Accounts with Tag (Neg-Trust) are back to normal.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 21, 2022, 02:33:34 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 PM

Why is it that your feedback is bothering you now, mate?

I don't think this feedback is entirely intrusive.
as I said: because this topic is meant only to "request help tagging an account I flagged earlier" after I learned of the repercussions of my own behavior.

It is also important to understand that when DT members leave negative reviews, they take responsibility for their actions. This is not the mark of a simple user, but of someone who can be trusted.
Therefore, in order to ask DT to tag all your accounts, DT would have to check all or believe you, as himself.
But you, as I see it, are still not always confident in your investigations.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 21, 2022, 01:12:12 PM

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Can this Evidence be categorized as a Connected Account? Joining the same company But with different wallet addresses?

I am missing something here, why do you think these two accounts are connected? What is the connection between them? Blockchain transactions? But you should then present it as evidence...

Awaklara

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 PM

When you asked me to remove my favorable feedback on your account because you wanted to leave a normal life, that didn't set right with me,

Yes I understand that, even if I were in your situation I would certainly do the same to remove it.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 PM

and I was curious as to what you meant by that. Being a DT member, in my opinion, does not pose a significant danger unless you are doing something wrong, If it's okay with you, I'd want to hear more from you.

okay, I also admit that this behavior makes you a little confused. but know that at that time my mind was confused Cheesy

Quote from: Igebotz on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 PM

Isn't that what you were hoping for all along? After you've requested to be removed from DT?

not really

Quote from: Igebotz on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 PM

Isn't that what you were hoping for all along? After you've requested to be removed from DT? Have you ever considered what would happen to all the fraudsters and cheats you've already tagged and who would be released if you ever lost your DT power?

To be honest, I still didn't understand the difference between positive feedback and the DT-1/DT-2 function. so I didn't think about what the impact would be on the previously flagged accounts (regardless of the belief system). But now I'm starting to understand and realize it.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 PM

Why is it that your feedback is bothering you now, mate?

I don't think this feedback is entirely intrusive.
as I said: because this topic is meant only to "request help tagging an account I flagged earlier" after I learned of the repercussions of my own behavior.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 21, 2022, 01:44:03 PM

and I was disappointed by your decision.

Yes, it is okay.
Anyone is free to speak and can judge each other. on the one hand I can learn from my previous bad behavior

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 21, 2022, 12:39:46 PM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 21, 2022, 04:46:40 AM

Here's what's interesting to me. You recently desperately asked to remove all positive reviews from you, which, in principle, did everything, at your request.

that's right. when I ask to delete positive reviews when I plan to quit and choose a normal life on the forums.
but one thing you need to know, that i can't leave this forum completely.

When you asked me to remove my favorable feedback on your account because you wanted to leave a normal life, that didn't set right with me, and I was curious as to what you meant by that. Being a DT member, in my opinion, does not pose a significant danger unless you are doing something wrong, If it's okay with you, I'd want to hear more from you.

Quote from: Awaklara on January 21, 2022, 12:39:46 PM

Yes I understand. I also don't mind losing DT status anyway.
basically I raised this topic "just need help" to tag the account which i have tagged before. because most of them return to normal and do the same activities.

Isn't that what you were hoping for all along? After you've requested to be removed from DT? Have you ever considered what would happen to all the fraudsters and cheats you've already tagged and who would be released if you ever lost your DT power? Why is it that your feedback is bothering you now, mate? You were doing an excellent job, and I was disappointed by your decision.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 21, 2022, 04:46:40 AM

Here's what's interesting to me. You recently desperately asked to remove all positive reviews from you, which, in principle, did everything, at your request.

that's right. when I ask to delete positive reviews when I plan to quit and choose a normal life on the forums.
but one thing you need to know, that i can't leave this forum completely.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 21, 2022, 04:46:40 AM

Now you have decided that you have been removed from the BitcoinGirl.Club trust list, thus you have lost your DT status. He didn't delete you.
First, you need to start understanding what a trust list is and how to get into a DT. And also what are positive trusts. It's not the same thing.
And today you bring up the topic that you care about your negative tags.

Yes I understand. I also don't mind losing DT status anyway.
basically I raised this topic "just need help" to tag the account which i have tagged before. because most of them return to normal and do the same activities.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 21, 2022, 04:46:40 AM

Damn, would you decide for yourself what you want? Huh

Of course, I have decided to go back and do this activity.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 21, 2022, 04:46:40 AM

And why does it seem to me that this is also your account? You two have some common problems.
Awaklara+Pandu Geddon Huh

At this point, I don't understand what you have in mind. Is it just because of the similarity related to the question I asked and it happens to be the same as @PanduGeddon?
Frankly, I don't know @PanduGeddon. It's just that if you look at the similarity of @PanduGeddon name, then my guess is that he comes from the same country as me. But it should be underlined that this equation does not mean that I am the same person as him.
Hope you understand what I'm saying.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 21, 2022, 04:46:40 AM

Awaklara+Pandu Geddon Huh

Can the similarity of problems like this also be the reason why several accounts are connected?
I just want to share information regarding the problems experienced by @awaklara. which I experienced, even with what happened to @NeuroticFish in the case of plagiarism.

I just want to learn more. from you, from friends who are active in the forum. slap me if I make a mistake. it will give me a better one. I hope my presence here doesn't bother you.
I appreciate your assumption, but sorry I do not confirm it.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 20, 2022, 01:20:35 PM

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on January 20, 2022, 12:40:47 PM

If you didn't ask whoever raised you to be a previous DT2 to remove you from their trust list, then perhaps your current concerns never occurred.

I didn't ask "BitcoinGirl.Club" to delete it. I don't even know when I was deleted. I just realized today when Active and saw the list of accounts that I marked was back to normal.

Here's what's interesting to me. You recently desperately asked to remove all positive reviews from you, which, in principle, did everything, at your request.
Now you have decided that you have been removed from the BitcoinGirl.Club trust list, thus you have lost your DT status. He didn't delete you.
First, you need to start understanding what a trust list is and how to get into a DT. And also what are positive trusts. It's not the same thing.
Your recent hysteria with a request to deprive you of positive reviews for me remained incomprehensible.
And today you bring up the topic that you care about your negative tags.
Damn, would you decide for yourself what you want? Huh

Quote from: Pandu Geddon on January 21, 2022, 03:44:47 AM

@Awaklara, previously I also asked about the same thing as what you mean.

And why does it seem to me that this is also your account? You two have some common problems.
Awaklara+Pandu Geddon Huh

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@Awaklara, previously I also asked about the same thing as what you mean.
regarding asking DT members for help to tag accounts found to be fraudulent. it is allowed, but not a compulsion for DT members to care about it.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 20, 2022, 03:16:49 AM

TL;DR: Tag 'em yourself, but try to get at least one DT member to back you.

the only way you can do it, I guess tell your findings to the bounty manager. and they will check it out. not necessarily with negative tags. I guess every manager has a blacklist for their campaign. there are even some who do accept participants with negative beliefs.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 20, 2022, 12:13:16 PM

Based on my observations. when an account has been marked, most of them (owners) prefer to use a new account and forget the previous account (neg-trust). it usually happens when bounty rules (reject participants with negative trust account).
Well, apart from that. the account i marked earlier did the same activity. and very rarely Bounty managers are willing to manually check Accounts. I'm talking about (the "not responsible" bounty manager).

The thing goes on that they'll be caught once again and it's like a never ending cycle that's why I don't want to caught these newbie red-handed and I prefer those high ranking ones (if you observe my previous reports on multiple accounts). Regarding the bounty managers most of them are crooks and just want to suck projects token or the salary they might get and only few who goes to the expectations with the likes of Hhampuz, Royse777 etc. who manages campaign on Bounties board that are reputed.

Quote from: Awaklara on January 20, 2022, 12:13:16 PM

frankly, the Trust System still doesn't seem to be really working properly according to him (the bounty manager is unprofessional) or maybe I misunderstood this. but basically I hate dishonest people.

I think it is working and it's a cycle, the best thing you did is you put effort to investigate them and your mark matters, it may not be to everyone but for sure it matters to some circumstances. Just don't worry much about it.

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In general, redundant feedback should be commonplace: with a much greater pool of DefaultTrust users, this increases reliability and permanence of the feedback when multiple users underscore the same action. Call it consensus or community voting, but if certain feedback is more "agreeable" than other sorts that are opinionated or complex, then it would be advisable to maintain that throughout DT cycles and to increase the subjective "weight" of the feedback.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 20, 2022, 01:20:35 PM

I didn't ask "BitcoinGirl.Club" to delete it. I don't even know when I was deleted. I just realized today when Active and saw the list of accounts that I marked was back to normal.

No, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying "BitcoinGirl.Club" has removed you from her trust list but she was not selected for DT1 (current DT2) last week and that has put you on DT3. When he/she is re-elected to DT1 (maybe next week or so) then you will return to DT2 so all the accounts you tagged will immediately show red tag. So don't bother about that, let the manager check it out in detail.

Quote from: Awaklara on January 20, 2022, 01:20:35 PM

Also, thanks again for taking the time to address this issue.

Happy to help. Wink

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 20, 2022, 12:37:18 PM

If someone says the trust system isn't working properly, it won't be something you or anyone should be worried about.

Not with "Someone". I mean this as my personal opinion.

Quote from: RapTarX on January 20, 2022, 12:37:18 PM

If the majority says that then the system will have flaws most probably

Also, I didn't expect it to happen after the opinion I just said. I agree with the forum rules including how the belief system works according to the consequences.

Quote from: RapTarX on January 20, 2022, 12:37:18 PM

I will check out them and if I find someone should be tagged, I definitely will tag them.

In that case, I want to say thank you very much.

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on January 20, 2022, 12:40:47 PM

If you didn't ask whoever raised you to be a previous DT2 to remove you from their trust list, then perhaps your current concerns never occurred.

I didn't ask "BitcoinGirl.Club" to delete it. I don't even know when I was deleted. I just realized today when Active and saw the list of accounts that I marked was back to normal.

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on January 20, 2022, 12:40:47 PM

I think it would be great if you go back to DT, it will take your worries away for all the accounts you tagged. Is there a possibility for that now?

I do not know. although I can assure anyone that I have learned from before. such as immunity to (attack, offended, etc) both outside and inside the forum.

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on January 20, 2022, 12:40:47 PM

But I can help you some, but it might take a lot of time to tick them off one by one.

Also, thanks again for taking the time to address this issue.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 20, 2022, 11:11:56 AM

I just realized I'm no longer in the DT-2 lineup and that's okay I don't mind that either. it's just, If You do not mind ,I ask the members of DT-1 or DT-2 to mark some of the accounts that I marked before, because most of them from he are back to normal (no neg'trust tag).

If you didn't ask whoever raised you to be a previous DT2 to remove you from their trust list, then perhaps your current concerns never occurred. I think it would be great if you go back to DT, it will take your worries away for all the accounts you tagged. Is there a possibility for that now?

But don't worry too much, if one of the 4 users who still trust your judgement is selected to be DT1 then the tag will be automatically shown to everyone. But I can help you some, but it might take a lot of time to tick them off one by one.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 20, 2022, 12:13:16 PM

frankly, the Trust System still doesn't seem to be really working properly according to him (the bounty manager is unprofessional)

If someone says the trust system isn't working properly, it won't be something you or anyone should be worried about. If the majority says that then the system will have flaws most probably. Nevertheless, I guess very few will go through all of your tags and evaluate them. I will check out them and if I find someone should be tagged, I definitely will tag them.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on January 20, 2022, 11:40:03 AM

Was it because they might be accepted on campaigns once again since negative trust aren't displaying on their corresponding profiles?

Yes, right.

Quote from: rhomelmabini on January 20, 2022, 11:40:03 AM

regarding if they might get involved on bounties again then that depends on the manager, he/she should be responsible enough to check the history of these users and your feedback will still be there for them to check it out and verify it.

Based on my observations. when an account has been marked, most of them (owners) prefer to use a new account and forget the previous account (neg-trust). it usually happens when bounty rules (reject participants with negative trust account).
Well, apart from that. the account i marked earlier did the same activity. and very rarely Bounty managers are willing to manually check Accounts. I'm talking about (the "not responsible" bounty manager).

frankly, the Trust System still doesn't seem to be really working properly according to him (the bounty manager is unprofessional) or maybe I misunderstood this. but basically I hate dishonest people.

rhomelmabini

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What are you worrying about? Was it because they might be accepted on campaigns once again since negative trust aren't displaying on their corresponding profiles? Just don't worry about it, it changes from time to time (DT circles of trust) and regarding if they might get involved on bounties again then that depends on the manager, he/she should be responsible enough to check the history of these users and your feedback will still be there for them to check it out and verify it.

Awaklara

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I just realized I'm no longer in the DT-2 lineup and that's okay I don't mind that either. it's just, If You do not mind ,I ask the members of DT-1 or DT-2 to mark some of the accounts that I marked before, because most of them from he are back to normal (no neg'trust tag).

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2519096

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2519096;page=sent;offset=50

There's no compulsion and I'm asking this "only" for people who are willing or don't mind.
Once again, thank you very much!

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