Topic: All blame to bounty hunters. (Read 426 times)

Tolerable to you, but not to everyone else; because a lot of us value great constructive conversations here. Because while a lot of us are in signature campaigns, some of us are really actually interesting in Bitcoin(and or cryptocurrencies). Earning is just an extra.

They achieved their current level of high reputation because they aren't shitposters.

I think it is better not to say anything against bounty hunter and with the way mods handling the forum. Whatever being made here especially the creation of the forum rules and regulations every users must obey. Shitposting is not really allowed here so it make sense why most users does not allow any mess being done by shitposting. But of course we could not force every users to stop shitposting. I guess it is the work of the Mods to handle shitposting and we should not intervene with it but we can somehow express on things we wanted or through opinion.

I didn't really tackle on the bounty hunter's perspective in my post, but what I'm trying to tell is that bounty managers who accepts bounty participants and not monitor them once they join the campaign will just lead to them abusing the campaign as well as contribute trash in the forum. This can really be solve by simply the campaign managers screening their participants as well as monitoring them on each payout that counts. This might be an added responsibility to them but they should also think about how it will greatly improve the forum if the trash is removed from the forum.

Oh, I do not know about this. I am seldom to visit this section and I think more users too are also like me. This argument is too old already for you but to us it isn't. We are still learning and it may take some time for the new to come up with realization. You see how many shitposter were here doing replies in this thread? None, They are busy right now shitposting, LOL.

Yeah my only point of view here is that bounty hunters may it be shitposting or not in general aspects hascontributed in this forum and cryptocurrency. Try to ask yourself if you are a truly a bounty hunter.

How many project you have promoted and contributed to its success? If many then you are not only contributing success to that project you too are indirectly contributed to bitcoin or the cryptocurrency system. (bitcoin and altcoins are paired always - cryptocurrency).

We should be happy with bounty hunters here and shitposter? Well they too are bounry hunters and they have contributed somehow.

Most of the users here are idealist? I tell you there is no perfect forum. There is no quality posters if there are no shitposts to compare, same as no beautiful ladies when there are no ugly ladies to compare.

So you were saying we are an asthma right because we are bounty hunters. Nobody is perfect here, Shitposts to me is tolerable and so does the Modz think cause if not then many will get ban that includes myself probably. We cannot say we rank up because we are quality poster others are have the rank already before the rank and merit system introduce. However, I admit that there are really users here came out to be good after making it to the legendary rank. @DdmmrDdmmr and @CryptopreneurBrainboss are example and there are few other users too that rank up to legendary now. But we can't force all the users to be like them are we?

OP, have you heard anything about "Quality Over Quantity? How do you say that shitposters make this forum more active and popular? Imagine, when I see a good, interesting topic where would love to see opinions from others, boom, there are thousands of shitposts in such topics and 1-2 good post gets lost. Personally, I prefer to see only these 1-2 good post and don't have to rummage through all of them.

Bounty hunters are like an asthma, it's hard to see good posts (breath) but once you delete (use inhaler), forum gets cleaner and cleaner (relaxing the muscles of the airways into the lungs and you breath easily).

You not only enjoyed reading nonsense posts but actually learned something from them?  That says a lot about you, my friend.  And if it's any comfort, Altcoin Discussion still exists and last I checked it was wall-to-wall shitposts, so you might avail yourself of some of those gems.

OP, this argument is a tired and old one.  If bounties didn't exist, there wouldn't be non-English speakers trying to post in English and there probably wouldn't be such a huge plagiarism problem.  I've got nothing against bounties or sig campaigns per se, just the members who are clearly not qualified to have what amounts to a "write posts about cryptocurrency in English from home" job.  If these bounties would pay for posts in the local boards, we'd be golden.  And there's nothing inherently wrong with not being able to read and write English--what is wrong is when you destroy the quality of a forum because you're trying to write in a language you don't have competency in.

Again, these are all points which have been made many times over the years.  I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

By newbies, I meant new members to the forum. The threshold to become a Jr. member is 1 merit and copper membership fee to get member privileges, such members is still technically new to the forum regardless of their rank. (I still consider myself a newbie in many aspects of Bitcoin)
To the other point, I think many newbies are interested in wearing signatures, but the opportunities available for Jr. Member/Member rank are low, we still have a huge number of them in ICO bounties though.

Since newbie have been limited to using signature, I dont think your suggestion is right. Signature can only be used by junior member (at a minimum) and if you pay attention it will also show that not many junior member are interested in using signature because the pay is too low. Most of them will only be participant in social media campaign such as telegram, twitter and facebook.

Interested to hear that in the future all bounty manager must be emphasized not to accept participant with low-quality post and at least also apply merit rules for prospective applicant so that all potential participant feel they have to change their bad habit if they want to join bounty. I think this is the best way to force all bounty hunter to improve the quality of their post.

I don't really get why there's no month in a year that this isn't asked nor the issue about quality and shitposting keeps popping up and being repeatedly talking about. First of all, bounty hunters are just those WHOM PROMOTE certain projects. They either use social media, or use any other forms of media to promote something. And their role here in the forum isn't that different from what a normal poster do. What matter's the most is their contribution and discipline. Users can be inactive, but helpful. Users can be active, but spammers. And of course, users can choose if they want to promote something or not. Hence, it wasn't that of a BIG ROLE. It was just that they prefer doing jobs for certain projects while others prefer socializing and helping the community a better place.

@OP, I glanced through the first page of your post history, and your replies are not too bad, it could of course be better, but doesn't everyone have space for improvement? I'll recommend you put more effort into your posts.
There's no barrier to your growth on the forum as long as you put in effort to be net positive, neither is there any agenda against bounty hunters. Anyone who spams the forum, would likely get their posts reported or get them ignored if they do so recurrently, regardless of whether or not they wear a paid signature. Extreme cases should result in a ban.

Joining a signature campaign is okay and allowed by the forum, I would however advise newbies not to join one too early, as it puts pressure on you to post x numbers of post every week, and allows you little time to read and learn, this results in spam, reason why spam is associated with bounty hunting.

Post naturally on the forum, and if you must, join campaigns that allows you to do that with little or no pressure.

A leopard does not change its spot. If you're here for quick bucks, chances are, you're not going to care about the quality that you post. Afterall, whats the point of improving your post quality when you're getting the same amount of money for a lower quality? It'll take more time for them to post on all their alts too .
You need to understand; no one is forcing you to post anything on the forum. If you cannot contribute to the discussion, don't post. Go around and study on the forum, the quality of the post would be higher if this is the mindset.

Bounty hunters add no value almost to the forum. Very few hunters later turn into active in discussion but most of them even don't know what is happening in the forum. How can they play vital role in the forum? With their bounty reports?

And...do they learn in that instant how to get up, open the fridge, get a pizza and throw it in the microwave? No, they stick to crying.
Just as bounty hunters stick to posting the quota and then switch to the next account. Most of them don't even understand what project they are promoting, they don't understand how cryptocurrency works all they know is that they get some shiny coins in an exchange that can be sold for fiat. That's all. I've seen hundreds of bounty hunters that didn't give a f* word about this forum, necroposting, posting badly translated crap, making two lines that add nothing to the conversation and never, never bothering to look back.


It's not that, shitposters have left the forum because the ICO madness has died down, all the bounties right now are probably 99% scam and the rest of 1% pay cents.
Anyhow, let them enjoy the fate of the dodo bird.

 

yeah the key to educate people, newborn babies learn to cry when they get hungry. It is a natural response. Education does not talk about formal schooling. Learnings may be acquire formal or informal education.
 
 I am positive with bounty hunters because they may be doing shitpost for now but later on they will going to change. A transition perhaps from shitposting to quality or the best post that one can do. It may not be a quality but at least it can be read and it could be understand. I myself is an average poster. I learn from my mistakes from the shitposts I made.

So whenever we will be able to see a shitpost mind you one day it will be a good poster. It may take some time.but at least modz consider it. They did not even ban shitposter for they know there is still a chance for a change. The forum has a package of learnings to all from newbie to legend. Do not expect newbie - member in rank to make quality posts.

Our works should be recognize. Most of us are wearing signatures meaning we are bounty hunters. But we kept on blaming the shitposters which is bounty hunters too. Instead of making them realize of their mistakes we keep on reporting them asking mods to ban them. Why is that so?

A bounty hunter can be a barrier for someone to learn more about cryptocurrency. They may promote the wrong kind of scam or fraud with high self-confidence without being balanced with sufficient knowledge. Because of that loss, anyone who becomes a victim of scam from a bounty hunter's promotion can cause trauma and even don't want to know about cryptocurrency. On the other hand, if someone succeeds in learning cryptocurrency from this forum, it is definitely not a blessing from shitposter.

Not all shitposter is about bad English and by bounty hunters, but the average bounty hunter is a shitposter. Then, how can you enjoy their posts? However, I still appreciate you and may be a lesson and comparison between fans of shitpost and serious post for others.

I don’t know if you’re distinguishing between signature bearers and other tasks that are commonly more related to bounty hunting (Telegram, Twitter and other Social network related tasks mostly, although translations and such are part of that ecosystem).

The former, signatures, certainly have drawn attention to the forum, increasing it’s user base. They are also behind a fair share of spam, and thus, the forum introduced the Merit System, which mitigates the scope fairly well.
Signature campaigns quotas likely do introduce a lateral effect of artificial posting and redundant replies. 

The latter, bounties, are really more related to communicating (so as to say) the campaign to others using platforms outside Bitcointalk. As such, they are the cause of many newcomers, but the vast majority seem to stay performing bounties. The posts they make are generally bounty report related, and therefore do not aggregate any value to the forum’s legacy.

Bounty hunters will educate people? You must be kidding, right?

Majority of them can't even educate themselves, they don't really care what is going on in other parts of the forum and they usually stick to alt sections. Worst of all, they usually don't even care whether project they support is legit or not so i would say that they are doing the opposite from good, they are helping shitty projects to reach wider audience making people loose money.

We don't need more moderators, we need more active quality posters.

If I thought the problem was poor English skills, then I would revive my Fit to Talk English project, I backed away from it, as I didn't seem to be getting much support or interest for it.

Before applying for a task that requires you to post in English and you know that you're not good at it, your first goal should be to improve your English correct? Anyone will most likely post shit if he/she doesn't completely understand what the topic is all about (because english).

We can't blame this to bounty hunters as whatever we do in this forum, we are all equal as we are only a user subject to the forum rules.

There's lots of bounty hunters because there's a lot of opportunity to earn, hence, we can't really expect all users to follow the rules or not to spam as whether we like it or not, there are really people who are rules or law breakers.

What's lacking in the forum is more active moderators since we have a huge number of posters who are working for bounty hunting, however, if we all care for the forum, we can help the moderators to be more effective, and that is by reporting spam posts. I understand that adding more moderators would not be viable as it's more expense on the part of the forum, therefore, we just have to be responsible to help clean the forum so it will work always according to its best purpose.  

One issue that I am seeing in bounty hunters nowadays are social media posts and shitposts here in the forum.

Let’s start first with the social media stuff. I see so many participants who are joining Facebook and Twitter campaigns who are doing shitposts in their status. As a result, they didn’t have any reactions or engagements (likes, tweets or comments) in their posts at all. Meaning the traffic they provide is nothing but pure shit. I’ve seen some of my Facebook friends with bounty posts, but no engagements. Sorry for the word, but this is the reality.

This is why I hate joining social media bounties. I rather do quality videos and articles that would give value to the audience (not shit videos with just screen scrolling, bot voiceovers and boring content). 

Second, is the shitposts here in the forum. They just simply read the headline, but not the entire thread. All they do was just simply replying with one or two meaningless sentences and not engaging with any convos from other ones who replies on the thread.

I’m a bounty hunter myself, but I learn and grow to get more attention, traffic and engagements rather than posting shit over and over again.

I truly respect your opinion, but I don’t agree that you blame “all” bounty hunters though (I’m a hunter myself, and I’m very thankful that it saved me from financial disaster). Just blame “shitposters” instead, whether they join bounty programs or not.

Sort of something like a joke. But it is true base on experience since I could not be here if I am not told with my co-worker to try and join in this forum to earn. However, bounty hunting specifically promoting ICO projects is not really worth it for wasting time and resources. I may settle for campaign which pays btc and it is relatively good than receiving shit tokens.

Bounty hunters stay here might be a joke but honestly I admire the bounty hunting works in spreading awareness about cryptocurrency. Whether it is a good or bad publicity, it is still a publicity.

My point is that bounty hunters are somehow at great help promoting projects to which will the end up pairing this coins/tokens to bitcoin. So, bitcoin could not achieve this great without promoting those projects and remember there are thousands of altcoins now successfully launched. This is a help somehow that did not even get the recognition. Anyway this is my opinion and I am sticking to it that the forum without bounty hunter will be less likely not this active or dynamic.

Because of compliance bounty hunters will tend to post because they got paid. If there were no payment then only few will like to post here.

I will accept bad comment to users that are not wearing signatures to get paid. Remove signature for those who will not agree.

I don't blame the bounty managers in general onto their contribution to spam and shitpost in the forum but you will see that there are some that accepts bounty participants who just post whatever they want to say just to have payout in the campaign. These types of participants should be remove or at least warned by the managers as it bad for both the image of what they are promoting as well as what they are saying in the forum since they aren't really contributing anything to the forum. Just think about it the less shitposters being accepted in a campaign the more likely they will be inactive in the forum.

If people are only on this forum with the goal to rank up to participate in signature campaigns then there is a problem in the first place. They are probably not interested in cryptocurrency after all.


We don't ask people to have a doctorate of English.
Shitposting has nothing to do with the level of English. You can say shit with a perfect English, you still say shit.


Shitposting is cancer in the forum, if you have nothing constructive to add, better to shut up. I don't even talk about the users posting wrong information and misleading others.


There is nothing to learn from nonsense


That must be a joke. Right?

To get more quality answers, this post belong to the meta board.

This forum is not about joining campaign alone, there are other aspect which makes it active. Everybody are welcome, but the forum do not condone spamming and plagiarism. But, as for new members joining and asking questions and contributing, it is what we expect the forum to be like.

Bitcointalk is available for everyone. But, it is you that will choose which part to take.

One of the problems encounter before was the shitposting activities. There are many users complaining about this and high rank users had combat about it by encouraging all to report posts to which content has plagiarized.

Now that the rank and merit was introduce shitposting has been reduced and other users left the forum due to difficulties to rank up and getting merit to which bounty hunters will not get qualified to join. The merit system reduces the shitposting activity to its ideal numbers of shit posts per day. We cannot blame other users for doing shitposts because English is not their language to which others are doing the google translation as part of their initiative to make a post in this forum.

I think there is nothing to worry about now with the shitposting activity. In my opinion this users keep the forum active, dynamic and lots of interaction. If we keep them away then the forum will become exclusive to exisiting users that has business with the forum and likely to be peaceful. But I will not going to like it without those users shitposting for they were the reason I enjoy the stay of the forum reading nonsense post and learning from it. For now I consider shitposting as tolerable.

Bounty hunters had played a great role in this forum to continue getting influence of others from friends and relatives to join and get the opportunity to earn as well. not only the that because bounty hunters is the key to cryptocurrency adaptation in the future for influencing others like a ripple effect pass on from them to others. I consider bounty hunters as one of the vital part of the crytpocurrency system as it will be the key to educate people and to adapt the system to their everyday lives. We should be thankful by then and should not blame bounty hunters. However, copy and pasting should still be ban. There should be no room for that here in the forum.

I posted this to get some insights and try to answer the question does really bounty hunters play a big role in the forum?

Respect my opinion please.