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December 20, 2020, 08:42:45 AM
#38
Then why do you seem more concerned with the outcome than steklomoy themselves?  Why are "they" not here asking for their account to be unblocked?

Didn't you think that the "steklomoy" account cannot write something here because of the ban? Or are you a moron like suchmoon?


Maybe consider dropping the charade that steklomoy isn't your account.

I hope your charade has conclusive evidence?
And in general, how does this relate to this topic? Maybe you got lost?

I am talking about "steklomoy" account, which you were trying to sell.

Did the voices in your head whisper to you again that in my post it was about the sale of the account by the "steklomoy"?

Your dementia prevents you from becoming Hercule Poirot, so don't even try  Wink

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December 19, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
#37
Who told you that I am asking to unblock the "PnP" account? We are talking about a "steklomoy" account. Does your dementia prevent you from understanding this?  Cheesy
Although, I do not mind if you bring this up  Grin

I am talking about "steklomoy" account, which you were trying to sell.
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December 19, 2020, 07:35:55 AM
#36
Who told you that I am asking to unblock the "PnP" account? We are talking about a "steklomoy" account. Does your dementia prevent you from understanding this?  Cheesy

Then why do you seem more concerned with the outcome than steklomoy themselves?  Why are "they" not here asking for their account to be unblocked?

Maybe consider dropping the charade that steklomoy isn't your account. 
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December 19, 2020, 01:24:08 AM
#35
Личный aкк, тpacт нeйтpaльный, пpoдaю вмecтe c poднoй пoчтoй.

Personal account, trust neutral, I sell with my own mail.

Probably doesn't qualify you as a valuable member worthy of unban.

Who told you that I am asking to unblock the "PnP" account? We are talking about a "steklomoy" account. Does your dementia prevent you from understanding this?  Cheesy
Although, I do not mind if you bring this up  Grin
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December 18, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
#34
don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go  Wink

Oh please do, I'm bored.

Meanwhile I can tell you that this:

Личный aкк, тpacт нeйтpaльный, пpoдaю вмecтe c poднoй пoчтoй.

Personal account, trust neutral, I sell with my own mail.

Probably doesn't qualify you as a valuable member worthy of unban.
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December 18, 2020, 10:59:13 AM
#33
We are waiting for the decision of the global moderators. Therefore, please do not clutter the topic with your subjective moral teachings.Thank you...

Send an e-mail to the address given in your ban message and lock the thread instead of cluttering it with your misleading attempts to twist forum rules to your favor.

don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go  Wink
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December 17, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
#32
We are waiting for the decision of the global moderators. Therefore, please do not clutter the topic with your subjective moral teachings.Thank you...

Send an e-mail to the address given in your ban message and lock the thread instead of cluttering it with your misleading attempts to twist forum rules to your favor.
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December 17, 2020, 11:07:04 AM
#31

Even the moderator wrote that this is an isolated case in the entire history of steklomoy's posts. Moreover, it has nothing to do with malicious intent. In this case, the person did not consider it necessary to give a link, since it was necessary to distribute the advertisement. Is this the crime of the century!?

We are waiting for the decision of the global moderators. Therefore, please do not clutter the topic with your subjective moral teachings.Thank you...
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December 17, 2020, 05:36:14 AM
#30
Well, I repeat again, for the imbecile. The rules of the Russian section prohibit exactly plagiarism, and not copying news headlines. Therefore, I do not need to prove anything, since the text under discussion is not plagiarism in the literal sense of the word, like the appropriation of other people's ideas, because the text does not contain any thoughts and ideas, but is news, and everyone can check its reliability through a search engine.

Would have you been struck by lightning had you put a damn link under a text you copied from the Internet? Seriously, I don't get it. Moreover, your definition of news is likely wrong since some news may well contain thoughts and ideas. Imagine you were a journalist, you spent a lot of time collecting, analyzing, transforming information into readable text, and later you would know that someone just copied your work without citing the source. Wouldn't you be upset?
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December 17, 2020, 04:53:17 AM
#29
So what's the problem with making a temporary ban?
The problem is that I don’t have the authority to. Just bump the topic periodically so that someone from the global moderators can see it.
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December 17, 2020, 04:36:59 AM
#28
However, I believe that a temporary ban would be sufficient in this case because there is just one mistake, and he did it not to earn some money from signature campaign or not to raise his activity.

So what's the problem with making a temporary ban?
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December 04, 2020, 05:43:33 AM
#27

Forum rules do not prohibit the creation of multiple accounts, as well as their sale. By blocking such accounts, the administration is breaking its own rules. If you don't like what I write, you always have the option to ignore my messages.  Wink

Have you read the rules at all? Now you have proven once again that the blocked account is your alternate account. Thus, according to the rules, this account of yours should also be banned. Once your one account is locked out, you cannot write and use the other account. The only thing you can do is create a new account for the sole purpose of filing an appeal in the META section.
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December 04, 2020, 05:16:21 AM
#26
The rules of the Russian section prohibit exactly plagiarism, and not copying news headlines.
We have notes under the list of rules and here is one of the note about plagiarism:
Пpимeчaния:
8. Плaгиaт зaпpeщён, в тoм чиcлe в видe кoпиpoвaния, либo пepeфpaзиpoвaния чyжиx cooбщeний или тeкcтoв из ceти Интepнeт. Ecли выклaдывaeтe кoпипacтy, тo oбязaтeльнo yкaзывaйтe ccылкy нa иcтoчник.
Translation:
Plagiarism is prohibited, including in the form of copying or rephrasing other people’s messages or texts from the Internet. If you are posting something which is copied, you must include a reference to the source.

However, I believe that a temporary ban would be sufficient in this case because there is just one mistake, and he did it not to earn some money from signature campaign or not to raise his activity.
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December 04, 2020, 01:22:53 AM
#25
It doesn't matter who the author is or where the text was copied from? Is your head all right? Grin Grin Grin

It matters only if steklomoy is the original author. If you can prove that with timestamps etc - that's great. So far all evidence shows otherwise.

This is not a court of law. No one is going to prison. User was shown to have copied text from somewhere else and passed it as their own => ban. It's been that way for years here and you're not the first one attempting to bend the rules. That's not a winning strategy. You should focus on whether steklomoy's positive contributions to the forum are sufficient for him to get leniency in this case, instead of continuing to argue that copypasta is ok. It's not.

Well, I repeat again, for the imbecile. The rules of the Russian section prohibit exactly plagiarism, and not copying news headlines. Therefore, I do not need to prove anything, since the text under discussion is not plagiarism in the literal sense of the word, like the appropriation of other people's ideas, because the text does not contain any thoughts and ideas, but is news, and everyone can check its reliability through a search engine.

Why bother to prove anything to someone who breaks all the rules from the very beginning. The OP does not deny that this is his second account. Look at his trust, the account is either sold or bought.
What is a blocked account allowed to do? You can create one account and file an appeal.
If you look at the writing style of both accounts, talking about politicians and swearing at the government is the most savory topic for them. And as you can see, this is already beginning. Grin

Forum rules do not prohibit the creation of multiple accounts, as well as their sale. By blocking such accounts, the administration is breaking its own rules. If you don't like what I write, you always have the option to ignore my messages.  Wink
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December 03, 2020, 01:19:37 PM
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Why bother to prove anything to someone who breaks all the rules from the very beginning. The OP does not deny that this is his second account. Look at his trust, the account is either sold or bought.
What is a blocked account allowed to do? You can create one account and file an appeal.
If you look at the writing style of both accounts, talking about politicians and swearing at the government is the most savory topic for them. And as you can see, this is already beginning. Grin


P.S. Now I understand what it is like for the American courts now, which demand proof of election fraud, and Trumpists continue to make unfounded accusations in response.  Cheesy


And if someone does not agree, he will be doused with slops of insults.
All stories about the rules of life and the concept of "plagiarism" for this forum, the OP will deny.
Therefore, leave the moderators the right to choose.
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December 03, 2020, 12:48:01 PM
#23
It doesn't matter who the author is or where the text was copied from? Is your head all right? Grin Grin Grin

It matters only if steklomoy is the original author. If you can prove that with timestamps etc - that's great. So far all evidence shows otherwise.

This is not a court of law. No one is going to prison. User was shown to have copied text from somewhere else and passed it as their own => ban. It's been that way for years here and you're not the first one attempting to bend the rules. That's not a winning strategy. You should focus on whether steklomoy's positive contributions to the forum are sufficient for him to get leniency in this case, instead of continuing to argue that copypasta is ok. It's not.
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December 03, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
#22
But hey, it's not up to me to decide.  See how the appeal goes, OP.  You might get lucky, but use this as a learning experience if you get unbanned.

As a rule, plagiarism hides “selfish interest”.
In the case of steklomoy, a simple warning would be enough. I am sure that if it gets unbanned steklomoy will take this lesson into account.
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December 03, 2020, 12:27:45 PM
#21
The consequence being that if we don't class this as plagiarism, we then open the floodgates to dozens of accounts copy/pasting single lines of text, then citing this example as precedent as to why low effort posts are permissable.  It doesn't matter if it's common knowledge, it has been copied verbatim without accompanying independent thought or comment.  
I agree with this completely.  It doesn't matter if it's a headline or text from an article: if someone else wrote something somewhere on the internet or on the printed page, you have to cite the source. 

The only thing that was written in the post that was reported as plagiarism was written by someone else.  That would lead the average person to reasonably assume that those words came from the brain of the member who wrote them--which isn't true in this case, hence it is plagiarism. 

But hey, it's not up to me to decide.  See how the appeal goes, OP.  You might get lucky, but use this as a learning experience if you get unbanned.
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December 03, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
#20
I agree. But what did @Ateobreaking, who is called the author of the idea, come up with?

Quit the fallacious bullshit. It doesn't matter if @Ateobreaking was the original author or copied from somewhere else. The fact is that steklomoy copied it from somewhere and posted as their own. End of.


It doesn't matter who the author is or where the text was copied from? Is your head all right? Grin Grin Grin

Everything is simple here; there is no need to say heresy, passing it off as reality.
Provide compelling evidence that the text is plagiarized, otherwise the account should be unblocked.


P.S. Now I understand what it is like for the American courts now, which demand proof of election fraud, and Trumpists continue to make unfounded accusations in response.  Cheesy
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December 03, 2020, 11:15:24 AM
#19
I agree. But what did @Ateobreaking, who is called the author of the idea, come up with?

Quit the fallacious bullshit. It doesn't matter if @Ateobreaking was the original author or copied from somewhere else. The fact is that steklomoy copied it from somewhere and posted as their own. End of.
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December 03, 2020, 10:56:35 AM
#18
Not all copy-paste is plagiarized. I never tire of repeating that plagiarism is the theft of ideas or thoughts, and not sharing messages to the public.
It's very simple: if you didn't come up with it yourself, add a source.

I agree. But what did @Ateobreaking, who is called the author of the idea, come up with?
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December 03, 2020, 10:48:20 AM
#17
This is not a scientific article or creative work, but news about an award for the capture of Lukashenka. Can't you see the difference?
That doesn't matter, it can still be plagiarism.
LoyceV, I think you do not quite understand what plagiarism is.
Lol. I've only had a topic about plagiarism for 2.5 years.

In the context of plagiarism, the text should be someone's unique thought.
Good luck explaining to Bitcointalk the Administrator and Moderators have been wrong all along.

Not all copy-paste is plagiarized. I never tire of repeating that plagiarism is the theft of ideas or thoughts, and not sharing messages to the public.
It's very simple: if you didn't come up with it yourself, add a source.
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December 03, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
#16
It looks like a little of an article (what I see by google translate). It's generally done by some newbies or some users who want to promote their blog here in this forum. Just add a title and post the link to the article (Though it's not a good way). But they put the reference there. You did a mistake by not putting a reference link there.

Let's see what actually the rule saying.
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33. This includes both copying parts or the entirety of other users' posts or threads and copying content from external sources (e.g. other websites) and passing it as your own.


In fact, in the rules of the Russian-language section, this article looks much more prosaic:

33. Зaнимaтьcя плaгиaтoм зaпpeщeнo.

Which in translation means - plagiarism is prohibited.
Plagiarism, in my understanding, has exactly the same meaning as in Russian dictionaries and Wikipedia. That is exactly what I wrote about above.

copy/pasted

Not all copy-paste is plagiarized. I never tire of repeating that plagiarism is the theft of ideas or thoughts, and not sharing messages to the public.


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December 03, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
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No and no. In the context of plagiarism, the text should be someone's unique thought. But this is not a thought that belongs to Ateo Breaking. This is Nexta's statement shared by Ateo Breaking and steklomoy on their own initiative. Learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.

It really doesn't matter how you call it.

What you did was to simply copy/paste something without mentioning any source or using quotes.

You made this look like it were something you wrote your self, which clearly isn't the case since it was just copy/pasted from somewhere.
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December 03, 2020, 10:17:02 AM
#14
It looks like a little of an article (what I see by google translate). It's generally done by some newbies or some users who want to promote their blog here in this forum. Just add a title and post the link to the article (Though it's not a good way). But they put the reference there. You did a mistake by not putting a reference link there.

Let's see what actually the rule saying.
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33. This includes both copying parts or the entirety of other users' posts or threads and copying content from external sources (e.g. other websites) and passing it as your own.

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December 03, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
#13
LoyceV, I think you do not quite understand what plagiarism is. First of all, plagiarism is the issuance of someone else's intellectual work under one's own name. Now answer a simple question: how could steklomoy arrogate to himself the rights of the Nexta channel by spreading the news about the award for the arrest of Lukashenka?
What you are now trying to call plagiarism is called the dissemination of information, and in connection with the recent events in Belarus - quite important information.

No, it's called plagiarism. The user didn't put any effort into attributing the text and posted it as their own. The sentence doesn't even sound like it's coming from Nexta, it is about Nexta.

No and no. In the context of plagiarism, the text should be someone's unique thought. But this is not a thought that belongs to Ateo Breaking. This is Nexta's statement shared by Ateo Breaking and steklomoy on their own initiative. Learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.

P.S. By the way, how will plagiarism advocates react to the fact that there are more than one author here?  Grin

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December 03, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
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LoyceV, I think you do not quite understand what plagiarism is. First of all, plagiarism is the issuance of someone else's intellectual work under one's own name. Now answer a simple question: how could steklomoy arrogate to himself the rights of the Nexta channel by spreading the news about the award for the arrest of Lukashenka?
What you are now trying to call plagiarism is called the dissemination of information, and in connection with the recent events in Belarus - quite important information.

No, it's called plagiarism. The user didn't put any effort into attributing the text and posted it as their own. The sentence doesn't even sound like it's coming from Nexta, it is about Nexta.

And you're making up the part about "intellectual" work. It could be the stupidest crap, or it could be a news headline... it doesn't matter.
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#11
The post does not explicitly suggest the writer was claiming ownership of the reply which is sort of common knowledge at the time. It's a news headline, and we regularly see different media houses use very similar headlines for their publications. If the op had written more which was copied without including a source, it would then be in the realm of plagiarism, imo.
But still, it would consider as plagiarism or copy paste. For such a post, OP should mention there that "I have read on Telegram (source name) or on news". Also at least OP should use Quotation mark (") on the post to avoid plagiarism. Add source link on the post also help avoid plagiarism. If this isn't plagiarism then many users will do the same. But, really this wouldn't consider as heavy plagiarism. Most likely temp ban for such a case would appropriate IMO.
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December 03, 2020, 09:21:15 AM
#10
This is not a scientific article or creative work, but news about an award for the capture of Lukashenka. Can't you see the difference?
That doesn't matter, it can still be plagiarism.

LoyceV, I think you do not quite understand what plagiarism is. First of all, plagiarism is the issuance of someone else's intellectual work under one's own name. Now answer a simple question: how could steklomoy arrogate to himself the rights of the Nexta channel by spreading the news about the award for the arrest of Lukashenka?
What you are now trying to call plagiarism is called the dissemination of information, and in connection with the recent events in Belarus - quite important information.
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December 03, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
#9
I have to agree with the OP in this case. Here is the translation of the plagiarized reply;
"The founder of HEXTA announced a $ 1 million reward for arresting Lukashenka or any other way to remove him from power."

The post does not explicitly suggest the writer was claiming ownership of the reply which is sort of common knowledge at the time. It's a news headline, and we regularly see different media houses use very similar headlines for their publications. If the op had written more which was copied without including a source, it would then be in the realm of plagiarism, imo.

The consequence being that if we don't class this as plagiarism, we then open the floodgates to dozens of accounts copy/pasting single lines of text, then citing this example as precedent as to why low effort posts are permissable.  It doesn't matter if it's common knowledge, it has been copied verbatim without accompanying independent thought or comment.  
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December 03, 2020, 07:04:41 AM
#8
This is not a scientific article or creative work, but news about an award for the capture of Lukashenka. Can't you see the difference?
That doesn't matter, it can still be plagiarism.

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Also, this announcement came from the NEXTA channel, which the steklomoy mentioned in his post.
I don't see any mention of the source in this post.
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December 03, 2020, 05:52:41 AM
#7
The best thing to do is to contact the russian mods to explain the situation to them.

Regarding account blocking, according to the rules of the forum, it is allowed to make entries only here - in the meta  Sad

Correct this is the right behavior Smiley
But you (or steklomoy with an alt) can send a PN to the responsible moderator with a request for explanation.
Or the link to your thread here so that the matter can be clarified.
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December 03, 2020, 05:46:08 AM
#6
The best thing to do is to contact the russian mods to explain the situation to them.

Regarding account blocking, according to the rules of the forum, it is allowed to make entries only here - in the meta  Sad

I have to agree with the OP in this case. Here is the translation of the plagiarized reply;
"The founder of HEXTA announced a $ 1 million reward for arresting Lukashenka or any other way to remove him from power."

The post does not explicitly suggest the writer was claiming ownership of the reply which is sort of common knowledge at the time. It's a news headline, and we regularly see different media houses use very similar headlines for their publications. If the op had written more which was copied without including a source, it would then be in the realm of plagiarism, imo.

Everything is correctly formulated!  Smiley
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December 03, 2020, 05:27:52 AM
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I have to agree with the OP in this case. Here is the translation of the plagiarized reply;
"The founder of HEXTA announced a $ 1 million reward for arresting Lukashenka or any other way to remove him from power."

The post does not explicitly suggest the writer was claiming ownership of the reply which is sort of common knowledge at the time. It's a news headline, and we regularly see different media houses use very similar headlines for their publications. If the op had written more which was copied without including a source, it would then be in the realm of plagiarism, imo.
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December 03, 2020, 05:27:21 AM
#4
Can't you see the difference?

Errrr no, I can't see the difference, I don't understand Russian. Don't shoot the messenger, I just report what I saw Smiley.
The best thing to do is to contact the russian mods to explain the situation to them.
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December 03, 2020, 05:16:11 AM
#3
This message has been reported in the Staff section for plagiarism :


Ocнoвaтeль HEXTA oбъявил o вoзнaгpaждeнии в 1 миллиoн дoллapoв зa apecт Лyкaшeнкo или любoй дpyгoй cпocoб eгo ycтpaнeния oт влacти.

Original:
Ocнoвaтeль HEXTA oбъявил o вoзнaгpaждeнии в 1 миллиoн дoллapoв зa apecт Лyкaшeнкo или любoй дpyгoй cпocoб eгo ycтpaнeния oт влacти.

 Grin

This is not a scientific article or creative work, but news about an award for the capture of Lukashenka. Can't you see the difference? Also, this announcement came from the NEXTA channel, which the steklomoy mentioned in his post.

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December 03, 2020, 04:41:02 AM
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This message has been reported in the Staff section for plagiarism :


Ocнoвaтeль HEXTA oбъявил o вoзнaгpaждeнии в 1 миллиoн дoллapoв зa apecт Лyкaшeнкo или любoй дpyгoй cпocoб eгo ycтpaнeния oт влacти.

Original:
Ocнoвaтeль HEXTA oбъявил o вoзнaгpaждeнии в 1 миллиoн дoллapoв зa apecт Лyкaшeнкo или любoй дpyгoй cпocoб eгo ycтpaнeния oт влacти.
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December 03, 2020, 04:19:14 AM
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Hello. Today the "steklomoy" account was blocked for alleged plagiarism. I would like to see evidence of plagiarism. And if there are none, please unblock this account. Otherwise, a feeling is created that they are blocking all the unwanted on the principle of "friend or foe", "pulling by the ears" the article of the rules for which the blocking is provided.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53622855
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/steklomoy-1790031
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