Affiliates (Paid Streamers) - Fair or Not to other non-paid gamblers?

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 04, 2021, 02:45:17 PM

If you are gullible enough to imagine that the amount of money spent in these streamers stream is actually their money and they are gambling fairly then you definitely need to stay away and not watch them at all. These are just entertainers who are gambling so that you could see how they win money and go do the same but end up with a loss, it is marketing and marketing serves only one purpose, to make more money to you. If I spend a million dollars on marketing but get nothing in return, why would I spend that money?

Actually...

There are legitimate streamers who play with their own money and do $10k~ bets. That is why people tend to have trouble differentiating between the people who are actually legit and people who are simply playing with house money.

At least get people to put a disclaimer that they're playing with fake money before they are allowed to stream, Twitch.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

In my opinion it is fair. They also use the money to to play slots, meaning, those paid streamers are also competting it is just the money that were given to them was from the casino. I think it's fair since the casino could still lose from that scenario if that streamer's slot journey that they was very bad.
Now, I think it will only be unfair if those paid streamers accounts will have higher RTP on those games than those that aren't paid (I don't know if it is possible). I can say that's manipulation if they are doing that, and they shouldn't be trusted and be tagged as scam.

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Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

like a company pays an influencer to promote its business. I think it's still fair if it's still in the context of how their promotion works with influencers who they think are suitable for their marketing targets. and usually they get what they win and a certain max. the only people who know how their partnership works are only them.

There is nothing bad and unfair about influencers getting paid highly due to there activities in promoting a gambling platform and getting share from the pool which is the money from there work input. Only those who are in to the business knows that, there is nothing like being unfair in this matter. If anyone feels it is unfair then , get what it takes to be a good influencer and get into the business, competition is allowed.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

If you are gullible enough to imagine that the amount of money spent in these streamers stream is actually their money and they are gambling fairly then you definitely need to stay away and not watch them at all. These are just entertainers who are gambling so that you could see how they win money and go do the same but end up with a loss, it is marketing and marketing serves only one purpose, to make more money to you. If I spend a million dollars on marketing but get nothing in return, why would I spend that money?

It is not just acknowledgement and PR for me, it is also about making more money back because of it, and that is why all of these are usually fake, sure there could be real people but they are usually not watched as much as others because the moment you start to get watched then casinos will start to throw cash at you and that is why you will eventually be corrupted and take it, who can say no to thousands of dollars constantly given to them?

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Quote from: Woodie on September 03, 2021, 04:06:32 PM

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Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

I feel this is a valid point and Syztmz argument holds water, you wagering with your money gives you a non compete chance against the house that's banking more money than the players themselves and based on the probability of the game streamers play longer because of the casino funded accounts which gives them higher chances of winning the jackpots. Btw the casino is the real winner in all this despite sponsoring some streamers to play on their platform but not to be harsh on the streamers its all part of marketing hope twitch finds a win win solution for all.

I think that it makes a lot of sense to fund some good gamblers to do casino promotions, and go against the house to get the audience interested in Streamer games. Even though this is a casino advertising method, of course the casino also acts as if it is fair and tries to convince other users that what the Streamer is playing is a gambling game without engineering or without casino interference.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 03, 2021, 12:20:17 AM

Promotion is just part of their strategy to get more players to gamble and one of these is having the large names streamers try to gamble to their platform of course they are giving them a token so they can gamble but AFAIK it's just a limit token like the worth of $1000 for their promotion if and just only for whole gambling not to make a withdrawal because they have a separate payment regarding with that. Too hard to believe those steamers that they got a huge profit when playing in this platform because they are paid its just a strategy.

We can't really trust those streamers because they are part of the casinos and his winnings might not be real, and maybe that's the fund of the casinos. I also believe that he is being paid enough but not much, beside streamers are not just earning from this promotions they are also earning much more on their social accounts when they stream, so this can still be a win win situation for the streamers, this is fair and legal.

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Quote from: semobo on September 03, 2021, 04:16:17 PM

It depends on which side you are! Grin

But the end result is same both are playing with real money while one with their own money and other with the sponsored money which is extreme two sides so its not comparable.

Affiliated streamers simply play to make money for the streaming time not from the wins or loss so he can keep betting and betting which will look extremely unfair to a non affiliated one no one is forcing the streamer to play with his own money and taking risk of losing them.

Casinos arent obliged on paying up on someone who had been willing to advertise them but if they do really have that consideration then they can always contact that certain streamer or advertiser but
on general sense its a self-will or decision to air on it without being affiliated on the site neither its just a person choice because there are people who do really love to make content on things which they
are interested into and its not always mean that they do need some payment or something like that but its good if they would really be getting some recognition but
dont expect much for that thing to happen.

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It depends on which side you are! Grin

But the end result is same both are playing with real money while one with their own money and other with the sponsored money which is extreme two sides so its not comparable.

Affiliated streamers simply play to make money for the streaming time not from the wins or loss so he can keep betting and betting which will look extremely unfair to a non affiliated one no one is forcing the streamer to play with his own money and taking risk of losing them.

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Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

I feel this is a valid point and Syztmz argument holds water, you wagering with your money gives you a non compete chance against the house that's banking more money than the players themselves and based on the probability of the game streamers play longer because of the casino funded accounts which gives them higher chances of winning the jackpots. Btw the casino is the real winner in all this despite sponsoring some streamers to play on their platform but not to be harsh on the streamers its all part of marketing hope twitch finds a win win solution for all.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 03, 2021, 03:13:02 AM

but me personally , I am not into streamers instead i am learning with my own way and that is to observe and study first before betting .

You don't need to be a streamer if you're just betting on your own personal game and not being exposed to the media. As for the streamers do it for the sake of content and have more followers than before. Even the streamers seem to give the audience the tricks he uses. But in fact such tricks do not apply to other gamblers.

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everyone entitles to their own business and marketing strategy , and casino owners find this kind of advertising functional and being great way to lure gamblers .

and besides gamblers nowadays are bright and mindful they will never be fooled with such way, but of course they will find this attractive .

but me personally , I am not into streamers instead i am learning with my own way and that is to observe and study first before betting .

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I'm not sure if I could understand it well, so the casino hire a streamer and use the casinos money to fight with the pool versus own money or individual players? I really think that the advantage would go into casino since they do have a lot of money versus individual and non-paid gamblers. Let's come to think of it, even though they are not going to use a streamer they can create an account themselves and compete with the individual players.

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Quote from: ninkdwi on September 02, 2021, 03:14:35 PM

because from the very beginning their goal is not to gamble but to work, because it is like gambling but it really isn't.
they only do promotional work on behalf of themselves even though it has been set in such a way to make it look like real.
but this is just a job they do for profit and for those who watch shows like this and believe that it is genuine it is their aim to get traction so that the place or site they promote can run well so that they too can be well paid .
regardless of their reaction or fun and MMR they don't care about it all they care about is work, promotion in gambling, getting paid and done nothing more.

Then wouldn't it be the same for professional gamblers? By that logic, then their reactions and whatnot are pretty much fake as well. I may be going out of topic here, but the same could be said for other professional sports players out there who receive money via advertisements and whatnot. They receive money just by playing, so does that mean they aren't really playing? The perspective you're looking at from affiliates seem to force them to be the wrong ones when in reality, they're just doing their jobs while most likely enjoying the game no? You're pretty much indicating that work shouldn't be fun or something lmao.

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Promotion is just part of their strategy to get more players to gamble and one of these is having the large names streamers try to gamble to their platform of course they are giving them a token so they can gamble but AFAIK it's just a limit token like the worth of $1000 for their promotion if and just only for whole gambling not to make a withdrawal because they have a separate payment regarding with that. Too hard to believe those steamers that they got a huge profit when playing in this platform because they are paid its just a strategy.

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for me this isn't fair because obviously they are always Positive in their statements and act towards the said casino pointing how good this be and never shown leakage or mistakes things that we know not always happening .
many casinos are taking advantage of players who has no deep knowledge towards online gambling and even if they are getting scammed still they are running nothing to act.
for me streamers must not be trusted in their reviews towards specific casino instead lets look at them as misleading us just to favor for his compensation .

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 02, 2021, 08:24:11 AM

This creates a level of unfairness on the part of the viewers as this convinces them to gamble at a certain gambling website.

That was the goal, to convince people. And I don't know how it became unfair. At the end of the day, viewers have their own preference if they will gamble on that site or not.

I agree. Why is it being unfair when the casinos themselves are actually spending a good deal of money so that their sites would reach their desired audience? Isn't it pretty normal and expected from any business to invest money in whatever ways possible for as long as they're legal so that they will be able to attract users, in this case gamblers?

These casinos are just promoting their sites. They are not forcing gamblers to jump ship or play at their sites. They're just trying to attract them.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 02, 2021, 08:24:11 AM

Unfortunately, the popularity of gambling websites being affiliated by some streamers are widespread nowadays.

Why it became unfortunate? That's the usual way now of promoting certain services today not just on a gambling site. We can't do something about it if there are still streamers who are paying on their own to promote a site. The moment they entered the streaming industry, it's already obvious that they need to spend money first coming from their own pocket to build a reputation before getting the attention of the business owners e.g gambling site operators.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 02, 2021, 08:24:11 AM

This creates a level of unfairness on the part of the viewers as this convinces them to gamble at a certain gambling website.

That was the goal, to convince people. And I don't know how it became unfair. At the end of the day, viewers have their own preference if they will gamble on that site or not.

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It is all fair, casino owners fund them and streamers are responsible for bringing new blood to the casino. Many streamers live with the referral earnings, it is a very nice amount considering the 0.3% of the total house edge earnings that is over 1% in most cases. It is not fair to compete with paid fake streamers for the raw cash gamblers, Syztmz is the only one I know only winning with raw cash real balance.

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Quote from: Wexnident on September 02, 2021, 07:38:19 AM

I think calling the behavior fake 100% is a bit too much. They may be using money not really from them, but the games they are playing are still being played by them. They are still, technically, the ones experiencing the wins and losses in that match. It's like saying someone has no reaction to dropping the mmr of a friend's account since it's his friend's account and not his, right? There may be a difference between losing your money and losing others, but it wouldn't be 100% fake, there would still be some disappointment that stemmed from yourself in there.

because from the very beginning their goal is not to gamble but to work, because it is like gambling but it really isn't.
they only do promotional work on behalf of themselves even though it has been set in such a way to make it look like real.
but this is just a job they do for profit and for those who watch shows like this and believe that it is genuine it is their aim to get traction so that the place or site they promote can run well so that they too can be well paid .
regardless of their reaction or fun and MMR they don't care about it all they care about is work, promotion in gambling, getting paid and done nothing more.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on August 31, 2021, 06:28:17 PM

I wish mcdonald's and assorted fast food franchises would give out more food vouchers to those willing to stream themselves eating in their restaurants. It seems like a natural progression. With the advent of the internet and live streaming the trend may be inevitable. I think the novelty factor will eventually wear thin as people become desensitized to the advertising and hype.

If a streamer can gamble with $100,000+ and fail to profit. That could make for a good crash test dummy system.

I still think sports gambling is the best chance many would have for consistently being profitable in gambling. Gaming and dice aspects are too non-deterministic.

If they gave me $100,000 to gamble on sports & stream it. There's a chance I'll be walking away with more than $100,000. And that's how it should be.

Don't think that's the point here, though.

It's about how the audience is getting the impression that winning is a lot more likely and easier than it is.

Seeing a balance of $100k+ that is fake when you have just a few hundred dollars in your bank account gives you the wrong idea and you tend to think that you are able to make that same profit by gambling on the site that these people are promoting.

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Quote from: hahay on September 01, 2021, 05:51:07 AM

I don't know about that and I don't know what kind of fair form is required in this case. Is it because other streamers who use personal money and then lose have to get compensated but I don't think so, because they are broadcasting only for the purposes of their channel and not to advertise related casinos. right? So yes, I think with the sheer number of casinos available today, any unendorsed streamer could at least use another casino site, but if you still want to beat the house using the advertised casino then you have to be prepared for the consequences. As a gambler you have to be responsible for your own choices, and not about expecting or asking for something fair from the casino concerned. With them or the casino having informed what the percent house edge is in the game concerned, then I think it's a fair thing the casino has done.

That's what I often notice when streamers broadcast live on their YouTube channel. They don't even discuss the deal with the casino that is being used. Or often some bookies who do have affinity with the casino deliberately negotiate in addition to the content itself, they also get compensation from advertisements that they accidentally display on condition that they include their name and gambling website.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on August 31, 2021, 06:28:17 PM

I wish mcdonald's and assorted fast food franchises would give out more food vouchers to those willing to stream themselves eating in their restaurants. It seems like a natural progression. With the advent of the internet and live streaming the trend may be inevitable. I think the novelty factor will eventually wear thin as people become desensitized to the advertising and hype.

Not sure about those eating in their outlets but food brands do sponsor a lot of streamers. For example, there are guys like Matt Stonie who make videos about fast eating and finishing a menu from a particular brand like KYC within a time period. I am not 100% sure but they must be sponsored by the brand because it helps both the streamer and the brand.

Quote from: Hydrogen on August 31, 2021, 06:28:17 PM

If a streamer can gamble with $100,000+ and fail to profit. That could make for a good crash test dummy system.

That's right but the real point is streamers trying to fake that dummy balance as real and hyping their wins.

Quote from: Hydrogen on August 31, 2021, 06:28:17 PM

If they gave me $100,000 to gamble on sports & stream it. There's a chance I'll be walking away with more than $100,000. And that's how it should be.

Well, the funds sponsored by the casino are normally play-only types of funds. You can play, stream and have fun with them but cannot withdraw.

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Quote from: Yogee on August 30, 2021, 11:20:51 AM

This must be a continuation or in relation to your previous topic on RTP. That was a great thread to read by the way.

I don't think there is a need to expand on your RTP argument. There is indeed a level of unfairness there. Anyone with a knowledge on this probably wouldn't bet on the slot or game streamed by the sponsored streamer.

Unfortunately, the popularity of gambling websites being affiliated by some streamers are widespread nowadays. Though these paid streamers gain their cash from the casino itself thereby creating/increasing the cash pool on a certain game, sometimes, they tend to bend the rules and odds to their favor. This creates a level of unfairness on the part of the viewers as this convinces them to gamble at a certain gambling website.

Basically, the money that was lost on these paid streamers are recovered quickly from the scheme they created that attracts new gamblers.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 02, 2021, 01:57:42 AM

You guys must understand this.... The paid Streamers are paid a fixed amount to put up a show. Their actions and behavior when they Win and Loose are fake, because the casinos gave them that money to put up that show.

I think calling the behavior fake 100% is a bit too much. They may be using money not really from them, but the games they are playing are still being played by them. They are still, technically, the ones experiencing the wins and losses in that match. It's like saying someone has no reaction to dropping the mmr of a friend's account since it's his friend's account and not his, right? There may be a difference between losing your money and losing others, but it wouldn't be 100% fake, there would still be some disappointment that stemmed from yourself in there.

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Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

like a company pays an influencer to promote its business. I think it's still fair if it's still in the context of how their promotion works with influencers who they think are suitable for their marketing targets. and usually they get what they win and a certain max. the only people who know how their partnership works are only them.

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These guys are swimming in money with some of them having 40k to 50k subscribers.... Roll Eyes

Because aside from promoting the site they also built their name from scratch and hence become influencers. It's not about being they are paid but to be able to have that kind of big number of subscribers it requires dedication and hard work.

Up to people if they will go with the flow. If a streamer successfully managed to acquire that number of subscribers it means their actions are being graded as a good score to their viewers. The big money they received and earned is the fruit of their effort.

Households earning more than $100,000 globally, stand at 30.7% ....look closely ==> households, so it is the combined income for everyone in that house. Many of these Streamers do not have specific qualifications to do this, apart from a sparkling personality and a few good contacts in the right places. Roll Eyes

Now let's compare Streamers with Doctors === Here we have a Streamer receiving between $50 000 to $100 000 per month and the Global Health Physician Salary of $126,700 per year (top earners (90th percentile) making $214,500 annually across the United States)

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Global-Health-Physician-Salary

Note : The $50 000 to $100 000 is only what the casinos are paying the Streamer and not the other income derived from Subscriptions / Drops / Twitch income... etc. Wink

https://www.ibisworld.com/us/bed/households-earning-more-than-100-000/35/

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 02, 2021, 01:57:42 AM

These guys are swimming in money with some of them having 40k to 50k subscribers.... Roll Eyes

Because aside from promoting the site they also built their name from scratch and hence become influencers. It's not about being they are paid but to be able to have that kind of big number of subscribers it requires dedication and hard work.

Up to people if they will go with the flow. If a streamer successfully managed to acquire that number of subscribers it means their actions are being graded as a good score to their viewers. The big money they received and earned is the fruit of their effort.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 02, 2021, 01:57:42 AM

You guys must understand this.... The paid Streamers are paid a fixed amount to put up a show. Their actions and behavior when they Win and Loose are fake, because the casinos gave them that money to put up that show.

The paid streamer gains income from several sources, like "subscriptions" and payment for the Twitch sessions and a fixed payment from the casino and also "drops" from the viewers and also affiliate income, if they get them to signup with their referral link. Roll Eyes

These guys are swimming in money with some of them having 40k to 50k subscribers.... Roll Eyes

This the common job of these guys and nothing to be bothered by that since they earn there followers by doing tons of streams and promotion for free when they are just starting on there career. It just happened that streamers nowadays is too in demand and there work is the one that can generate tons of profit from gambling industry for there effective promotion. Seems fair and nothings wrong about it unless they are winning the jackpot using the casino free money then that's a different story.

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You guys must understand this.... The paid Streamers are paid a fixed amount to put up a show. Their actions and behavior when they Win and Loose are fake, because the casinos gave them that money to put up that show.

The paid streamer gains income from several sources, like "subscriptions" and payment for the Twitch sessions and a fixed payment from the casino and also "drops" from the viewers and also affiliate income, if they get them to signup with their referral link. Roll Eyes

These guys are swimming in money with some of them having 40k to 50k subscribers.... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 01, 2021, 02:54:19 PM

When you watch a Streamer like "Trainwreckstv" .... and you see him betting $1000 per bet, you distance yourself from betting like that. Nobody in his right mind will drop $1000 per bet on a Slot.... if it was their own money.

I think it's not with the amount that viewers are following but the actions of that streamer regardless of the amount that a viewer is placed.

No one will really follow a $1,000 per bet because that is ridiculous on our part even how loyal and die-hard followers of that streamer are. Regardless of where the funds came from, viewers have to use their common sense that streamers are just trying to make their viewers fall on the bait. That's the role of the streamers, to attract their viewers to do the same.

I agree that viewers should use their common sense! In the end, it's all on us to understand what we are watching and to not fall on everything we see... all that is a part of the marketing strategies, some of them are not ethical and moral, and we all know how far can all that goes just for more viewers!
I think viewers are the crazy ones here, I will use the Big Brother example (in all forms), it's something crazy, but I don't blame the people there and people who created it... they have many viewers, and when there's a demand someone will provide! So clearly these streamers are followed, they just provide what some people want to see... they found a way to earn and they are doing that!

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He is crying over spilled milk, he is not forced to play and stream while he is playing so if he losses it's his decision to play, you don't play and ask for a refund because you are a streamer and you play your own money, that's not fair if you want to offer your service as a streamer then do so, but don't rant because you lose your own money while promoting the gambling site in your stream while others are using casino money.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 01, 2021, 02:54:19 PM

When you watch a Streamer like "Trainwreckstv" .... and you see him betting $1000 per bet, you distance yourself from betting like that. Nobody in his right mind will drop $1000 per bet on a Slot.... if it was their own money.

The other side of the coin is this... he is betting on these Slots and he is feeding those Slots for other people too, so if he does not hit the big wins on those Slots he was feeding... then those Slots are filled for other gamblers to win. (Remember : He is filling those Slots with the casinos money too) Wink

Exactly. And no way have they got enough bankroll to keep them going over the long run.

I think that it's getting to a point where some of the content is bordering on the ridiculous.

People like Foss and juicy are clearly gambling with house money without a care in the world and faking their reactions in order to get people hooked. This is immoral and misleading behaviour and should be condemned.

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And this is why some streaming platforms are trying to limit gambling streams. You have streamers who gamble with their own money and lose big time, while you also other streamers who are affiliates and do not lose anything on their own pocket yet still convey the similar thing: promote gambling to minors who may be watching their streams. I think it’s fair that some are paid-to-play on stream as it’s within their terms. The gambling platform has the right to decide on who they sponsor after all, so no need to get butthurt if other streamers are not chosen for the partnership.

When it comes to selection of streamers then most of companies will really be looking for those most influential one or the one who has more followers because that would really make their spending to be worth
compared into those who do have less.

For terms and conditions in between the platform on where those streams do happen then there's specific regulations which should really be followed which i do consider
for it to be ethical.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 01, 2021, 02:54:19 PM

The other side of the coin is this... he is betting on these Slots and he is feeding those Slots for other people too, so if he does not hit the big wins on those Slots he was feeding... then those Slots are filled for other gamblers to win. (Remember : He is filling those Slots with the casinos money too) Wink

Hmm, thinking this way it doesn't look so bad, right?

But to say the truth I think this kind of advertisement is being more negative than positive for casinos. Everyone is aware about streamers using fake money to gamble and most opinions from the public I've seen reject this concept of propaganda. These guys are actually ruining their reputations as social influencers by pretending to gamble insane amounts of money they wouldn't for real.

I believe casinos should change their marketing strategy. Instead of giving fake money to streamers, just increase their payrates, so they will have to use real money in order to gamble. And of course, they will keep the bets under a reasonable and realistic size, because if the gambler makes huge bets, it will be blatantly obvious that is a fake gambling session leading to unconvincing marketing campaign in my opinion.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 01, 2021, 02:54:19 PM

When you watch a Streamer like "Trainwreckstv" .... and you see him betting $1000 per bet, you distance yourself from betting like that. Nobody in his right mind will drop $1000 per bet on a Slot.... if it was their own money.

I think it's not with the amount that viewers are following but the actions of that streamer regardless of the amount that a viewer is placed.

No one will really follow a $1,000 per bet because that is ridiculous on our part even how loyal and die-hard followers of that streamer are. Regardless of where the funds came from, viewers have to use their common sense that streamers are just trying to make their viewers fall on the bait. That's the role of the streamers, to attract their viewers to do the same.

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for now there are so many things like that and indeed they do things that are profitable for them as well as for the casino itself, this is tantamount to a symbiotic mutualism (in their eyes).
but on the other hand there are still many people who are deceived by this kind of trick and indeed still think it is true even though it is an arrangement made between the person who is paid and the casino itself.
On the other hand, actually things like this are not taboo, it's like it's an open secret because if I'm not mistaken there was once a streamer who made a mistake while livestreaming which at that time he accidentally showed a conversation between him and one of the casinos that offered this kind of thing but refused because there are other sites (casinos) that offer a larger nominal.
actually it's legal because they benefit from each other but for beginners who don't understand this they will follow the same thing with the same hope when in reality it won't be like that.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 01, 2021, 02:54:19 PM

When you watch a Streamer like "Trainwreckstv" .... and you see him betting $1000 per bet, you distance yourself from betting like that. Nobody in his right mind will drop $1000 per bet on a Slot.... if it was their own money.

The other side of the coin is this... he is betting on these Slots and he is feeding those Slots for other people too, so if he does not hit the big wins on those Slots he was feeding... then those Slots are filled for other gamblers to win. (Remember : He is filling those Slots with the casinos money too) Wink

Until proving that the casino gives him money to play (not just a paiement for streaming the platform), we can't say that the casino is sheating when one of its streamer promoters drop 1000$ per bet on a slot. If you distance yourself from betting like that, this doesn't mean that he is not using his own money.
From another side, if the casino does really give him big money to play crazy bets and pay him for streaming promotion, i can guess that the winnings are not real, neither withdrawable .

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And this is why some streaming platforms are trying to limit gambling streams. You have streamers who gamble with their own money and lose big time, while you also other streamers who are affiliates and do not lose anything on their own pocket yet still convey the similar thing: promote gambling to minors who may be watching their streams. I think it’s fair that some are paid-to-play on stream as it’s within their terms. The gambling platform has the right to decide on who they sponsor after all, so no need to get butthurt if other streamers are not chosen for the partnership.

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When you watch a Streamer like "Trainwreckstv" .... and you see him betting $1000 per bet, you distance yourself from betting like that. Nobody in his right mind will drop $1000 per bet on a Slot.... if it was their own money.

The other side of the coin is this... he is betting on these Slots and he is feeding those Slots for other people too, so if he does not hit the big wins on those Slots he was feeding... then those Slots are filled for other gamblers to win. (Remember : He is filling those Slots with the casinos money too) Wink

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This paid-streamer topic has been in discussion for a long time now. I think if the stream mentions about the sponsored funds, it's completely safe and sound to play with the money. If the streamer is hiding the fact, that the money is sponsored to him from the casino, it's not morally correct. I have seen some streamers jumping after big wins even when the money is quite surely funded by the casino and those wins are not real neither withdrawable.

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Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

As much I hate those paid streamers, I am not sure why Syztmz is so upset about the whole situation. No one forced him to use funds more than he can afford to play with. I also thought Syztmz was more a player than an affiliate when I saw his name on top in stake races.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 01, 2021, 12:31:50 PM

We should also consider this paid streamers devoted time into promoting this sites. Gambling is a game of risk if the unpaid gamblers feel cheated they should also act wisely and decide to also promote this sites not just been engulfed by the amount of odds they are willing to stake without taking detailed notes of some adverts with vital information

That's why it's fair against him and it's unfair for them.to get called out just because they were sponsored by the website. As @Zilon said, they've devoted some time in promoting those sites so getting called out is not really a good way to address the issue plus it made him an ass.

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We should also consider this paid streamers devoted time into promoting this sites. Gambling is a game of risk if the unpaid gamblers feel cheated they should also act wisely and decide to also promote this sites not just been engulfed by the amount of odds they are willing to stake without taking detailed notes of some adverts with vital information

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Quote from: AicecreaME on August 31, 2021, 08:50:33 AM

Obviously, paid streamers to promote certain gambling sites will always win if he use that money on that certain casino but will never be able to withdraw that money, instead the casino will pay different money to that streamer, that's the truth behind it.

Is it fair to those who are not paid? Well, my opinion about that is no. Gambling houses never made to be fair, the odds are always on their side, because that's how it works, that's why gambling has a huge risk when playing. For you to make it fair, you just have to be smart, why play believing that you could also make money just like the paid streamer if the house doesn't even know you, right? I hope that does make sense.

Well, even if the money or balance was loaded by the casino owners and non-withdrawable, doesn't it make sense that the streamer is expected to lose more money than he is supposed to win.

Imagine if the streamer is given $10k and he starts streaming then by the end of the stream he must be in loss overall because these slots juice money out of you like nothing.

If the streamer is losing money overall and even if that's paid by the casino, it doesn't matter too much because viewers will see how costly playing these slot games are. Am I missing something here or how is the streamer funded by casinos winning more than others.

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I don't know about that and I don't know what kind of fair form is required in this case. Is it because other streamers who use personal money and then lose have to get compensated but I don't think so, because they are broadcasting only for the purposes of their channel and not to advertise related casinos. right? So yes, I think with the sheer number of casinos available today, any unendorsed streamer could at least use another casino site, but if you still want to beat the house using the advertised casino then you have to be prepared for the consequences. As a gambler you have to be responsible for your own choices, and not about expecting or asking for something fair from the casino concerned. With them or the casino having informed what the percent house edge is in the game concerned, then I think it's a fair thing the casino has done.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 01, 2021, 02:51:12 AM

I don't think it would be unfair since most players don't focus on the advertisers and streamers but on the gambling site. Also, streamers have a huge part since they're advertising and promoting every gambling site so they deserve to get paid. Streamers especially those who are well known in their field are actually an attraction to a site that could also attract more players that would be beneficial to the site.

Exactly. If the audience focuses on the streamers, they will not ask if the streamers are getting paid the gambling site or just playing gambling on that site. Besides that, the audience is trying to search for the tip or the strategy or even just watching how the streamers played. Maybe the gambling considered hiring the popular streamers to gain more members from the video so they can get more income while the streamers help them promoting the site.

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I don't think it would be unfair since most players don't focus on the advertisers and streamers but on the gambling site. Also, streamers have a huge part since they're advertising and promoting every gambling site so they deserve to get paid. Streamers especially those who are well known in their field are actually an attraction to a site that could also attract more players that would be beneficial to the site.

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What's not fair here? Somebody pays and then joins the game. Nobody joins the game without making the payment to the pool. It just so happens that other players are paying not out of their own pocket but from the pocket of the casino. Does it matter, though? Is that necessarily unfair? I don't think so. As a matter of fact, the higher risk is on the side of the casino. For making games more interesting and the reward pool much bigger, the casino has to invest a significant amount to paid players. If they win, much of the prize is coming from them. If a non-paid player wins, the prize is big thanks to a good number of players who are joining using the casino money.

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There is nothing wrong with that because the casinos will see how that streamer can influence their audience and help the casino get more visitors. If the casino gives the free money to the streamer, that will be part of the promotions from the casino and as long as the streamer does the job, it won't be a matter. Maybe people would see that is not fair but it is about how the promotions go and how people will take care of themselves watching those streamers promote the casino.

- First, it's necessary to differentiate between the gambler/streamer who uses his own money (which is completely legit) , and the one who is paid by the casino to do so (the casino paid him from streaming and not giving him money to play) which is also legit fair imo .
- Second, it's an untrusted casino if he paid gamblers/streamer and give him money to play and win from the house funds itself. Besides, i can't blame a streamer (gambler at first place) if he accepts such an offer .

The public will never know if that gambler/streamer has been paid by the casino or use his own money because the gambler/streamer shows his play on that site. Out of that, the public only knows that he plays gambling, and some know that he promotes the site. But for the other gamblers who are often playing on various gambling sites will know that the gambler/streamer is getting paid from the casino.

We can say that it is an untrusted casino if the casino does that but for them, that is their method to promote their site and that works for them. The gambler will accept the offers if the money is good.

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I wish mcdonald's and assorted fast food franchises would give out more food vouchers to those willing to stream themselves eating in their restaurants. It seems like a natural progression. With the advent of the internet and live streaming the trend may be inevitable. I think the novelty factor will eventually wear thin as people become desensitized to the advertising and hype.

If a streamer can gamble with $100,000+ and fail to profit. That could make for a good crash test dummy system.

I still think sports gambling is the best chance many would have for consistently being profitable in gambling. Gaming and dice aspects are too non-deterministic.

If they gave me $100,000 to gamble on sports & stream it. There's a chance I'll be walking away with more than $100,000. And that's how it should be.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) Wink

I'm completely on the side of Syztmz here.

I think that it is absolutely absurd that people are able to play with fake money and pass it off as if they were playing with their own money.

It's not only unfair to the other streamers who have actually put their own capital at risk, but also misleading advertising that could potentially get people into deep trouble. People like xposed on Twitch are notorious for this stuff and good thing that Twitch is starting to crack down.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 31, 2021, 03:53:25 AM

Ok, there seems to be a lot of people who are in favor of Streamers being paid to stream by the casinos. Now I wonder if these people are actually just in favor of that, because these Streamers are doing "giveaways" and if this is stopped... then these "Giveaways" will also dry up. Roll Eyes

Apart from this, sponsored fund streamers usually play with huge balance and tend to waget atleast $100 on each spin so some people loves that. In term of entertainment purposes, it far more entertaining to watch someone play with a high amount so most of sponsored fund streamers usually get alot more share of viewers on their stream

Also, Syztmz is not the target here... he is just an example of someone that are not being paid by the casinos... and you see "raw" gambling and emotions with him, that you will not see with paid gamblers. (Your emotions are totally different when you play with your own money)

I do not like it when people play with huge amounts, I mean what is the point of having some billionaire looking guy wagering a thousand bucks per spin? I know I can never reach that, and I know that all that money is fake and he can't withdraw it neither, he will just be paid from the company and that's it.

I like it when there are people who wager with real amounts trying to achieve a level, like they want to buy a new pc and saving up money for it, but they also gamble a little each week when they get their check too, which is the most awesome part about it. I personally would prefer it if we could manage to make some money like that as well, get in with like 20-30 bucks and get out with 300 bucks and buy something with it, then go ahead with another 20-30 bucks and make money and keep doing that. However due to house edge, that's impossible in the long term.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 31, 2021, 12:53:20 AM

There is nothing wrong with that because the casinos will see how that streamer can influence their audience and help the casino get more visitors. If the casino gives the free money to the streamer, that will be part of the promotions from the casino and as long as the streamer does the job, it won't be a matter. Maybe people would see that is not fair but it is about how the promotions go and how people will take care of themselves watching those streamers promote the casino.

- First, it's necessary to differentiate between the gambler/streamer who uses his own money (which is completely legit) , and the one who is paid by the casino to do so (the casino paid him from streaming and not giving him money to play) which is also legit fair imo .
- Second, it's an untrusted casino if he paid gamblers/streamer and give him money to play and win from the house funds itself. Besides, i can't blame a streamer (gambler at first place) if he accepts such an offer .

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Quote from: AicecreaME on August 31, 2021, 08:50:33 AM

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You just need to know that the rules of gambling work so that your chances of winning are always lower than your chances of losing. This information is in the public domain and is not hidden from anyone. So why isn't the game fair if all the information is available and you play of your own free will?

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Obviously, paid streamers to promote certain gambling sites will always win if he use that money on that certain casino but will never be able to withdraw that money, instead the casino will pay different money to that streamer, that's the truth behind it.

Is it fair to those who are not paid? Well, my opinion about that is no. Gambling houses never made to be fair, the odds are always on their side, because that's how it works, that's why gambling has a huge risk when playing. For you to make it fair, you just have to be smart, why play believing that you could also make money just like the paid streamer if the house doesn't even know you, right? I hope that does make sense.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 31, 2021, 03:53:25 AM

Ok, there seems to be a lot of people who are in favor of Streamers being paid to stream by the casinos. Now I wonder if these people are actually just in favor of that, because these Streamers are doing "giveaways" and if this is stopped... then these "Giveaways" will also dry up. Roll Eyes

Apart from this, sponsored fund streamers usually play with huge balance and tend to waget atleast $100 on each spin so some people loves that. In term of entertainment purposes, it far more entertaining to watch someone play with a high amount so most of sponsored fund streamers usually get alot more share of viewers on their stream

Quote from: Kakmakr on August 31, 2021, 03:53:25 AM

The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?) Huh

There has been some wild rumours back then that most sponsored fund streamers usually has higher RTP compared with the other regular player because the sites want to induce the viewers that they can win quite often in those sites which is why most of those sponsored fund streamers ended up winning like atleast 5-10x of their starting balance easily

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 31, 2021, 03:53:25 AM

The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?) Huh

Probably yes. Think of it that they're an accomplice with the online casino. They'll bet huge amount leaving the other players with almost no chance of winning.
Nevertheless, why does people keep following these paid streamers. I mean there are obvious one, which was different that has been mentioned by the OP about identifying a genuine reactions from non-paid streamers when winning or lossing.
Well people follows paid streamers, maybe because of the giveaways, but crap people are actually believing that winning in the casino is as easy as those they've seen streaming on Twitch lol.

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The online casinos want advertising.Social media influencers and streamers can provide them with traffic and eyeballs,so the casinos are paying for that advertising.Gambling with money that came from the casino doesn't seem unfair.Perhaps this is a requirement made by the casino.
The casino owner might say to the streamer "Look,we will pay you X amount of crypto/USD,but you have to bet a part of that money and broadcast yourself while gambling on our platform,otherwise there's no deal."
Is this unfair?No,if the casino is legit and the games are "probably fair" then I don't see a problem.
At the end of the day,gambling is all about luck,so competition doesn't matter than much.
The problem occurs,if the casino is doing sketchy stuff and the games are made up,so particular people could win.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on August 30, 2021, 12:33:31 PM

It's fair because non paid streamers wanted to play at those casinos not wanting the site to sponsor them it's a bit of a snowflake situation in regards to what that streamer says in his live stream, it's his choice so why get mad over that idea that it's unfair.

I think that's the case here, I mean why would you rant about yourself not being sponsored by the gambling sites that you're playing on when you voluntarily wanted to not get one? I think he's probably mad that those streamers are richer than him in some way.

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When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

i think you are funding them but i guess there are still a way for a small bettor to win in this type of slots because if not then it doesnt make sense to play on them . streamers that are paid to play have no risk but they can only earn at the end even if they loose in the slots game .

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Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

thats interisting but if we look at it ,
he could still be a loser at the end because he uses his own money and the other doesnt although he looks like a big gambler and he can potentially snatch the prize pool if he gets lucky .

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Obviously it's not fair if you are the gambler (not paid) to stream. Imagine if they have the knowledge that the funds that should be in the pool are just being given away to paid streamers. I don't have much knowledge about this but is there a chance those paid streamers could win the prize pool?
If they can, that will be a fucked up gambling site.
So now I know why this other guy made a thread about finding a list of Twitch and Youtube gambling streamers. He may really want to just avoid them and have a fair and enjoyable game.

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The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?) Huh

Who knows? Can we ask gambling sites about this? I mean, they might answer it but I doubt it will be the truth. Perhaps they could use transactions records that will be transparent to the players about funds given to paid streamers and the prize pool as another contract address that will not be moved unless there's a winner.

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Ok, there seems to be a lot of people who are in favor of Streamers being paid to stream by the casinos. Now I wonder if these people are actually just in favor of that, because these Streamers are doing "giveaways" and if this is stopped... then these "Giveaways" will also dry up. Roll Eyes

Also, Syztmz is not the target here... he is just an example of someone that are not being paid by the casinos... and you see "raw" gambling and emotions with him, that you will not see with paid gamblers. (Your emotions are totally different when you play with your own money)

The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?) Huh

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Definitely not fair. I have been a strong advocate against this stuff since day one.

It's not fair for other competing streamers nor the consumers who are actually having to watch this stuff. It's misleading advertising at best and fraud at worst given that what they are doing is enticing people into playing with a misrepresentation of the chances that you are able to win at their games.

I would avoid any casino that pays for these streaming partnerships with play money, and any streamers that knowingly complies with these agreements.

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He has the option of getting sponsorship; he's well-known on the platform, so it should be easy for him to find a sponsor, right? Very unfair.

That's exactly what he should've done if he wanted to be fair for him with other sponsored streamers but he goes on and rants about this BS that it's unfair, it's like saying don't do pay to win in a pay to win game.

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There is nothing wrong with that because the casinos will see how that streamer can influence their audience and help the casino get more visitors. If the casino gives the free money to the streamer, that will be part of the promotions from the casino and as long as the streamer does the job, it won't be a matter. Maybe people would see that is not fair but it is about how the promotions go and how people will take care of themselves watching those streamers promote the casino.

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It's fair I think? I mean, it's technically the streamers capability that let them be able to become affiliates of the said gambling site or whatnot, plus, the casino themselves are doing said affiliates for advertisements and endorsements, I don't really see anything wrong with it. The streamers also get paid since they actually do something for the casino, so I don't entirely see what's wrong with it. It may seem unfair but we are trying to limit the scope to money that came from the casino after all, and not really the "how" did that happen kind of thing. It's like saying money earned from the lottery when used against someone who worked hard isn't fair kind fo thing.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

Kind of curious here. If he had some concerns like that since then why still risk that big amount of money for the sake of playing on the specific site if there's something wrong with the system that has already been on his mind for long.

I think he can easily make partnerships with gambling sites knowing his influence and a good number of followers. He didn't try it before but instead, wait for proposals to come?

Anyways, can you provide the link to that content? I want to watch it for me to learn some more details and information.

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The streamer you were talking about used his own money under his own accord, the gambling casinos that he is playing in did not beg him to play with them so I don't see the reason for his complaints. These paid streamers get paid because there is risk in streaming casino games in their channel. Imagine a big streamer, known for solely playing League of Legends one day starting to stream casino games either full time or on the side, there's a huge possibility of him/her losing viewership which could cause loss of profit, so the payment these casinos give as sponsorship is a fair compensation for when that event happens.

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I think that most streamers are getting no real bonus against the house. While their money is coming from the casinos, they are still playing the same games the average gambler is playing. The only difference is that the losses are not hurting the streamer. It is much easier to gamble if it is not your own money you are losing. In the end the streamer provides advertising which means more gamblers will join the game and increase the jackpot.

This too, I noticed some streamers winning way above average but most of them lose just as much as a regular player who doesn't stream would. That being said, in-house losses are the only thing that the streamer is shielded from, viewership and donations may also be affected because why would I watch someone play poker when I can switch to someone else who I know plays videogames at the same instance?

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The Roshtein and TrainwrecksTv just got $2mln hits on Plinko for $2k base bets, it is no a coincidence. Probably Stake team requires them to play on house games instead of all-day spinning thousands on useless slots, anyways it is the money of the Stake team, these streamers have to do whatever Eddie asks to do. It shouldn't be a problem for fake money streamers with million-dollar balances, the real streamers(Syztmz are the innocent victim of the bloody marketing cycle. It is obviously not fair to compete with the fake money streamers with raw capital.

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Are streamer really using their own money to play on the casinos? Are you gonna agree on this one or it is being on the contract that you will be using the money of casinos and later on, you’ll get your real payment at a specific time. Those streamer wont risk a $100k just to show off that Casinos, so I believe they are being funded to make a stream and when they done playing their wages will be paid and the same cycle continues.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) Wink

Anyone who is watching gambling streams (except for Poker) is basically watching one long advertisement. As you say, the vast majority of streamers playing on such sites will be using casino money and definitely have their accounts rigged to give a false impression of winning - or they may even win as a calculated means of payment for their services. The only exception will be those few players, who having more money than sense and a large income stream, are willing to throw tens of thousands away to entertain their streamer fan base. Honestly, you should stay away from this section of twitch because it is all a faked illusion to draw in more money for the casinos.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) Wink

I strongly believe that paid streamers are merely businessmen and women. They are not true gamblers. They don’t have anything to lose whatsoever. They bear no risk at all even at so called big stakes. They are recruited to bring in the big bucks for casinos at the expense of responsible gamblers and folks with gambling issues. Non-paid/responsible gamblers, must realize that they are not playing by the same rule(s) with the paid streamer and that the game is probably “rigged” in favour of the paid streamer.

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It's fair because non paid streamers wanted to play at those casinos not wanting the site to sponsor them it's a bit of a snowflake situation in regards to what that streamer says in his live stream, it's his choice so why get mad over that idea that it's unfair.

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Quote from: zanezane on August 30, 2021, 10:07:44 AM

Kind of sounds like Syztmz is ranting about how special he is for not being sponsored and how rich he is that he doesn't bat an eye losing his own money in gambling and a considerable amount at that. I think it's fair but it's unfair that he calls out streamers that gets sponsored because you don't do that as a content creator that has sponsors, you don't target their money makers especially if they didn't do anything wrong.

It's obvious that it's unjust; we're in different situations, and it's his choice to gamble a lot of money and doesn't care if he loses because gambling is his true passion. So he shouldn't compare his situation to that of other streamers by criticizing those who have sponsors simply because he doesn't have one.

He has the option of getting sponsorship; he's well-known on the platform, so it should be easy for him to find a sponsor, right? Very unfair.

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Syztmz earns a lot of money from advertising the casino as well as from its interesting content. Like on Twitch, there are many streamers who will offer their services and take advantage of the casino's advantages by asking for the desired payout amount. In exchange, the streamer can bring in many gamblers to be more active and bring in new gamblers. To be fair or not, since it's only been seen as a casino advertising method so far, I think both sides will benefit.

However, what is clear is that Syztmz who do live broadcasts must also reach the target of at least 20% of the promo profits they spread while streaming.

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This must be a continuation or in relation to your previous topic on RTP. That was a great thread to read by the way.

I don't think there is a need to expand on your RTP argument. There is indeed a level of unfairness there. Anyone with a knowledge on this probably wouldn't bet on the slot or game streamed by the sponsored streamer.

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I think the paid streamers are earning from those who have used their affiliate links and deposits in their new account in that certain casino. I think it's both a win-win situation for the streamer and the casino itself because they are being exposed to the audience of the said streamer.

Those who have a different situation, like those using the casinos' money and who are there for them to entertain, have a different agenda. It's to show how credible the site is and how they can "earn" money from playing there, and from that point on, new people can be hooked or something. It will be difficult to justify how much they can do on a certain casino, but that's their benefit from being a streamer. It's just like that.

When I read this, it seems like they have the power to make "volume" and "activity" on the site, so I guess it's for show entirely unless it's a reputable site already or something.

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$2M a month for playing their own money in their casino. now i already have a new dream job. i'm not really watching these kind of video on twitch or youtube. but accidentally stumbled upon a video on youtube upon watching EOS updates. can't remember the name of the channel but the streamer is promoting sportbet.one. seem not a very successful campaign for that guy.

but having Millions to spend to assure winning for the pool is low risk for the casino. and high risk for gamblers. yes its not fair to a newbie thats full of hope to win the money pot.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) Wink

The topic that big streamers on twitch are sponsored heavily by big online casinos if they stream a certain amount of time during their twitch stream and also post videos of their biggest winnings afterwards on their youtube channel isn't new. In June a big twich streamer named adin ross made a mistake and showed a discord chat on stream where it is obvious that he was offered nearly 2M $ for a month from a casino if he plays on their site. He rejected that offer because another platform made an even bigger offer.
see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BE-XJqQS0A
So we are dealing with really crazy high numbers here. Of course it those paid streamer have the biggest chance to win in one of those pool-based games, but that is just how it is.
Celebrities that have millions of dollars and could easily afford any luxury watch that they like get them for free.

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The main factors that every gambling addict needs to pay attention to are: not on the basis of the prospect of winning, in gambling the behavior that is often owned by gambling addicts, motivation is based on their individual habits, no matter lose and win casino money and so on.

The prospect of winning and having a lot of money is one of the strongest factors that gambling addicts often mention, which is fun and exciting, even if you lose the risk still want adrenaline and endorphins in your soul, that's someone's level in casino money, sometimes there are many things that can be done to attract slot or casino players by adding credits and these bonuses will trigger the mind of every gambler to win big the next time or in the next game, even if you lose, you still have the feeling to return to the slot machine, the most serious risk.

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Kind of sounds like Syztmz is ranting about how special he is for not being sponsored and how rich he is that he doesn't bat an eye losing his own money in gambling and a considerable amount at that. I think it's fair but it's unfair that he calls out streamers that gets sponsored because you don't do that as a content creator that has sponsors, you don't target their money makers especially if they didn't do anything wrong.

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Most of the players or the gamblers who are paid at the ones who are really into the whole thing and are good at it, they are streaming for a while and have maintained their image in the industry. Therefore I think this might be taken as a form of advertising. Which is completely okay, this is something that all the big companies do very often. The advertisements we see on televisions are all based on something like that, so I do believe that we cannot make a fair argument against them until and unless the contract states that they have to be really +ve about everything, they have to only say good things about the game/casino. If the review is fair then there is nothing that should be considered wrong on the first place.

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I think it's fair because Syztmz decided on his own volition to broadcast his gambling journey to the people and he wasn't forced by the casino to play them in his streams so I think it's fair that he loses his own money. That's my take on this discussion.

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So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) Wink

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