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What are you speaking about? People need truth, people need democracy. That is why we are seeing so many protests this year. I believe that in the future, systems will collapse due to the fact that they are built on restrictions. People no longer need cells, which means they will try to escape from them. I believe cryptocurrency will play an important role in all this.

Personally, I do not like Democracy at all. And they protest for Black Man, not for our economy. From my point of view, the economy is the fundamental of a country' strength. Humanities is a big issue but I do not like how people turn it into a riot to force Trump listening to them

In this presidential election, Trump has won 72,308,420 and still counting. This number is ranked 2nd since the beginning of the USA. And as the result, many people still believe in Trump and how he deals with the economy. And many people vote for Biden because they just dislike Trump.

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What are you speaking about? People need truth, people need democracy. That is why we are seeing so many protests this year. I believe that in the future, systems will collapse due to the fact that they are built on restrictions. People no longer need cells, which means they will try to escape from them. I believe cryptocurrency will play an important role in all this.

It's too early to tell, we are betting on cryptcurrencies future but the centralized system is still very powerful that they are in control of the regulation. Without a centralized system, I think there's going to be no law and order and world will be in chaos.

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Vaccine is still on its infant stages and nothing that we should be hyped about, just finding a %90 successful vaccine formula is not the same as manufacturing and selling it to the world, that will take a long time before it happens and until that day comes, there will be other places that will find vaccine as well (which will be released later obviously but at least found in formula).

What we should be worried about right now would be the lives already lost, jobs already lost, and lives that has been ruined by it already. We are moving towards digital age because many companies realized they do not need workers to be present at the offices and that causes a lot of high paying jobs to become cheaper and this makes all the entry level jobs lucrative to move over-seas. Digital is not always better, it could hurt people as well.

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Economies in all countries are in bad shape due to pandemic and it's been s tough year everywhere. US is not an exception and their economy is also suffering. I don't think that the results of elections will make it worse, why would that happen.
I don't think why some people think that the former president has done something extraordinary for economy, I don't see such results. Besides, the consequences of his personal economy politics in his business will be visible very soon when different judicial processes will start.

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Quote from: Cling18 on November 12, 2020, 02:37:04 AM

The election is necessary for each country but it doesn't mean that our situation would get worse. Why don't we look at the brighter side of life instead of doubting our government? The government can't end the problems that we're going through but let's give them a chance to lead us and decide what's best for us.

Okay first of all I think he is just talking about the US because not all countries will have elections this year and I think that the government will not immediately jump into increasing citizen's taxes, inflation etc. because if they do they just like slowly killing their people and the country itself so I doubt it. and I am with you in letting government what's the best for us because at the end of the day, it is us that voted them so might as well believe and them that everything will be under control but it will be a rough road because at the end of the day we are all victims here.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Where are you coming from if you have issues and problems about the world, don't bring it here, we are ok we are moving up and things are going great in the industry, you are posting on the wrong forum you should post all your concern on forums about politics and legal system, bring your worry and woes there.

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If Beijing Biden wants to do the green new deal and raising taxes, the US economy would likely slow down. But the world economy is not solely determined by the US economy, so it would just floating around support and resistance level except there are shocks in the supply chain (fundamental shock). Covid is one of the major issues, but the vaccine will be ready soon.

Anyways, for US citizens, enjoy what socialism brings to your economy Grin

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The election is necessary for each country but it doesn't mean that our situation would get worse. Why don't we look at the brighter side of life instead of doubting our government? The government can't end the problems that we're going through but let's give them a chance to lead us and decide what's best for us.

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well atleast vaccine is about to go out so the problems you mentioned some of them aren't gonna happen but maybe we gonna see some dramatic change in policy and restriction by the US against crypto or anything that affects economy worldwide.
But honestly it's not gonna be any different than it is right now. Back then trump said he gonna make wall at all cost then turns out there's no wall but 5miles. it's all just campaign gimmicks man.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

What's going to happen that haven't been seen before? There is no year that can be worse like 2020 again, 2020 was so bad because of the pandemic and now that things are starting to recover slowly that's the end, let's stop hoping for a bad future please and start hoping for a better future instead.

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Many people have died due to the virus it has had a negative impact on the whole world but i don't think 2021 will be a good time to improve everything this year it will depend on our thinking everything negative brings with it something bad. Therefore we have to try to move forward with positive thinking despite the impact of the virus on people everyone has improved a lot from before everything is being restarted which is why the new year is going to be better this is very good news of crypto.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2020, 06:43:43 PM

Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

Those things you told are already normal things we deal with everyday, nothing new.

I don't think 2021 will be the worst. It's the year of adjustment. We already being in the worst and that was this year, 2020.

The ramblings of someone will not be taken heed of as always. I agree that a lot of shit that could turn doomsday clock past midnight is happening. In my opinion, if the protocols to prevent pandemic are upped and is efficient, I think we are far from worse. OP should focus on improving oneself so that one has an impact to the people around and then do some steps to help the community even by little. There are a lot of negativities and it is up to us whether we wallow in that place or make a difference no matter small.

The environment influences negative everywhere. The virus is still there and no cure or vaccine that could help us getting back into what really normal is about. This new normal is abnormal and we do not like last this forever. Many are affected and I do believe that OP is right it has been a year full of negative things that has happen. Whoever, started in getting this virus hopefully he will think of conscience and guilt of how many people are dead and are struggling because of the virus.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2020, 06:43:43 PM

Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

Those things you told are already normal things we deal with everyday, nothing new.

I don't think 2021 will be the worst. It's the year of adjustment. We already being in the worst and that was this year, 2020.

The ramblings of someone will not be taken heed of as always. I agree that a lot of shit that could turn doomsday clock past midnight is happening. In my opinion, if the protocols to prevent pandemic are upped and is efficient, I think we are far from worse. OP should focus on improving oneself so that one has an impact to the people around and then do some steps to help the community even by little. There are a lot of negativities and it is up to us whether we wallow in that place or make a difference no matter small.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

It is well! You sound like some from Nigeria, because the police brutality protest just concluded.The more our leaders are not ready to coperate with us , the More they face protest from citizens and most citizen now are ready to fight violently to be in good positions. We vote those leaders into power , they must always remember that our well-being is their project, that's what they signed for.. Asides the leaders, the world economy tends to depreciate too anyway due to the lockdown,I guess.

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Quote from: sana54210 on November 10, 2020, 04:29:43 PM

Politicians will always need money from donations and they will always need votes from the people, so they are never free and they can never do anything they want just because they want to. Even when they do something good they do it not because they just want to, but because they want more votes from doing something good.
If you tell any politician that they will gain 10%+ more votes for punching a wall, they will punch the wall as hard as they can without caring about breaking their fingers, because those type of people become politicians and get votes from people. So now we have to consider, will doing something good get politicians more votes, or will doing something bad get them more votes? It sounds like an easy answer but in reality there are plenty of times when doing bad got you more votes.

Politicians do what the voters want, but they would like to do nothing themselves, because this is their profession. It seems that no one is very indignant when the employer does not think much for a long time and dismisses an employee who, instead of performing his direct professional duties, is engaged in performing actions that are pleasant only to himself. It is good when it coincides, but very often there is no coincidence. No matter how we speak, but still democracy is a little veiled power of the majority and some seem to be bad things seem good for others and Vice versa.

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Politicians will always need money from donations and they will always need votes from the people, so they are never free and they can never do anything they want just because they want to. Even when they do something good they do it not because they just want to, but because they want more votes from doing something good.

If you tell any politician that they will gain 10%+ more votes for punching a wall, they will punch the wall as hard as they can without caring about breaking their fingers, because those type of people become politicians and get votes from people. So now we have to consider, will doing something good get politicians more votes, or will doing something bad get them more votes? It sounds like an easy answer but in reality there are plenty of times when doing bad got you more votes.

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Quote from: Genemind on November 10, 2020, 10:41:46 AM

I think you're being too negative and that won't help dude. There's no such thing as a perfect government so let's give them a chance to prove themselves first. I think its too early to predict about their leadership system. Even before the elections, lots of countries are already struggling and it's normal not just for the US but in most countries. Let's just hope for a better government this time. We also have duties and responsibilities as normal citizens.

Just my opinion maybe Joe Bidden have different think how bitcoin could give impact for increasing United State economic, look both president between Donald Trump and Joe Bidden have different way whit their economic system for adopting in United State. During Donald Trump become president there are nothing get for bitcoin member and Donald Trump become most hatter for bitcoin as legal currency payment with many time his bad tweet for Bitcoin, but now he is gone and have give his power as president United State to Joe Bidden and we are waiting for what Joe Bidden implementation for bitcoin in United State, give good or bad.

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I think you're being too negative and that won't help dude. There's no such thing as a perfect government so let's give them a chance to prove themselves first. I think its too early to predict about their leadership system. Even before the elections, lots of countries are already struggling and it's normal not just for the US but in most countries. Let's just hope for a better government this time. We also have duties and responsibilities as normal citizens.

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Please don't anticipate that there will be something bad will gonna happen in the year of 2021 because many people are expecting that everything will turn back to normal. I do know that war in other countries, natural disasters, pandemic of COVID-19, death of our loved ones, and other suffering in our lives is hard to prevent or to stop because it's part of life, but I still hope that 2021 will be different for the greater good.

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It might not be as difficult as you thought. Though, each presidency with their unique way of ruling people and delivering campaigns promises. I just their would be changes but not certain about the amount of degree.
My concern is Btc pattern, I hope it doesn't repeat 2017 crash. It was all fine during October and November 2017 until December came in and then everything began to fall back. Election is over, no new cruise news Grin

Stay positive everyone, it can never be bad as 2020. We have seen enough.

I think we are in a better position than 2017, the bitcoin price is so strong at the moment that I don't see such a bit risk of a price drop. But even if the price would drop 20% we are still fine in my opinion. If we all keep believing in bitcoins there is no way the long term trend is not upwards.

Even we face a lot of challenges this year of 2020. Everything turned out very well for bitcoin because after the bitcoin halving, it's price started pumps up unexpectedly. So I think bitcoin's price will stay in the range of $15,000 and above at the end of the year because many people are holding their bitcoins for us to reach it's ATH again.

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Who are we? Those who voted for those candidates who will then begin to implement their "ultra-progressive socialist programs" were screwed up. For other countries , this will even make its own and quite good sense.
If America sharply rolls down, then the next stage of the world confrontation will open, but the main players here will no longer be America and Russia, but Europe and China.
And given that the EU has its own concerns now in bulk and they are completely mired in their own problems - it may well turn out that China is winning as much as possible in this 2020 year and in the following years will begin a movement forward that nothing can stop.
And as for me, this is a much better way out than to continue to rely on the dollar as a world currency and on America as a world leader - it lost all its name at the moment when it gave up and began to allow itself to be destroyed from the inside.

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Quote from: Dragonfund on November 07, 2020, 05:13:00 PM

It might not be as difficult as you thought. Though, each presidency with their unique way of ruling people and delivering campaigns promises. I just their would be changes but not certain about the amount of degree.
My concern is Btc pattern, I hope it doesn't repeat 2017 crash. It was all fine during October and November 2017 until December came in and then everything began to fall back. Election is over, no new cruise news Grin

Stay positive everyone, it can never be bad as 2020. We have seen enough.

I think we are in a better position than 2017, the bitcoin price is so strong at the moment that I don't see such a bit risk of a price drop. But even if the price would drop 20% we are still fine in my opinion. If we all keep believing in bitcoins there is no way the long term trend is not upwards.

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Quote from: KnightElite on November 09, 2020, 11:17:18 PM

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Can't say this about all the countries. Yes USA might face this but I don't think it's going to be as radical as you are say. Yes tax increases might come due as compensation for the radical fiscal measures taken by Governments during the lockdown and extended burden on economy due to vaccine payments and it's distribution could further alleviate taxes. Brutality and rest of things happen now and then a few are noticed and rest get unnoticed so one shouldn't think about these useless things.

Taxes can be avoided in a legal way and it is called tax avoidance. Rich people especially those who have businesses and corporations are doing it legally. I'm sure that this tax will help the government of the US to have more income in order for them to create more projects that can benefit the citizens but there is a bad thing with this tax and it is will be a burden for the poor and middle class in the US. Those people are usually the employees who get their salary through job, they cannot avoid paying taxes because of that but those people who have corporation have a legal way to do it. Actually, whenever there is a law about increase of the taxes, rich people are having a new way in order for them to avoid paying taxes legally.

I know that pretty well I am an tax expert in my country and I know all those tricks and schemes of tax planning as well as avoidance you can say. But trust me these aren't that easy. They actually are possible only in businesses because there is spending of money in businesses which can be manipulated in a way to project lesser profits thereby paying lower taxes but for normal salaried person he has no such option than legible sources of tax rebates such as investment in specified securities or something. I know this new millennial thinking of not paying taxes these days is up on fire but it's pretty different from what most people think.

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Quote from: teosanru on November 09, 2020, 11:14:11 AM

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Can't say this about all the countries. Yes USA might face this but I don't think it's going to be as radical as you are say. Yes tax increases might come due as compensation for the radical fiscal measures taken by Governments during the lockdown and extended burden on economy due to vaccine payments and it's distribution could further alleviate taxes. Brutality and rest of things happen now and then a few are noticed and rest get unnoticed so one shouldn't think about these useless things.

Taxes can be avoided in a legal way and it is called tax avoidance. Rich people especially those who have businesses and corporations are doing it legally. I'm sure that this tax will help the government of the US to have more income in order for them to create more projects that can benefit the citizens but there is a bad thing with this tax and it is will be a burden for the poor and middle class in the US. Those people are usually the employees who get their salary through job, they cannot avoid paying taxes because of that but those people who have corporation have a legal way to do it. Actually, whenever there is a law about increase of the taxes, rich people are having a new way in order for them to avoid paying taxes legally.

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Quote from: carter34 on November 09, 2020, 01:38:54 PM

I don't see much that will be different in Biden's administration. What he happened in the election is that a change of personality has happened. Trump was more of a president that talks without respecting the way it will sound outside his leaps and more of the social media type, he shook Twitter and gave it more popularity. Biden may have a different style of conversation and information, he might be the intricate type.
The real point is whoever is the American president has the citizen as top priority anyway where they are living across the world, this has not changed.

There will be some continuity, of course, because the main work is provided by the state apparatus that is constantly working regardless of the elections Wink

The current elections have shown that American society is more divided than the pre-election polls showed, and Biden's victory does not look so unconditional. Therefore, Biden will have to take into account the opinion of citizens who voted for Trump, despite his extravagant behavior and manner of governing the country. But the extent to which the electorate of Trump is the top priority for the new administration we will see in the next year.

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Lockdowns will be required to keep the number down once again and this time around I feel like it is going to actually make a difference and change something about this situations.

The reason why I think of it like that is the fact that when the first lockdowns happened it was the peak of pandemic and we weren't ready for it and humanity got very very sick because of it and hospitals weren't enough to cover all sick people and doctors and scientists were working to figure out how we could recover people and so forth, nowadays we are established a lot better, we know what to do, we know medicine and how to recover, we are more ready for it even though numbers grew a lot since people are out again.

What will happen (imo) would be people staying home, sick people get smaller in numbers, and doctors will use this new expertise to fix them and not allow another big grow when the number gets small enough.

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Quote from: asus09 on November 08, 2020, 11:02:19 PM

After the election for the president of the United States is over, there will be a significant impact on other countries, especially those that are still developing, there will definitely be different cooperation because Joe Bidden has won the competition with Donald Trump. .

I don't see much that will be different in Biden's administration. What he happened in the election is that a change of personality has happened. Trump was more of a president that talks without respecting the way it will sound outside his leaps and more of the social media type, he shook Twitter and gave it more popularity. Biden may have a different style of conversation and information, he might be the intricate type.

The real point is whoever is the American president has the citizen as top priority anyway where they are living across the world, this has not changed.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2020, 06:43:43 PM

Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

Those things you told are already normal things we deal with everyday, nothing new.

I don't think 2021 will be the worst. It's the year of adjustment. We already being in the worst and that was this year, 2020.

Same here, exactly the same thinking is on my mind. People are nowadays are getting frustrated and don't know which topics should be discussed.

He mentioned the worthless topics and those are actually not new. After elections we are still seeing the same thing and hope 2021 will go better if the Covid-19 will not spread as we expected and the vaccine are out to save us.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Can't say this about all the countries. Yes USA might face this but I don't think it's going to be as radical as you are say. Yes tax increases might come due as compensation for the radical fiscal measures taken by Governments during the lockdown and extended burden on economy due to vaccine payments and it's distribution could further alleviate taxes. Brutality and rest of things happen now and then a few are noticed and rest get unnoticed so one shouldn't think about these useless things.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2020, 06:43:43 PM

Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

Those things you told are already normal things we deal with everyday, nothing new.

I don't think 2021 will be the worst. It's the year of adjustment. We already being in the worst and that was this year, 2020.

Agreed, the pandemic took everyone by surprise and it showed we were not prepared for it regardless of what we were told, so everyone including governments went through a period of adjustment.

2021 is not going to be as bad as this one, I really think the lockdown will not have to be as severe as the one we went through during the first wave of the pandemic and people would have gotten used by now to this new normality, so I think that once a lockdown is implemented the number of cases in such region will go down more rapidly as now people know what it is expected out of them and once the vaccine comes out and the most vulnerable receive it first then we can finally put the cornonavirus behind us.

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Not all countries are in elections. It is already crazy even in 2021 because of covid19. Well, it is not the same as before but there is still a limited for something just to be sure if it is covid free.

He's pointing out the US elections and expecting that there will be a huge impact on the entire world once the election's done.
This covid19 pandemic has truly made this year crazy but there's hope for 2021. I start to see that in other countries, they're almost back and no wearing masks in public places, that's a good sign for me.

Europe is going back in lockdown: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249

My country Romania is going on partial lockdown from Monday , after parliamentary elections on the 6th of Dec i expect they will put us on full lockdown here also for second wave.

Oh.
That's unexpected.
If there's another lockdown then the economy from those countries including yours will suffer again. Does your country have a good plan for the battle against covid19?

The plan is probably the lock down itself. There's no vaccine yet so the only way is to slow down the widespread of the virus. The counterpart of such action will be dealt by the economy of a country or region perhaps. Protocols are already told to every individual but it is just that the virus is still existing. Governments are having no other plans but to slow down the virus until an official vaccine is presented in the masses. What makes the situation scary is that, people are no longer that afraid of the virus making them careless on situations which should be avoided because this will be unending as the number of casualties are getting bigger.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 07, 2020, 07:13:52 AM

Quote from: tabas on November 07, 2020, 07:04:30 AM

Quote from: petyang12 on November 06, 2020, 09:48:35 AM

Not all countries are in elections. It is already crazy even in 2021 because of covid19. Well, it is not the same as before but there is still a limited for something just to be sure if it is covid free.

He's pointing out the US elections and expecting that there will be a huge impact on the entire world once the election's done.
This covid19 pandemic has truly made this year crazy but there's hope for 2021. I start to see that in other countries, they're almost back and no wearing masks in public places, that's a good sign for me.

Europe is going back in lockdown: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249

My country Romania is going on partial lockdown from Monday , after parliamentary elections on the 6th of Dec i expect they will put us on full lockdown here also for second wave.

Oh.
That's unexpected.
If there's another lockdown then the economy from those countries including yours will suffer again. Does your country have a good plan for the battle against covid19?

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After the election for the president of the United States is over, there will be a significant impact on other countries, especially those that are still developing, there will definitely be different cooperation because Joe Bidden has won the competition with Donald Trump. Every president has different views or cooperation with other countries, so that at this time it is a bit worried for each country how Joe Bidden's decision is still beneficial for other countries or have controversial opinion. During the campaign, Donald Trump said that Joe Bidden was an opposition to the Chinese state and of course it would cause conflict in the future if this was true, considering that China is a superpower that has a monopoly system.

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I guess it's just a feeling of worrying too much while in reality we still don't know for sure what changes will come later. For me, every change will always be for the better and if change only causes chaos, obviously it has to be resisted and because this era is the era where everyone can give their opinion easily. So, there's no need for us to assume sooner that chaos will happen because it will only make the situation worse, stay calm and hopefully change for the better does happen and not about chaos.

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Obviously lockdowns are not something we are going to see again, there could be some limitations, like let's say "no clubbing after midnight" or things like "no gatherings over 50 people", I am making up limitations and don't know what they would do, would change from state to state as well but the maximum they could do would be stuff like that, it wouldn't be a lockdown but it would have some sort of rules.

The best one would probably be having limited customers in a shop compared to unlimited, that would allow a lot of spreading out if it comes to that. However new governments could definitely try to tackle this better because it will be the first thing they will be judged with, Trump was criticized for not caring enough so Biden has to care a lot to show he is different.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

People think just because parts of Europe went back into lockdown that America will follow. Not this time. The federal government doesn't have the authority, and state governments can't take the economic shock again. I just don't see that happening, definitely not on the scale that we saw in March 2020.

Biden did vow to increase the corporate tax rate (reversing the Trump tax cuts) but to do that, he needs to the Senate to pass the bill. Since the Democrats failed to gain a majority there, that's probably not going to happen. Maybe after the mid-term elections in 2 years.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

They always need more votes, that's the beauty of democracy. Also, they always need votes, which is also the dark side of democracy. That's why they pander. That's why they kick the can down the road. Every bitches about taxes going up, but in the US, we cut taxes for the wealthy when we were running trillion dollar deficits. It was the stupidest and most irresponsible thing you could have done. If you think you will have a stable society if the dollar loses all its value because the US defaults on the debt, you're wrong. Taxes have to go up because our fiscal situation already wasn't sustainable and this past administration has amped that up to 11.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on November 07, 2020, 06:04:10 PM

Well, I deeply understand your situation and what you are feeling at the moment. I know that you've been in hard times. However, it seems like your perspective is something that is not supposed to be public. Stop thinking about the bad and spread negativity, as it might really happen when you attract it. You are making yourself vulnerable bro, --the best thing to do right now is to do the right thing. Increase the hope and patience.

Negativity will not lead to anything. There are people who elect and support them then maybe there are good news that will happen. In election there are really who will win and lose and what we only need to do is to follow the rules and be a better citizen. There is always room for adjustment and acceptance and just hope that the result will lead for the good benefits of many.

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Overall we should not think about that way since we don't yet experience the leadership of Biden yet maybe the best thing to do is to observe the economy flow when Biden is in the seat and compare it later if there's a changes or not. Hopefully we cannot see a bad leadership with him since many want to see America became great again.

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We cannot further conclude just like that for we still do not know what would happen right after the end of election. Also, to put into correction, not all countries are already into dealing with election this year like here in our country wherein the next national election for choosing our next president would be on year 2022. Let us just all hope that the winning party in US will serve what they have promised and will not just set aside those good platforms they have stated to convince the citizens of US to elect them as their new officials of the government. Instead of thinking the negatives, let us just all hope for good things to come along with the changing of the elected officials sitting in the White House.

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Well, I deeply understand your situation and what you are feeling at the moment. I know that you've been in hard times. However, it seems like your perspective is something that is not supposed to be public. Stop thinking about the bad and spread negativity, as it might really happen when you attract it. You are making yourself vulnerable bro, --the best thing to do right now is to do the right thing. Increase the hope and patience.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Elections are conducted in different years of every country. There is no way for the whole world to have same election year or day. The terms of every government officials are different from other countries. I don't know what you want to emphasize with your post but above all, having a crazy 2021 in the world will become true. There are many manipulations happening right now, disasters and viruses are being casted in each part of the world.

We may say that 2020 is a bad luck year but in the next years, it will become more catastrophic than what we are experiencing right now.

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It might not be as difficult as you thought. Though, each presidency with their unique way of ruling people and delivering campaigns promises. I just their would be changes but not certain about the amount of degree.
My concern is Btc pattern, I hope it doesn't repeat 2017 crash. It was all fine during October and November 2017 until December came in and then everything began to fall back. Election is over, no new cruise news Grin

Stay positive everyone, it can never be bad as 2020. We have seen enough.

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The upcoming elections in all countries will be determined by how governments have dealt with the Coronavirus, and not what governments have provided in past years.
Plans for random closures and ill-considered decisions this year will be extremely costly to many of these countries.

Populist trends and the opposition will find an easy opportunity to burden the government with the problem of disease outbreaks or deaths. As for countries that succeed in overcoming it, their rulers will be easily nominated.

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New leadership means new perspectives and solutions. So if in case Bidens won the election, expect a better leadership on the side where we can see. But don't you expect the economics will increase. Because Trump is actually better in finance compared to Bidens so I doubt.

Going back, I find 2021 as something we have to look forward positively. The vaccine will be up during the year. And everyone will be able to go back to their previous habits. Its up to you if you're gonna be stuck there.

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I am not shocked that there are people who see everything as a trouble and a future problem for them, I have a close friend who lives like that and it is very scary but she just thinks of all the bad things that could potentially happen with everything she does.

Obviously with us being online and anonymous and on a forum allows people to not only be pessimistic but also troll others easily as well, when combined it becomes writing how things will be bad all day everyday to see the reactions from people, saying "things will be okay" do not even worth writing these days because it won't get attention but writing "we are all going to die!!" is very simple and very quick to get engagement.

I think we are going to be fine, I know that doesn't sooth you guys but I just feel like world has seen much much worse, we are not doing "that" bad and we will be fine as well.

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Depend who will be the winner and give change for the world with new president or United State, Donald Trump have nothing impact for bitcoin last five years become president of United State and always make bad news for bitcoin and give impact bitcoin always lower price after his tweet. Will if Joe bidden win the election United State give change for bitcoin rule and allow for US people to use bitcoin for legal currency payment? just happy if have new president wanna adopt bitcoin and altcoin for currency transaction because the Trump era never give chance and space for bitcoin and altcoin become legal payment currency.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

The things you’ve mentioned were the usual everyday happenings in different places. It’s nothing new to us since it existed even before.

These things can’t be easily and fully resolved by just coming up with new administration or leader to lead a country. It takes time to eliminate these. It won’t just magically vanish that fast because it is deep-rooted and usually are scattered, practiced, and basically everywhere.

I have high hopes for next year. This year may seem tragic and horrible, but it doesn’t mean that it will be the same for 2021. Whoever wins this US election, i hope he’ll prioritize the betterment of his constituents.

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I dont think it will get that worse as he envisaged, police brutality was not caused by any Government though some may not do enough to control it, The history speaks on this brutality. My only fear is the power getting back to the corrupt and wealthy ones, what happens to the employment in America? will we not go back to time we cant pray in public, where polluted sexism is publicize.

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It's always like that. You eat democracy sausage, vote and go home thinking you've achieved something, that things will change for the better now that you've won. In reality everything moves forward and develops just the way it would if there was a different president or a prime minister. Voting changes nothing and money for the campaign have to be redeemed somehow. The easiest way to do it is through taxes.

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Again smartcontracts100 and his theories.... Well good morning smartcontracts100, some people are born in screwed systems! This current system is totally corrupted, and maybe some people have/had a good life in some advanced countries (even thou they are full of hungry people around), with nice job and salary to cover everything...never experienced war and bombs falling around, corruption on all levels... I quit thinking about that years ago when I started understanding things around me... there's no new governments, new people, it's all one big show, I don't trust politicians they are just actors! Read between the lines!

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 07, 2020, 06:53:44 AM

You guys are focused to much on price of bitcoin ...sure let it go to 100k or 1 mil .... how you going to sell your bitcoins to ? As we are getting close to becoming the Great Depression of 2020

Sometimes meme's can speak more than thousand words!

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

whether Biden or Trump serves as president for his next term, America remains the greatest in the world. Their country's economy, politics, and human rights are still doing well due to the high awareness of Americans.
If there are any changes, it is only foreign economic and political events, in addition people living in the US will not be affected much. Right now I am only afraid that Biden's policy will cause Dollar inflation, financial channels in surrounding countries will also be affected slightly.

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I don’t think so because we’ve been into many elections and yet we are still standing and breathing so we don’t screwed at all from the previous administration despite of their performance. I don’t see any reason to panic aside from the current pandemic, but for sure the US election can bring hope to many countries so don’t lose hope and stop panicking and don’t over think.

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Quote from: tabas on November 07, 2020, 07:04:30 AM

Quote from: petyang12 on November 06, 2020, 09:48:35 AM

Not all countries are in elections. It is already crazy even in 2021 because of covid19. Well, it is not the same as before but there is still a limited for something just to be sure if it is covid free.

He's pointing out the US elections and expecting that there will be a huge impact on the entire world once the election's done.
This covid19 pandemic has truly made this year crazy but there's hope for 2021. I start to see that in other countries, they're almost back and no wearing masks in public places, that's a good sign for me.

Europe is going back in lockdown: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249

My country Romania is going on partial lockdown from Monday , after parliamentary elections on the 6th of Dec i expect they will put us on full lockdown here also for second wave.

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Quote from: petyang12 on November 06, 2020, 09:48:35 AM

Not all countries are in elections. It is already crazy even in 2021 because of covid19. Well, it is not the same as before but there is still a limited for something just to be sure if it is covid free.

He's pointing out the US elections and expecting that there will be a huge impact on the entire world once the election's done.
This covid19 pandemic has truly made this year crazy but there's hope for 2021. I start to see that in other countries, they're almost back and no wearing masks in public places, that's a good sign for me.

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Quote from: Lucius on November 06, 2020, 10:40:01 AM

Quote from: stompix on November 05, 2020, 07:45:40 PM

No, HE can't stop, because he desires those things to happen, he wants people to be miserable.

I don't know if it's one person with more alt accounts, or we have more pessimists whose only goal is fear, uncertainty, and doubt in already difficult times. I don't know if OP has anything to do with our dear friend Polodamus, but we can give him a similar name Smartodamus

As you've noticed before, their predictions are usually completely opposite - and I hope they will be the same this time. If we look only at the next two months, Christmas and New Year are coming, the price of BTC is rising wonderfully, and vaccination with the vaccine Oxford and AstraZeneca should start before the end of the year.

I pray that my predictions are wrong , but i don't think you guys understand the situation we are in .

When America sneezes the hole world catches a cold. Have you already forgot '29,'73- 80's,2007 ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

2020 COVID-19 recession Peak Unemployment 14.7%
2007 Great recession Peak Unemployment 10%
1929 Great Depression Peak Unemployment 21.3%-24.9%

You guys are focused to much on price of bitcoin ...sure let it go to 100k or 1 mil .... how you going to sell your bitcoins to ? As we are getting close to becoming the Great Depression of 2020

And i also predict that Doomsday clock is very very close to midnight .

Pray that i am wrong .

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Quote from: stompix on November 05, 2020, 07:45:40 PM

No, HE can't stop, because he desires those things to happen, he wants people to be miserable.

I don't know if it's one person with more alt accounts, or we have more pessimists whose only goal is fear, uncertainty, and doubt in already difficult times. I don't know if OP has anything to do with our dear friend Polodamus, but we can give him a similar name Smartodamus

As you've noticed before, their predictions are usually completely opposite - and I hope they will be the same this time. If we look only at the next two months, Christmas and New Year are coming, the price of BTC is rising wonderfully, and vaccination with the vaccine Oxford and AstraZeneca should start before the end of the year.

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Not all countries are in elections. It is already crazy even in 2021 because of covid19. Well, it is not the same as before but there is still a limited for something just to be sure if it is covid free.

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No, it wont happen. As we can see now that Biden have already more votes than Trump. For me, whatever the result of the US election I don't think that it could make more the situation worst around the world. Lets just hope for the best, for we are now slowly getting back into place despite the fact that covid-19 is still around us. People in different places are learning to live with the virus, living in a new normal ways...and we can gradually get up as well as the economy. I can almost see that the world will glisten as we slowly opening up the economy in each country and the vaccine is about to release in the market. Haven't you realize? We reach this far and we survived. I think it would be better if we focus on things that we can be more productive each day instead of thinking those negative things that are yet to come. Let us all claim that the coming year will be a new year of hope and better changes. Lets just keep our faith and always move forward no matter what.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

We have seen worst already, what makes you think that 2021 will be far worst, Lol. So kindly stop with those negativity because if we can survived 2020 then no doubt we will next year regardless if Trump gets re-elected or Biden win as the new US President. Yeah, it 2021 could be a crazy year because we are going to bounce back, bitcoin will rally to new all time high and we might see a cure for the virus.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

No, not every country will be affected as not every country are tied with the USA's economy.
This is a bad perception IMO, USA may struggle or what, but we have other big countries who can compete with the USA.

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Tax increase is normal given the fact that our economy has suffer due to the covid-19, this is expected already but we can survive this, that's for sure.

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Regarding increasing tax and food prices you are right. Usually, everytime before elections the government will not increase the tax, price to keep people happy and decrease the bad atmosphere between people. But just a few weeks/days after the election done they don't vote and don't need to keep the bad atmosphere away from people. In the other hand, no matter of who will win the election there will be some economic negative effect and this negative effect will show up just a few weeks after the election.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

snip..

what all these skeptical lines mean?? please don't think that what happened in the US was global. our country is not affected by the general election in US, we go through our activities as usual and very comfortable. however, the general election that took place in the US is a party of their country's democracy and we must congratulate them because they have undergone democracy even though there are many problems will arising everywhere..

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Most of what you said are mere speculations even until now. Also, what do you expect the winner of the elections to do right after they get to work? Of course they'll work on their country first before other people or other countries for that matter. While they may try to do everything in their power to curb the negative effects of the pandemic on the US economy, it wouldn't be helped that easily given that the damage done is irreparable in the short term and no amount of stimulus checks will ever rectify the current state of joblessness in the said country. Whoever wins the presidential race, not much will change in the problems of the US short-term.

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Is that so, I'm not sure and also all countries don't vote this year, is it because America you say all this?
I don't think the economy will run smoothly.I know the USA has had a huge impact on the world, but not that much.
suffer? It is true that almost all countries are affected by this pandemic, but all of them are struggling to get out of the bad situation.

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I don't want to be negative but I found this article that talks about a report presented by the IMF that does not show a sobering outlook for the global economy. It has mentioned to the UK, Italy, India a drop in their macroeconomic indices. Nations that depend on tourism like Spain will have a difficult situation due to the outbreaks of the virus and their economies will produce a decline.
As long as the outbreaks of the virus continue and we do not have a cure for Covid19, the economic projections are not favorable. Just as the IMF says.

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There is likely to be what it calls "a major setback to living standards relative to what was expected before the pandemic". The IMF warns that extreme poverty is likely to rise for the first time in more than twenty years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-54522844

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Yes crazy. Crazy in terms of economic indices will drop because of covid-19 and other hard times the world was living with already. Talking on the American election if that is your idea on the election in your post, US is just one country and that's what it is. We don't need to fear on the new policies that may come.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

You are wrong in 2020, many countries postponed elections this year, for various reasons.
Example:
1. New Zealand: the zealand government postponed the next four weeks for some reason, covid-19.
2. Hong Kong: elections scheduled for July 31 this year, reasons equal risk, covid-19.
3. Bolivia: plans scheduled for May, same reason, covid-19.
4. South Korea & Singapore for the same reason.

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

Reason : They don't need no more votes.

They will definitely need a popular vote for the next election, if they run again.

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

This happens a lot in every country after the win: Promises are broken, only left on video footage.

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world.

Crazy, why is it in 2021, 2020 at this time has gone crazy, I think in 2021 all elements have become normal, not crazy anymore.

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Politicians always needs more votes, they care about their votes not just for now but for the future as well, whatever you do right now will affect not only you but your party for the next 4 years as well which is why they do care about what they do.

However let's be honest with each other, Trump has been the most controversial president of our time, he got so much love and hate from so many people that I do not remember the last time anyone actually got this much attention towards politics by a nation in my own life time. He got the most votes out of any president in history of elections even if he lost because Biden got even more than that, which shows you that politicians may do ANYTHING and still find popularity, as long as you can rile people up, you can do whatever you want to them.

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Our next election will happen on the year 2022 and if you are talking about the US election, I'm sure my country is not that affected since we have our own government. Stop creating panic, this year stress is already enough, its better to share some good news nowadays. Taxes will continue to increase over time, no one can stop this one especially to the developing countries, I believe 2021 will be the recovery year and no more negativity.

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I think it's a bit harsh of calling it screwed wherein we still have our freedom and control, and besides US elections has nothing to do what's gonna be the outcome to our world economy next year hence every countries has their own discretion handling economic problems. Either Trump or Biden wins still we cannot tell what's gonna be the future beholds to us next year. One thing important right now is Bitcoin is doing great and it's the positive news we can dig in right now even pandemic is still with us.

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Is that what you see in your crystal ball? Is the future really that gloomy? Or is that same chaos what you see in your immediate surrounding right now?

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Who needs votes after the election ends?

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Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

You don't have to prepare for their coming in 2021. These things have been happening ever since I gained consciousness.

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2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Every year's a crazy one. They just differ in degrees.

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Not all doom and gloom for the HODLERS.

Seriously though, I don't know if it's market uncertainty that's causing Bitcoin to sky rocket, holiday season, all in combination of Trump/Biden battling it out without a clear winner decided, who knows? I thought a Trump administration would be better for the U.S. economy, which would be better for Bitcoin long term. I don't know what the justification for Bitcoin rising under Biden other than he would fuck up the largest economy in the world, forcing people to diversify assets.

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Quote from: Coyster on November 05, 2020, 06:23:39 PM

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

What elections exactly is going to bring all this? And tbh, all the above are present in our world today, so I don't really get your point.

So...you're predicting all of that is going to happen if Biden gets elected, or if Trump gets re-elected?

What lockdowns are you talking about, anyway? There aren't any in the US as far as I know, and I'm not trapped in my house all day because of some government edict in response to COVID-19. That might be true in other countries, but I don't think the US election is going to affect any of those.

There's always been police brutality, always will until they're given less power. But I don't think Trump or Biden are going to have any impact on that. Why? Because that issue can be handled at the state level, and the states are already well aware of the problem because of all the protests.

Quote from: Coyster on November 05, 2020, 06:23:39 PM

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Yeah it already is, from Covid-19, to Bitcoin crossing 15k Grin

It's not 2021 yet, bro. I'm hoping the chaos will calm down significantly next year, but I wouldn't bet money on it. But as far as bitcoin breaking through the $15k mark--hell yeah!!

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2020, 06:43:43 PM

Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

No, HE can't stop, because he desires those things to happen, he wants people to be miserable.
He hates that the price of bitcoin goes up, he hates that the economy showed signs of recovering, check his threads this is not about predictions, this is not about discussions, he deeply wants everything to go to hell because he feels his life sucks. Instead of trying to do something he is bitching all day, he is arguing with the members that tagged his current account and his other alt and fills the forum with this crap.

And to make matter worse, he has no clue what he is talking about. He doesn't know that there are also elections next year, like the ones in Germany or Japan, for example, presidential elections for France and Germany in 2022, or the fact that there will be also another round of elections in the US in 2022 for the house representatives and one-third of senators.

But facts don't matter he is here to try to make people feel miserable, to spread fear and gloom every day.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2020, 06:43:43 PM

Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

Those things you told are already normal things we deal with everyday, nothing new.

I don't think 2021 will be the worst. It's the year of adjustment. We already being in the worst and that was this year, 2020.

What we need is positive disposition in life. Whatever the government will do, it is still up to us if we want to move forward in our lives. In all honestly, our status in life has nothing to do with who is in position, it is our own self that is making our path. So don't look outside, but look at your own self how you can improve your life despite of this situation.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Why do you think all of them gonna happen? Do you think there's no law will prevail for that issues and for sure many are aware and doesn't that to happen so better sit and relax if you are worried about things.

We have enough for this year and I don't see any bad for having a tax increase if that is for the benefit for all the citizens, all of us suffer from major loss due to the pandemic. If you want to contribute for the revival of the economy in your country then accept those increase and just think about your doing it for good.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 05, 2020, 06:43:43 PM

Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

Those things you told are already normal things we deal with everyday, nothing new.

I don't think 2021 will be the worst. It's the year of adjustment. We already being in the worst and that was this year, 2020.

You can really expect from people to make up some issues without even minding that these are just typical events that we do experience in normal days.
For sure when we are in year 2021 on last month they would keep saying the same thing and telling that 2022 would really be a worst year and that would continue
ahead on future years to come.

Is this something new? No its not thats why its just pointless or rather not relevant on making some argumentation yet these are real-world typical or common
problems. How to get rid of it? better deal with it.

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Too much negativity these days, can we please stop? Unless you can make a valid argument, then let it discussed.

Those things you told are already normal things we deal with everyday, nothing new.

I don't think 2021 will be the worst. It's the year of adjustment. We already being in the worst and that was this year, 2020.

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Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

All countries are not conducting elections this year, and if you mean the U.S election currently ongoing, then it more or less has nothing to do with other countries, not to talk of "all countries"

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

What elections exactly is going to bring all this? And tbh, all the above are present in our world today, so I don't really get your point.

Quote from: smartcontracts100 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:25 PM

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

Yeah it already is, from Covid-19, to Bitcoin crossing 15k Grin

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What you think people were looking to the US for what to do? There is a potential that stocks could go down if they enter a lockdown... But they might just get another stimulus since the value of the dollar against other currencies increased afaik. I think most countries would be looking at China, Germany and france for handling lockdown.

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After elections end this year for all countries we are all screwed

Reason : They don't need no more votes .

Prepare for tax increase,price increase,lockdowns,police brutality and anti democratic measures .

2021 going to be a crazy year for the world .

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