Topic: ALL EYES ON SWEDEN (Read 723 times)

One March 17 FHM directive to Stockholm hospitals stated any patients over 80 or with a body mass index above 40 should not be admitted to intensive care, because they were less likely to recover. Other reports describe sick care home residents being administered a palliative cocktail of morphine and midazolam, because the homes were not equipped to administer oxygen, something some doctors have described as ‘active euthanasia.’

Despite Sweden mirroring other countries on the continent with rising coronavirus infections, the government has held firm in refusing to lockdown its population, weighing the untold misery and health impacts of isolation against the threat of COVID-19.

"The elderly, they said, have suffered enough," writes Fraser Nelson.

"They have spent months being advised to avoid public transport, shopping malls and other parts of everyday life. And the result? Loneliness. Misery. This is more than unpleasant: it quickly translates into depression, mental health issues and mortality.

"We cannot only think about infection control," said Lena Hallengren, Sweden's health minister, "we also need to think about public health."

An important distinction: "focus on Covid to the exclusion of other conditions and you risk lives."

Hallengren's 21 page report also uncovered a "decline in mental health" that was "likely to worsen the longer the recommendations remain in place," leading officials to lift lockdown restrictions that previously applied to over-70s.

After deciding to take a "herd immunity" approach to COVID-19 at the start of the pandemic, Sweden was roundly condemned for not following the harsh lockdowns imposed by virtually every other major European country.

Despite this overwhelming scientific evidence of the Swedish approach as the most effective combined dual health and economic-based approach in the entire world, I was amazed at the volume of Western media lies and propaganda about Sweden’s approach being a horrific failure. Western media in the US and the UK were all too eager to oblige in spreading complete lies and fabricated garbage by painting Sweden’s massive success as a complete failure by printing headlines that blared, “Sweden has nearly 10 times the number of COVID-19-related deaths than its Nordic neighbors”,  “Sweden’s coronavirus death rate is nearly 6 times that of neighboring Norway and Finland”, “A Very Swedish Sort of Failure”,  and “Sweden’s Coronavirus Experiment Has Well and Truly Failed.” And just in case you’re not the type to watch the nightly news, the Western media flooded the internet with the same false narrative to ensure that everyone that heard about these stories and consequently searched for additional stories about Sweden’s no lockdown policy would receive plenty of confirmation about these false narratives. The mission of these fake, non-science and non-mathematical based stories was to ensure that the maximum amount of people around the world remain completely unthinking, obedient slaves to State mandated, martial-law style lockdowns and stay-at-home orders, in which the consequent social isolation from others would not only produce devastating  financial and  psychological effects but also have the added bonus, for the ruling class, of producing a mental state among the global population extremely receptive to hate and fear.  Yesterday, I conducted a search on the Google Search engine for “the failure of Sweden’s coronavirus response”, and Google, as an apparatus of the parasitic ruling class, returned 52M results for this topic.

And though a search for “the success of Swedens’ coronavirus response” returned 63.9M results, and one may see the results and perhaps think that for the first time in history, the Google search engine did not have an agenda in its search results, a quick glance at the titles of the articles on the entire first page quickly dispel such faith. The first articles for this search were titled, “Has Sweden’s Controversial Covid19 Strategy Been Successful?”, “Dramatic Drop in Deaths Doesn’t Mean Plan Worked”, “Misinformation and De-Contextualization”, “Sweden’s Prime Minister Rejects Criticism”, and “A Warning from Sweden’s Coronavirus Response”. Although a few of these articles appear that they may focus on the positive aspects of Sweden’s response, they did not. Every single article focused on the slightly negative outcomes of their response, and completely ignored their much more heavily positive outcomes, whereby the results of this “positive” search were nearly indistinguishable from the results of the “negative” search about Sweden’s covid19 response.

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But often individuals' desire for a rapid return to normal is butting up against continuing social distance requirements still in place in most states, even those already opening up their economies.

A viral video showed one such recent tense encounter in Texas, when a park ranger attempted to break-up a large group of young partiers at a large city park and nature area. It happened at the Commons Ford Metropolitan Park in Austin, Texas. A group on Lake Austin was reportedly unlawfully drinking and smoking on the grounds when a ranger approached and ordered them to "disperse" also due to people apparently not standing six feet apart.

That's when things got physical, resulting in the officer being pushed or thrown into the water, according to widely circulating footage:

your own words used against you
because reality is the rna sequence is the sequence
but what your failing to do is try to talk about the process

but i already debunked your scripts about the process. because science proven that the process has been done right

science has proven the process
they sampled covid. they then took samples and put them into other organism(rats/ferrets) and they got sick.
showing that it causes illness
then then tested the rats/ferrets and seen the pathogen sequence was the same in humans as in animals they tested.
i explained this already you ignorant idiot.

move onto to a different script you have been debunked.
the RNA sequence(results of the tests) has been proven and vaildated by other peers
the process sequence(testing, comparing, infecting other organism, comparing) has been proven

so move on to a new script because this current one your trying to push has been debunked.

The sequence isn't a sequence of linked DNA/RNA. The sequence is the process

1. your trying to swap the words 2000 sequences to be 2000 cases. and then use YOUR word cases to say there are no cases
.. reality is that there are 2000 RNA sequences on that link
.. next you try to say the qord sequence is about the method of testing. no the sequences are order of the rna. like the sequence of an alphabet is abcde.. the sequence of covids rna has a certain order

so again you have failed to even understand that.

2. as for if its done right. again its not a sequence that was done by one lab. or one patient or one doctor or one country. but a whole lot of different patients, doctors, labs ad countries. which if you understood how bitcoins decentralised verification works. by having multiple sources it becomes very easy to work out which versions are faulty and which ones have done a valid process

which just goes to show, your now revealing you dont even understand how bitcoin works. which must really suck for you, being on this forum for years but cant even grap bitcoins basic peer vaildation method

Actually, it would be nice if you were clear about the things you talk about.

Let me point out an important point to you. Neither of us linked 2000 cases. Rather, we said some words that included the number "2000," and the word "cases."

Nobody links to cases except the doctors on the scene of those cases. The rest of us only link to words.

The thing we are looking for is the proof that those cases are real, and that they were done right. Without the form of sequencing listed that was used, nobody knows anything about the cases. This means that nobody even knows that Covid exists except in some lab in Wuhan.


I don't have a need to understand Koch's Postulates. Why? They aren't important... to me or anybody. They are extremely outdated. They were outdated in 1937 when Rivers updated them.

i talked about them i linked them. then just a few posts above you linked it too.. that whole subdirectory of /sars-cov-2-seqs/ was entirely about the ~2000 sequences that are covid.
meaning the topic has been talked about. meaning your now showing your hand trying to hide its relevance because it plays against or ignorant narrative.
it seems today you are flip flopping back to old narratives that the virus is not real again..
very sad. very boring, very obvious

well its now obvious even by your admission you dont even understand koch postulum. so that also shows you have no clue. yet you keep mentioning it.
kochs postulum itself proves the science is right. your interpretation is irrelevant because you dont have one. your just a drone/a sheep that just reads scripts and doesnt even think about what you write. you dont have any independant thought or ability to do independant research. that much is obvious

and you are not important. i know your getting very annoyed that i keep calling out your stupidity. but thats not because your important.
its because other people are important and THEY need to know the important info and they need to know how much of a idiot you are on thee whole covid topics. they need to see how fake your myths and scripts are

but it is always funny to see you backtrack. now that you know that the postulums dont work in your favour your try to pretend they are meaningless because they are 80-120 years old. .. but remember.. it was you that first mentioned them as relevant.

just admit it. it doesnt prove your point because actual science has fulfilled all 4 points of kochs postulum.
but knowing you, you will keep being ignorant, as always. flip flopping and changing scripts then returning to old scripts. never learning anything new or accepting reality

Continual mixing up of facts with what is irrelevant about the facts, is part of the franky1 scheme to keep people thinking that there is a pandemic. Look at how the scheme works, below.

Since you didn't talk about the sequencing of any of the 2000, the whole thing doesn't matter. Nobody knows what they did with their submissions to come to their conclusions. If there really are 2000 different submissions, they all might have skipped all 6 points of Rivers' updating of Koch's Postulates.

First, thank you for thinking that BADecker is important enough to have an interpretation of Koch's Postulates that needs debunking.

by the very fact that there are 2000 different submissions using different patients swabs in different hospitals in different countries all showing the same pattern show that the patients around the world had the same thing.

badecker is using an excuse of one bad garage to falsely assume all mechanics cant fix a car.
sorry badecker but when all mechanics around the world are fixing cars and they all come to the same result. its not the mechanic you need to blame

you do know how decentralised/independant verification works right. and peer review..
i mean you are on a bitcoin forum so you have to atleast grasp the concepts that its not just one entity doing tests right. but lots of peers doing indepentant tests and collating the data to come to a consensus.
you do grasp that concept, right?

just wakeup.
its fun debunking you. but its getting boring now because your still stuck with outdated scripts.

..
screw it lets debunk badeckers interpretation of kocks postulum
1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
(healthy orgamisms=not yet infected.. which tests have proven)

2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
(yep they done that too and tests have proved it(PCR method))

3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
(yep they done tests on rats and other animals and they got sick)

4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.
(yep they compared the sequence in human patients to the infected rats)

badecker gets confused about the 'found in infected but not found in healthy people'. the part he gets confused and flipflops about is thinking healthy people = recovered,. no 'innoculated=recovered, healthy = not yet infected

This post^^, alone, shows how off-base franly1 is. franky1 hasn't even figured out that it isn't a particular sequencing that counts, but rather, it is the proper sequence and how well the steps in the sequence are adhered to.

but it is. because the people with BAD SYMPTOMS get swabbed and its found to be the sequence that has been discovered since december 2019.
not previous years sequences

previous years sequences also have linked cases of known symptoms.. and this years dont match previous years

it was precisely the fact that this years patients were not respondin to certain meds, and where their symptoms were more severe than different years is the whole point of them then realising its something new and sampling it.
this is all old news from december. and it appears badecker really cant grasp that its now MAY

heck. even chinas 'patient zero' went to a clinic on december10th and was given standard meds that help with previous varients. bu when he turned up in hospital december 18th feeling worse. where they obviously didnt work. they started to realise something was new about it.
they sampled his fluids done many tests. and when other people started turning up after that they realised it was not a small case. but a epidemic.
then when people in other countries had the same symptomology and when many tests done it showed the same seqence that has not been seen before december 2019. they knew it was a new pandemic of a new virus which they called the illness covid19


badecker. please just hurry up and catch up to reality. your not doing yourself any favours hanging around outdated myths from 3+ months ago

PEOPLE. Be sure to read what tvbcof says above ^^^. In the sequencing studies franky1 talks about, there are sub-directories/sub-listings pointing to different viruses. Just because Covid-19 is listed, doesn't mean Covid-19 is the bad one.

The culture of trust and obedience is in the United States. Why? Because franky1 showed us the CDC websites - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN997409 - which are supposed to show virus sequencing that proves that people are being made sick by Covid-19.

But here is what you will find if you look at the testing. The testing shows that all kinds of viruses are shown besides Covid-19. Further, the tests show that nobody knows if it really IS Covid-19, or if it is something like SARS or MERS, both of which have been conquered years ago. IN OTHER WORDS, the test have shown that there is no conclusive proof for what is causing the people to be sick.

You have the links, above. So, check them out, and see if you can find even one test that proves Covid-19 rather than showing a whole family of Coronaviruses. I would like to see it.

The point is, people in the USA and around the world are trusting their doctors, who are trusting other doctors, who are trusting a few people in the WHO, who are being controlled by Communist China, who is lying to us all. It just happens that Sweden has an honest doctor at its head... a doctor who saw early on that the statistics coming out of the WHO don't add up.

what badecker has not comprehended is that the subdirectory /sars-cov-2-seq/ are the ones submitted that are JUST covid19

other sub directories have other sequences for previous viruses
and if you compare sequences from DIFFERENT subcategories you learn that the ones in /sars-cov-2/ are new and only discovered in december 2019
meaning covid19

also those sequences in /sars-cov-2-seq/ are from samples from patients suffering from certain list of symptoms that are not the same as previous viruses.
again proof

its common sense stuff (well for those that are not badecker)
which is more proof that sweden would not be at a ~1.2 r0 if they had more idiots like badecker in their population

The culture of trust and obedience is in the United States. Why? Because franky1 showed us the CDC websites - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN997409 - which are supposed to show virus sequencing that proves that people are being made sick by Covid-19.

But here is what you will find if you look at the testing. The testing shows that all kinds of viruses are shown besides Covid-19. Further, the tests show that nobody knows if it really IS Covid-19, or if it is something like SARS or MERS, both of which have been conquered years ago. IN OTHER WORDS, the test have shown that there is no conclusive proof for what is causing the people to be sick.

You have the links, above. So, check them out, and see if you can find even one test that proves Covid-19 rather than showing a whole family of Coronaviruses. I would like to see it.

There is only one thing real about this, it's just that people in Sweden are way more disciplined that any other nationalities. As one article shows, it's just a culture of trust and obedience.

idiot.

but i like the way your subtly now backing out from suggesting you believe that its a hoax by saying you are only posting what others say and no one has asked your personal beliefs..

sorry but that excuse wont work later when reality finally hits you and you try to backtrack
you made too many posts advocating that its a hoax.

so you cant escape it now.
so how about wake up wise up man up admit you have been an idiot. and start doing proper research

and that debunks your other topic claim..
the things like hospices. most countries and states dont include the hospice deaths. pensylvania temporarily did then retracted it . and instead sticking to only included covid19 positive tests.

thus debunking your whole premise that no one in stats is tested.

this is getting funny that you end up using a second claim that debunks the first claim.
maybe try to catch up on which script your reading and pasting so you dont trip up on yourself as much

2.5% tested positive
so the mortality rate is 0.x% but thats just while only 2.5% of people have got covid.
this means the number of deaths will rise with the more people that get it. to the tune of 40x
so that turns a 0.x% mortality into a x.x% mortality

The PA health department decided to include "probable" coronavirus deaths, or an assumed COVID-19-related death without testing for the virus, to their death tolls, dating back days and even weeks ago. But the death toll spike raised questions from coroners who came forward to highlight a discrepancy in death totals, which were not adding up to the number of all-cause deaths.

The scrutiny triggered multiple revisions and statements from the department, including the removal of 200 "probable" COVID-19 deaths and a claim of computer "glitching."

"Pennsylvania started to include 'probable deaths' in its fatalities. As a result, the total number of coronavirus deaths grew by 276, then 360, in successive nights, almost doubling the number of deaths in the state in two days," a Fox News report explained.

randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

What we see in Sweden is a highly dangerous experiment. No one can know at this point what the outcome will be. We might see less deaths, but we might also see a huge raise in a second wave this fall. So don't judge to early guys.

They had no symptoms or so little they did not even know they had it. Some 1,500 died, mortality 0.25%. In tough competition, the seasonal flu is still leading. 0.25% is share of those infected, the mortality to the whole population would be 0.015%, which would make the seasonal flu win hands down.

Hope when Putin hears about this today he orders Mayor Sobyanin to tear down his cybergulag, as fun as he might have in experimenting in hype technology and people's lives.

Today, the Public Health Authority presented a new study that estimates that one third of everyone in Stockholm County will be infected with sars-cov-2 on May 1st this year. There will be about 600,000 people.

Many unconfirmed cases

The study is a mathematical modeling of the spread of the virus in Stockholm County. It is based partly on the so-called Stockholm study that was conducted a few weeks ago when randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

There were endless pints of Guinness and London Pride bitter, while rules about not standing at the bar and ensuring a 5ft distance between tables were scrupulously observed.

Unsurprisingly, Covid-19 monopolised conversation, but it was a convivial evening nonetheless. Wobbling slightly, an elderly customer sauntered off at closing time with a tune on his lips.

Those minded to dial a shop- a-neighbour hotline should rest easy, for this Tudor Arms is not in the UK, but is a British-themed pub in Stockholm. In Sweden, the rules are different. It refuses to join the rest of the world in harsh quarantine.

Children are still in school, bars and restaurants are open, as are garden centres and shops; crowds of up to 50 are allowed, and no one is chastised for sunbathing, sitting on park benches or daring to flee to countryside boltholes.

It is a strategy aimed at allowing some exposure to the disease to build immunity among the general population, while protecting the vulnerable and ensuring hospitals are not overwhelmed.

badecker i already debunked your conspiracy about the ICD-10 death certificates. you are so ignorant.

I had always considered Sweden to be an unfree country because of their socialism. But now I see that they are a smart country because they recognized that Coronavirus is simply a common flu type of disease. So they didn't go to all kinds of extremes like most other countries.

The problem with their numbers of cases and deaths from Covid-19 is, their doctors still recognize the world medical community. This means that their doctors are reporting a whole lot of CV deaths that aren't really CV deaths, just like the rest of the world. How do we know? Because they have admitted, worldwide, their tests are inaccurate. And they have admitted, worldwide, that their medical heads have told the doctors to report Covid-19 no matter what the disease is.

I can see that they are more disciplined people than the rest of the world. I have a relative living in Sweden and they are safe and sound. I hope all the countries are like this or we need to chip humanity just to contain another pandemic.

Sweden has always been one of the top countries to live in. Even in this pandemic, Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic. I think the government has done a great job and its people are really disciplined I can say that.

I can see that they are more disciplined people than the rest of the world. I have a relative living in Sweden and they are safe and sound. I hope all the countries are like this or we need to chip humanity just to contain another pandemic.

and meanwhile
at 43minutes into the video. bigtree does bad maths
even at bigtree's 50x factor
firstly 43million of GUESSED infected(untested) is only 13% population

so 48k deaths of 13% =369k deaths of 100%
also you need to factor in that if isolation didnt slow it down to 13% currently
if more and more people got it. hospitals would be over run. meaning even more deaths because people are unable to get a hospital bed to get air and treatment. so the numbers would be higher than 369k

..
big tree is trying to use the effectiveness of self isolation. as the reason why its not bad. but saying it was never going to be bad.
he has no clue about maths

and he will be eating his own words when ACTUAL studies show that its not a 50x factor. but a lower factor meaning less people have it asymptomatically than he projects. meaning more people yet to get it. meaning more people yet to get sick and potentially die

learn the whole point of the self isolation
its not some magic pil of assymptomatic magic. its slowing/preventing the spread because loads of people were getting sick

its kind of funny how even if bigtree multiplies numbers by 50. its still leaves alot of dead people

Hot mic at the White House!; Sweden’s gamble pays off; Scientists, Doctors, Journalists, and Politicians agree on the Lockdown Calamity.

EDIT: Thanks, tvbcof.

It's kinda weird how are they okay even when the most disciplined country like Japan has sky rocketed in amounts getting infected. Im just skeptical because we have seen even rich countries like Korea and Singapore with less population and people properly following quarantine protocols but they got infected despite all that safety precautions.

It's kinda weird how are they okay even when the most disciplined country like Japan has sky rocketed in amounts getting infected. Im just skeptical because we have seen even rich countries like Korea and Singapore with less population and people properly following quarantine protocols but they got infected despite all that safety precautions.

Russians have flat out good saying just for this occasion - "don't piss against wind". So far social distancing combined with masks is the nicest way to prevent the disease from spreading. Ignoring that, Swedes are at risk of becoming infected literally with the speed of wind. Don’t they know what’s going on in NY?

Don’t they know what’s going on in NY?

The first one. They are valuing economic health above physical health. Doesn't fit my definition of reasonable.

Anger in Sweden as elderly pay the price for Coronavirus strategy

Engaging in outdoor exercise activities, such as walking, hiking, running, biking or golfing, but only if appropriate physical distancing practices are used.

SAN MARTIN, ARGENTINA – “What have we learned from this Coronavirus shutdown?” asked a recent acquaintance, rhetorically.

Then came the answer: “The importance of a good wine cellar and a bidet.”



We met our new friends clandestinely, at the only hotel in the area. They are French, a psychiatrist and her neurologist husband.

They arrived just as the country was shutting down and locking up. They were at the hotel when the stay-at-home order came down five weeks ago. They are still there.

“The whole thing is unbelievable,” explained the shrink. “We were here on a visit. And then we couldn’t leave.

“At first, we were quarantined in our room for 14 days. We weren’t allowed to leave the room. Then, the hotel closed. Everybody left. The manager, the maids, everybody.

“But we had nowhere to go, all the flights had been cancelled. So they just left us in the hotel. Fortunately, they left us the keys to the wine cellar and the kitchen.

“As for the bidet, we realized how important that was when we ran out of toilet paper.”

We visited for a few minutes. Like plague survivors, we huddled alone in the hotel’s courtyard… fearful of being discovered by zombies.

“Fortunately, or unfortunately, we have the internet,” the doctor continued. “I follow the news. I don’t know what is going on. It’s as if most of the world has gone crazy. Mon Dieu. It’s just a virus. It’s not The Plague.

“There are about a million people in this province, that is in a space about the size of Texas. But there are only three cases of the virus… all of them people who had just come from Spain. And none of them very serious.

“And yet, they stop you from going to work… or even from going to restaurants or driving down the road to visit friends.

“It’s crazy. A lot of these people are poor. They need to work to eat. And nobody’s life is going to be saved by these restrictions. Because there’s no virus here. It’s crazy.

“But we’re okay. I’m used to working long hours in a hospital. Here, at least, I’m enjoying a rest.

“And my wife’s been able to keep working. She gets together with her crazy patients via video conferencing… And her business is doing well.

“Her patients are trapped in their houses and apartments… They’re getting crazier and crazier.”

We could not visit for long. We arrived by a side entrance… and left the same way.

But “crazier and crazier” seemed to sum up so much of what is going on today…



As time goes by, it becomes clearer and clearer that the C-virus is just a virus. It kills old people. For young people, it is much less of a threat than suicide or auto accidents.

And yet, their world – their economy, their jobs, their social lives… all have been up-ended.

Of course, not everybody minds. Some people feel a certain jubilation in the fight against the virus, as if they were in a real war. It gives their lives fake meaning.

Gone are the real worries – about their jobs… about earning money… about getting along with sisters-in-law… settling their bar tabs… or moving their son out of the basement.

All their real cares and concerns suddenly disappear in a cloud of Great National Purpose.

Now, they spend their hours getting mad at politicians for clamping down… or easing up. Or, they argue about “flattening the curve” or “herd immunity.”

Is Mr. Trump doing a great job, as he says he is? Or is he the clueless clown that the liberal media describes?

There’s even a word for it: lachesism. It is based on the French word lâcher which, as a verb, means to “give up” or “let go.” As a noun, it means “coward” or “shirker.”

Now, with the virus all around us, many people have an excuse to lâcher and focus on something else entirely… something they have no control over.

Meanwhile, things get crazier and crazier…



The U.S. budget deficit, for example, is already headed to $4 trillion this year. And yet, here comes another budget-buster to “top up” the aid package. Roll Call:

    Congressional leaders and the White House have an agreement in principle on a nearly $500 billion coronavirus relief package and are now working through the final details, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday night.

And here’s the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget on the Fed:

    On net, we estimate these measures total $1.7 trillion in economic support so far – including $1.2 trillion from expanding its holdings of Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities. The total measures the Federal Reserve has announced it will allow itself to undertake could total as much as $9.2 trillion, or potentially more, if continued at current purchase limits through May 31. Federal Reserve actions have no direct impact on the federal budget deficit.

And just to make sure nobody gets in the way of their spending lollapalooza, the swamp denizens are out to eliminate the only member of Congress who stood in their way. The New York Times:

    House Republicans Take Aim at Thomas Massie After Stimulus Vote 

Mr. Massie dared to make the totally un-crazy suggestion that if the people’s representatives were going to spend the equivalent of 10% of GDP… money the Fed doesn’t have, by the way… at least they should go on record, yea or nay.

Gotta get rid of him immediately, say Republican fixers. The last thing you want in a nuthouse is a sane person. He makes the inmates feel… well… crazy.

Stay tuned…

I can see that they are more disciplined people than the rest of the world. I have a relative living in Sweden and they are safe and sound. I hope all the countries are like this or we need to chip humanity just to contain another pandemic.

The first one. They are valuing economic health above physical health. Doesn't fit my definition of reasonable.

Anger in Sweden as elderly pay the price for Coronavirus strategy

The values below comparing Sweden to its Nordic neighbours are a week old, but still illustrate the point:

_{https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0414/1130498-sweden-approach-coronavirus/}

... so Swedish death rate (per head of population) is roughly 2x Denmark's, 4x Norway's and 8x Finland's.

As of today [14 Apr], over 1,000 Swedes have died from Covid-19, an increase of 114 deaths on the previous day's figure and around 11,440 have been infected, out of a population of 10 million.

Denmark (population 5.6 million) has seen 300 deaths and 6,500 cases,
Norway (5.3 million) has seen a death toll of 140 with 6,600 cases,
Finland (5.5 million) has been relatively unscathed with 64 deaths and just 3,000 cases.