest is one of the greatest misconceptions.

Idea that money creation is the exclusive prerogative of sovereign “nation-states” is one of the greatest misconceptions.

2. In 1976,  F.A. Hayek – the 1974 Economics Nobel Prize winner (Austrian School of Economics) – wrote a pamphlet titled “Denationalisation of Money“, in which he foresaw the emergence of privately issued moneys which could compete among themselves and against the governments monopolies.

The governments monopolies prevent the discovery of better methods of satisfying a need for which a monopolist has no incentive.

3. The threat of competition from private monies imposes market discipline on any government that issues currency. If a central bank, for example, does not provide a sufficiently ‘good’ money, then it will have difficulties in implementing allocations. This may be the best feature of cryptocurrencies.

When politicians get so much money they see no problems because why would they   remember they get
loads of monies they have no problems 

So maybe if they get less then they will see the problems ..

Less of them   and we want to see bank accounts for 10 years after they leave office plus they should be
on 50k and no more expenses payed for travel and what not no more perks..

And if any politician takes a bribe those that bribed and the politician should be in jail or hanged 
just joking about the hanging but they should be in jail..

Then we can have TRUE DEMOCRACY ..

I agree, even with a small community we still need to both for our Chairman and even staffs of Chairman is needed, but yeah, they are just good at first and just during with election then after that we are all nothing, they just get what they need to get and all of them are still corrupt , we even don't know those candidates but we still need to vote, I think it is better to have a long time campaigning before they enter they real position so that we may know who is better. At least, if that will happen most of them will do good for a long time and we will notice who are the good ones and not. At least we will not just saw the paper on their platform but also experience it. I think we need to have a new type of campaigning before voting. They need to do something good before entering a politics.

Politicians are the lesser evil, in principle you can change them, or any elected official, by casting a vote.
A world without politicians would be 100% run by secret services (even more than today), and then good luck getting rid of them! 

Well, Ancient Greece used to have a system where ordinary people were allowed to vote and speak their mind. At the end of each term the people's council (elected by people themselves ) had the right to judge the ruler ( if the guy had made a mess of his job, he would be executed :-) I guess, this added to justice in the political system of the first democracy in Europe. Imagine that today's presidents would have to do the same - they would then take their duties with much more rsponsibility). As for the decientralized system governed by one government, I don't see it possible. Sounds more like a dystopy - agreeing here with the similar comments. Unfortunately, this world is corrupt and evil cannot be eliminated. One can't create a government that will be purely altruistic and take care of its  people. Don't think it's possible. All attemptsto achieve that have resulted into bloody revolutions, communism being the brightest example.

I am unsure of the possible result. I am thinking that there would be no difference. Corruption will always be the problem with or without politicians because human being is naturally greedy.

What is more important right now is the things that the certain leader have done to its country no matter how corrupt that leader is. Being not corrupt can not also mean that they can spend the funds properly

A world without politicians would just create more chaos, don't you think? It's like leaving kids at a candy store and all hell will break loose. Greedy people will just take what they can get. And for sure our environment will have all its resources destroyed/consumed.

A world without politicians will be complicated because without them no one will govern us. Let us not look on the negative sides, let us take all the positive thing that politicians do for us to have a peaceful and useful government.

Politics are about survive. in many countries to become leaders must be through political parties. It is almost impossible to see politic do not exist.

Society needs leaders. But what we have in the states is getting a tad out of hand.

"Handled by a group of people like this" - That is no different than a government.

Things that we have today exists for a reason. Before, it was the eldest man of the family who is in-charge to be the leader of the family until he becomes too old to defend or to fight. Some tribes have merged and their leaders are those who are the strongest so when one tribe beats another tribe, the losing tribe has to join the winning tribe and the leader will be the winning tribes leader. Some even believed in the divine grace and said that their leader was chosen by God. Fast forward to a couple of thousand of years, we have the politicians. It might seem messed up, but we can't just remove them in our world because that's how the world is ever since the beginning. It is in our instinct to follow people who know better than us.

Now, it might seem good to be able to remove these corrupt government officials but all I can say is that you should have voted better. By that I mean you should have helped in promoting the nominee that you think isn't corrupt.

When you remove the government, eventually there will be smaller governments, our family for example. Someone has to be a leader. And those leaders will need a leader and those leaders will also (AGAIN) need a leader. Hierarchy will always be formed in order for humans to be able to be at peace.

A world without politicians is simply impossible in today's world. I love the idea of the government that is aligned hereein the crypto community. However, we must all remember that not all people are technology literate about this matter. Not all are familiar on how system here works. In fact, only few can catch up if it happens. Hence, if we want to appply this kind of government, without politicians, we must first let the people become aware of these. Little bu little, we must disseminate the information about the said system of government. Yet, I believe that it will take years to accomplish. Thus, the world without politicians is simply a dream for now.

The world has come to embrace democracy as a way of governance which means people are at liberty to choose who they want represent them and their needs.Hence democracy as the meaning goes 'government of the people, for the people and by the people; these same people are at liberty to change the hands of government if their interests are misrepresented.The mistakes electorates usually make is voting for the same leadership and expecting the different outcome.How crazy is that!!!!!!!
Millions of people will still vote for incompetence and bad governance as long as the word 'democracy is attached'

Man is basically a political animal. Even if you remove the present political system, that will do lite or no good cause once you give anyone a little power to take charge of affairs of the state, politics will start all over again.

Well this can be a good idea. We know politicians sometimes rule so bad and are corrupt. I just have one concern. What if someone tries to act as a leader and put himself as the ruler of all. Could we be in peace or be full of war? It is the nature of man to be sometimes greedy though not all. How can we solve this without the appointed leaders or politicians?

a world without politicians could be happen when all the politicians came to one decision and rule as per general people says. politics is good to govern the country, not to feed their selves.

Yes, we  can introduce a common governing  system for the world without politicians but Government can't be handled by group. some forms of groups like this exist already such as the EU.
The solution to The world without Politicians is  Self-governance, self-government, or autonomy

I don't know but I can't see a world without politicians and government. I want to eliminate the corruption and nonsense doings of politician but I wont sacrifice the orderliness it gave. I can see government as those who makes everything in one nation be ordered enough. If there is no government or politician, it would gave rise to a lot of problems. Maybe problems in land, food and other primary needs of human. People would just use power to get what others had. So I am quite sure that it is not possible to have a world without politicians.

If a country without politics will not be a developed country.
like an increasingly advanced American country now? because it has politicians who are trusted by many other countries

Never going to happen you should know that money creates pyramid schemes and polititians are making then survive longer

Not all politicians are corrupt and we need a government to govern us, without it there would be chaos. If you put what we do here into the government and brainstorm all those ideas, do you think those moderators/new-politicians-to-govern-us would have it easy? Imagine receiving millions of ideas everyday. That would be catastrophic to your new government.

It looks like in your OP you are hoping for a global totalitarian dictatorship, and the most funny thing is that you have no idea that this exactly is what you have been wishing for. Perhaps you should do your homework before talking about adult stuff.

Definitely, politics is good but our politicians are bad. Because they only promise the society heaven and earth during campaigns buh turn it around when they are been voted for into a particular post. Therefore if we can get a Godly ones among them then I believe politics will be the best governing system.

I wonder this world will be much better without politician, most of politician are come from local and maybe international mafia. to make sure their illegal business could run smoothly most of them became a politician so they can be a senator member and finally can make a lot of rules that will give a huge benefit to their illegal business. shame on you....

yes. But those people can select with their qualifications and not for long term basis. May be I am wrong. but if we could find a administrative system which govern ourselves by us, that would be better than being governed by others.

Well you yourself said governing system, now who will govern it? You need some person for it. And then he need many person for administrative purposes. And they need more.. It all come down to acquiring power and again we are back to politics. 

Most of the political systems in most of the countries are currupted. Government collect Taxes but in return we get very less advantages. There is a doubt about the knowledge of ministers too.

If we can introduce a common governing  system for the world without politicians I think it will be more friendly to the people. Government can be handled by group of people like this. That means same as what we do here in crypto. So there may be varities of ideas. Group of moderaters can pick the best ideas and apply them to the system. It will cut off the additional cost of maintaining ministers and will be more human friendly and real time updated.