Topic: Accusations of Paid Shills (Read 615 times)

I think OP is a butthurt paid shill.

yeah lol, i know how you feel, if they think you are wrong and they are right which is always true for them, they beging to talk crap like you are paid chills, you are signature spammig and things like that, what a shame is becoming this place...

Absolutely.  I'd also lump this in with "assuming bad intentions" when people have different ideas, which was recently raised in an open letter in this thread, but it's didn't receive a great deal of attention.  Also the wider issues of community tribalism which I raised back in January.  Everyone just seems so eager to jump to conclusions and attack their perceived opponents.  Hardly anyone stops to establish facts anymore.  I don't know if it's just a symptom of internet culture in general, leading to people becoming increasingly impatient, or merely the way humanity appears to be growing increasingly intolerant of opposing viewpoints as technology allows for more voices of dissent to be heard:

Blockstream was paid $71M by venture capitalists and promotes their own agenda (as any business should do)
so they are the true paid shills if anyone is.

In your opinion am I a shill?


Also if the answer is yes please message who you think it should pay me and ask for a lot of money!

Thanks!


As for Alice trust me when I say this "You can't please everyone" just ignore the fuc*ers!

That said, we should not ignore the possibility that a lot of people are being paid, not just by BU supporters to spread FUD, but also from competitive Alt coins or even fiat competitors. You can easily spot these guys, if you look at their post history.

I am open to general discussion and brain storming from both sides, but I am not open to personal attacks on these people when they offer their opinion. You do not have to turn into a Cyber bully to get your point across. ^hmmmmm^

I've been accused of being a paid shill lol...

Funny i never got my check. 

I'm sorry, but that post seems entirely too well thought out and logical. You must be a paid shill for logic and reasoning!!!?

Seriously tho, "Paid Shill" is kind of becoming the new Godwin's Law... Don't like someone's point of view in a debate? call them a shill... Don't have a solid argument and are losing a debate? call the other party a shill...

As you say, it is pointless and is basically just an evasive tactic that people use when they've run out of logic and or evidence to back up their side of an argument.

Hundreds of posts from many users over the last few months have been pretty well summed here. Unfortunately many people don't understand that you don't need to make others smaller in order to be heard or have a message go through. And especially that some types of behavior do not encourage actually finding solutions.


Besides that, it is an off chain payment network. We have a few of these already.


Let's hope this happens. I think we've been further away from that.

This entire block debate, I have seen people on both sides accusing those on the other side of being a paid shill.

That needs to stop. Such an accusation without any evidence is extremely intellectually dishonest and is basically making the claim that no one is able to have a point of view or perspective that is different than yours of their own free conclusion. It is not a position that one can have an intelligent discussion with, because when you believe someone's motives are paid, you do not have any desire to listen to their perspective or try to see their point of view.

Me - I don't have anything specific against SegWit. I am not a fan of LN because to accept payments on LN, I must have a private key on a networked computer in order to sign the smart-contracts. That may work on an individual transaction basis but it doesn't scale well to lots of transactions every hour because it isn't secure.

I take the philosophy that every piece of software my server runs has at least one vulnerability that someone else knows how to exploit. It is thus my job to continually search for those exploits and patch them when I find them AND it is my job to minimize the damage that can be done when those holes are exploited before I have found them. The way you do that with bitcoin is by not having the private keys where there is any chance of them being stolen - that means not having them on a networked computer and that means automated signing of smart contracts needed for LN is not possible for any of my websites.

But I'm not opposed to the concept of SegWit nor am I opposed to people who do not mind taking that risk and want to use LN. Let them, I'm not their Pa - it's not my business, it's their business.

However, LN is not a solution to transaction problem for me. And right now it is not a solution to the transaction volume problem for anyone because LN does not even exist right now, it's still vaporware.

I wouldn't mind if Roger Ver sent me some free money, but neither he nor anyone else has done so, my position is my own and it is the position that I believe is in the best interest of my future use of Bitcoin and I understand that other people have different perspectives.

However it is not conductive to the debate for me to accuse any of you of taking money to have your position nor is it conductive to the debate for any of you to accuse me of taking money to have my position on the debate.

Those kind of accusations without a shred of evidence need to just plain stop.

This debate needs to be discussed, but it needs to be discussed in an intellectually honest way.