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Fucking fantastic job of taking something out of context to build a straw-man that you can attack

I didn't take it out of context.  It's your punctuation (or lack of) that's to blame. 

I suspect what you meant was "nor do I care, to be honest."  So yeah, I knew what you meant, but I had to let my inner asshole out for a spell.   Wink

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I really have no idea

Maybe you should have an idea, and a thought or two, before blindly following something you don't understand.


nor do I care to be honest

You'll make a perfect socialist.  Honesty is the bane of socialism, so of course you don't care to be honest.

Fucking fantastic job of taking something out of context to build a straw-man that you can attack

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition.

This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or an understanding of both sides of the issue.
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I really have no idea

Maybe you should have an idea, and a thought or two, before blindly following something you don't understand.


nor do I care to be honest

You'll make a perfect socialist.  Honesty is the bane of socialism, so of course you don't care to be honest.
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Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh?  (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)

ROFLOL, Countries with high taxes and lots of social programs are not SOCIALIST.  You obviously don't know what socialism is.  Try again.  

Praytell, what is socialism then?  Don't say I'm wrong without providing "correct" information for me, that's just rude (not that I even made a claim about socialism, I simply googled it)

It's not even "my" list... do you need me to google this for you AGAIN?!?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top+socialist+countries

Let me try.  Socialism is a social structure where the means of production and its distribution is controlled by all members of that structure.

A capitalist system with lots of social programs is not a socialist system.  In the countries on your list, people do not decide how the economic system is run.  Capitalists do that.  

Equality of outcomes for the 99% does not make the system a socialist system.  Capitalists still run and control such systems.

@af_newbie, Well put.  Thanks for responding for me.

@Moloch, here's a hint on how to make the determination:  If a country has one or more corporations based within it's boarders that is not under complete control of the government, it ain't socialist.

I suppose, like everything, different people define things differently... the top google result listed those countries as socialist, so I assume that is the majority opinion (unless you think google is some sort of liberal conspiracy)

Perhaps people are including democratic-socialism under the umbrella of "socialism"... I really have no idea, nor do I care to be honest

It is what it is... all I did was google it for you
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Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh?  (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)

ROFLOL, Countries with high taxes and lots of social programs are not SOCIALIST.  You obviously don't know what socialism is.  Try again.  

Praytell, what is socialism then?  Don't say I'm wrong without providing "correct" information for me, that's just rude (not that I even made a claim about socialism, I simply googled it)

It's not even "my" list... do you need me to google this for you AGAIN?!?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top+socialist+countries

Let me try.  Socialism is a social structure where the means of production and its distribution is controlled by all members of that structure.

A capitalist system with lots of social programs is not a socialist system.  In the countries on your list, people do not decide how the economic system is run.  Capitalists do that.  

Equality of outcomes for the 99% does not make the system a socialist system.  Capitalists still run and control such systems.

@af_newbie, Well put.  Thanks for responding for me.

@Moloch, here's a hint on how to make the determination:  If a country has one or more corporations based within it's boarders that is not under complete control of the government, it ain't socialist.



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Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh?  (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)

ROFLOL, Countries with high taxes and lots of social programs are not SOCIALIST.  You obviously don't know what socialism is.  Try again.  

Praytell, what is socialism then?  Don't say I'm wrong without providing "correct" information for me, that's just rude (not that I even made a claim about socialism, I simply googled it)

It's not even "my" list... do you need me to google this for you AGAIN?!?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top+socialist+countries

Let me try.  Socialism is a social structure where the means of production and its distribution is controlled by all members of that structure.

A capitalist system with lots of social programs is not a socialist system.  In the countries on your list, people do not decide how the economic system is run.  Capitalists do that.  

Equality of outcomes for the 99% does not make the system a socialist system.  Capitalists still run and control such systems.
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Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh?  (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)

ROFLOL, Countries with high taxes and lots of social programs are not SOCIALIST.  You obviously don't know what socialism is.  Try again.  

Praytell, what is socialism then?  Don't say I'm wrong without providing "correct" information for me, that's just rude (not that I even made a claim about socialism, I simply googled it)

It's not even "my" list... do you need me to google this for you AGAIN?!?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top+socialist+countries
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Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh?  (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)

ROFLOL, Countries with high taxes and lots of social programs are not SOCIALIST.  You obviously don't know what socialism is.  Try again.  
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Name one socialist country that has prospered, or provided prosperity for their citizens.  Just one.

Let me google that for you! (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top+socialist+countries)

First result is this:
Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World
http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

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   China
    Denmark
    Finland
    Netherlands
    Canada
    Sweden
    Norway
    Ireland
    New Zealand
    Belgium

I'm guessing you have heard of a few of these countries? (you only asked for 1 and I gave you 10... sorry, not sorry)

I hear all of them are doing quite well economically, and socially... for example, if you google "happiest countries in the world", you get a very similar list:

Quote from: https://www.c[Suspicious link removed
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The top countries frequently have high values for all six of the key variables that contribute to overall well-being: income (GDP per capita), healthy life expectancy, social support, freedom, trust (absence of corruption) and generosity.

Here are the top 10 happiest countries and how they measure on the Cantril ladder:

1. Finland: 7.632
2. Norway: 7.594
3. Denmark: 7.555
4. Iceland: 7.495
5. Switzerland: 7.487
6. Netherlands: 7.441
7. Canada: 7.328
8. New Zealand: 7.324
9. Sweden: 7.314
10. Australia: 7.272

Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh?  (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)

Your idea structuring is incoherent and your fundamental goal is easily misunderstood when so much detail is lacking.

Sure, socialism has positive implications as a tool when properly used. Does that mean one constantly refers to it as the solution every time? No. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for people to understand. Most of those countries had a wonderful history of low corruption, lacking institutions at the educational level that are nothing more than terrorist organizations like Harvard University, and strong ethnic nationalism.

For some reason the older age collection of degenerate political gnomes, that don't really know anything about anything, think they can do what they want now, obstructing necessary fundamental laws of society. If you have enough idiots trying to pre-structure an outcome its highly possible that it will look like it worked.

Not intended as a comment towards you, but it's sad that so many people want to step up to the political economy plate who are just trash in the field.
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Name one socialist country that has prospered, or provided prosperity for their citizens.  Just one.

Let me google that for you! (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top+socialist+countries)

First result is this:
Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World
http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

Quote
   China
    Denmark
    Finland
    Netherlands
    Canada
    Sweden
    Norway
    Ireland
    New Zealand
    Belgium

I'm guessing you have heard of a few of these countries? (you only asked for 1 and I gave you 10... sorry, not sorry)

I hear all of them are doing quite well economically, and socially... for example, if you google "happiest countries in the world", you get a very similar list:

The top countries frequently have high values for all six of the key variables that contribute to overall well-being: income (GDP per capita), healthy life expectancy, social support, freedom, trust (absence of corruption) and generosity.

Here are the top 10 happiest countries and how they measure on the Cantril ladder:

1. Finland: 7.632
2. Norway: 7.594
3. Denmark: 7.555
4. Iceland: 7.495
5. Switzerland: 7.487
6. Netherlands: 7.441
7. Canada: 7.328
8. New Zealand: 7.324
9. Sweden: 7.314
10. Australia: 7.272

Kinda neat how 70% of them make it into both top-10 lists, eh?  (also note, USA did not make it into the top-10)
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I don't want to derail this thread too much but it's clear that highly intelligent individuals know that socialism is a superior system to capitalism.  Capitalism takes the excess wealth that is created by workers and gives it to the owners who do nothing.  Capitalism is self destructive and we are already seeing the effects of it.

It is posts like this that makes me think there should be punishments for being an idiot. Thanks for your two sentences worth of research.
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Many great ones in history have not been too kind on the word of the Good Book. Communities interested in discussing the potential merit of the bible as literature form a strong basis for much secular reading of the work however, and would could benefit from organizational tools like EVT.
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I don't want to derail this thread too much but it's clear that highly intelligent individuals know that socialism is a superior system to capitalism.  Capitalism takes the excess wealth that is created by workers and gives it to the owners who do nothing.  Capitalism is self destructive and we are already seeing the effects of it.

 Well, how ironic then that one of the most intelligent human's hand-written letters is going to be auctioned off for more money than any proletariat could ever afford.

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I don't want to derail this thread too much but it's clear that highly intelligent individuals know that socialism is a superior system to capitalism.  Capitalism takes the excess wealth that is created by workers and gives it to the owners who do nothing.  Capitalism is self destructive and we are already seeing the effects of it.

The problem, nearly a hundred years ago, was logistics of resource distribution. The average human didn't have instantaneous communication.

We had no way to monitor resources to get a real time accurate inventory for centralized pooling of resources to distribute.

Simply put; socialism back then would have slowed down progress in many areas.

Overall, Einstein was absolutely brilliant, and I agree with him that socialism is the best form of industry.

Socialism is very demotivating.  It assumes that we are all equal and tries to distribute the outcomes.  It demotivates the most productive members of the society and in a long-run it leads to the economic collapse.

Capitalism is cruel, unfair, unjust, outright criminal in some cases, but it is a system that best resembles our human nature.
Greed is a great motivator.  Best products are developed in capitalist societies.

We are all different, some of us are smarter than others, more hard working than others, better looking than others and are rewarded accordingly.
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Name one socialist country that has prospered, or provided prosperity for their citizens.  Just one.


actually all of them you are not aware what was before that:

1. you compare socialist russia with zarist russia

2. you compare chinese china with emperial china

3. you compare socialist south america with colonised south america (check live conditions of the slaves in that time)

4. you compare socialist india with castic india (untouchables, but remember here is a population explosion happening)


you have to understand not all global banking cartels can have their currencies backed by middle eastern oil like the US dollar is doing that. so claiming the usa is a good example for capitalism is wrong,

its a bad one, and it will be more clearer that it is a bad one if you will observe the decentralisation of the american economy

all americans will try to abuse their next as money earning cattle because they will all become "kapitalists"
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I don't want to derail this thread too much

Too late, beside the OP mentioned AE's preference for socialism, so it's really not that off topic.


but it's clear that highly intelligent individuals know that socialism is a superior system to capitalism.  Capitalism takes the excess wealth that is created by workers and gives it to the owners who do nothing.  Capitalism is self destructive and we are already seeing the effects of it.

Name one socialist country that has prospered, or provided prosperity for their citizens.  Just one.


Back to the original topic;  Not all scientists are atheists.  Many are capable of reconciling their research with their faith.  Personally, I'm an agnostic, so I really don't have a god in the fight.
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Saint Paul talked about this long ago, in 2 Timothy 4:3 where he wrote: "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

The Apostle Paul writes in his letter to Timothy [1 Timothy 5:18] the following: For the Scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox treading out grain," and, "The workman is worthy of his wages."

Ellicott's Commentary goes on to explain: The idea in the Apostle's mind, when he quoted the words of Moses, was: If, in the well-known and loved law of Israel, there was a special reminder to God's people that the very animals that laboured for them were not to be prevented from enjoying the fruits of their labours, surely men who with zeal and earnestness devoted themselves as God's servants to their fellows, should be treated with all liberality, and even dignified with especial respect and honour.

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I don't want to derail this thread too much but it's clear that highly intelligent individuals know that socialism is a superior system to capitalism.  Capitalism takes the excess wealth that is created by workers and gives it to the owners who do nothing.  Capitalism is self destructive and we are already seeing the effects of it.

The problem, nearly a hundred years ago, was logistics of resource distribution. The average human didn't have instantaneous communication.

We had no way to monitor resources to get a real time accurate inventory for centralized pooling of resources to distribute.

Simply put; socialism back then would have slowed down progress in many areas.

Overall, Einstein was absolutely brilliant, and I agree with him that socialism is the best form of industry.
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I don't want to derail this thread too much but it's clear that highly intelligent individuals know that socialism is a superior system to capitalism.  Capitalism takes the excess wealth that is created by workers and gives it to the owners who do nothing.  Capitalism is self destructive and we are already seeing the effects of it.
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Saint Paul talked about this long ago, in 2 Timothy 4:3 where he wrote: "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

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