Topic: All-Dice.com (JD on steroids) (Read 5173 times)

He sent me this PM. Making this public for other people/lender he might contact: I strongly advice against dealing with this individual.

That's not the point. Currently, you're not getting any traffic, you're not getting any investors, and since you haven't put up a bankroll no one is playing. The few negative reps you got are not unreasonable. You just have to read what they are saying and you should get it.

It makes perfect sense to just abandon the current project, consider it the cost of tuition or a cost of doing business.

You could try to make it work, but I just think that's a waste of time for you.

Hey, I'm trying to help you... Everyone who sees your profile and trust rating (which is everyone on this forum) is simply not going to play or invest in your site.

Abandon the project and open a new account because one negative rep that was given to me unreasonably and a couple of people that are upset? Sure sounds a bit drama queen like.

Based on the links on my signature alone, there's more than 10 BTC in food donations over the past year, 30 BTC on my lotto game, hundreds in private escrow transactions, and there's a local exchange (local to me) running for a few months now. I only have one rating on OTC and a few on localbitcoins.

No offense taken that you wouldn't trust me with your bankroll; but what I've done for the past few years should give you an idea. You could always click on this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=54791 to find out for yourself.

I think you're better off just creating your own dice site then. You take less effort, and no one will get upset. But I'm not sure how you can get your neg rep removed. You'll either have to live with it and learn a lesson along the way, or you create a new forum account.

Fixed some of the links I found. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone!

I would consider using Dooglus for escrow, since he seems to think that I'm a scammer and we all know Dooglus has remained dedicated to the community through some rough times. What builds a reputation isn't getting investments but repaying investments and Dooglus seems to have done well to repay his, plus I have no idea about your good standing with the community and wouldn't trust you with our bankroll.

JD and PD were put on the list because their owners were acting in a suspicious manner, yes they were wrongfully accused and ultimately turned out not being scams, most other casinos didn't. I am not sure how the casinos that scammed "just happened" to be on my list, I didn't list every single casino so my scam detecting skills must work to some extent.

Just to clear things up a bit, I was in good standing with the community until I posted this topic and only Dooglus has decided to neg rep me.

Overall I copied the fronted since I don't want to let JD die off, I want to keep the legacy going on and the site operating uninterrupted as if nothing happened. It would probably take far less effort on my part to build my own dice site than to attempt to mimic JD in every function yet I chose #2.

Links to statistics, graphs, links to threads (it links to JD's thread's).

Check all links, in each tab. Then change the colors and the design. Add a card game on the side, like blackjack or poker or even have multi-player dice. Get someone else to escrow investments. (Me perhaps; or anyone in the two escrow lists you can find by searching the forum.)

The reason you are getting a bad rep is precisely because you have already copied the look of JD. Change it. Apologize, they might remove the neg rep.

Better yet, start from scratch, and redo each tab with lots of text. Don't just copy it.

Your thread about scam casinos has not been properly reviewed. I for one, never read it until I saw the link. It seems those casinos that did scam and close are simply coincidentally on your list instead of having any criteria for being on that list.

And of course, that you once mentioned JD and PD on that list, obviously, you have attracted their respective owners to put a negative rep on you.

If I ever put up my own casino, and you say something bad about it, with no basis, then I will do the same. Fortunately for you, I don't have the money or the developer skills to do it on my own.

You are probably legit, but made the mistake of copying someone else's work. Since you already have the back end, just make an entirely new front end. It does not have to be pretty, it just has to look different. It can be functional. For example, I prefer a simple, classic, retro, one font text look, like from some very old console operating system. But you still better put some gui into it.

1. I don't follow?
2. I gave to the community previously and opened a thread reporting scamming casinos, I have revealed many scamming casinos and probably saved the players a small fortune. When that post was written I was with neutral rep before dooglus decided to give me negative rep without any legitimate reason.

Someone else's threads and addresses? Please give me said links. It's true that some statistics don't work, I will render them once there is something to show.

It's true, but that sentence gave me trouble.

Probably just "better off" would have worked.

First point: Who will take out the investment? You?
Second point: Does not seem to be true. Registered only 1 year ago is not long enough, and negative red trust is not "in good standing with the community".

Also, most of the site links to dead links, and the ones that do link to someone else's threads and addresses.


I thought you came from England, then moved to another English speaking country? hehe.


tmbp, you are better off making a complete redesign of the site and functions, and not just change some colors or words.

Dooglus shills please go.

You're either dishonest or you're unaware of how easy it is to transact anonymously and clean coins.

Why would someone invest with you when you don't understand how to calculate probabilities and make false claims? If someone quadruples their money by investing in a dice site, the max bet is set too high for the bankroll. There is very little variance over large sample sizes and you should be able to fairly accurately predict profit.

Regardless of your dishonesty, you don't sound competent enough for anyone to invest with you. (Not that anyone will.) The number one sign of that isn't false claims, newbieness/dishonesty, or whatever - it's the fact that you have dooglus publicly pissed off at you. Put someone reasonable at the helm of a project like this who takes inspiration from Just-Dice (rather than literally copying it word-for-word) and you can still make it virtually the same without this kind of backlash.

Your project has failed. Tough luck, buddy - it's not like you put any work into it anyway.

How do I act rudely or dishonestly? I assume the dishonesty part comes from my belief that scamming just isn't worth it so you are implying that I am being dishonest by claiming that?

If one steals 65k BTC the only option would be to cash out small amounts on the daily (and risk getting busted every time) so effectively you would never break middle class and risk going to prison, if you have the programming/PR skills to scam said sum to begin with you could easily break 8k USD per month working in Europe in an honest manner without looking over your shoulder every day.

I have no idea how much profit is there to be made from investing in it since I can't predict the future so it's pure speculation and personal opinions on my part, one thing is for certain - you will definitely derive a bigger profit from investing sooner than later. The impression that I got is that there are plenty of players waiting to bet thus the investment would be repaid fast.

How exactly are people going to quadruple .1 BTC within days by investing in your dice site? Seems high improbable.


1. Nobody is going to prison if they stay anonymous or listen to my #3 point.
2. Laundering a large amount of BTC is relatively easily. It's not like you have to cash out all 65,000 BTC in one week. Anyone with the knowledge to run a $30,000,000 scam should have the knowledge to do that.
3. Regardless of how you do it, say you got hacked. Worked for TF and he hasn't even been charged with anything, despite not being anonymous. It's also kind of worked for Mr. Frappuccino and he stole a lot more than 65K BTC.

I am not overly bothered by people copying other people's work. Your dice site looks fine - the problem is you. You act rudely and more importantly, dishonestly. I wouldn't invest a nickel with you.

Well I was supposing that someone will take the leap of faith and throw 0.1BTC into it, probably quadriple it within days, but since there is no such individuals I will invest my own BTC soon.

Apart from copying the design and all the text from JD, your site has a zero bankroll lol.
Are you supposing people will invest in your 0-bankroll 0-bet site?

That would be highly unlikely and people would suspect that something is fishy though, statistically the chance of one account winning a vast majority of the bankroll is small.

I could easily have made a "Mateo" account and "won" the vast majority of those coins. Then they wouldn't be stolen, I would just be "lucky".

I didn't - but I could have - and presumably it would have been easy to "cash-in" those coins. If I was the kind of person who thought coins had to be "cashed in" before they were valuable.

My point is that being dishonest unfortunately *does* pay.

That's not counting the near-impossibility of laundering and cashing in those 65,000BTC not to mention the years you'd spend in prison, ultimately rendering those 20,000BTC (or even 2,000BTC) a much better option.

I don't think that's true.

At its peak, Just-Dice had something like 65,000 BTC invested.

In the year it was running, gamblers lost around 20,000 BTC.

Even if I took 100% commission, I would have only made 20,000 BTC. But if I was a scammer and stole the bankroll at or near the peak I would have made more than three times as much. As it was, of course, commission was much lower than 100% and so I would have been even more better off (I can't remember how to write proper English) scamming than running an honest site.

And I guess that's why there have been so many scam dice sites out there. It takes a long time for honest returns to eclipse what you can make from short-term scams.

I find that the real world works much like Bitcoin in a sense that one could use his mining rigs to double spend and scam for BTC, but it gives little to no financial compensation in comparison to mining in an honest manner.

Same principle applies to scams, even the biggest Bitcoin scams have profited relatively little (and at a high legal price) to the perpetrators in comparison to what they could have made if they applied their skills at operating in an honest manner.

Mircea sums it up nicely.

Unless the owner has some collateral that he left with the community...

No I am not Wilco, please don't blame Wilco for something he hasn't done, would really be a shame.

So someone told me yesterday that you are Wilco, the Just-Dice mod.

I find that hard to believe. Is it true?

What I mean by that isn't that I might or might not run away with the investments but that instead of taking my word on it observe and let me build my reputation with time.

That's a strange thing to say.

"I don't mean to steal everyone's coins, but - well - let's wait and see. I mean I might, right? Who can say!"

Very reassuring.

thank god for that, otherwise you would see another BD and ED thread

wow, no one is playing @ that site at all & everyone is calling this a scam.

Now those are legitimate criticisms and concerns.

I will provide the bankroll out of my own pocket within a week, the casino does need a lot of polishing but the betting and investing functions have been fully tested. We have decided to disallow pre-rolls and fraction bets since we support multiple cryptocurrencies and it could become a huge burden on our server as-is.

If you are aware of any glitches or bugs please report them to me via PM, I will very much appreciate it.

I assure you that it's not in my intention to run away with the investments but only time will tell I guess

You don't even have a bankroll to start with. You just opened a site and expected people to invest in it, you should at least have investors or some coins before launching it. You poorly created the site with bugs and glitches which immediately tells people you are just here to create a simple casino and run away after getting investments. You should have allowed people to preroll or at least test out the site.I believe most of the site allows this while yours requires 0.0001 when there is no investment.

Using a design similar to a casino that existed previously but is no longer online is hardly "stealing" but that is irrelevant, the question is how is this a scam? (Which it clearly isn't).

don't start business with stealing others people design/name/work

How is it a dumb scam if we offer the same level of transparency and fair play for both investors and players as the original?

Wow, if you are going to try to scam, at least put some thought into it. At least dumb scams are easier to avoid, so thanks I guess?

You should change your title to JD on BAD steroids that make you die fast, what a waste of time even reading this thread. You should close it and think of another hobby as no one will ever play on your fake site

What makes you think that I act like a dick?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Copyright_notices_in_the_United_States :

"In 1989 the United States enacted the Berne Convention Implementation Act, amending the 1976 Copyright Act to conform to most of the provisions of the Berne Convention. As a result, the use of copyright notices has become optional to claim copyright, because the Berne Convention makes copyright automatic.[23] However, the lack of notice of copyright using these marks may have consequences in terms of reduced damages in an infringement lawsuit – using notices of this form may reduce the likelihood of a defense of "innocent infringement" being successful.[24]"

Also, I'm not against people running similar services at all; I'm against you, because you act like a dick, and I don't consent to you using my work.

In all countries where the Berne Convention standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office.

It's noted.

Would make some sense to copyright your content if you are against people starting similar services but I will change the design a little so it's more clear that we're not related to you.

I will be reasonable too:

You absolutely do not have permission to use my work. I do not want to be associated with people like you.

Can I make that any clearer for you?

I no longer update the list of ongoing scams, and [sarcasm]yes, I am the sockpuppet of casinobit, that's why I predicted his scam way before the actual scam.[/sarcasm]

No one bumped the thread and I let it die, if I would have updated casinobit to scam you would claim that I changed it up, here you have positive proof of me predicting a scam. Look through the thread, it's a scam graveyard, I predicted many scams successfully but your casino along with Strike Sapphire were exceptions that didn't turn out to be scams despite your seemingly suspicious behavior at the time.

Most of the work (which is the investment system, betting etc etc) has been done ground up, since I was never your employee I couldn't "copy" the whole website, only the design and the frontend which isn't even 10% of the work.

Overall I am willing to be reasonable and will add your donation address to FAQ, we can discuss profit sharing as well since AD is heavily inspired by JD.

I don't really think that protecting the community from scams is "stupid" even if you have been wrongfully accused of running one the responsible thing to do would be to get over your pride and acknowledge this fact.

My post is in my signature. Nuff' said.

/cringe

OP can't even be bothered to write an original debut post on top of all that.

Can only imagine their source code must be one big quilt stitched together from hotscripts.com snippets and Stack Overflow answers.

Aren't you the guy who included JD in his stupid "list of ongoing scams" thread?


Asshole.

Also, did you ever admit to being a sockpuppet of the guy who ran casinobit and stole hundreds of bitcoins from investors?

I see you still have it listed as "slight chance of being a scam" while Just-Dice (which already shut down and paid all funds back) is "moderate chance"! How long do you think this "REVIEW" will take?

Against steroids? But All-Dice is pumping all kinds of iron..

Ha!

Guys this is clearly a brilliant ad campaign about the horrible dangers of steroids.

We will credit Dooglus in FAQ and add his donation address back in.


It seems that I missed the address once in the FAQ, thanks for pointing it out, as you can clearly see we have our own verifiable cold storage

I always thought you wrote your own websites and Primedice, guess I was wrong. Also please keep your personal grudges against me off AD, yes I predicted that your casino might be a scam back at the day and coincidentally you show up and judge us most harshly.

Since we only have access to the front end everything in the back end had to be done from scratch and later on half of the front end had to be re-done from scratch to give us the proper hooks with the backend, the whole process was lengthy and it probably took longer to get us where it's at instead of starting a dice game with our own design, Dooglus should be flattered honestly.

The whole point of re-using the design is because we are all already very familiar with it and it's incredibly easy to navigate, plus we can relive the days as if JD didn't shut down.

1% isn't massive for players bro. IRL casinos have 5% to 7% to an even larger edge.

Nice cold wallet. Now use a sing to prove the funds.

Let me rephrase that.

Massive 1% house edge for players

Low 1% house edge for investors.

That's feedback he sent to someone else, but I agree this is very suspect and should be avoided. If it's true about the hotwallet being JD then this is an obvious scam attempt.

http://i.imgur.com/I1hkpJV.png

No thanks.

This is very sketchy and I don't trust it at all, so I left you negative feedback as a warning for others. I will remove it when and if you proof to be a honest and trustworthy person.

I understand that you really loved justdice, we all did i think. It was a pity when it shut down. I also acknowledge the fact that you were very loyal to the dice site. But, if you really wanted to make a dice site in memoir of the shut down justdice, you didn't have to copy it blindly Now it's just another simple dice site.

Reading this made me chuckle. If you're in it for the long hall like you say, then at least have the decency to have a different design for the website than JD.

You don't have to copy other casino's design. This does nothing but make you look unprofessional. Casinos differ from one another to show that they have put in effort in the coding and design of the casino. Copying other casinos directly means you didn't put effort into thinking how your casino can attract more people than other casinos. Also, within minutes of entering your site, I already found a lot of bugs, no UID, FAQ box at wrong place, your hyperlink directs to JD cold storage, definitely a copy and paste without detailed documentation. To me, I believe this is a copy and paste rather than inspired.

This is not inspired. %100 copy.

This is just a weak attempt to profit off someone else's hard work.


You were too lazy to even write your own post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/just-dicecom-now-with-added-clams-play-or-invest-238613

versus:


Your proof of reserves is also a JD cold wallet: https://blockchain.info/address/19Zmw5kMbkTjA7qRUdUEiwLqgRaMRRLDkh . Did you honestly spend more than 15 mins from start to finish on this?

This is just wrong! Everything copied to the last detail

Because I am (was) a huge fan of JD and the description is perfect and easy to understand, why would I rewrite it in my own words for the sake of rewriting it in my own words?

Why did you copy the design word for word pretty much?

All-Dice.com

Since Just-Dice has been shut down and there is no clear date when it will be back up I took it upon myself to start a Just-Dice inspired casino in hopes of becoming the next most liquid and trusted investment vehicle in the Bitcoin community.

For those of you that aren't aware of JD we offer the same features albeit improved when possible:

* low 1% house edge
* near-instant rolls
* off-the blockchain, so no blockchain spam
* win up to 1 million times your bet
* pick your own odds of winning
* lively on-site chat room
* provably fair (of course)
* roll "high" or "low"
* keyboard shortcuts for quicker, easier play
* Gamble with Bitcoin, Litecoin, Darkcoin, Dogecoin and Peercoin

For investors, here's the feature list:

* massive 1% house edge
* investing is easy and instant; click the 'invest' tab for details
* take your investment out instantly too
* site operator (that's me) is a long-standing forum member in good standing with the community
* invest as little as 0.001 BTC; no upper limit
* net profit is split between the house and the investors as follows: house gets 10%, investors get 90%.

I am aware that building up a reputation of being an honest and reputable member will take a lot of time and I don't encourage people to invest any more than what they are willing to trust me with. I still have plenty to give to the community and to establish myself as a respected member.

I am also aware that All-Dice might not perform in an identical manner to JD in some regards, for example the bets only appear in red-green for now, some settings may be bugged but the investment system and betting is bug free and fully functional. The site is still in beta so please report any bugs to me so I may address them.